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2021-12-31 8:38:17 PM  
I didn't even see "No Way Home" but I think this argument applies to all movies of this type.

So it's based on a comic book and the premise doesn't involve a mentally or physically challenged person or the Holocaust or some triumph of the human spirit.

It took a ton of talent to make these films, from visual FX to sound design to cinematography to set design and most important, editing.

There's a lot more talent that goes into some of these films than some quirky film by that quirky guy about that quirky thing. Or that huge movie about that huge historical event. Do you know how much CGI went into The Irishman? A lot. And it was not good.

So yeah. a movie might be about super heroes running around doing super hero shiat but it's not what a movie is about but how it's executed that makes it a great film.
 
2021-12-31 8:41:51 PM  
No superhero movie is winning best movie.

The way to win that is to wank off movie makers, or portray a still living person.
 
2021-12-31 8:45:43 PM  
Finally saw NWH yesterday, so I can now comment and say it was a great ride.

/Rumors were 'Into the Spiderverse' tried to get all 3 live-action spideys into a cameo but couldn't make it work with schedules
 
2021-12-31 9:29:12 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Finally saw NWH yesterday, so I can now comment and say it was a great ride.

/Rumors were 'Into the Spiderverse' tried to get all 3 live-action spideys into a cameo but couldn't make it work with schedules


On the other hand, spiderpig in the MCU would have been brilliant
 
2021-12-31 9:32:39 PM  

Gubbo: scottydoesntknow: Finally saw NWH yesterday, so I can now comment and say it was a great ride.

/Rumors were 'Into the Spiderverse' tried to get all 3 live-action spideys into a cameo but couldn't make it work with schedules

On the other hand, spiderpig in the MCU would have been brilliant


Ohh definitely. It'd be a stretch, but if you're goin multiverse, at least one's gotta be a cartoon.

/immediately watched Spiderverse after I got home from NWH
/Spiderverse is still superior, but I appreciated a lot of NWH.
 
2021-12-31 9:36:32 PM  

Mugato: I didn't even see "No Way Home" but I think this argument applies to all movies of this type.

So it's based on a comic book and the premise doesn't involve a mentally or physically challenged person or the Holocaust or some triumph of the human spirit.

It took a ton of talent to make these films, from visual FX to sound design to cinematography to set design and most important, editing.

There's a lot more talent that goes into some of these films than some quirky film by that quirky guy about that quirky thing. Or that huge movie about that huge historical event. Do you know how much CGI went into The Irishman? A lot. And it was not good.

So yeah. a movie might be about super heroes running around doing super hero shiat but it's not what a movie is about but how it's executed that makes it a great film.


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2021-12-31 9:38:31 PM  

Mugato: I didn't even see "No Way Home" but I think this argument applies to all movies of this type.

So it's based on a comic book and the premise doesn't involve a mentally or physically challenged person or the Holocaust or some triumph of the human spirit.

It took a ton of talent to make these films, from visual FX to sound design to cinematography to set design and most important, editing.

There's a lot more talent that goes into some of these films than some quirky film by that quirky guy about that quirky thing. Or that huge movie about that huge historical event. Do you know how much CGI went into The Irishman? A lot. And it was not good.

So yeah. a movie might be about super heroes running around doing super hero shiat but it's not what a movie is about but how it's executed that makes it a great film.


And all of that means jack shiat.  The Academy votes are all that matters.  And the Academy's voters are skewed significantly toward white, older, and male, with divorces and acrimonious parent-child relationships.  Which is where the Oscarbait genre came from.  Make a film that caters almost exclusive to old white guys that involve the old white guy in the film being forgiven by his spouse(s) and children and everyone schmaltzing around.  Show it in the requisite theaters no one goes into for the minimum requisite viewings to meet the Oscar eligibility rules, then send viewing copies to all the geriatric serial abusers on the Academy membership list.  Instant nominee.  Which lead to almost two decades of winning films that no one saw or heard of and that were bone-chillingly shiatty.

On the other hand "a lot of people worked hard" is also not a determiner of quality, otherwise Michael Bay films would own every Oscar.
 
