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2021-12-28 11:58:10 AM  
Discovery's fouth season is a little less insufferable, yet they STILL insist on shoving aside the rest of the cast so Burnham, and now her f*ckuig boyfriend (who isn't even in starfleet) get to be front-and-center 97% of the time.
It's like a f*ck you to the audience, just like the opening fart-rock Enterprise opening.
 
2021-12-28 12:16:57 PM  
He's done a few episodes for Orville too. Riker is like the King of SciFi on TV right now.

I really enjoy Discovery. Sorry to hear about the people hate-watching it or whatever.
 
2021-12-28 12:18:02 PM  

Bslim: Discovery's fouth season is a little less insufferable, yet they STILL insist on shoving aside the rest of the cast so Burnham, and now her f*ckuig boyfriend (who isn't even in starfleet) get to be front-and-center 97% of the time.
It's like a f*ck you to the audience, just like the opening fart-rock Enterprise opening.


Its a tv show. Chill.
 
2021-12-28 12:18:18 PM  
Ol Two Takes Frakes strikes again.
 
2021-12-28 12:19:21 PM  
Star Trek: Discovery

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2021-12-28 12:20:46 PM  

Pedal Pedal: Ol Two Takes Frakes strikes again.


I found Marina Sirtis' Fark handle guise.
 
2021-12-28 12:22:44 PM  

WhippingBoi: Star Trek: Discovery

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Stuff nobody could possibly predict: A username with a persecution complex hating on Disco.
 
2021-12-28 12:29:16 PM  
I'm hoping for more trombone and jazz jokes
 
2021-12-28 12:33:13 PM  
The AR Wall sounds cool as f*ck
 
2021-12-28 12:39:32 PM  

GardenWeasel: The AR Wall sounds cool as f*ck


It's as close to a holodeck as possible with today's technology. When they've used it in Disco, you wouldn't know it was being used. The scene at Starfleet Academy in (spoiler)'s last-ish episode was shot using it.

This season of Disco is freaking fantastic, it continues the promise from S3 and keeps getting better.
 
2021-12-28 12:41:40 PM  

Bslim: Discovery's fouth season is a little less insufferable, yet they STILL insist on shoving aside the rest of the cast so Burnham, and now her f*ckuig boyfriend (who isn't even in starfleet) get to be front-and-center 97% of the time.
It's like a f*ck you to the audience, just like the opening fart-rock Enterprise opening.


It's been a long road getting from there to here
 
2021-12-28 12:50:12 PM  
Watching Discovery recently, I started to notice that it's the most 'human' of any of the Treks. It's not fending off attacks from the alien-of-the-week, it's got a much more emotional core.
 
2021-12-28 1:18:17 PM  
Frakes is having a blast on Lower Decks with the voice acting. I hope he gets to do that and direct as long as his bearded heart desires.
 
2021-12-28 1:36:07 PM  
If you watch a single episode of TNG on streaming.. it really doesn't hold up. If you watch several episodes back-to-back... it kicks major ass and brings you back in time.
 
2021-12-28 1:41:59 PM  

WhippingBoi: Star Trek: Discovery

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I skipped past the Discovery stuff (awful show), but at the end he mentioned he's coming back in season 3 of Lower Decks, so that's nice! I happen to like Lower Decks quite a lot.
 
2021-12-28 1:49:46 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Bslim: Discovery's fouth season is a little less insufferable, yet they STILL insist on shoving aside the rest of the cast so Burnham, and now her f*ckuig boyfriend (who isn't even in starfleet) get to be front-and-center 97% of the time.
It's like a f*ck you to the audience, just like the opening fart-rock Enterprise opening.

Its a tv show. Chill.


A major film/television studio, hiring hundreds/thousands of people, spending millions of dollars to make a program to entertain millions more people, and all you say is "it's just a TV show."

I HATE Discovery, but because of the writing and characters, not because it's a TV show.
 
2021-12-28 1:54:37 PM  

Lodger: MurphyMurphy: Bslim: Discovery's fouth season is a little less insufferable, yet they STILL insist on shoving aside the rest of the cast so Burnham, and now her f*ckuig boyfriend (who isn't even in starfleet) get to be front-and-center 97% of the time.
It's like a f*ck you to the audience, just like the opening fart-rock Enterprise opening.

Its a tv show. Chill.

