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2021-12-10 5:49:01 PM  
"Ultimately, an accusation of queerbaiting is an accusation that writers are using a queer story to draw in an audience, but they don't make that romance explicit."

I suggest we make this a federal felony, next up on the SCOTUS docket.
 
2021-12-10 7:21:10 PM  
"Shipping" is creepy, weird, pathetic and gross in every single case. These kind of deeply embarrassing thoughts belong in people's diaries and not in view of the public
 
2021-12-10 7:23:56 PM  
It's a family show. What do you want, the 42-minute version of Room in Rome?
 
2021-12-10 7:33:52 PM  
There's porn for that, ya farking' chuds.
 
2021-12-10 7:34:42 PM  

kryptoknightmare: "Shipping" is creepy, weird, pathetic and gross in every single case. These kind of deeply embarrassing thoughts belong in people's diaries and not in view of the public


I learned a new word today, and it wasn't horrifying like I expected it to be.
 
2021-12-10 7:38:38 PM  
See, back in my day, we just mashed Barbies and GI Joes together and that passed for shipping.
 
2021-12-10 7:39:42 PM  

I Like Bread: It's a family show. What do you want, the 42-minute version of Room in Rome?


"Gay people existing" is still a family show...

Fortunately Wheel of Time has decided to make the subtext the text, because it's 2021, and people can cope.
 
2021-12-10 7:43:40 PM  
Why are there so many gay women in the DC shows but are there any gay men?

Constantine was bi but they killed him off.  Gary isn't human but...I guess he counts as bi.
 
2021-12-10 7:44:43 PM  
The problem is the sense of entitlement.

The two actresses had chemistry, so the writing tailored to it.  Then fan entitlement kicks in.

Yes, the show could have gone the gay route.  But its not exactly like they dodged that with the rest of the ensemble/plotlines.  There's a point where criticizing a show for not representing is ludicrous, when you know... the show went out of its way to be representative to a near unprecedented level.
 
2021-12-10 7:48:45 PM  
"No, the two characters have never dated or been explicitly portrayed as love interests."

Well then, this betrayal was clearly a violation of all we knew to be true of Kara. String them up and put their next show on Crackle or whatever as punishment.

I assume the people mad about this are the same people who thought Hermione and Luna were going to make out in the final scenes of Deathly Hallows.
 
2021-12-10 7:49:01 PM  
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2021-12-10 8:08:54 PM  
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2021-12-10 8:10:05 PM  
Jesus. Just go to any porn site and type "lesbian superhero" into the search engine. My friend said you'll find what you're looking for.
 
2021-12-10 8:11:43 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: Jesus. Just go to any porn site and type "lesbian superhero" into the search engine. My friend said you'll find what you're looking for.


Your....friend said....sure.
 
2021-12-10 8:12:16 PM  

Xander_CDN: Why are there so many gay women in the DC shows but are there any gay men?

Constantine was bi but they killed him off.  Gary isn't human but...I guess he counts as bi.


At least they have some LGBTQ representatives.  I can't think of a single one in the Marvel shows.
 
2021-12-10 8:13:08 PM  
After six seasons, "Supergirl"

SIX SEASONS?

I thought it was pretty brand new. No wait, I'm thinking of that other show....Something Girl...?
 
2021-12-10 8:15:10 PM  

Xander_CDN: Why are there so many gay women in the DC shows but are there any gay men?

Constantine was bi but they killed him off.  Gary isn't human but...I guess he counts as bi.


Negative Man on Doom Patrol.
 
2021-12-10 8:16:14 PM  

Xander_CDN: Why are there so many gay women in the DC shows but are there any gay men?

Constantine was bi but they killed him off.  Gary isn't human but...I guess he counts as bi.


Flash is gay but everything happens so fast that no one can see it.
 
2021-12-10 8:17:28 PM  

Flappyhead: Xander_CDN: Why are there so many gay women in the DC shows but are there any gay men?

Constantine was bi but they killed him off.  Gary isn't human but...I guess he counts as bi.

At least they have some LGBTQ representatives.  I can't think of a single one in the Marvel shows.


Loki is bi.
 
2021-12-10 8:18:51 PM  

kryptoknightmare: "Shipping" is creepy, weird, pathetic and gross in every single case. These kind of deeply embarrassing thoughts belong in people's diaries and not in view of the public


Shipping characters is fine and normal. Fan entitlement is the problem.

Now, shipping celebrities is creepy, weird, pathetic and gross.
 
2021-12-10 8:25:33 PM  

Flappyhead: Xander_CDN: Why are there so many gay women in the DC shows but are there any gay men?

Constantine was bi but they killed him off.  Gary isn't human but...I guess he counts as bi.

At least they have some LGBTQ representatives.  I can't think of a single one in the Marvel shows.