2021-12-31 9:43:46 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Gubbo: scottydoesntknow: Finally saw NWH yesterday, so I can now comment and say it was a great ride.

/Rumors were 'Into the Spiderverse' tried to get all 3 live-action spideys into a cameo but couldn't make it work with schedules

On the other hand, spiderpig in the MCU would have been brilliant

Ohh definitely. It'd be a stretch, but if you're goin multiverse, at least one's gotta be a cartoon.

/immediately watched Spiderverse after I got home from NWH
/Spiderverse is still superior, but I appreciated a lot of NWH.


I don't know how the timelines for writing the movie would have worked. But it feels super inspired by multiverse.

Of course maybe marvel were pissed off by multiverse cause they had it written first.

Either way. I can enjoy both

/and loved the I thought you'd be black line
 
2021-12-31 10:19:35 PM  
I'd like to see it nominated because Scorcese's head would explode.
 
2021-12-31 10:26:47 PM  

phalamir: On the other hand "a lot of people worked hard" is also not a determiner of quality, otherwise Michael Bay films would own every Oscar.


Well no, there's more a discerning eye on the technical level than that.
 
2021-12-31 11:17:54 PM  
I tried to read his review.... But he's so wrong about the movie I couldn't. I dunno about the nomination though.  I'be never been able to bring myself to care about that stuff.
 
2021-12-31 11:50:03 PM  
He's right, and the Oscars should do it unless they want to become more of the masturbatory snore-fest it already is.
 
2021-12-31 11:50:55 PM  

Mugato: I didn't even see "No Way Home" but I think this argument applies to all movies of this type.

So it's based on a comic book and the premise doesn't involve a mentally or physically challenged person or the Holocaust or some triumph of the human spirit.

It took a ton of talent to make these films, from visual FX to sound design to cinematography to set design and most important, editing.

There's a lot more talent that goes into some of these films than some quirky film by that quirky guy about that quirky thing. Or that huge movie about that huge historical event. Do you know how much CGI went into The Irishman? A lot. And it was not good.

So yeah. a movie might be about super heroes running around doing super hero shiat but it's not what a movie is about but how it's executed that makes it a great film.


I think the greater issue is the use of 'comic book' as a derogatory descriptor. As if material adapted from a comic is of a lower quality in artistic and literary merit due to the source material. Yes, comics are mostly 'capes & cowls' super hero stuff, but there's a whole gamut to comics as an art form. One can hardly say that a series like Gaiman's Sandman isn't literary, mature storytelling. Same with much of Alan Moore's bibliography. And most people don't realize that 'Road To Perdition', the 2002 drama considered as one of the best of the year and starring Tom Hanks and Paul Neuman, was based off of a comic book.Hell, I even think Scorsese called it brilliant.

Yeah, a lot of comics as juvenile and cater to adolescent male power fantasies, and I enjoy the MCU and the DCAU. But there's still lots worth reading that has quality storytelling on both personal and epic scales. And like you said, the movies and TV shows can be just as great if well made.
 
2022-01-01 12:03:28 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: I think the greater issue is the use of 'comic book' as a derogatory descriptor.


I'm not even a real big comic book guy. But I understand that comic books are a legitimate media, And people who don't recognize that are assholes. but ehn im shiatfaced rightnow so whatever
 
2022-01-01 1:03:17 AM  
The Oscars suck because they don't nominate comedies, not because they don't nominate action movies.

//Movies like Black Panther or Avatar have best picture nominations, but you won't see anything for Barb and Star go to Vista Del Mar
 
2022-01-01 1:03:47 AM  

Mugato: RoyFokker'sGhost: I think the greater issue is the use of 'comic book' as a derogatory descriptor.

I'm not even a real big comic book guy. But I understand that comic books are a legitimate media, And people who don't recognize that are assholes. but ehn im shiatfaced rightnow so whatever


Yeah, wasn't calling you out in particular or anything. Just making a general observation about critics and comics.

Stay safe and see you around here next year.
 
2022-01-01 1:44:20 AM  

Bslim: Mugato: I didn't even see "No Way Home" but I think this argument applies to all movies of this type.

