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2021-12-13 2:34:56 AM  
I need to research this guy. What "peace" has he made?
 
2021-12-13 2:50:15 AM  
Hahaha... we're all gonna die
 
2021-12-13 8:35:44 AM  
It's hard to deny that an ongoing war could lead to war.
 
2021-12-13 8:36:16 AM  
"two countries that have been fighting for the last decade might go to war"

That's some fine analysis there, Lou.
 
2021-12-13 8:36:16 AM  
Well, it was nice knowing you, Mr. Muratov.
 
2021-12-13 8:40:11 AM  
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2021-12-13 8:42:24 AM  
Its "possible?" No shiat, where is my noble prize.

Its a classic scenario where neither side actually wants war but is posturing and threatening one in order to achieve a concession out of the other.  Russia wants anything from another chunk out of Ukraine to a pledge not to support Ukrainian NATO membership to reducing EU ties.  The US and Europe just want Russia to tacitly admit it can't get anything and go home with nothing.

On a side note this isn't at all like the 1938 Munich Agreement.  Hitler undoubtedly wanted a war, a huge war, because he saw it as a quick and feasible way to obtain his goals.  There's no indication Putin is making the same mistake of thinking a war in Europe would be quick or easy or even one he could ultimately win, but he is willing to risk stumbling into one in order to use the threat of it for a small win.
 
2021-12-13 8:43:06 AM  
"Moreover, in (the) heads of some crazy geopoliticians, a war between Russia and Ukraine is not something impossible any longer," he said.

Uh, I'm gonna assume this lost something in translation, as that war started years ago.

And if he's saying a more formal war is now possible, I think we all assumed that.
 
2021-12-13 8:45:08 AM  
The pretext to invade will probably happen within a year. It's time to break Russia's back and remove it from being of any serious consideration on the world stage.
 
2021-12-13 8:48:30 AM  
Yeah that crusty old pedo ain't putting that genie back in the bottle. Of course that won't stop him from trying to bring back his soviet glory days.
 
2021-12-13 8:51:54 AM  
Ukraine needs to realize ain't nobody gonna help them and ain't no way they can defeat Russia.

Nobody will help because Biden doesn't have what it takes to wrap a chain around Putin's head anymore.  He just wants to quietly make it to the end of his term and hand the problem off.
 
2021-12-13 8:51:57 AM  

GhostOfSavageHenry: Yeah that crusty old pedo ain't putting that genie back in the bottle. Of course that won't stop him from trying to bring back his soviet glory days.


That's a little rough. Biden was fairly moderate until recently.
 
2021-12-13 8:54:03 AM  
Nothing like ratcheting tensions to 11 so an errant sneeze can start the next regional conflict or even world war.

According to my research there should be a hard nosed captain and an idealistic second officer losing communications with headquarters and leading us through 90 minutes of high stakes tension.

At least that's what Siskel and Ebert taught me.
 
2021-12-13 8:55:32 AM  

AmbassadorBooze: Ukraine needs to realize ain't nobody gonna help them and ain't no way they can defeat Russia.

Nobody will help because Biden doesn't have what it takes to wrap a chain around Putin's head anymore.  He just wants to quietly make it to the end of his term and hand the problem off.


Yeah, cause making hard unpopular choices definitely isn't in Biden's wheel house. (Pulling out of Afghanistan and the vaccine mandate aside of course.) Do nothing old coot.
 
2021-12-13 8:57:24 AM  

Rucker10: AmbassadorBooze: Ukraine needs to realize ain't nobody gonna help them and ain't no way they can defeat Russia.

Nobody will help because Biden doesn't have what it takes to wrap a chain around Putin's head anymore.  He just wants to quietly make it to the end of his term and hand the problem off.

Yeah, cause making hard unpopular choices definitely isn't in Biden's wheel house. (Pulling out of Afghanistan and the vaccine mandate aside of course.) Do nothing old coot.


So, he does have what it takes to wrap a chain around Putin's head?  Are we polishing and fueling up the nukes?
 