A major film/television studio, hiring hundreds/thousands of people, spending millions of dollars to make a program to entertain millions more people, and all you say is "it's just a TV show."

I HATE Discovery, but because of the writing and characters, not because it's a TV show.


Such a disappointment. Great casting, great production... but the writing is apparently contracted out to a room of kindergartners.
 
2021-12-28 2:06:59 PM  

Lodger: A major film/television studio, hiring hundreds/thousands of people, spending millions of dollars to make a program to entertain millions more people, and all you say is "it's just a TV show."


Yes, that's absolutely correct. Those millions of dollars are not your money and you don't have to watch it.

Surely you have a business of your own you can mind.
 
2021-12-28 2:13:09 PM  

mongbiohazard: Lodger: MurphyMurphy: Bslim: Discovery's fouth season is a little less insufferable, yet they STILL insist on shoving aside the rest of the cast so Burnham, and now her f*ckuig boyfriend (who isn't even in starfleet) get to be front-and-center 97% of the time.
It's like a f*ck you to the audience, just like the opening fart-rock Enterprise opening.

Its a tv show. Chill.

A major film/television studio, hiring hundreds/thousands of people, spending millions of dollars to make a program to entertain millions more people, and all you say is "it's just a TV show."

I HATE Discovery, but because of the writing and characters, not because it's a TV show.

Such a disappointment. Great casting, great production... but the writing is apparently contracted out to a room of kindergartners.


Just for 15 mins, I would love to hear out the answer to these questions:

1. Why is the (now) captain of your Starfleet vessel performing all the tasks and away missions?

2. What is her boyfriend doing there, all the time, doing things the crew should be doing? He's not part of the crew in any capacity.

3. What happened to the rest of the cast of your show?

5. What happened to Tig Notaro's character?
 
2021-12-28 2:15:27 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Lodger: A major film/television studio, hiring hundreds/thousands of people, spending millions of dollars to make a program to entertain millions more people, and all you say is "it's just a TV show."

Yes, that's absolutely correct. Those millions of dollars are not your money and you don't have to watch it.

Surely you have a business of your own you can mind.


Ah, HEY, EVERYBODY, time to shut Fark down. That's right, according to internet rando here only business owners are allowed to opine, here, on this... opinion sharing website thing.
 
2021-12-28 2:22:13 PM  

Bslim: Ah, HEY, EVERYBODY, time to shut Fark down. That's right, according to internet rando here only business owners are allowed to opine, here, on this... opinion sharing website thing.


I believe the official site policy is: "You'll get over it"

1. Why is the (now) captain of your Starfleet vessel performing all the tasks and away missions?

IDK, it's something Kirk and Janeway did so it's become a tradition I guess.

2. What is her boyfriend doing there, all the time, doing things the crew should be doing? He's not part of the crew in any capacity.

They're a thousand years from home and he's not. They talked about this. He's everything Neelix wasn't and that's a good thing. 

3. What happened to the rest of the cast of your show?

COVID is hard, okay?

5. What happened to Tig Notaro's character?

She was in the episode before last.
 
2021-12-28 2:39:36 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Lodger: A major film/television studio, hiring hundreds/thousands of people, spending millions of dollars to make a program to entertain millions more people, and all you say is "it's just a TV show."

Yes, that's absolutely correct. Those millions of dollars are not your money and you don't have to watch it.

Surely you have a business of your own you can mind.


Something on the level of a STAR TREK is no longer "just a TV show."

I loathe professional wrestling, but even I can't just dismiss it as if it's just doofuses in a backyard.  It has resources, finances and "talent."  I'll tell you why I hate it, but I can't ignore it's a massive "thing."

I don't have to watch anything, and I have the wherewithal to explain why.
 
2021-12-28 2:45:09 PM  

Bslim: Discovery's fouth season is a little less insufferable, yet they STILL insist on shoving aside the rest of the cast so Burnham, and now her f*ckuig boyfriend (who isn't even in starfleet) get to be front-and-center 97% of the time.
It's like a f*ck you to the audience, just like the opening fart-rock Enterprise opening.


Once you make your main character a literal Space Jesus its hard to dial back that drip feed.
 