So it's based on a comic book and the premise doesn't involve a mentally or physically challenged person or the Holocaust or some triumph of the human spirit.

It took a ton of talent to make these films, from visual FX to sound design to cinematography to set design and most important, editing.

There's a lot more talent that goes into some of these films than some quirky film by that quirky guy about that quirky thing. Or that huge movie about that huge historical event. Do you know how much CGI went into The Irishman? A lot. And it was not good.

So yeah. a movie might be about super heroes running around doing super hero shiat but it's not what a movie is about but how it's executed that makes it a great film.

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2022-01-01 1:45:29 AM  

moothemagiccow: The Oscars suck because they don't nominate comedies, not because they don't nominate action movies.

//Movies like Black Panther or Avatar have best picture nominations, but you won't see anything for Barb and Star go to Vista Del Mar


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/it wins 8 Oscars
//including Best Screenplay
 
2022-01-01 6:56:13 AM  

phalamir: Mugato: I didn't even see "No Way Home" but I think this argument applies to all movies of this type.

So it's based on a comic book and the premise doesn't involve a mentally or physically challenged person or the Holocaust or some triumph of the human spirit.

It took a ton of talent to make these films, from visual FX to sound design to cinematography to set design and most important, editing.

There's a lot more talent that goes into some of these films than some quirky film by that quirky guy about that quirky thing. Or that huge movie about that huge historical event. Do you know how much CGI went into The Irishman? A lot. And it was not good.

So yeah. a movie might be about super heroes running around doing super hero shiat but it's not what a movie is about but how it's executed that makes it a great film.

And all of that means jack shiat.  The Academy votes are all that matters.  And the Academy's voters are skewed significantly toward white, older, and male, with divorces and acrimonious parent-child relationships.  Which is where the Oscarbait genre came from.  Make a film that caters almost exclusive to old white guys that involve the old white guy in the film being forgiven by his spouse(s) and children and everyone schmaltzing around.  Show it in the requisite theaters no one goes into for the minimum requisite viewings to meet the Oscar eligibility rules, then send viewing copies to all the geriatric serial abusers on the Academy membership list.  Instant nominee.  Which lead to almost two decades of winning films that no one saw or heard of and that were bone-chillingly shiatty.

On the other hand "a lot of people worked hard" is also not a determiner of quality, otherwise Michael Bay films would own every Oscar.


Oscar-bait is such a shiatty genre. It really started taking off in the 90s; of the last 25 Oscar winners I've seen 7 1/2 (I gave up in the middle of American Beauty). The ten before that I've seen eight, and I really don't remember why I missed Driving Miss Daisy and Platoon. Granted, I want to see a few of them (and am actively avoiding the last one because I don't want to get any bad ideas about running away), but really I don't have a lot of interest in modern Oscar-bait. I'm sure my godson with his MFA could explain why they're good to me, but it's just not my thing.

I remember trying to do the first AFI list back in the late 90s; I didn't even make it halfway through, and most of that can be placed squarely on Citizen Kane and Lawrence of Arabia.Granted, no matter which order we watched those in we were only gonna make it halfway through the second before saying "fark this" but still.
 
2022-01-01 6:59:12 AM  
I don't get the obsession, does Zendaya walk around with her muff out or something?
 
2022-01-01 7:17:04 AM  

phalamir: Mugato:

And all of that means jack shiat.  The Academy votes are all that matters.  And the Academy's voters are skewed significantly toward white, older, and male, with divorces and acrimonious parent-child relationships.  Which is where the Oscarbait genre came from.  Make a film that caters almost exclusive to old white guys that involve the old white guy in the film being forgiven by his spouse(s) and children and everyone schmaltzing around.  Show it in the requisite theaters no one goes into for the minimum requisite viewings to meet the Oscar eligibility rules, then send viewing copies to all the geriatric serial abusers on the Academy membership list.  Instant nominee.  Which lead to almost two decades of winning films that no one saw or heard of and that were bone-chillingly shiatty.

On the other hand "a lot of people worked hard" is also not a determiner of quality, otherwise Michael Bay films would own every Oscar.