2021-12-13 8:58:45 AM  

Meatsim1: Its a classic scenario where neither side actually wants war but is posturing and threatening one in order to achieve a concession out of the other


The problem is that Russia is on a timer. If they don't achieve a peace within the next decade or so they're utterly farked. I mean they're farked anyway, but all of those massive sustainable power plants in the EU start going online eventually, Ukraine collects enough hardware to fight back with offensive capability, and Turkey finishes their canal that closes off the whole reason they wanted Crimea in the first place. Putin screwed up, badly. Destabilizing the US and the EU with bad politics was supposed to take them off the board, Ukraine was demilitarized and managed by a Russian agent for over twenty years - it was supposed to collapse and fall entirely. It's all taken years longer than Russia's military probably promised, now we're in the desperate dick wagging stage of Putin's posturing.

The funny thing is, I don't think anything actually saves them. Russia's economy is not going to repair itself from Putin. It's just going to decline further and further until the only exports from Moscow are underaged prostitutes, depleted caviar reserves, and political refugees.
 
2021-12-13 9:04:02 AM  

big pig peaches: GhostOfSavageHenry: Yeah that crusty old pedo ain't putting that genie back in the bottle. Of course that won't stop him from trying to bring back his soviet glory days.

That's a little rough. Biden was fairly moderate until recently.


aaaand a swing and a miss. Thats why rw humor fails so hard, it tries so hard to get the "fark You" part out that the rest comes out looking like some nonsensical idiocy that makes zero sense. When has biden ever been even remotely soviet friendly? I mean he spent his entire career on the right end of the Democratic party screaming bout communism and throwing money and deregulation at corporations. Damn you folks are just not very bright. and that's what happens when you get all your "news" through memes.
 
2021-12-13 9:07:43 AM  
Avoid tall buildings, Mr. Russian Journalist.
 
2021-12-13 9:30:40 AM  
For planning purposes, remember the U.S. Marines no longer has tanks
 
2021-12-13 9:32:41 AM  

AmbassadorBooze: Ukraine needs to realize ain't nobody gonna help them and ain't no way they can defeat Russia.

Nobody will help because Biden doesn't have what it takes to wrap a chain around Putin's head anymore.  He just wants to quietly make it to the end of his term and hand the problem off.


From the "talking out of my ass dept, I'm Ambassador booze." :)

NATO is arming Ukraine and has been for some years now. The poles and balts are keen to see the russians get one in the nuts and while NATO countries cant actually send troops you betcher ass they're helping with loads of supplies, money, equipement, training...

G7's response to growing aggression

NATO wont go to war over it, but they'll push back.

So its clear to me the West will support UA against RU; what's not clear to me is what RU wants to get out of it. They're not going to be able to digest large pieces of UA which dont want to be russian. They can torture UA and make them bleed money, stability, troops...try to tip their govt over and keep them from being able to qualify for the EU and things of this nature, but its not like the Russians are in any position to actually "take" UA. THey'd get into an asymmetrical war they just wouldnt be able to win.
 
2021-12-13 9:37:50 AM  

AmbassadorBooze: Ukraine needs to realize ain't nobody gonna help them and ain't no way they can defeat Russia.

Nobody will help because Biden doesn't have what it takes to wrap a chain around Putin's head anymore.  He just wants to quietly make it to the end of his term and hand the problem off.


Could follow Afghanistan's model and let them in, bleed them financially while insurgents kill any Russian soldier dumb enough to stick his head out of a tank.  Eventually, the cost exceeds the benefits and maybe after Putin dies of a polonium related beverage, Russia will go home and work on Soviet Union 3.0 (a copy of EU 1.0)

Not sure how much the court of Public Opinion affects the Russians but Ukraine will have ex-pats in Europe detailing every atrocity.   Maybe hire the same PR firm that got us in to Desert Storm 1:  Saddam goes to Kuwait
 
2021-12-13 9:49:34 AM  

big pig peaches: GhostOfSavageHenry: Yeah that crusty old pedo ain't putting that genie back in the bottle. Of course that won't stop him from trying to bring back his soviet glory days.

That's a little rough. Biden was fairly moderate until recently.


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2021-12-13 9:50:39 AM  

Father_Jack: NATO is arming Ukraine and has been for some years now. The poles and balts are keen to see the russians get one in the nuts and while NATO countries cant actually send troops you betcher ass they're helping with loads of supplies, money, equipement, training...


Poland is getting pretty sick of the refugee bullshiat Belarus is doing on Putin's behalf. 

If they go hot in Ukraine, I can see the Poles making themselves available to defend Ukraine..
 