2021-12-28 2:48:30 PM  

Bslim: mongbiohazard: Lodger: MurphyMurphy: Bslim: Discovery's fouth season is a little less insufferable, yet they STILL insist on shoving aside the rest of the cast so Burnham, and now her f*ckuig boyfriend (who isn't even in starfleet) get to be front-and-center 97% of the time.
It's like a f*ck you to the audience, just like the opening fart-rock Enterprise opening.

Its a tv show. Chill.

A major film/television studio, hiring hundreds/thousands of people, spending millions of dollars to make a program to entertain millions more people, and all you say is "it's just a TV show."

I HATE Discovery, but because of the writing and characters, not because it's a TV show.

Such a disappointment. Great casting, great production... but the writing is apparently contracted out to a room of kindergartners.

Just for 15 mins, I would love to hear out the answer to these questions:

1. Why is the (now) captain of your Starfleet vessel performing all the tasks and away missions?

2. What is her boyfriend doing there, all the time, doing things the crew should be doing? He's not part of the crew in any capacity.

3. What happened to the rest of the cast of your show?

5. What happened to Tig Notaro's character?


1. Because she is a farking literal "Space Jesus".

2. Because she is a farking literal "Space Jesus".

3. Because she is a farking literal "Space Jesus".

4. Because she is a farking literal "Space Jesus". have you seen Tig in action? The nervous high energy thing only lasts so long before people get bored.  Also Space Jesus.
 
2021-12-28 2:52:32 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Bslim: Ah, HEY, EVERYBODY, time to shut Fark down. That's right, according to internet rando here only business owners are allowed to opine, here, on this... opinion sharing website thing.

I believe the official site policy is: "You'll get over it"

1. Why is the (now) captain of your Starfleet vessel performing all the tasks and away missions?

IDK, it's something Kirk and Janeway did so it's become a tradition I guess.

2. What is her boyfriend doing there, all the time, doing things the crew should be doing? He's not part of the crew in any capacity.

They're a thousand years from home and he's not. They talked about this. He's everything Neelix wasn't and that's a good thing. 

3. What happened to the rest of the cast of your show?

COVID is hard, okay?

5. What happened to Tig Notaro's character?

She was in the episode before last.


I believe there are two significant overarching reasons (and many lesser ones) that are why Discovery is so divisive.

1. Some of these stories have the stink of character swap.

I firmly believe many of these are supposed to be stories with other crew members, but executives are trying to push recognizable, marketable main characters instead of a larger cast of primary characters.

So stories that should have been other characters, like the prison break, star Burnham and Booker due to executive meddling.

2. Discovery is trying to push a single story through their entire season forgetting that the nature of trek is episodic. You COULD have a main plot over a 26 episode series, but instead they only film for the story episodes. Some people call that filler, but it's world building, character developing, and deepening the roster. Done well, it enriches the world.

Even DS9 and Babylon 5 weren't exclusively story. DS9 was lauded for telling story arcs as opposed to only being episodic, but only like 1/3 of the series is that arc.

Trying to tell nothing but story and only doing it through 2 characters viewpoint is just not Trek enough. It's like a movie saga instead of a TV series. They are not embracing the benefits of the medium they are in. The time they have to flush out and explore.

... We could get into how emotional and silly and poorly written a lot of it is, but I don't think those would be unfixable (or even uncharacteristically Trek, to be honest), and I think they come out of these two main farkeries caused by CBS and Paramount focusing on the wrong thing for the wrong reasons, because of usual the intellectual property owners are trying to push shows out that rich other markets, draw other demographics, etc etc... Without regard for what hallmarks the IP.

This is the same reason people hate pallette swaps, gender swaps, and other cash in maneuvers. It's done for easy marketing or to placate a demographic or to grow the audience. But 99% of this is done lazily to the detriment of the story, not for the sake of exploring the world... and this is why the existing audience is so put off.
 
2021-12-28 2:54:07 PM  

Bslim: mongbiohazard: Lodger: MurphyMurphy: Bslim: Discovery's fouth season is a little less insufferable, yet they STILL insist on shoving aside the rest of the cast so Burnham, and now her f*ckuig boyfriend (who isn't even in starfleet) get to be front-and-center 97% of the time.
It's like a f*ck you to the audience, just like the opening fart-rock Enterprise opening.

Its a tv show. Chill.

A major film/television studio, hiring hundreds/thousands of people, spending millions of dollars to make a program to entertain millions more people, and all you say is "it's just a TV show."