You just described The Royal Tenenbaums, which received one Oscar nomination for Best Original Sceenplay but didn't win.
 
2022-01-01 8:33:30 AM  
So what about a movie like Lord of the Rings: Return of the King? It won the Oscar for Best Picture. Is it considered a 'super hero' movie?
 
2022-01-01 9:10:39 AM  

browneye: So what about a movie like Lord of the Rings: Return of the King? It won the Oscar for Best Picture. Is it considered a 'super hero' movie?


But LotR is serious literature so it gets an exception. Comics are low-brow, so they don't get an exception.
 
2022-01-01 9:39:17 AM  
NWH is a good film, not a great one.  There I said it.  People either hate on it, or overpraise it. The truth is in the middle. It's better than average for a superhero film, but certainly not the best one.  Even just in its own specialized area, Spider-Man, Into The Spiderverse is a far better movie. Revolutionary, giving people things they'd previously had no idea they'd love, instead of just great fanservice, like NWH is.

This is not a slam of NWH. It deserves its success.  But lets be real. Its success is based on being what people want more than being extraordinary.  Even the shocks/twists set up stuff people probably want to see ultimately.
 
2022-01-01 10:43:40 AM  
Horror movies never win Academy Awards. But Silence of the Lambs won like 5-6, including most of the big awards. Make a super hero movie as good as Silence of the Lambs if you want the prestige awards.
 
2022-01-01 10:51:33 AM  

browneye: So what about a movie like Lord of the Rings: Return of the King? It won the Oscar for Best Picture. Is it considered a 'super hero' movie?


I was going to say that it shouldn't have even been nominated, but all of its fellow nominees were also exercises in mediocre Oscar bait.

/Why have I watched it three times? It's so trite! I blame my wife.
 
2022-01-01 11:08:18 AM  

browneye: So what about a movie like Lord of the Rings: Return of the King? It won the Oscar for Best Picture. Is it considered a 'super hero' movie?


It had a little person in it and they...shiat, it was the guy who played Sallha. Nevermind.
 
2022-01-01 11:34:36 AM  

Kris_Romm: NWH is a good film, not a great one.  There I said it.  People either hate on it, or overpraise it. The truth is in the middle. It's better than average for a superhero film, but certainly not the best one.  Even just in its own specialized area, Spider-Man, Into The Spiderverse is a far better movie. Revolutionary, giving people things they'd previously had no idea they'd love, instead of just great fanservice, like NWH is.

This is not a slam of NWH. It deserves its success.  But lets be real. Its success is based on being what people want more than being extraordinary.  Even the shocks/twists set up stuff people probably want to see ultimately.


Pretty much agree. It's a fun movie. I enjoyed it. But I doubt I'll ever watch it again.
 
2022-01-01 11:40:50 AM  

luidprand: browneye: So what about a movie like Lord of the Rings: Return of the King? It won the Oscar for Best Picture. Is it considered a 'super hero' movie?

I was going to say that it shouldn't have even been nominated, but all of its fellow nominees were also exercises in mediocre Oscar bait.

/Why have I watched it three times? It's so trite! I blame my wife.


I wouldn't call any of those films traditional Oscar bait, but it wasn't a great movie year. Return of the King basically won it being the culmination of the trilogy. I'm a big fan of Master and Commander though.
 
2022-01-01 12:57:15 PM  

Mugato: I didn't even see "No Way Home" but I think this argument applies to all movies of this type.

So it's based on a comic book and the premise doesn't involve a mentally or physically challenged person or the Holocaust or some triumph of the human spirit.

It took a ton of talent to make these films, from visual FX to sound design to cinematography to set design and most important, editing.

There's a lot more talent that goes into some of these films than some quirky film by that quirky guy about that quirky thing. Or that huge movie about that huge historical event. Do you know how much CGI went into The Irishman? A lot. And it was not good.

So yeah. a movie might be about super heroes running around doing super hero shiat but it's not what a movie is about but how it's executed that makes it a great film.


