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2022-01-08 10:52:12 AM  
It's not the SEC, it's their gigantic big brothers NCAA & CBS who understand you are curious but also notice you have a beautiful family and what a shame it would be if said family was accidentally welded into old oil drums and thrown into the gulf just off Mobile.
 
2022-01-08 11:53:09 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's not the SEC, it's their gigantic big brothers NCAA & CBS ESPN who understand you are curious but also notice you have a beautiful family and what a shame it would be if said family was accidentally welded into old oil drums and thrown into the gulf just off Mobile.


FTFY. SEC leaves CBS in the next year or two and ESPN runs the SEC Network.
 
2022-01-08 11:55:50 AM  
(Shrugs) Okay, how do you balance it out? Is the SEC magical or just a region of the country where the schools pour more money and calories into football programs compared to the rest of the US and naturally they're able draw the best talent? Seems when a program has overwhelming success (re: Alabama) that they get the most airtime, the most chatter and almost every five-star recruit looks to them first and that inertia is hard to stop.
 
2022-01-08 12:02:36 PM  
Just marry it.
 
2022-01-08 12:11:09 PM  

Wadded Beef: Okay, how do you balance it out?


I think they plan to merge all the teams into the SEC.
 
2022-01-08 12:30:21 PM  
In much of the South, it appears as if college football is the only reason higher education is still tolerated in the first place.
 
2022-01-08 12:31:24 PM  
Just like everything else in American capitalism, once the money gets control of the situation, the rest loses and there's no way to get rid of the money.
 
2022-01-08 12:38:13 PM  

Wadded Beef: (Shrugs) Okay, how do you balance it out? Is the SEC magical or just a region of the country where the schools pour more money and calories into football programs compared to the rest of the US and naturally they're able draw the best talent? Seems when a program has overwhelming success (re: Alabama) that they get the most airtime, the most chatter and almost every five-star recruit looks to them first and that inertia is hard to stop.


If you want more parity in college football, the only way to really do that is lower the number of scholarships.  The NCAA did that in the early 90s from 100 to 85.  If you cut that number to 70-75, you can still have three-deep at every position, but the Alabamas and Ohio States can't stockpile talent.

If you just want to level the playing field and have more national champions, make the winner of the playoff lose 10 scholarships for five years.

/the problem with all of this is, it means fewer kids get full rides, and in theory this is supposed to be about the students
 
2022-01-08 12:48:32 PM  
NIL and the transfer portal definitely have the possibility of upsetting the status quo. Players being able to leave major programs where they don't wind up seeing the field and a booster base willing to spend can get you competitive in a hurry. The problem is it works both ways - see Jahmyr Gibbs - hanging on to exceptional talent if your team isn't highly competitive is just as tough. Ultimately, the winner is the players in at least the short term. They are finally getting some real compensation and control over their choice of employer.
 
2022-01-08 12:53:44 PM  
Just keep having losing records in bowl games to other conferences.
 
2022-01-08 1:03:13 PM  

UNC_Samurai: /the problem with all of this is, it means fewer kids get full rides, and in theory this is supposed to be about the students


Yeah, 'students'
 
2022-01-08 1:09:38 PM  
It's a win more situation. If you're a great high school football player, why wouldn't you want to go to Bama?
 
2022-01-08 1:14:31 PM  
An 8 team playoff with only conference champions allowed in. It would mean some shifting of schools to new conferences but that has already happened and can happen again.
 
2022-01-08 1:18:43 PM  

freddyV: Just keep having losing records in bowl games to other conferences.


Nobody cares about any of the bowls anymore besides the CFP. They are strictly participation trophies and TV content filler. Losing every single Alamo/Birmingham/Meineke Car Care "bowls" has zero impact. Having at least one representative in 13 of 15 BCS/CFP era finals, and winning 11 (12 on Monday regardless)is what drives the recruiting and money bus here.
 
2022-01-08 1:29:33 PM  

Dafatone: It's a win more situation. If you're a great high school football player, why wouldn't you want to go to Bama?


Because every other great high school player is doing the same so there's a decent chance you never see the field in four years, or you ride the pine for three and only get one chance to impress.

It's a bonanza of riches for Saban, he gets to pick from the best of the best, but some really good players will lose out, and for some of them this is their way out of some truly dire situations.
 
2022-01-08 1:45:21 PM  

Paul Baumer: freddyV: Just keep having losing records in bowl games to other conferences.

Nobody cares about any of the bowls anymore besides the CFP. They are strictly participation trophies and TV content filler. Losing every single Alamo/Birmingham/Meineke Car Care "bowls" has zero impact. Having at least one representative in 13 of 15 BCS/CFP era finals, and winning 11 (12 on Monday regardless)is what drives the recruiting and money bus here.