I HATE Discovery, but because of the writing and characters, not because it's a TV show.

Such a disappointment. Great casting, great production... but the writing is apparently contracted out to a room of kindergartners.

Just for 15 mins, I would love to hear out the answer to these questions:

1. Why is the (now) captain of your Starfleet vessel performing all the tasks and away missions?


They've discussed this. The Federation has basically fallen apart due to a cataclysm. They're down on officers who are as forward and experienced as Burnham and crew. Think "Andromeda" only done WAY better and without Sorbo. 

2. What is her boyfriend doing there, all the time, doing things the crew should be doing? He's not part of the crew in any capacity.

Characters are allowed to have relationships. The captain of any series has never had a serious long term relationship to explore. Sure there was the sex-of-the-week in previous series, but those stories are lame, and Star Trek has never really had a large amount of long-term romantic relationships. Book may not be a part of the Federation, though it doesn't matter. He has a capability outside of Starfleet that they can put to use. As said above, he's Neelix done 10,000,000% better.  Also his planet was literally ripped apart and probably every member of his race died. Exploring real human emotions are a thing in Star Trek, ya know. 

3. What happened to the rest of the cast of your show?

COVID SUCKS. Plus there are a limited amount of stories per season. Or maybe the timeframe when Disco was being produced collided with actors other responsibilities. People have lives other than entertaining you. 

4. You skipped #4. 

5. What happened to Tig Notaro's character?


She was in a recent episode, and actors time is expensive. Same reason that Owo, Nilsson, and Detmer haven't been around as much. The stories are revolving around Stamets/Culber/Adira/Gray, along with Burnham/Book, Zora, and including potential BBEG and guest stars.

Honestly in every one of these threads with Disco, Picard or something else you don't like, you and others just come into the thread to shiat on everything. Just let people enjoy something, why is that so farking hard? Your opinion is known. By repeating what you've already said, you're making an ass out of yourself and contributing nothing to the conversation. You don't like it. We know. We've moved on. You haven't.
 
2021-12-28 2:56:36 PM  

Lodger: I loathe professional wrestling, but even I can't just dismiss it as if it's just doofuses in a backyard.  It has resources, finances and "talent."  I'll tell you why I hate it, but I can't ignore it's a massive "thing."


Okay, not gonna lie - that's a fascinating dichotomy. I wish I had time to explore that further. Like, I'm assuming there must be thresholds involved? And there's an implication that there must be some level of involvement from you once it crosses that threshold, whether you like it or not?

Pro wrestling is an interesting example. By contrast, I find it superficially amusing but don't care enough to dedicate any time to it. It's not particularly interesting to me - not its drama nor its successes and failures as an enterprise. I don't hate it -- hate would imply caring. And I'm happy that its fans enjoy it. And that's all I have to say about it since it's truly as simple as that.
 
2021-12-28 3:02:02 PM  

Aezetyr: Bslim: mongbiohazard: Lodger: MurphyMurphy: Bslim: Discovery's fouth season is a little less insufferable, yet they STILL insist on shoving aside the rest of the cast so Burnham, and now her f*ckuig boyfriend (who isn't even in starfleet) get to be front-and-center 97% of the time.
It's like a f*ck you to the audience, just like the opening fart-rock Enterprise opening.

Its a tv show. Chill.

A major film/television studio, hiring hundreds/thousands of people, spending millions of dollars to make a program to entertain millions more people, and all you say is "it's just a TV show."

I HATE Discovery, but because of the writing and characters, not because it's a TV show.

...

Honestly in every one of these threads with Disco, Picard or something else you don't like, you and others just come into the thread to shiat on everything. Just let people enjoy something, why is that so farking hard? Your opinion is known. By repeating what you've already said, you're making an ass out of yourself and contributing nothing to the conversation. You don't like it. We know. We've moved on. You haven't.


And yet here you are as well, right in the same mud.
 
2021-12-28 3:12:18 PM  

Aezetyr: Bslim: mongbiohazard: Lodger: MurphyMurphy: Bslim: Discovery's fouth season is a little less insufferable, yet they STILL insist on shoving aside the rest of the cast so Burnham, and now her f*ckuig boyfriend (who isn't even in starfleet) get to be front-and-center 97% of the time.
It's like a f*ck you to the audience, just like the opening fart-rock Enterprise opening.