2021-12-13 9:50:55 AM  

AmbassadorBooze: Rucker10: AmbassadorBooze: Ukraine needs to realize ain't nobody gonna help them and ain't no way they can defeat Russia.

Nobody will help because Biden doesn't have what it takes to wrap a chain around Putin's head anymore.  He just wants to quietly make it to the end of his term and hand the problem off.

Yeah, cause making hard unpopular choices definitely isn't in Biden's wheel house. (Pulling out of Afghanistan and the vaccine mandate aside of course.) Do nothing old coot.

So, he does have what it takes to wrap a chain around Putin's head?  Are we polishing and fueling up the nukes?


Who puts a chain around someone's head?
 
2021-12-13 9:53:22 AM  
For awhile Russia had the advantage and could just sort of wait out the rebels slow slog. Recently those tanks have been going boom boom which is why pootie poot is in a panick and wanting to drop the veil and just have Russia take the whole thing. I don't think he's ready for the difficult occupation to come if they did win, this is a whole new crop of Ukrainians.
 
2021-12-13 9:53:23 AM  

guestguy: AmbassadorBooze: Rucker10: AmbassadorBooze: Ukraine needs to realize ain't nobody gonna help them and ain't no way they can defeat Russia.

Nobody will help because Biden doesn't have what it takes to wrap a chain around Putin's head anymore.  He just wants to quietly make it to the end of his term and hand the problem off.

Yeah, cause making hard unpopular choices definitely isn't in Biden's wheel house. (Pulling out of Afghanistan and the vaccine mandate aside of course.) Do nothing old coot.

So, he does have what it takes to wrap a chain around Putin's head?  Are we polishing and fueling up the nukes?

Who puts a chain around someone's head?


Its poorly translated from Russian meaning: "In Russia Chain not only gets nyek but also hyed."
 
2021-12-13 9:53:37 AM  

guestguy: AmbassadorBooze: Rucker10: AmbassadorBooze: Ukraine needs to realize ain't nobody gonna help them and ain't no way they can defeat Russia.

Nobody will help because Biden doesn't have what it takes to wrap a chain around Putin's head anymore.  He just wants to quietly make it to the end of his term and hand the problem off.

Yeah, cause making hard unpopular choices definitely isn't in Biden's wheel house. (Pulling out of Afghanistan and the vaccine mandate aside of course.) Do nothing old coot.

So, he does have what it takes to wrap a chain around Putin's head?  Are we polishing and fueling up the nukes?

Who puts a chain around someone's head?


Patriotic American butches president when he goes to sexy up for the discotheque.

Any other cuckident is no macho g i joe and I thinks maybe Russian spy

/comrade
 
2021-12-13 10:09:20 AM  

Olthoi: The pretext to invade will probably happen within a year. It's time to break Russia's back and remove it from being of any serious consideration on the world stage.


Off you go, then.
 
2021-12-13 10:17:42 AM  
I mean, Ukraine snubbed NATO and EU membership. But it was also because of a Russian agent President.

We have no formal obligations to defend them... but I'll be there's at least a few thousand NATO troops who would LOVE a paid vacation to Eastern Ukraine.

And if they want to bring their war planes and tanks with them? The Russians didn't stop their soldiers from vacationing with theirs and their morale has never been higher!

We could learn a thing or two from those Ruskies.

We could also forget a lot more of the lessons we've already learned.
 
2021-12-13 10:19:58 AM  

HypnozombieX: For awhile Russia had the advantage and could just sort of wait out the rebels slow slog. Recently those tanks have been going boom boom which is why pootie poot is in a panick and wanting to drop the veil and just have Russia take the whole thing. I don't think he's ready for the difficult occupation to come if they did win, this is a whole new crop of Ukrainians all together.


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2021-12-13 10:26:24 AM  

Olthoi: The pretext to invade will probably happen within a year. It's time to break Russia's back and remove it from being of any serious consideration on the world stage.


Difficulty: all those nukes.
 
2021-12-13 10:39:38 AM  
Got to spend all that historically largest defense bill on something.
 
2021-12-13 10:42:13 AM  
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2021-12-13 10:48:04 AM  

valenumr: Olthoi: The pretext to invade will probably happen within a year. It's time to break Russia's back and remove it from being of any serious consideration on the world stage.

