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(cbsnews.com)   US Defense department cannot account for 25% of spending   ( cbsnews.com) divider line
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2002-02-20 01:10:54 AM  
2002-02-20 01:13:18 AM  
4 words:
Secret Alien Death Rays
2002-02-20 01:16:11 AM  
Well, what's the lesser of two evils: $6000 toilet seats and hammers, or some guy saying, "Uhmmmmmm, I dunno."
2002-02-20 01:17:08 AM  
Booze n broads.
2002-02-20 01:20:21 AM  
They just don't want to admit that they bought Windows licenses for all their computers.
2002-02-20 01:23:22 AM  
Qwerty2: LOL!

Anyway, finding all of this money would make for a hell of a tax rebate. $8,000 for every man, woman, and child in Amercia. Wow.
2002-02-20 01:25:37 AM  
god bless america and the republicans
2002-02-20 01:29:17 AM  
'A waste is a terrible thing to mind'
2002-02-20 01:31:52 AM  
maybe you guys didn't hear me.....
Secret Alien Death Rays

2002-02-20 01:32:04 AM  
In other news, gold-plated tanks to be unleashed in newest full scale war against poorly equipped crappy country.
2002-02-20 01:37:26 AM  
oh boy.. expense accounts anybody?
2002-02-20 01:39:13 AM  
I'm suprised this didn't mean headlines years ago. My parents work for the DOD, and they have seen powerful people abuse their power for some spiffy financing. Mostly really swanky business trips or just purchasing items way overpriced. Its not like its THEIR money they are spending...

Also credit cards are issued to many employees to cover costs related to your job. My mother has one, and she accidently used it at JC Pennys once. The next day she immediately corrected the matter when she realized what had happened. A lot of people aren't as honest as her...and I doubt it would have been noticed.
2002-02-20 01:39:23 AM  
In his opinion, "With good financial oversight we could find $48 billion in loose change in that building, without having to hit the taxpayers."
Gee, I'll bet the people who provide financial oversight for social programs are geniuses next to these guys! ::Reaches over to pat the big bag of money in Social Security:: Heh heh... uhhh... whoops!
2002-02-20 01:40:04 AM  
Doem, you dildo, do you think this all happened in the past year? If memory serves, we recently got rid of a two term democrat.

This isn't about political parties, it's about incompetent or dishonest people being put in charge of budgets and contracts. It's about unscrupulous contractors grossly overcharging for work and materials because they know no one is watching.

Seriously, think before you speak.
2002-02-20 01:44:11 AM  
Yes, if you are in contracting and you want to make a quick buck, your best bet is with your state or federal government. You can do a half assed job and charge twice as much...and no one will care.
2002-02-20 01:45:47 AM  
What's funny is that the same people who whine about the NEA and community service agencies wasting money are supporting these guys. Sheesh.. politicians..
2002-02-20 01:51:30 AM  
Hey Wedge, when they talk about $6000 hammers and toilet seats, they talk about average pricing. The DOD buys a bunch of stuff like hammers and jet planes, and divides the total bill among the items. You will find that the $6000 also is matched by a $6000 F-16. Granted the DOD wastes money, but they aren't THAT stupid.
2002-02-20 01:54:31 AM  
Granted this method of accounting is not good at reporting the true costs of items and is prone to critism, but I hope they have a good reason for doing it that way.
2002-02-20 02:02:02 AM  
God bless America...

Land of the used to be free, and the home of the terminally stupid.
2002-02-20 02:04:41 AM  
This isnt all about corruption and incompetence. Partly, maybe, but this is just too large an amount to be graft. What I'm seeing is stuff they cant tell congress about. It's certainly alot easier to cook the books than it is to ask permission to sell stinger missiles to iran, or prop up the corrupt puppet governments of the world..
2002-02-20 02:10:39 AM  
At least we are winning the war against fiscal responsibilty and accountability.
2002-02-20 02:23:52 AM  
This song is GREAT!
2002-02-20 02:25:19 AM  
please enlighten me :(

for exactly what reason this can 'not' be a huge scandal?? as far as I can see there aren't many public outcrys on this (or I might have been just ignorant :( anyway) but the money they are talking about defies comparison...

why has this been such small news...?
2002-02-20 02:32:20 AM  
It's small news because Americans are just plain pretty stupid.

I think, as a country, we've really just ceased to care unless it has the words "Terrorist" or "Anthrax" attached to it.

Sad state of affairs really, when the Gov. can "lose" accountablity for %25 of their spending, and no-one bats an eyelash.
2002-02-20 02:37:25 AM  
This isnt all about corruption and incompetence. Partly, maybe, but this is just too large an amount to be graft. What I'm seeing is stuff they cant tell congress about. It's certainly alot easier to cook the books than it is to ask permission to sell stinger missiles to iran, or prop up the corrupt puppet governments of the world..

build Secret Alien Death Rays
2002-02-20 02:44:46 AM  
25 % my ass it is way more than that. *knock on door* ............Wait I meant less than that .
2002-02-20 02:49:49 AM  
Well, Cow song, the problem is that criticizing the military and its ridiculous and reckless spending has never been popular among Americans. #1 most Americans, even the stupid ones, are smart enough to realize the military has more guns than even Charlton Heston #2 How dare you question the way our military/industrial complex wastes our money you unpatriotic, terrorist loving hippie. Hmm, I noticed you didn't fly your flag high enough on Flag Day, come with us...