Its a tv show. Chill.

A major film/television studio, hiring hundreds/thousands of people, spending millions of dollars to make a program to entertain millions more people, and all you say is "it's just a TV show."

I HATE Discovery, but because of the writing and characters, not because it's a TV show.

Such a disappointment. Great casting, great production... but the writing is apparently contracted out to a room of kindergartners.

Just for 15 mins, I would love to hear out the answer to these questions:

1. Why is the (now) captain of your Starfleet vessel performing all the tasks and away missions?

They've discussed this. The Federation has basically fallen apart due to a cataclysm. They're down on officers who are as forward and experienced as Burnham and crew. Think "Andromeda" only done WAY better and without Sorbo. 

2. What is her boyfriend doing there, all the time, doing things the crew should be doing? He's not part of the crew in any capacity.

Characters are allowed to have relationships. The captain of any series has never had a serious long term relationship to explore. Sure there was the sex-of-the-week in previous series, but those stories are lame, and Star Trek has never really had a large amount of long-term romantic relationships. Book may not be a part of the Federation, though it doesn't matter. He has a capability outside of Starfleet that they can put to use. As said above, he's Neelix done 10,000,000% better.  Also his planet was literally ripped apart and probably every member of his race died. Exploring real human emotions are a thing in Star Trek, ya know. 

3. What happened to the rest of the cast of your show?

COVID SUCKS. Plus there are a limited amount of stories per season. Or maybe the timeframe when Disco was being produced collided with actors other responsibilities. People have lives other than entertaining you. 

4. You skipped #4. 

5. What happened to Tig Notaro's character?

She was in a recent episode, and actors time is expensive. Same reason that Owo, Nilsson, and Detmer haven't been around as much. The stories are revolving around Stamets/Culber/Adira/Gray, along with Burnham/Book, Zora, and including potential BBEG and guest stars.

Honestly in every one of these threads with Disco, Picard or something else you don't like, you and others just come into the thread to shiat on everything. Just let people enjoy something, why is that so farking hard? Your opinion is known. By repeating what you've already said, you're making an ass out of yourself and contributing nothing to the conversation. You don't like it. We know. We've moved on. You haven't.


If asking legitimate questions about moronic decisions in Discovery's storytelling is gonna be brushed aside by you as "shiatting on everything" then I don't care to have any discussion with you.
And no, I won't be seeing  any of your future posts.
 
2021-12-28 3:43:41 PM  
And people say the Politics tab is toxic, haha.
 
2021-12-28 3:45:48 PM  
I'm still working on getting Beardless Riker, my math-rock cold-wave screamo ensemble, off the ground.
 
2021-12-28 3:48:13 PM  
Frowns at your 'sentient AI' shenanigans:

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/ terrible show
// Lexa made it tolerable
// 3
 
2021-12-28 4:17:52 PM  

rummonkey: Bslim: Discovery's fouth season is a little less insufferable, yet they STILL insist on shoving aside the rest of the cast so Burnham, and now her f*ckuig boyfriend (who isn't even in starfleet) get to be front-and-center 97% of the time.
It's like a f*ck you to the audience, just like the opening fart-rock Enterprise opening.

Once you make your main character a literal Space Jesus its hard to dial back that drip feed.


Fark doesn't like Deep Space Nine anymore?
 
2021-12-28 4:29:16 PM  

Bslim: If asking legitimate questions about moronic decisions in Discovery's storytelling is gonna be brushed aside by you as "shiatting on everything" then I don't care to have any discussion with you.


I'd save this quote as a ironically hilarious counter to Bslim doing the exact same thing in every Disney Star Wars trilogy thread, except he finally started acknowledging the criticism when even he was finally broken by Rise of Skywalker.
 
2021-12-28 4:33:21 PM  

EdgeRunner: Fark doesn't like Deep Space Nine anymore?


You leave Black Space Jesus out of this. Let's talk more about Kirk getting blasted by God's laser eyes.

Picard was the most decent of the bunch. His religious experience was merely "It's a Wonderful Life" in space.

