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2021-12-11 1:20:23 PM  
Bob Ryan is technically correct although for a writer, he did a poor job of articulating his point.

Many teams & players are not particularly good at shooting 3s (see Westbrook, Russell). But that's never stopped people from shooting them in spite of the fact that they aren't good at them.

If he wants to blame anyone for this, don't blame Steph Curry for this. Blame Daryl Morey for emphasizing that teams shoot more 3s in spite of what their talents are.
 
2021-12-11 1:56:46 PM  
There's an old man yells at clouds aspect to this.

Games change.
 
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2021-12-11 4:23:27 PM  
"stop being good at what you're good at"

Shut up gramps
 
2021-12-11 4:35:37 PM  
Area man passionate defender of what he imagines basketball to be.
 
2021-12-11 4:40:25 PM  
Huh at first I thought this was going to be about the Arky coach being thrown out of the game against Oklahoma.
 
2021-12-11 4:50:01 PM  

Gubbo: There's an old man yells at clouds aspect to this.

Games change.


Exactly. Games evolve over time. The NFL may one day allow for a defender on a platform to block FG kicks.
 
2021-12-11 5:02:26 PM  
Yeah, much like the NBA sucked ass for a decade-plus because people wanted to "be like Mike" but Mike's style sucked ass unless you were one of the five best players in NBA history, a league where you HAVE to shoot 30-plus times a game to be competitive sucks, too.

And he's right about it affecting kids and that ensuring everything sucks at the lowest levels of the sport, too. Everyone's a chucker.
 
2021-12-11 5:04:14 PM  
Steph Curry shoots sh*tty shots, but they're not sh*tty for him, because he can make 'em. You can't. You're not Steph Curry. Don't try to be Steph Curry.
 
2021-12-11 5:06:54 PM  
Straight Outta Wells Branch:

If he wants to blame anyone for this, don't blame Steph Curry for this. Blame Daryl Morey for emphasizing that teams shoot more 3s in spite of what their talents are.


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2021-12-11 5:10:21 PM  
Yes, because basketball was so much better in the 1990s/2000s when it was a bunch of giants that couldn't hit a jumper to save their lives backing down someone in the paint 30 times a game.

As a fan you just have to learn to appreciate the game for what it is...or not, and just complain for the rest of your life.

I love how Steph plays the game, and I would have had so much more appreciation of the game as a kid with a guy like that as an MVP-type talent versus the Shaq, Jordan, etc that I grew up watching.
 
2021-12-11 5:11:20 PM  

LewDux: Straight Outta Wells Branch:

If he wants to blame anyone for this, don't blame Steph Curry for this. Blame Daryl Morey for emphasizing that teams shoot more 3s in spite of what their talents are.


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See that nice drop-off when the league moved the line back? Move it back again, eliminate the corner three. You'll get rid of those anchors that keep a defense spread out, the remaining threes will be easier to defend, and then real basketball will be a viable way to win. #bringbackpostplay
 
2021-12-11 5:36:01 PM  
BTW, doing that won't hurt the true greats like Curry. It'll kill off the "3-and-D" guys, this generation's "talentless big man who has a job simply because he's tall".

Diversity of play makes the sport more interesting.

/It's an analytics issue for the NBA, not a Curry issue
//it's a Curry issue at the lower levels because taking a 30-footer with 20 seconds left on the shot clock is an OK play for him but Jesus, it sucks playing basketball with people that think that's how you're supposed to play basketball
///it's like playing Madden with someone who thinks you're supposed to do Hail Mary on every play
 
2021-12-11 5:48:00 PM  
Both of these things can be true: Steph Curry is an exceptionally talented 3-point shooter - easily the GOAT; and the overreliance on the 3-point shot has watered down the basketball product as every team tries to copy the Warrior's success but fail because most don't have a 3-point shooter of Curry's caliber.
 
2021-12-11 6:20:03 PM  
He's not wrong and I've enjoyed watching Curry, and Klay Thompson, for the whole of their run together.  Remember those Knicks teams from the mid 90s?  They spent a lot of time trying to play like the Pistons teams that preceded them but it was just toughness without the same level of talent.  A pale imitation of the original.

