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2021-12-27 12:49:48 PM  
I do see quite a few of the Teslas around these cold high mountain parts of the country for the last few years, so they must be working.  I imagine the heat/defrost stuff reduces the range a lot, but if you only have to go 30 miles or so it's not a problem.

I saw my first Rivian truck last night and the front is striking.  I was like wtf is that and I made a left and saw the Rivian logo on the fender.
https://rivian.com/
 
2021-12-27 12:52:02 PM  
No cheap covid tests that upload the data via phone apps?
 
2021-12-27 12:56:47 PM  
I'll bet the author is a pedophile...

/Elon, love me like my father never did!!!
 
2021-12-27 12:58:58 PM  
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2021-12-27 1:00:37 PM  
#DOGE
#ToTheMoon

/is that enough? im just not into it this morning
 
2021-12-27 1:10:46 PM  

Nadie_AZ: No cheap covid tests that upload the data via phone apps?


There's a lot to like about the Rivians, but I think I'll be sitting out the first year or two.
 
2021-12-27 1:20:20 PM  
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2021-12-27 1:50:55 PM  

ski9600: I do see quite a few of the Teslas around these cold high mountain parts of the country for the last few years, so they must be working.  I imagine the heat/defrost stuff reduces the range a lot, but if you only have to go 30 miles or so it's not a problem.

I saw my first Rivian truck last night and the front is striking.  I was like wtf is that and I made a left and saw the Rivian logo on the fender.
https://rivian.com/


That's a... Okay, I can't take the front of that seriously.

/Although the field kitchen thing is pretty cool.
 
2021-12-27 2:47:11 PM  
I have it from a highly (over) paid government authority that Tesla builds the best killer robots on the planet.
 
2021-12-27 2:55:39 PM  

natazha: I have it from a highly (over) paid government authority that Tesla builds the best killer robots on the planet.


Yeah, their autonomous driving cars.
 
2021-12-27 3:00:21 PM  

SpectroBoy: Nadie_AZ: No cheap covid tests that upload the data via phone apps?

There's a lot to like about the Rivians, but I think I'll be sitting out the first year or two.


That is a good call for any new vehicle model.
 
2021-12-27 3:21:50 PM  
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WHEN THOU SLING THINE ARROWS AT MINE ETERNAL LORD ELON, THOU WOUNDETH ME, FILTH! HAVE AT THEE! HIDE NOT BEHIND YE BOARD OF KEYS BUT FACETH ME IN BATTLE! A WHOLE COIN OF BITS TO THE WINNER!
 
2021-12-27 3:28:54 PM  

natazha: I have it from a highly (over) paid government authority that Tesla builds the best killer robots on the planet.


Yeah, but for those he goes by the name Ted Faro.
 
2021-12-27 3:45:10 PM  
The number of people in this country who are barely making it yet are fawning, bowing, drooling fans of billionaires is utterly astonishing.
 
2021-12-27 3:45:15 PM  

ski9600: I do see quite a few of the Teslas around these cold high mountain parts of the country for the last few years, so they must be working.  I imagine the heat/defrost stuff reduces the range a lot, but if you only have to go 30 miles or so it's not a problem.


Of course the Fine Article is not calling Tesla a tech failure, just its "full self-driving" feature and how that's been touted by Tesla (Musk).

I saw my first Rivian truck last night and the front is striking.  I was like wtf is that and I made a left and saw the Rivian logo on the fender.
https://rivian.com/


I watched a couple of real-life review videos on Youtube and I'd like to have one.  But for their price I could buy a new, high-spec Nissan Leaf and pay for a local bodyshop / creator guy to turn it into a real cool, custom mini-truck.  Or just buy a Leaf, save a bunch of money and borrow my son's pickup when I need one.
 
2021-12-27 3:50:27 PM  
CNN is about as useful as tits on a boar
 
2021-12-27 4:03:14 PM  

Linux_Yes: CNN is about as useful as tits on a boar


Why would tits on a boar not be useful?

/ never really understood that phrase
 
2021-12-27 4:05:55 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Linux_Yes: CNN is about as useful as tits on a boar

Why would tits on a boar not be useful?

/ never really understood that phrase


It's supposed to be "tits on a bull", though I used to use "tits on a nun" back in the day.  Either way, they'd be there but you can't get much use out of them.
 