**POSSIBLE SPOILER**

It also did a great job Redeeming the character Arc of who is most easily argued as the weakest Spider-Man. I heard a collective groan when the audience realized the Andrew Garfield Spider-Man was walking towards the screen. Some of those grounds were replaced with tears when he had his Redemptive moment.
 
2022-01-01 1:39:08 PM  

luidprand: browneye: So what about a movie like Lord of the Rings: Return of the King? It won the Oscar for Best Picture. Is it considered a 'super hero' movie?

I was going to say that it shouldn't have even been nominated, but all of its fellow nominees were also exercises in mediocre Oscar bait.

/Why have I watched it three times? It's so trite! I blame my wife.


hahaha it edged out Lost in Translation and Mystic River, what a shiat year for snooty movies
 
2022-01-01 1:39:41 PM  

rummonkey: his Redemptive moment


that's right, poppin tobey maguire's back
 
2022-01-01 1:40:06 PM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: luidprand: browneye: So what about a movie like Lord of the Rings: Return of the King? It won the Oscar for Best Picture. Is it considered a 'super hero' movie?

I was going to say that it shouldn't have even been nominated, but all of its fellow nominees were also exercises in mediocre Oscar bait.

/Why have I watched it three times? It's so trite! I blame my wife.

I wouldn't call any of those films traditional Oscar bait, but it wasn't a great movie year. Return of the King basically won it being the culmination of the trilogy. I'm a big fan of Master and Commander though.


Loved Master and Commander! Excellent movie! My only regret is that I didn't see it on a big screen in a theater.
 
2022-01-01 1:42:45 PM  

browneye: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: luidprand: browneye: So what about a movie like Lord of the Rings: Return of the King? It won the Oscar for Best Picture. Is it considered a 'super hero' movie?

I was going to say that it shouldn't have even been nominated, but all of its fellow nominees were also exercises in mediocre Oscar bait.

/Why have I watched it three times? It's so trite! I blame my wife.

I wouldn't call any of those films traditional Oscar bait, but it wasn't a great movie year. Return of the King basically won it being the culmination of the trilogy. I'm a big fan of Master and Commander though.

Loved Master and Commander! Excellent movie! My only regret is that I didn't see it on a big screen in a theater.


It's probably the best Star Trek movie ever made.
 
2022-01-01 2:37:45 PM  

browneye: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: luidprand: browneye: So what about a movie like Lord of the Rings: Return of the King? It won the Oscar for Best Picture. Is it considered a 'super hero' movie?

I was going to say that it shouldn't have even been nominated, but all of its fellow nominees were also exercises in mediocre Oscar bait.

/Why have I watched it three times? It's so trite! I blame my wife.

I wouldn't call any of those films traditional Oscar bait, but it wasn't a great movie year. Return of the King basically won it being the culmination of the trilogy. I'm a big fan of Master and Commander though.

Loved Master and Commander! Excellent movie! My only regret is that I didn't see it on a big screen in a theater.


I didn't either, which was unfortunate. But it still makes for a great show off film for nice home audio setups.
 
2022-01-01 4:56:45 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: I'd like to see it nominated because Scorcese's head would explode.


Because he totes cares about a bunch of spectrum dwelling manboys.
 
2022-01-01 5:01:40 PM  

stoli n coke: Some Bass Playing Guy: I'd like to see it nominated because Scorcese's head would explode.

Because he totes cares about a bunch of spectrum dwelling manboys.


Have you met Scorcese fanboys? It's not like guys obsessed with "Goodfellas" or the twelve people who saw "Hugo" are particularly socially well-adjusted.

/Or female
 
2022-01-01 5:37:02 PM  
I don't understand his argument. Or maybe I just think it's flawed. He hates the movie--okay. Other people love it, so therefore it should be nominated for an Oscar? What?

We all know the Oscars are about money and Hollywood politics, but setting that aside and engaging with the Academy on their superficial, public level, films are nominated because of their quality, not their popularity. The Oscars aren't the Billboard Awards.

So this guy inadvertently makes a coherent beit brief argument about why the quality of the film isn't high enough for an Oscar, and then turns around and says, "But that doesn't matter--what really matters is lots of people loved it."  He somehow manages to be extra wrong about all this in an entirely new way.
 