When you see two teams jacking up threes all night and missing most of them the game just isn't as much fun to watch.  And you have players taking shots they shouldn't.  I remember seeing the three point line moved in during the 90s as well.  That really didn't work.
 
2021-12-11 6:30:12 PM  

IAmRight: Diversity of play makes the sport more interesting.


Kobe Bryant won 5 rings by, well, being Kobe. Tim Duncan won 5 rings shooting an inordinate number of 12-foot jumpers off the glass.
 
2021-12-11 6:39:53 PM  

Gonz: IAmRight: Diversity of play makes the sport more interesting.

Kobe Bryant won 5 rings by, well, being Kobe. Tim Duncan won 5 rings shooting an inordinate number of 12-foot jumpers off the glass.


But those were two different competing styles. It wouldn't be as fun if they both played like each other.
 
2021-12-11 7:36:12 PM  
Ugh paywalled. What was his general complaint?
 
2021-12-11 8:41:02 PM  
Analytics is the problem. A 3pt shot is worth 33% more than a 2pt shot. So if you shoot 50% from 2 but 40% from 3 you would score 20 more points per game taking 100 shots.

The number of players who can reliably shoot 40% from 3 has been increasing as it has become more popular as a strategy.

If you really want to bring things back in line bring back the hand check.
 
2021-12-11 8:41:34 PM  
Worth 50% more, I math gud
 
2021-12-11 8:42:11 PM  

Botkin of the Yard: He's not wrong and I've enjoyed watching Curry, and Klay Thompson, for the whole of their run together.  Remember those Knicks teams from the mid 90s?  They spent a lot of time trying to play like the Pistons teams that preceded them but it was just toughness without the same level of talent.  A pale imitation of the original.

When you see two teams jacking up threes all night and missing most of them the game just isn't as much fun to watch.  And you have players taking shots they shouldn't.  I remember seeing the three point line moved in during the 90s as well.  That really didn't work.


That Pistons team was fantastic to watch . That Knicks team killed about 50% of my interest in the league.
 
2021-12-11 10:20:25 PM  

LewDux: Straight Outta Wells Branch:

If he wants to blame anyone for this, don't blame Steph Curry for this. Blame Daryl Morey for emphasizing that teams shoot more 3s in spite of what their talents are.


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You'll notice that the true spike occurred when Morey entered the league in 2003 & then it goes up significantly after he takes over the Rockets four years later.

But hey, I appreciate you making my point for me in graph form. Thank you.
 
2021-12-11 11:25:23 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: LewDux: Straight Outta Wells Branch:

If he wants to blame anyone for this, don't blame Steph Curry for this. Blame Daryl Morey for emphasizing that teams shoot more 3s in spite of what their talents are.


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You'll notice that the true spike occurred when Morey entered the league in 2003 & then it goes up significantly after he takes over the Rockets four years later.

But hey, I appreciate you making my point for me in graph form. Thank you.


BTW, the graph, if updated...the league is averaging over 35 threes attempted per game now and under 40 2-pointers.

Soon, teams will be taking more shots outside the arc than inside it, and that's asinine.
 
2021-12-11 11:33:48 PM  
Correction: I read the stats wrong.

But the league was shooting 18 threes a game a decade ago, now they're nearly double that.

There are more shots in general, so it went from 81 to 88 shots overall in that timeframe.

So it used to be 18/81 - 22% of FGA
Now it's 35/88 - 40% of FGA

Overall point still stands, it'll just take a little longer for threes to become the primary place people score.
 
2021-12-11 11:40:46 PM  
Or you'll get things like the Warriors tonight:

12/48 from 3
22/37 from 2

You look like a bunch of jagoffs when you keep taking 'em no matter how many you miss and you don't change your style. Good basketball teams should be able to play various ways - and you should have to be decent in playing each way to be a champion, not just overwhelm people with one way.
 