Xai
2021-12-27 4:08:22 PM  
Couldn't agree more with it. Full self drive doesn't exist and isn't ready.
 
2021-12-27 4:13:03 PM  

ski9600: I do see quite a few of the Teslas around these cold high mountain parts of the country for the last few years, so they must be working.  I imagine the heat/defrost stuff reduces the range a lot, but if you only have to go 30 miles or so it's not a problem.

I saw my first Rivian truck last night and the front is striking.  I was like wtf is that and I made a left and saw the Rivian logo on the fender.
https://rivian.com/


I got passed south on PCH between Malibu and the People's Republic last week by a blue one, like I was standing still  ( I was doing 55 ) .
I would like one if they had a crew cab with a full bed and I could, and this is the major thing - afford it.
 
2021-12-27 4:22:46 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: The number of people in this country who are barely making it yet are fawning, bowing, drooling fans of billionaires is utterly astonishing.


The Big Conservative Lie: "If you vote to make rich people even richer, SOMEDAY YOU WILL BE RICH TOO!!"

"Now back to work; no OT pay, benefits, raises, or decent health insurance."
 
2021-12-27 4:29:25 PM  
Subby fails for not calling them "Musk-ateers"
 
2021-12-27 4:35:33 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: The number of people in this country who are barely making it yet are fawning, bowing, drooling fans of billionaires is utterly astonishing.


Vonnegut:

To quote the American humorist Kin Hubbard, 'It ain't no disgrace to be poor, but might as well be.' It is in fact a crime for an American to be poor, even though America is a nation of poor. Every other nation has folk traditions of men who were poor but extremely wise and virtuous, and therefore more estimable than anyone with power and gold. No such tales are told by the American poor. They mock themselves and glorify their betters. The meanest eating or drinking establishment, owned by a man who is himself poor, is very likely to have a sign on its wall asking this cruel question: 'if you're so smart why ain't you rich?' There will also be an American flag no larger than a child's hand glued to a lollipop stick and flying from the cash register.
 
2021-12-27 4:41:24 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: The number of people in this country who are barely making it yet are fawning, bowing, drooling fans of billionaires is utterly astonishing.


I am also always amazed at the sheer number of Americans who protect and serve the very people that are taking away their quality of life every single farking day.
 
2021-12-27 4:49:23 PM  
No one yet?

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2021-12-27 5:00:54 PM  
A Finnish man finally found a good use for a Texla
Mies joka räjäytti TESLANSA!! Tesla Model S & 30kg dynamiittia.
Youtube 7_9aVzf5fC4
 
2021-12-27 5:17:16 PM  

mrmopar5287: No one yet?

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Given that these weird nerds rarely seem to show up in this threads, more like:

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2021-12-27 5:21:43 PM  
Well clearly Elon has oversold what Tesla's auto drive can do.

Though I hope the bugs can be eventually worked out and put in every car as I would not mind sleeping in a long trip. I just don't plan to do it until such a feature has been thoroughly tested and certified by competent third parties.

/Don't have a Tesla.
 
2021-12-27 5:23:52 PM  

Randrew: I watched a couple of real-life review videos on Youtube and I'd like to have one.  But for their price I could buy a new, high-spec Nissan Leaf and pay for a local bodyshop / creator guy to turn it into a real cool, custom mini-truck.  Or just buy a Leaf, save a bunch of money and borrow my son's pickup when I need one.


Or just buy a Leaf, save a bunch of money, and buy another Leaf in 5 years because the battery degradation is so bad that the Leaf has become petrified.

There's a reason so many people lease a Leaf instead of buying one.  There are a lot of better EVs out there.
 
2021-12-27 5:28:38 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: The number of people in this country who are barely making it yet are fawning, bowing, drooling fans of billionaires is utterly astonishing.


Aspiring douchebags
 
2021-12-27 5:48:30 PM  

Craw Fu: Randrew: I watched a couple of real-life review videos on Youtube and I'd like to have one.  But for their price I could buy a new, high-spec Nissan Leaf and pay for a local bodyshop / creator guy to turn it into a real cool, custom mini-truck.  Or just buy a Leaf, save a bunch of money and borrow my son's pickup when I need one.

Or just buy a Leaf, save a bunch of money, and buy another Leaf in 5 years because the battery degradation is so bad that the Leaf has become petrified.

There's a reason so many people lease a Leaf instead of buying one.  There are a lot of better EVs out there.