Difficulty: all those nukes.


Soviet-era nukes, maintained by Russian conscript soldiers using Russian manufacturing and whatever they can smuggle through the sanctions and also afford after they've paid for their mansions, private armies, megayachts, etc. Mind you, Soviet nukes weren't brilliantly maintained even when they were brand new. Russians just aren't known for meticulously maintaining stuff, which is fine if what you're talking about is all built to get the sides kicked in and still start in a Russian winter but less fun if it means it's been slowly leaking toxic fuel fumes into an enclosed silo for several decades and might detonate there when launched.
 
2021-12-13 10:48:33 AM  

MisterMook: Meatsim1: Its a classic scenario where neither side actually wants war but is posturing and threatening one in order to achieve a concession out of the other

The problem is that Russia is on a timer. If they don't achieve a peace within the next decade or so they're utterly farked. I mean they're farked anyway, but all of those massive sustainable power plants in the EU start going online eventually, Ukraine collects enough hardware to fight back with offensive capability, and Turkey finishes their canal that closes off the whole reason they wanted Crimea in the first place. Putin screwed up, badly. Destabilizing the US and the EU with bad politics was supposed to take them off the board, Ukraine was demilitarized and managed by a Russian agent for over twenty years - it was supposed to collapse and fall entirely. It's all taken years longer than Russia's military probably promised, now we're in the desperate dick wagging stage of Putin's posturing.

The funny thing is, I don't think anything actually saves them. Russia's economy is not going to repair itself from Putin. It's just going to decline further and further until the only exports from Moscow are underaged prostitutes, depleted caviar reserves, and political refugees.


Counting on Europe ending its reliance on gas and fossil fuels in ten years is a losing bet.  And counting on Ukrainian stability and military capability being able to beat Russia any time soon is farfetched
 
2021-12-13 10:48:37 AM  
This whole Russia thing is on the EU.  Clearly it has no stomach for armed conflict, even if a country in its back yard is invaded.

What do "economic sanctions" matter to Russia, if they can simply invade countries and take whatever they want?

Putin needs to believe he and Russia face annihilation if he decides to invade another country.  Otherwise this is going to play out the same way it has multiple times in the past. (In a big war)
 
2021-12-13 11:00:14 AM  

AmbassadorBooze: Ukraine needs to realize ain't nobody gonna help them and ain't no way they can defeat Russia.


We know how to make decent winter coats now.

- Love Canada, a NATO country.
 
2021-12-13 11:05:03 AM  

MisterMook: Meatsim1: Its a classic scenario where neither side actually wants war but is posturing and threatening one in order to achieve a concession out of the other

The problem is that Russia is on a timer. If they don't achieve a peace within the next decade or so they're utterly farked. I mean they're farked anyway, but all of those massive sustainable power plants in the EU start going online eventually, Ukraine collects enough hardware to fight back with offensive capability, and Turkey finishes their canal that closes off the whole reason they wanted Crimea in the first place. Putin screwed up, badly. Destabilizing the US and the EU with bad politics was supposed to take them off the board, Ukraine was demilitarized and managed by a Russian agent for over twenty years - it was supposed to collapse and fall entirely. It's all taken years longer than Russia's military probably promised, now we're in the desperate dick wagging stage of Putin's posturing.

The funny thing is, I don't think anything actually saves them. Russia's economy is not going to repair itself from Putin. It's just going to decline further and further until the only exports from Moscow are underaged prostitutes, depleted caviar reserves, and political refugees.


Putin isn't going to fade away quietly as the timer counts down.  If Russia doesn't have or can't make what it needs/wants.....he's going to try and take it. (See Crimea)

Sure, western countries have it made and would love to avoid war.  That isn't the case for slowly dying egomaniac dictators.

We need to project power now, Be willing to tolerate some armed conflict now.   To avoid a lot of it in the future.
 
2021-12-13 11:07:14 AM  

Meatsim1: Counting on Europe ending its reliance on gas and fossil fuels in ten years is a losing bet.  And counting on Ukrainian stability and military capability being able to beat Russia any time soon is farfetched


Doesn't have to completely end its reliance to make an enormous dent in Russia's economy since Russia is essentially a single-product petrol state at this point. Also, Ukraine doesn't have to be able to beat Russia in Moscow, it has to beat Russia in Kyiv where, unlike Russia, it's at the end of a supply chain where people are sending replacement parts and aid. Meanwhile, Russia just gets more and more isolated and poor.
 