Is that why the semi final game tv viewership was down and other bowls are higher?
 
2022-01-08 2:13:31 PM  
Eventually most college football fans come to the painful realisation that their favorite conference sucks out loud in comparison to the SEC. That is not too surprising really. The part that is surprising is that almost none of the people who discover this jump up and say "By God my conference needs to get off its ass and get better NOW!!. Then we will show those SEC bastards how football is played by righteous motherfarkers like us!"

Instead, almost to a man, they say something more like "By God that inbred stupid lucky deep south SEC needs to  be dismantled or something. And soon. Their schools all suck and there is a goddam conspiracy with that NCAA to keep them in the playoffs and us out! Anybocy with eyes could see it! ITS A CONSPIRACY AND UNFAIR AND ALL THEM $OUTHERNERS ARE GREEDY RACISTS!"
 
2022-01-08 2:23:40 PM  
The players.

By using their NIL and the transfer window, they should all start transferring to American Athletic Conference schools and dominate...

/Cincinnati need not be a one-time deal...and next year, they win it all, baby!
 
2022-01-08 2:24:26 PM  

McGrits: An 8 team playoff with only conference champions allowed in. It would mean some shifting of schools to new conferences but that has already happened and can happen again.


Easily the best solution, but it will never happen, unfortunately.
 
2022-01-08 2:31:40 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Dafatone: It's a win more situation. If you're a great high school football player, why wouldn't you want to go to Bama?

Because every other great high school player is doing the same so there's a decent chance you never see the field in four years, or you ride the pine for three and only get one chance to impress.

It's a bonanza of riches for Saban, he gets to pick from the best of the best, but some really good players will lose out, and for some of them this is their way out of some truly dire situations.


Just look at Alvin Kamara. He was riding the bench at Bama before he transferred to Tennessee.
 
2022-01-08 3:04:40 PM  
If I was a 5-star 12th grader right now, I wouldn't want to go to a team where I have to compete on the practice field against two or three other 5-star kids.  I'd want to compete against them in a game.
 
2022-01-08 3:34:16 PM  

Wadded Beef: (Shrugs) Okay, how do you balance it out? Is the SEC magical or just a region of the country where the schools pour more money and calories into football programs compared to the rest of the US and naturally they're able draw the best talent? Seems when a program has overwhelming success (re: Alabama) that they get the most airtime, the most chatter and almost every five-star recruit looks to them first and that inertia is hard to stop.


Playing in only warm weather, never really traveling far from home (if at all) is a huge help.

I find it weird that the best teams in college football (generally) are warm weather, but when they get to the NFL it's the cold weather teams that seem to dominate.

Still wonder how $EC teams would look in 20-degree weather up north...I am guessing not well at all.
 
2022-01-08 3:45:57 PM  

McGrits: An 8 team playoff with only conference champions allowed in. It would mean some shifting of schools to new conferences but that has already happened and can happen again.


Eight teams? No.

Asking for only conference champions would result in less competitive games while objectively better teams sat at home which is not something which interests me. In terms of being in the CFP, I don't care that a team that finishes their games after 99% of people are in bed or are in the process of going to bed won the Mountain Valley Sky Conference.

"Oklahoma didn't deserve to get into the BCS title game after Kansas State whooped them."

People say things like that all the time without contemplating the next step which is to then look for teams with better resumes.

It would however, go back to placing more importance on the regular season which I'm all for in a general sense but not at the cost of further realignment as was spoken of.
 
2022-01-08 4:00:38 PM  
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granted, it's more polite than spitting college football.
 
2022-01-08 4:13:28 PM  

freddyV: Paul Baumer: freddyV: Just keep having losing records in bowl games to other conferences.

Nobody cares about any of the bowls anymore besides the CFP. They are strictly participation trophies and TV content filler. Losing every single Alamo/Birmingham/Meineke Car Care "bowls" has zero impact. Having at least one representative in 13 of 15 BCS/CFP era finals, and winning 11 (12 on Monday regardless)is what drives the recruiting and money bus here.

Is that why the semi final game tv viewership was down and other bowls are higher?


Call me after the title. The semis were off because the outcome was never, ever in doubt.
 
2022-01-08 4:35:04 PM  

freddyV: Paul Baumer: freddyV: Just keep having losing records in bowl games to other conferences.

Nobody cares about any of the bowls anymore besides the CFP. They are strictly participation trophies and TV content filler. Losing every single Alamo/Birmingham/Meineke Car Care "bowls" has zero impact. Having at least one representative in 13 of 15 BCS/CFP era finals, and winning 11 (12 on Monday regardless)is what drives the recruiting and money bus here.

Is that why the semi final game tv viewership was down and other bowls are higher?