They did change their battery chemistry starting (I think) for 2018 models.  I don't have any direct experience with the Leaf and I don't know if their new tech is the improvement they needed.

Honestly, I'm more likely to snag part of the powertrain from a wrecked Tesla and adapt it into an old Toyota pickup with a blown engine that I have.  Yes, it would be cheaper just to fix the blown engine, but that's not the same project.
 
2021-12-27 6:12:13 PM  
Love my Model S (Got it after the 2 price drops in Dec 2020)

That said, the full self driving is NOT where it needs to be by a long shot.  I'm almost OCD about being a considerate driver to those around me, so I can't really use it.  It scares me, and when it doesn't, it takes waaay too long to pull past a stop sign.  I just can't use it if anyone is behind me.

That that said, still an awesome car, and I look forward to driving it every time!
 
2021-12-27 6:23:54 PM  

Randrew: Craw Fu: Randrew: I watched a couple of real-life review videos on Youtube and I'd like to have one.  But for their price I could buy a new, high-spec Nissan Leaf and pay for a local bodyshop / creator guy to turn it into a real cool, custom mini-truck.  Or just buy a Leaf, save a bunch of money and borrow my son's pickup when I need one.

Or just buy a Leaf, save a bunch of money, and buy another Leaf in 5 years because the battery degradation is so bad that the Leaf has become petrified.

There's a reason so many people lease a Leaf instead of buying one.  There are a lot of better EVs out there.

They did change their battery chemistry starting (I think) for 2018 models.  I don't have any direct experience with the Leaf and I don't know if their new tech is the improvement they needed.

Honestly, I'm more likely to snag part of the powertrain from a wrecked Tesla and adapt it into an old Toyota pickup with a blown engine that I have.  Yes, it would be cheaper just to fix the blown engine, but that's not the same project.


Sounds like a fun project.  My dad has a Cobra kit car that he never finished building. I've been trying to talk him I to finding a totaled Tesla with a salvageable battery and motor for years so that he can turn it I to an electric Cobra.
 
2021-12-27 6:27:31 PM  

Unsung_Hero: ArcadianRefugee: Linux_Yes: CNN is about as useful as tits on a boar

Why would tits on a boar not be useful?

/ never really understood that phrase

It's supposed to be "tits on a bull", though I used to use "tits on a nun" back in the day.  Either way, they'd be there but you can't get much use out of them.


I suppose it could apply equally to most male mammals on a normal day.  But even human males can lactate.
 
2021-12-27 6:32:21 PM  

trialpha: mrmopar5287: No one yet?

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Given that these weird nerds rarely seem to show up in this threads, more like:

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Fine, I'll do it.

Musk is a genius. If you were a genius too you might be able to understand what a genius he is. Everything he does is genius, I mean rockets that land and uhhh, some other stuff. He's even more smarter than Steve Jobs ever was. A Maverick, a Unicorn, a Model American!

There, are you happy?
 
2021-12-27 6:34:32 PM  

wax_on: trialpha: mrmopar5287: No one yet?

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Given that these weird nerds rarely seem to show up in this threads, more like:

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Fine, I'll do it.

Musk is a genius. If you were a genius too you might be able to understand what a genius he is. Everything he does is genius, I mean rockets that land and uhhh, some other stuff. He's even more smarter than Steve Jobs ever was. A Maverick, a Unicorn, a Model American!


Right up there with Trump!  But do eunuchs really have "horns"?
 
2021-12-27 6:49:00 PM  

TheMysteriousStranger: Well clearly Elon has oversold what Tesla's auto drive can do.

Though I hope the bugs can be eventually worked out and put in every car as I would not mind sleeping in a long trip.


If it's in every car then it's doable.  As long as you have stupid, unpredictable, easily distracted meat behind the wheel then you're going to have problems.
 
2021-12-27 7:05:15 PM  
I mean... it's about the self-driving function, which couldn't be less unambiguously and irrefutably a failure if it had dropped out of community college to couch surf in Florida while "finding itself".  It's an AI that can't even reliably manage lane assist, which literally every other car company has a functional design on the road for already except Tesla, Tesla's terminally behind on the actual technology part again, just like with Musk's dumbass "we can almost do what NASA could reliably manage every time in the mid 1950s, occasionally" rocket program.