/reductivity is reductive
 
2021-12-28 4:35:08 PM  
Hang on, the original series is hailing us:

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2021-12-28 5:12:45 PM  

EdgeRunner: rummonkey: Bslim: Discovery's fouth season is a little less insufferable, yet they STILL insist on shoving aside the rest of the cast so Burnham, and now her f*ckuig boyfriend (who isn't even in starfleet) get to be front-and-center 97% of the time.
It's like a f*ck you to the audience, just like the opening fart-rock Enterprise opening.

Once you make your main character a literal Space Jesus its hard to dial back that drip feed.

Fark doesn't like Deep Space Nine anymore?


Difference there is that there were other characters that were well developed and there was a bad guy (Dukat) that was every bit Sisko's equal and opposite.
 
2021-12-28 5:15:05 PM  
Oblig

Riker sits down
Youtube lVIGhYMwRgs
 
2021-12-28 6:42:34 PM  
I didn't like the character of Riker on TNG. As a woman, I found him smug, arrogant, and even sometimes smarmy. But that is JUST A CHARACTER.

I had no idea Mr. Frakes, the man, was involved in so much cool stuff. Rock on, beard man!
 
2021-12-28 6:49:28 PM  

SalmonberryPie: I didn't like the character of Riker on TNG. As a woman, I found him smug, arrogant, and even sometimes smarmy. But that is JUST A CHARACTER.

I had no idea Mr. Frakes, the man, was involved in so much cool stuff. Rock on, beard man!


That's acting.
 
2021-12-28 7:03:53 PM  

SalmonberryPie: I didn't like the character of Riker on TNG. As a woman, I found him smug, arrogant, and even sometimes smarmy. But that is JUST A CHARACTER.


I always got a huge laugh out of Riker's narcissistic urge to name every single file he ever stored on the computer after himself. How the hell did he ever keep track of the difference between programs called "Riker 1", "Riker Riker 1", "Riker Riker Double Riker 1", and "Riker? I Barely Even Know Her"? His folder contents must have read like a personalized version of Monty Python's Spam sketch.
 
2021-12-28 7:14:49 PM  

EdgeRunner: SalmonberryPie: I didn't like the character of Riker on TNG. As a woman, I found him smug, arrogant, and even sometimes smarmy. But that is JUST A CHARACTER.

I always got a huge laugh out of Riker's narcissistic urge to name every single file he ever stored on the computer after himself. How the hell did he ever keep track of the difference between programs called "Riker 1", "Riker Riker 1", "Riker Riker Double Riker 1", and "Riker? I Barely Even Know Her"? His folder contents must have read like a personalized version of Monty Python's Spam sketch.


The writers for the various series of Star Trek really should have spent some time shadowing some naval war games or something so that they can come up with something besides "Pattern Omega One" or "Defense Manuver Delta" for their maneuvers. That is one thing BSG and newer shows definitely got right.
 
2021-12-28 7:23:39 PM  

Quantumbunny: 2. Discovery is trying to push a single story through their entire season forgetting that the nature of trek is episodic. You COULD have a main plot over a 26 episode series, but instead they only film for the story episodes. Some people call that filler, but it's world building, character developing, and deepening the roster. Done well, it enriches the world.


I think this is my biggest problem with it. Every series it's all balls-to-the-wall high stakes shiat that's threatening all of life in the galaxy or whatevs. Having some bottle episodes to break that up would be nice. Monster of the week, episodes that follow one particular character, even holodeck malfunctions would be a relief.

I guess the Short Treks kinda serve a bit of that purpose, though? Never watched them.

And in the most recent S4 episode I've watched... rank inflation has always been an issue on Trek. All the main cast tend to be officers. But currently, Saru and Burnham are both captains, right? And pretty much everyone referred to by rank in the episode is (lieutenant, maybe) commander. It's a minor quibble, but it seems like pretty much everyone's a senior officer?

/And was it adequately explained last time round why The Burn affected Romulan ships, that used to be powered by artificial singularities?
//I guess they could have stopped that practice, or maybe handwavium could say that the singularities needed to be fed on dilithium, but if you're doing a show with lots of fan-service, it's something I'd have liked to see mentioned.
///nerds.jpg
 
2021-12-28 8:06:30 PM  

Quantumbunny: DS9 was lauded for telling story arcs as opposed to only being episodic, but only like 1/3 of the series is that arc.


Sisko, Jake, Quark and Nog got kidnapped by the Jem Hadar at the end of season two of DS9.