2021-12-12 12:04:39 AM  

IAmRight: Or you'll get things like the Warriors tonight:

12/48 from 3
22/37 from 2

You look like a bunch of jagoffs when you keep taking 'em no matter how many you miss and you don't change your style. Good basketball teams should be able to play various ways - and you should have to be decent in playing each way to be a champion, not just overwhelm people with one way.


Maybe Steph going for the all time 3 record played into that, plus it's weird to criticize the most successful franchise of the last decade for their play style. 2nd best team in the league without their 2nd best player. I'm trying to remember if you have an axe to grind with Curry, for some reason I feel like you do, which is unfortunate. Hate when bias impacts reason.
 
2021-12-12 12:17:21 AM  
in this generation, curry is more impactful than lebron or any other comparable star as far as i'm concerned.  He's a league changing talent vs the typical superstars that we've seen in the last 30 years.

Basically everyone else has had to "get good" in response or get left in the wake..   And yeah, the 3 pointer is central now as opposed to years past, but in the words of eddie vedder....its evolution baby.
 
2021-12-12 1:43:57 AM  

IAmRight: LewDux: Straight Outta Wells Branch:

If he wants to blame anyone for this, don't blame Steph Curry for this. Blame Daryl Morey for emphasizing that teams shoot more 3s in spite of what their talents are.


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See that nice drop-off when the league moved the line back? Move it back again, eliminate the corner three. You'll get rid of those anchors that keep a defense spread out, the remaining threes will be easier to defend, and then real basketball will be a viable way to win. #MA(ssociaction)GA

 
2021-12-12 2:39:21 AM  
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2021-12-12 11:42:13 AM  

IAmRight: LewDux: Straight Outta Wells Branch:

If he wants to blame anyone for this, don't blame Steph Curry for this. Blame Daryl Morey for emphasizing that teams shoot more 3s in spite of what their talents are.


[external-content.duckduckgo.com image 393x262]

See that nice drop-off when the league moved the line back? Move it back again, eliminate the corner three. You'll get rid of those anchors that keep a defense spread out, the remaining threes will be easier to defend, and then real basketball will be a viable way to win. #bringbackpostplay


Or get rid of the shot clock. Take away the pressure to throw up clumsy shots. Give the offense time to settle and find a good shot, and the defense time to fight for a turnover. Bring back real basketball.
 
2021-12-12 1:09:21 PM  

ciderczar: IAmRight: LewDux: Straight Outta Wells Branch:

If he wants to blame anyone for this, don't blame Steph Curry for this. Blame Daryl Morey for emphasizing that teams shoot more 3s in spite of what their talents are.


[external-content.duckduckgo.com image 393x262]

See that nice drop-off when the league moved the line back? Move it back again, eliminate the corner three. You'll get rid of those anchors that keep a defense spread out, the remaining threes will be easier to defend, and then real basketball will be a viable way to win. #bringbackpostplay

Or get rid of the shot clock. Take away the pressure to throw up clumsy shots. Give the offense time to settle and find a good shot, and the defense time to fight for a turnover. Bring back real basketball.


You're making a joke, right?
 
2021-12-12 2:07:31 PM  

ciderczar: IAmRight: LewDux: Straight Outta Wells Branch:

If he wants to blame anyone for this, don't blame Steph Curry for this. Blame Daryl Morey for emphasizing that teams shoot more 3s in spite of what their talents are.


[external-content.duckduckgo.com image 393x262]

See that nice drop-off when the league moved the line back? Move it back again, eliminate the corner three. You'll get rid of those anchors that keep a defense spread out, the remaining threes will be easier to defend, and then real basketball will be a viable way to win. #bringbackpostplay

Or get rid of the shot clock. Take away the pressure to throw up clumsy shots. Give the offense time to settle and find a good shot, and the defense time to fight for a turnover. Bring back real basketball.


i think NBA should be outdoor NBA, then players would have to adjust to factors like wind, crowd, and assfault. players like rafer alston would be best in this environment because he can adjust to the elementals. ithink best team would be magic because he knows how to play street ball. played like half man half amazing could then be NBA all stars and revenue would be better because how big is outdoor? can hold millions. NBA will benefit, and so will players and fans. and also you can bring pets to game because it's outdoor.
 
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