The cars in general seem to be doing... okay, they sell decently and they're rated as being on the low end of the middle of the pack as far as electric vehicles go in design and execution terms, which isn't nothing.
 
2021-12-27 7:07:12 PM  

Craw Fu: Randrew: Craw Fu: Randrew: I watched a couple of real-life review videos on Youtube and I'd like to have one.  But for their price I could buy a new, high-spec Nissan Leaf and pay for a local bodyshop / creator guy to turn it into a real cool, custom mini-truck.  Or just buy a Leaf, save a bunch of money and borrow my son's pickup when I need one.

Or just buy a Leaf, save a bunch of money, and buy another Leaf in 5 years because the battery degradation is so bad that the Leaf has become petrified.

There's a reason so many people lease a Leaf instead of buying one.  There are a lot of better EVs out there.

They did change their battery chemistry starting (I think) for 2018 models.  I don't have any direct experience with the Leaf and I don't know if their new tech is the improvement they needed.

Honestly, I'm more likely to snag part of the powertrain from a wrecked Tesla and adapt it into an old Toyota pickup with a blown engine that I have.  Yes, it would be cheaper just to fix the blown engine, but that's not the same project.

Sounds like a fun project.  My dad has a Cobra kit car that he never finished building. I've been trying to talk him I to finding a totaled Tesla with a salvageable battery and motor for years so that he can turn it I to an electric Cobra.


I would love to see things like that for older vehicles, like a GTO or a Barndoor VW Deluxe Microbus,or a Mustang Fastback or ( insert old vehicle here ) . The problem is the weight of those old chassis would degrade performance / mileage , but still .
My first build would be a 1970's / Early 80's 911 , followed by said Barndoor Bus , followed by the same model used in Spencer for Hire ( Mustang ) and then the STarsky and Hutch car.
 
2021-12-27 7:31:14 PM  
Any chance of being able to get an EV with an actual dashboard where I can work the headlights, wipers, defroster, etc. via muscle memory rather than having to look away from the road to read a touch screen?

/What happens when a cop pulls over a Tesla driver and tells them to put away the computer?  Supposedly this has happened.
 
2021-12-27 7:41:53 PM  
And while the feature may sound fantastical, drivers who've used it told CNN Business in November that, beyond the wow factor, they are often unsure of what their cars will do next -- a terrifying prospect when you're behind the wheel of a vehicle that weighs thousands of pounds. CNN Business tried the feature on a Tesla Model 3 on New York City streets in November and the results were, at times, scary: the software tried to drive the car into a UPS truck to avoid a cyclist, attempted to drive on the wrong side of the road, and almost hit a fence, among other issues.


Hot damn! Those are the best parts of driving a Tesla on Autopilot! It's exciting! You're sitting there with your whisky and rocks, playing StarForce Reloaded, a shooting game with TONS of bullets so you gotta pay close attention, or since the KARENS at the NTSB made it impossible play StarForce Reloaded while driving you're watching The Matrix Resurrections on your phone while the car screams down the street at 89 mph (the max autopilot will go). The car swerves to avoid another damned cyclist and you have to wiggle the steering wheel to let the car know it's doing fine. It might be unpredictable on new paths, but it's predictable when it will be unpredictable, so it's exciting. You're all like, what will it do and you lean forward and sip your booze with rapt attention. And then WOW it didn't kill us! Hahahaha how exciting!

*Down your drink*

And then BEEP BOOP you take control. That'll do, car. That'll do.

/And then BOOP BEEP, back on autopilot
//the liquor just hit
///Dui insurance
 
2021-12-27 7:58:49 PM  

flondrix: Any chance of being able to get an EV with an actual dashboard where I can work the headlights, wipers, defroster, etc. via muscle memory rather than having to look away from the road to read a touch screen?

/What happens when a cop pulls over a Tesla driver and tells them to put away the computer?  Supposedly this has happened.


Sure.  Buy any EV other than a Tesla.  Tesla's entire selling point is conspicuous consumption and overengineered gaudiness, the better EVs in engineering and practical terms, which are typically billed as "plug-in hybrids" and feature a backup gas generator because they're actually designed for practical use, overwhelmingly feature the same interfaces as the brand's corresponding gas vehicles.

You'll also get the side effect of basically all of them being rated better than a Tesla on basically every practical metric, and being much cheaper.
 