The sad thing is that some of this wasted money could be going to the men and women who actually do work hard and even risk their lives. I say the Marines should invade the Pentagon.
2002-02-20 02:52:25 AM  
where I work they have this strange thing called "open purchase orders." So they could say: "bah, we'll purchase [for example] $300,000 of stuff on this P.O. this year." the accounting group just assumes that all $300,000 of that account will be bought, when it isn't always (meaning, they think we spend all of that 300K, when in fact, we have like 250K leftover....gets transferred to next year. Losses work the same way). From FY to FY, this could add up, meaning that these losses were only losses on paper and not actual losses?

Or (more likely), they cooked the books and were so much into the spirit of transferring funds, the accounting people just caught up with them?

At any rate, we need a first rate firm like Arthur Andersen to figure things out, but clearly the DoD's accounting is seriously farked up.....as is my company's : )
2002-02-20 03:29:28 AM  
Two things.

1. $600 hammers and $36 screwdrivers? Outed long ago by the HASC as a cover for covert-operation funding. $3600 toilet seat? Was actually a fiberglass cowling for a toilet and bulkhead (wall) for an airplane; about 20 square feet of custom-designed aeronautical craftsmanship.

2. That "two-term democrat" administration reduced gummint reliance on dead trees by 85%. Current "no-brain republican" administration retaliated by planting untrue stories about trashed offices.

Fraud, Waste, and Abuse witch-hunts are the government's Craig Shergold. No matter how well you got rid of them the last time, they come around again to annoy you because there's always some clueless busybody who comes upon the concept and wonders why this isn't three amendments to the Constitution.
2002-02-20 03:35:51 AM  

And one wonders why no one in the media is questioning the $$$ for our artificial war
2002-02-20 03:58:24 AM  
Yeah, everyone knows that under a Democratic administration the political slant of the armed forces turns liberal and then it's tree hugger environmentalists and hippies that get the huge Defense Dept. contracts and kickbacks and lost money.

So don't say it's just a Republican scandal. It's BOTH PARTIES FAULT (just like Enron and all other Republican scandals).

Or blame Carter.
2002-02-20 04:01:34 AM  
Apathy and ignorance have become national pastimes. (sigh)
2002-02-20 04:12:43 AM  
You know what that 25% went to build...
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2002-02-20 04:14:11 AM  
hmmm... thanks for the input, guys. but I was thinking that maybe the missing $$$ has got more to do with military-related $$$ transaction being classified (? not sure but I'd think it is), and maybe the figures that were stated in this article aren't credible enough. I think that if it was indeed all about corruption of the insiders, I honestly think that the public wouldn't be THAT scared, because they'd have not only the public's support but also from much part of the military populaton as well. besides - as a poor ass who's never made more than $10 an hour in my life ;) - it's very hard for me to imagine the way to 'use up' a TRILLION dollar... it seems a bit too big for a corruption.

then again, what do I know ;)

do any of you know anything about weapon industry and how it works? are those weaponry companies ultimately linked to other industries/ corporations like banking and oil... and who's basically sucking up such huge portion of the tax $$$?
2002-02-20 04:24:45 AM  
The IRS will hunt you to your grave for unpaid taxes.. yet the government loses billions of dollars? I think not. They know exactly where that money went, only we dont.
2002-02-20 04:33:47 AM  
EnemyFrank: you dildo, its about our president asking for a 125 billion dollar increace without asking where the 2.3 trillion went. Oh and thanks for feeding me. Dildo
2002-02-20 04:36:48 AM  
They're only hiding the money because they don't want to pay tarrifs on all those imported UK b.j.'s
2002-02-20 04:40:32 AM  
Or maybe they did build a death star . . .

populated with imported british whores and multi-million dollar pimpbot 5000's. No wonder it's a secret.
2002-02-20 04:48:25 AM  
What they should do is sit down, have a cup of tea, and think really hard about where they last put them. I find it always helps when I lose my glasses.
2002-02-20 04:56:26 AM  
to me, the best way to find things is to physically follow my trace.. it works better for people like me with very short attention span.
2002-02-20 05:03:00 AM  
I find that only tends to work with decent acid, though...
2002-02-20 05:05:40 AM  
Its called a Black Budget. Its how the government makes neat things like laser weapons predator drones without putting on public paper those said things. I mean, it wouldn't be very secret if they listed in Public spending papers " Aurora - $9,000,000,000 " and " Time Machine $675,000,"

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2002-02-20 05:46:41 AM  
I hear the Department of Defense uses Anderson as an outside auditor.
2002-02-20 07:27:54 AM  
"I mean, it wouldn't be very secret if they listed in Public spending papers " Aurora - $9,000,000,000 ""

That showed up once back in the early 90's. Oops!

BTW, they are using this money to make drugs to sell to third world countries so they can attack the evil drug-doers. Let's roll.
2002-02-20 07:33:52 AM  
Man i wish i had $10 million to bribe the government. Then i could get so much in kick backs i would never have to work again. Corporate welfare rocks.
2002-02-20 07:41:04 AM  
2.3 trillion isn't like losing a twenty dollar bill out of the suit you sent to the cleaners.

Blaming Clinton won't bring the money back either.

Republican shiatheads are big on blame, but little on action.

That senile sonofabiatch Reagan tried to blame all his stupidity and economic ills on Carter, and it didn't improve anything.
2002-02-20 07:50:27 AM  
Actually the government still buys overpriced equipment, $100 for multi-purpose pliers, they could take stuff off and put stuff back on.
2002-02-20 07:54:25 AM  
Money spent on three things:

Left handed scissors.
2002-02-20 09:36:41 AM  
I don't mind, not as if they take a lot out of my pay che...
2002-02-20 09:38:54 AM  

I've always wonered how come the Republicans always like to throw tons of money at defense, this explains alot.
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