Hmmm, looks like the CFP games outdrew every other game but the Rose, that tied with Ga/Mi, and the overall viewership has merely rebounded to 2019 levels.

Ala/Cin - 16.6M avg/18.2M peak, up 6% over 21
Ga/Mi - 17.2/20.5 (not specified)

Utah/OSU 16.6/19.7
Baylor/Ole Miss 9.8/13.6
OkSt/ND 8/14.3 (up 20% over 21)
Pitt/MSU 7.6/8.7
"The 2021 New Year's Six finished on par with the 2019 season"
https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2022/01/new-years-six-delivers-multi-year-viewership-highs-second-most-watched-non-semifinal-rose-bowl-game-of-college-football-playoff-era/
 
2022-01-08 5:31:49 PM  

Paul Baumer: freddyV: Paul Baumer: freddyV: Just keep having losing records in bowl games to other conferences.


Is that why the semi final game tv viewership was down and other bowls are higher?

Call me after the title. The semis were off because the outcome was never, ever in doubt.


Then don't say the CFP games.
Say the championship game.

Paul Baumer: freddyV: Paul Baumer: freddyV: Just keep having losing records in bowl games to other conferences.

Hmmm, looks like the CFP games outdrew every other game but the Rose, that tied with Ga/Mi, and the overall viewership has merely rebounded to 2019 levels.

Ala/Cin - 16.6M avg/18.2M peak, up 6% over 21
Ga/Mi - 17.2/20.5 (not specified)

Utah/OSU 16.6/19.7
Baylor/Ole Miss 9.8/13.6
OkSt/ND 8/14.3 (up 20% over 21)
Pitt/MSU 7.6/8.7
"The 2021 New Year's Six finished on par with the 2019 season"
https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2022/01/new-years-six-delivers-multi-year-viewership-highs-second-most-watched-non-semifinal-rose-bowl-game-of-college-football-playoff-era/


According to Sports Business Journal, the Cotton Bowl between Alabama and Cincinnati drew 16.1 million viewers, while the Orange Bowl between Michigan and Georgia pulled in 16.5 million viewers.
Previously, per Sports Media Watch, the lowest combined year came in 2015, also in the Cotton Bowl and Orange Bowl. On New Year's Eve in 2015, Alabama routed Michigan State (18.6 million viewers) and Clemson defeated Oklahoma (15.7 million viewers), the latter holding the lowest television ratings for an individual College Football Playoff semifinal.
This season's figures are down significantly from last year, when Ohio State and Clemson drew 19.2 million viewers in the Sugar Bowl, and Alabama and Notre Dame drew in 18.9 million viewers in the Rose Bowl. Both took place on New Year's Day as opposed to this year's games on New Year's Eve.
https://www.si.com/college/2022/01/04/college-football-playoff-semifinals-ratings-hit-cotton-orange-bowl
 
2022-01-08 7:09:55 PM  

iron_city_ap: McGrits: An 8 team playoff with only conference champions allowed in. It would mean some shifting of schools to new conferences but that has already happened and can happen again.

Easily the best solution, but it will never happen, unfortunately.


Proposal to expand College Football Playoff to eight teams shelved (espn.com)

That article is from September 2020. Ms. Dinich was on Finebaum's show Friday and mentioned that with conference realignment in 2025, we may see some changes.

The College Football Landscape Is Going To Look Vastly Different Come 2025 : NPR

Lord Saban (may the blessings of The Bear be forever his) said he thinks this will diminish the importance of bowl games.

Nick Saban has warning about College Football Playoff expansion (msn.com)

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2022-01-08 9:58:11 PM  

MikeyFuccon: In much of the South, it appears as if college football is the only reason higher education is still tolerated in the first place.


That is very true, LSU is a good example, the athletic department is second to none, meanwhile the school is struggling. Their endowment is non existent. The Governor had to go on TV and announce that if LSU doesn't receive more money, then there would be no fall semester, and even the NCAA would have to admit you actually need a school in order to have a school sport.
 
2022-01-08 10:18:12 PM  

edmo: Wadded Beef: Okay, how do you balance it out?

I think they plan to merge all the teams into the SEC.


And when everyone has super powers, no one is special.
 
2022-01-09 10:25:53 AM  
Dear FARK:

The FCS has been rapidly gaining on SEC since 2013, especially online. You have programs (Montana, Montana State, NDSU, Weber St., Eastern WA) that have shown outright defiance towards the NCAA (MT, MT State, mainly) and are the oldest schools to play modern football and continue to this day.

The Brawl of The Wild is the longest contested football trophy (The Great Divide) in all of college football, and even almighty Army/Navy is only 2 games ahead (120 games vs. 122 A/N game).

Yeah - we also have the most International and in-state students out of all collegiate sports.
 
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