2021-12-13 11:19:47 AM  

Meatsim1: On a side note this isn't at all like the 1938 Munich Agreement.  Hitler undoubtedly wanted a war, a huge war, because he saw it as a quick and feasible way to obtain his goals.  There's no indication Putin is making the same mistake of thinking a war in Europe would be quick or easy or even one he could ultimately win, but he is willing to risk stumbling into one in order to use the threat of it for a small win.


Actually occupying other countries has become gauche for anyone except the United States.  Russia may not want war, but it wants to control the countries around it with the threat of force.  They aren't very good at finding legitimate sounding pretexts for it since the thing they most want to prevent is democracy or self-determination.

Of course the U.S. has a long history of that too.

The Ukraine should have never given up their nukes without a promise of NATO membership.
 
2021-12-13 11:29:53 AM  
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2021-12-13 11:31:11 AM  

MisterMook: Meatsim1: Counting on Europe ending its reliance on gas and fossil fuels in ten years is a losing bet.  And counting on Ukrainian stability and military capability being able to beat Russia any time soon is farfetched

Doesn't have to completely end its reliance to make an enormous dent in Russia's economy since Russia is essentially a single-product petrol state at this point. Also, Ukraine doesn't have to be able to beat Russia in Moscow, it has to beat Russia in Kyiv where, unlike Russia, it's at the end of a supply chain where people are sending replacement parts and aid. Meanwhile, Russia just gets more and more isolated and poor.


I would think Russia's eyes are just on southeast Ukraine that is still largely pro-russian and would provide an overland connection to Crimea. I don't think they would try to take the whole country, or even get near kyiv. One bite at a time.
 
2021-12-13 12:23:53 PM  

thehobbes: Father_Jack: NATO is arming Ukraine and has been for some years now. The poles and balts are keen to see the russians get one in the nuts and while NATO countries cant actually send troops you betcher ass they're helping with loads of supplies, money, equipement, training...

Poland is getting pretty sick of the refugee bullshiat Belarus is doing on Putin's behalf. 

If they go hot in Ukraine, I can see the Poles making themselves available to defend Ukraine..


they cant tho. they cant act unilaterally, thats part of the NATO thing.

also, the byelorus thing diffused, if you missed that. Merkel brokered somethign and they got put back on planes, last i checked. this is no longer a big issue, and certainly not a flashpoint.
 
2021-12-13 12:32:56 PM  
HoratioGates:

The Ukraine should have never given up their nukes without a promise of NATO membership.

First off its just "Ukraine" not "The Ukraine"

Secondly, how exactly are nuclear weapons going to help defeat a foreign backed separatist movement?  What are you gonna do? Nuke Moscow? That'll just get you nuked in return and then what have you accomplished?
 
2021-12-13 12:38:46 PM  

Father_Jack: AmbassadorBooze: Ukraine needs to realize ain't nobody gonna help them and ain't no way they can defeat Russia.

Nobody will help because Biden doesn't have what it takes to wrap a chain around Putin's head anymore.  He just wants to quietly make it to the end of his term and hand the problem off.

From the "talking out of my ass dept, I'm Ambassador booze." :)

NATO is arming Ukraine and has been for some years now. The poles and balts are keen to see the russians get one in the nuts and while NATO countries cant actually send troops you betcher ass they're helping with loads of supplies, money, equipement, training...

G7's response to growing aggression

NATO wont go to war over it, but they'll push back.

So its clear to me the West will support UA against RU; what's not clear to me is what RU wants to get out of it. They're not going to be able to digest large pieces of UA which dont want to be russian. They can torture UA and make them bleed money, stability, troops...try to tip their govt over and keep them from being able to qualify for the EU and things of this nature, but its not like the Russians are in any position to actually "take" UA. THey'd get into an asymmetrical war they just wouldnt be able to win.


Russia isn't stupid enough to go in and just let Ukraine kill them insurgent style.  After the first few captains are killed, Russia will go door to door exterminating people.  Problem solved.

Ain't nobody gonna save Ukraine.
 