DS9 used five more 26 episode seasons to tell one Dominion War story arc, which left a ton of episodes to explore all the main characters and even the side characters

Discovery is trying to fit a story arc into each season, with less than half as many episodes per season.  It isn't hard to figure out why they don't have enough time to explore each character.
 
2021-12-28 8:24:48 PM  
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2021-12-28 9:33:55 PM  
It is not NuTrek, it is DiscoTrek.
 
2021-12-28 11:19:08 PM  

rummonkey: EdgeRunner: rummonkey: Bslim: Discovery's fouth season is a little less insufferable, yet they STILL insist on shoving aside the rest of the cast so Burnham, and now her f*ckuig boyfriend (who isn't even in starfleet) get to be front-and-center 97% of the time.
It's like a f*ck you to the audience, just like the opening fart-rock Enterprise opening.

Once you make your main character a literal Space Jesus its hard to dial back that drip feed.

Fark doesn't like Deep Space Nine anymore?

Difference there is that there were other characters that were well developed and there was a bad guy (Dukat) that was every bit Sisko's equal and opposite.


Hot take: Watching the Bajorans, who spend almost the entirety of DS9 standing in their own way and that of anyone trying to help them, really makes one understand (albeit not condone) where Dukat was coming from.
 
2021-12-28 11:56:14 PM  
Wait, Star Trek is exploring the idea of a sentient ship again? I might have to check it out.
 
2021-12-29 12:10:14 AM  

propasaurus: Watching Discovery recently, I started to notice that it's the most 'human' of any of the Treks. It's not fending off attacks from the alien-of-the-week, it's got a much more emotional core.


You're in for so much fun. Look forward to:

- Michael is Space Jesus
- There is absolutely no consistency at all, ever. Things just happen.
- Lurching back and forth between long, drawn-out soliloquies and frantic action.
- Tears. So many tears.
- Incredibly un-subtle and in-your-face preaching.
- Plot arcs being resolved in the stupidest ways imaginable
- In season 3, prepare for the most absolutely face-smashingly stupid story resolution you can possibly imagine. No, stupider. Stupider. Keep going. No, still stupider. Almost there. Yes, that stupid.
- Keep count of how many white men you see other than Pike who aren't flat-out depicted as the devil. Imagine that said "black men" if the problem isn't obvious.

Season 4 so far is... I suppose, an improvement all the way up to merely awful? There have actually been some kernels of interesting ideas for a change, even if they all end up being done badly.

BullBearMS: Quantumbunny: DS9 was lauded for telling story arcs as opposed to only being episodic, but only like 1/3 of the series is that arc.

Sisko, Jake, Quark and Nog got kidnapped by the Jem Hadar at the end of season two of DS9.

DS9 used five more 26 episode seasons to tell one Dominion War story arc, which left a ton of episodes to explore all the main characters and even the side characters

Discovery is trying to fit a story arc into each season, with less than half as many episodes per season.  It isn't hard to figure out why they don't have enough time to explore each character.


It's hard to know where to begin.

Because the people writing the show are complete morons who can barely string a coherent scene together on a good day, to say nothing of keeping an episode (let alone an entire season-long story arc) on track and in motion? Significant fractions of almost every episode are wasted on scenes that go nowhere and accomplish nothing. Because the only character who ever gets to actually do anything is Space Jesus? Because their idea of 'exploring the character' is "Tilly joined starfleet to piss off her mom?"
 
2021-12-29 12:10:51 AM  
Quantumbunny:

Even DS9 and Babylon 5 weren't exclusively story. DS9 was lauded for telling story arcs as opposed to only being episodic, but only like 1/3 of the series is that arc.

I don't agree. DS9 had the Dominion war story arc for it's entire 7 seasons. It changed over the years, but it was pretty much set. The episodes that were not clip shows or mirror dimension were focused on character and relationship development in the context of the story arc. Bashir and Section 31, related to the war. Sisko, Jake and the prophecy, related to the war. Worf banging chicks and taking over the Klingon Empire to win the war. Garak's redemption, Dukat fell over the war. Bajor and the wormhole were at the center of the war. Odo's entire premise was that he came from the other side of the war's Master Race.

The best episodes were great men behaving badly for the greater good. Would you lie, cheat, and kill others or yourself to save those you love? Would you run away? What if you're injured? Can you live with it? Can you?

DS9 is Star Trek: War Chronicles.
 
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