2022-01-01 5:39:57 PM  

Mugato: I didn't even see "No Way Home" but I think this argument applies to all movies of this type.

So it's based on a comic book and the premise doesn't involve a mentally or physically challenged person or the Holocaust or some triumph of the human spirit.

It took a ton of talent to make these films, from visual FX to sound design to cinematography to set design and most important, editing.

There's a lot more talent that goes into some of these films than some quirky film by that quirky guy about that quirky thing. Or that huge movie about that huge historical event. Do you know how much CGI went into The Irishman? A lot. And it was not good.

So yeah. a movie might be about super heroes running around doing super hero shiat but it's not what a movie is about but how it's executed that makes it a great film.


There are craft awards for the technical end.
 
2022-01-01 5:44:47 PM  

luidprand: or the twelve people who saw "Hugo" are particularly socially well-adjusted.


PG Wodehouse said of My Fair Lady that it was about 15 minutes too long. And I believe he meant by that "about 45 minutes too long" but was too polite to say so. By the same standard, Hugo was about 15 minutes too long. Scorsese as he's aged apparently has come to believe that if he thought of it, it must be good. But I think a 90-100 minute Hugo would have been very enjoyable.
 
2022-01-01 5:45:38 PM  

Bslim: browneye: Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: luidprand: browneye: So what about a movie like Lord of the Rings: Return of the King? It won the Oscar for Best Picture. Is it considered a 'super hero' movie?

I was going to say that it shouldn't have even been nominated, but all of its fellow nominees were also exercises in mediocre Oscar bait.

/Why have I watched it three times? It's so trite! I blame my wife.

I wouldn't call any of those films traditional Oscar bait, but it wasn't a great movie year. Return of the King basically won it being the culmination of the trilogy. I'm a big fan of Master and Commander though.

Loved Master and Commander! Excellent movie! My only regret is that I didn't see it on a big screen in a theater.

It's probably the best Star Trek movie ever made.


It was about 15 minutes too long. (see my post above this,)
 
2022-01-01 6:37:51 PM  

yakmans_dad: Mugato: I didn't even see "No Way Home" but I think this argument applies to all movies of this type.

So it's based on a comic book and the premise doesn't involve a mentally or physically challenged person or the Holocaust or some triumph of the human spirit.

It took a ton of talent to make these films, from visual FX to sound design to cinematography to set design and most important, editing.

There's a lot more talent that goes into some of these films than some quirky film by that quirky guy about that quirky thing. Or that huge movie about that huge historical event. Do you know how much CGI went into The Irishman? A lot. And it was not good.

So yeah. a movie might be about super heroes running around doing super hero shiat but it's not what a movie is about but how it's executed that makes it a great film.

There are craft awards for the technical end.


Yes, and there are awards for acting and script.
 
2022-01-02 12:26:35 AM  

FriarReb98: I'm sure my godson with his MFA could explain why they're good to me, but it's just not my thing.


They aren't good.  They aren't meant to be good.  They are meant to check a series of boxes to tickle the balls of septuagenarian movie executives.  The Oscars are not voted on by the public at large, or even most people in the movie industry.  The Academy is made up of just under 10K people.  And there are only two ways to join - be nominated for an Oscar, or be nominated by someone already in the Academy.  This has meant that the Academy is relentlessly male, white, and older - and relentlessly self-reinforcing.  So, someone developed a formula to appeal to that demographic.  And others joined in.  They aggressively bred movies that had no other purpose than to get an Oscar nomination.  Not have artistic merit, or make money, or gain fame - just convince a few thousand old farkers to vote for it.  Imagine breeding a dog who would automatically Seig Heil at the sound of Eric Trump's voice.  With no other considerations whatsoever going into the breeding program.  Except that the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show was judged exclusively by Eric Trump.  That's what Oscar bait movies are.  And to be an Oscar-qualified movie you have to show it at a theater in LA County for a minimum number of viewings.  There are theaters that exist in LA not to attract customers, but to just show movies to meet that requirement.  So, make your fussy, inbred movie, show it only to people desperate enough to frequent one of these ersatz theaters, and shove it in front of the eyeballs of the Academy for which it was almost pathologically made to evoke a Pavlovian response.  Bingo - Oscar nomination.  And a good chance of Best Picture, again because of the Pavlovian way it was built.  For a steaming turd no one has heard of, much less seen.  It is not uncommon for Oscar wins to garner bonuses or pay bumps in Hollywood.  So, now you have a mad scramble to make these piles of shiat for cheap advancement.  And then its just unknown pabulum facing off against unknown pabulum for the crown - because making a film to appeal to a single, highly specific demographic is infinity easier to do than one that might appeal to even the most niche popular subculture.  if your godson is defending Oscar-bait movies, it is only because he's working on one.