2021-12-13 12:39:48 PM  

GrizzlyPouch: MisterMook: Meatsim1: Its a classic scenario where neither side actually wants war but is posturing and threatening one in order to achieve a concession out of the other

The problem is that Russia is on a timer. If they don't achieve a peace within the next decade or so they're utterly farked. I mean they're farked anyway, but all of those massive sustainable power plants in the EU start going online eventually, Ukraine collects enough hardware to fight back with offensive capability, and Turkey finishes their canal that closes off the whole reason they wanted Crimea in the first place. Putin screwed up, badly. Destabilizing the US and the EU with bad politics was supposed to take them off the board, Ukraine was demilitarized and managed by a Russian agent for over twenty years - it was supposed to collapse and fall entirely. It's all taken years longer than Russia's military probably promised, now we're in the desperate dick wagging stage of Putin's posturing.

The funny thing is, I don't think anything actually saves them. Russia's economy is not going to repair itself from Putin. It's just going to decline further and further until the only exports from Moscow are underaged prostitutes, depleted caviar reserves, and political refugees.

Putin isn't going to fade away quietly as the timer counts down.  If Russia doesn't have or can't make what it needs/wants.....he's going to try and take it. (See Crimea)

Sure, western countries have it made and would love to avoid war.  That isn't the case for slowly dying egomaniac dictators.

We need to project power now, Be willing to tolerate some armed conflict now.   To avoid a lot of it in the future.


You're misreading Russia.  Russia and Putin don't feel like they are a declining power that needs to act as quickly and boldly as it can to take whatever it can or "win" the competition with Europe while it still stands a chance.  Russia and Putin feel like a rising power that's creating conflict and making demands because it feels capable of getting concessions, not because it feels desperate.  Russia has made great advances in air defense technology, expanded its weapons industry, developed hypersonic weapons, etc.  Russia feels its on the rise, not on the decline.

Russia also understands that its not powerful enough to go toe to toe with the US and Europe, which is why it engages in unconventional warfare and means of competition to undermine and destabilize.  Its a cost effective way to engage its opponents that negates their conventional military strength.  

But don't make the mistake that Putin is desperate, desperate leaders don't engage in conflicts like Ukraine for nearing a decade now patiently waiting for opportunities.  They lash out looking for any possible way to win, Putin is not lashing out in the grand scheme of things
 
2021-12-13 12:39:49 PM  

guestguy: AmbassadorBooze: Rucker10: AmbassadorBooze: Ukraine needs to realize ain't nobody gonna help them and ain't no way they can defeat Russia.

Nobody will help because Biden doesn't have what it takes to wrap a chain around Putin's head anymore.  He just wants to quietly make it to the end of his term and hand the problem off.

Yeah, cause making hard unpopular choices definitely isn't in Biden's wheel house. (Pulling out of Afghanistan and the vaccine mandate aside of course.) Do nothing old coot.

So, he does have what it takes to wrap a chain around Putin's head?  Are we polishing and fueling up the nukes?

Who puts a chain around someone's head?


Biden does.  He threatened to do it to Cornpop and that made cornpop run off.
 
2021-12-13 12:46:58 PM  

Father_Jack: thehobbes: Father_Jack: NATO is arming Ukraine and has been for some years now. The poles and balts are keen to see the russians get one in the nuts and while NATO countries cant actually send troops you betcher ass they're helping with loads of supplies, money, equipement, training...

Poland is getting pretty sick of the refugee bullshiat Belarus is doing on Putin's behalf. 

If they go hot in Ukraine, I can see the Poles making themselves available to defend Ukraine..

they cant tho. they cant act unilaterally, thats part of the NATO thing.


Sure they can, we do all the time. NATO is a defensive alliance, not a government. Members still control their own foreign policy.
 
2021-12-13 12:55:58 PM  

Sabreace22: Nothing like ratcheting tensions to 11 so an errant sneeze can start the next regional conflict or even world war.

According to my research there should be a hard nosed captain and an idealistic second officer losing communications with headquarters and leading us through 90 minutes of high stakes tension.

At least that's what Siskel and Ebert taught me.


*pours one out for Tony Scott 🥃

**considers

What the hell, Monday is always my day off anyway.

***drinks the second one 🥃
 
2021-12-13 12:57:37 PM  

Meatsim1: HoratioGates:
First off its just "Ukraine" not "The Ukraine"


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