2021-12-27 8:01:35 PM  

Jim_Callahan: just like with Musk's dumbass "we can almost do what NASA could reliably manage every time in the mid 1950s, occasionally" rocket program.


Want to know how I know that you know nothing about NASA in the 50's?

or 60's?

or 70's

or 80's?

or 90's?
 
2021-12-27 8:24:58 PM  

Jim_Callahan: flondrix: Any chance of being able to get an EV with an actual dashboard where I can work the headlights, wipers, defroster, etc. via muscle memory rather than having to look away from the road to read a touch screen?

/What happens when a cop pulls over a Tesla driver and tells them to put away the computer?  Supposedly this has happened.

Sure.  Buy any EV other than a Tesla.  Tesla's entire selling point is conspicuous consumption and overengineered gaudiness, the better EVs in engineering and practical terms, which are typically billed as "plug-in hybrids" and feature a backup gas generator because they're actually designed for practical use, overwhelmingly feature the same interfaces as the brand's corresponding gas vehicles.

You'll also get the side effect of basically all of them being rated better than a Tesla on basically every practical metric, and being much cheaper.


How are you defining "practical use?"

With a plug in hybrid you're typically getting 30-40 range electric.

/owns an EV and HEV
 
2021-12-27 9:08:58 PM  

Unsung_Hero: ArcadianRefugee: Linux_Yes: CNN is about as useful as tits on a boar

Why would tits on a boar not be useful?

/ never really understood that phrase

It's supposed to be "tits on a bull", though I used to use "tits on a nun" back in the day.  Either way, they'd be there but you can't get much use out of them.


Obviously whoever came up with the latter never saw the films of Jesse Franco.
 
2021-12-27 9:18:39 PM  
Article about tech fails.
Mentions Tesla
Doesn't mention cybertruck

Fail journalism is fail.
 
2021-12-27 9:22:23 PM  

Jim_Callahan: I mean... it's about the self-driving function, which couldn't be less unambiguously and irrefutably a failure if it had dropped out of community college to couch surf in Florida while "finding itself".  It's an AI that can't even reliably manage lane assist, which literally every other car company has a functional design on the road for already except Tesla, Tesla's terminally behind on the actual technology part again, just like with Musk's dumbass "we can almost do what NASA could reliably manage every time in the mid 1950s, occasionally" rocket program.

The cars in general seem to be doing... okay, they sell decently and they're rated as being on the low end of the middle of the pack as far as electric vehicles go in design and execution terms, which isn't nothing.


Lane assist is literally the only thing autopilot does flawlessly.

Which, ironically, is the least wrong thing in your post.
 
2021-12-27 9:30:21 PM  

akallen404: Article about tech fails.
Mentions Tesla
Doesn't mention cybertruck

Fail journalism is fail.


Nah, I'm with the article on this one.  Other than being late and then late, it's also not in production yet, so it hasn't had a chance to actually fail - yet.

The "full self-driving" thing has been touted both for the cars and the Cybertruck from near the beginning of the company and it's maybe killed a few people stupid enough to trust it, but it has definitely not succeeded.

The big, stupid Fail is calling it "auto-pilot" and insisting that it actually works ( but "Don't use it without your hands on the wheel!" ).
 
2021-12-27 10:03:40 PM  

Jim_Callahan: flondrix: Any chance of being able to get an EV with an actual dashboard where I can work the headlights, wipers, defroster, etc. via muscle memory rather than having to look away from the road to read a touch screen?

/What happens when a cop pulls over a Tesla driver and tells them to put away the computer?  Supposedly this has happened.

Sure.  Buy any EV other than a Tesla.  Tesla's entire selling point is conspicuous consumption and overengineered gaudiness, the better EVs in engineering and practical terms, which are typically billed as "plug-in hybrids" and feature a backup gas generator because they're actually designed for practical use, overwhelmingly feature the same interfaces as the brand's corresponding gas vehicles.

You'll also get the side effect of basically all of them being rated better than a Tesla on basically every practical metric, and being much cheaper.


There are plug-in hybrids out there, but most electric vehicles (even non-Tesla ones) are not plug-in hybrids.  Plug-in hybrids kind of flopped.
 
2021-12-27 10:35:32 PM  
Have Biden gitmo Musk and then shut down Tesla, and seize spaceX as NASA property.

Problem solved.

If any of the investors have a problem, gitmo them too.

Problem solved.
 
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