In Hollywood's defense, they did realize that this scam was just making the Oscars a laugh riot for Best Picture.  Not to mention that the Academy looked like a Klan clambake.  And they took steps to broaden the demographics of their membership and restrict voting to people still making films to limit the power of guys who haven't done anything since the Eisenhower Administration.  But it is a slow process, so while Best Picture isn't quite as bad as it was a decade ago, you still see these degenerate movies making the lists.
 
2022-01-02 12:28:14 AM  

austerity101: I don't understand his argument. Or maybe I just think it's flawed. He hates the movie--okay. Other people love it, so therefore it should be nominated for an Oscar? What?

We all know the Oscars are about money and Hollywood politics, but setting that aside and engaging with the Academy on their superficial, public level, films are nominated because of their quality, not their popularity. The Oscars aren't the Billboard Awards.

So this guy inadvertently makes a coherent beit brief argument about why the quality of the film isn't high enough for an Oscar, and then turns around and says, "But that doesn't matter--what really matters is lots of people loved it."  He somehow manages to be extra wrong about all this in an entirely new way.


I think you summed it up nicely.


I wonder if he has felt similarly about any other popular movies he didn't particularly like in recent years.


There has seemed to be a groundswell of Oscar support for popular films (read: comic book flicks) in recent years. And while the Oscars are mostly self congratulatory nonsense influenced by behind the scenes studio politicking, I don't think any have deserved the "honor."  I've enjoyed most of them, but to me at least they don't really rise above nominating a Fast and the Furious movie.

 
2022-01-02 1:19:19 AM  

austerity101: I don't understand his argument. Or maybe I just think it's flawed. He hates the movie--okay. Other people love it, so therefore it should be nominated for an Oscar? What?

We all know the Oscars are about money and Hollywood politics, but setting that aside and engaging with the Academy on their superficial, public level, films are nominated because of their quality, not their popularity. The Oscars aren't the Billboard Awards.

So this guy inadvertently makes a coherent beit brief argument about why the quality of the film isn't high enough for an Oscar, and then turns around and says, "But that doesn't matter--what really matters is lots of people loved it."  He somehow manages to be extra wrong about all this in an entirely new way.


The argument isn't "nominate this because it is popular". It is more of a "don't dismiss this popular thing because you don't think they are proper cinema if you want to stay relevant." The fact that oscar bait movies exists is a very good example of the demise of the event.


/Even Marvel got oscars when they make a low to mediocre quality story about black people

 
2022-01-02 10:25:37 AM  

Mugato: yakmans_dad: Mugato: I didn't even see "No Way Home" but I think this argument applies to all movies of this type.

So it's based on a comic book and the premise doesn't involve a mentally or physically challenged person or the Holocaust or some triumph of the human spirit.

It took a ton of talent to make these films, from visual FX to sound design to cinematography to set design and most important, editing.

There's a lot more talent that goes into some of these films than some quirky film by that quirky guy about that quirky thing. Or that huge movie about that huge historical event. Do you know how much CGI went into The Irishman? A lot. And it was not good.

So yeah. a movie might be about super heroes running around doing super hero shiat but it's not what a movie is about but how it's executed that makes it a great film.

There are craft awards for the technical end.

Yes, and there are awards for acting and script.


And lots of other unrelated things.
 
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