Black widow for certain knows the art of scissoring.  And we all know that tony stark is robosexual.  Thor and jane foster are not even the same species.  And the animated version of Darcy Lewis married and presumably had sex with a space duck.
 
2021-12-10 8:47:05 PM  

Xander_CDN: Why are there so many gay women in the DC shows but are there any gay men?

Constantine was bi but they killed him off.  Gary isn't human but...I guess he counts as bi.


They had Curtis on Arrow.  His husband left him after his secret vigilante life came out.

Captain Cold was bi, and his doppelgänger Citizen Cold was in a relationship with Ray.
 
2021-12-10 8:56:16 PM  
Spoiler:


Kara took off her glasses, said goodbye to the secret identity, and stopped loving a lie. It's totally a coming-out metaphor.
 
2021-12-10 8:56:43 PM  
Probably the same people or at least adjacent to them, that wanted to make Steve Rogers and Bucky gay for each other.
 
2021-12-10 9:00:49 PM  

Trik: Probably the same people or at least adjacent to them, that wanted to make Steve Rogers and Bucky gay for each other.


Sebastian Stan would say he played it that way, and Evens would say he knew, but played Rogers as being SUPER naive
 
2021-12-10 9:15:42 PM  

Lexington Craddock: Flappyhead: Xander_CDN: Why are there so many gay women in the DC shows but are there any gay men?

Constantine was bi but they killed him off.  Gary isn't human but...I guess he counts as bi.

At least they have some LGBTQ representatives.  I can't think of a single one in the Marvel shows.

Loki is bi.


Only with himself.
 
2021-12-10 9:16:22 PM  

Flappyhead: Lexington Craddock: Flappyhead: Xander_CDN: Why are there so many gay women in the DC shows but are there any gay men?

Constantine was bi but they killed him off.  Gary isn't human but...I guess he counts as bi.

At least they have some LGBTQ representatives.  I can't think of a single one in the Marvel shows.

Loki is bi.

Only with himself.


The ultimate narcissistic fantasy
 
2021-12-10 9:20:18 PM  
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2021-12-10 9:28:44 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Flappyhead: Xander_CDN: Why are there so many gay women in the DC shows but are there any gay men?

Constantine was bi but they killed him off.  Gary isn't human but...I guess he counts as bi.

At least they have some LGBTQ representatives.  I can't think of a single one in the Marvel shows.

Black widow for certain knows the art of scissoring.  And we all know that tony stark is robosexual.  Thor and jane foster are not even the same species.  And the animated version of Darcy Lewis married and presumably had sex with a space duck.


Valkyrie I believe is coming out in the new Thor.  I would not be surprised if Drax came out as a bear in an upcoming movie, might be why he thinks Mantis is hideous.
 
2021-12-10 9:36:33 PM  

Xander_CDN: Why are there so many gay women in the DC shows but are there any gay men?

Constantine was bi but they killed him off.  Gary isn't human but...I guess he counts as bi.


There's been a couple of gay men.  But for some reason every female superhero is supposed to be a lesbian (or bi) according to the fan base.  What's worse, is the fans get seriously angry when told no.
 
2021-12-10 9:39:14 PM  
At this point, are there any hetero superheroes? The amount of obvious race and gender identity cash grabbing is pretty laughable at this point. It's like they don't want you to see them as superheroes but only as gay, bisexual, women, disabled, black, Asian, Hispanic, or Native American. This is does a massive disservice and has the entirely opposite effect. Hetero characters can be hetero and the story does not even bring it up, but LGBTQ characters? Oh boy, it is going to overshadow any sort of character building and their sexuality define the character in most cases. I think that is really sad because somehow it makes inequalities be amplified. Now, I am not LGBTQ, but I wouldn't think equality means everyone focusing on your sexuality, rather it just be accepted, casual, and non-binding to my character. Superhero shows and movies have somehow managed to do the opposite.
 
2021-12-10 9:39:26 PM  
Meh. I thought the ending was true-to-tone for the rest of the series and an obvious love letter to the fans. I don't think any romance in that area was necessary.
 
2021-12-10 9:44:31 PM  

Alphax: Xander_CDN: Why are there so many gay women in the DC shows but are there any gay men?

Constantine was bi but they killed him off.  Gary isn't human but...I guess he counts as bi.

They had Curtis on Arrow.  His husband left him after his secret vigilante life came out.

Captain Cold was bi, and his doppelgänger Citizen Cold was in a relationship with Ray.


Thank you.  I was sure there were some but, for the life of me, couldn't think of any.  
(And they killed Captain Cold so....)
 
2021-12-10 9:45:24 PM  
What did they want, a Legend of Korra ending?
 
2021-12-10 9:48:27 PM  
The good news is that we've hit peak First World problems.
 
2021-12-10 10:05:40 PM  

Xander_CDN: Why are there so many gay women in the DC shows but are there any gay men?

Constantine was bi but they killed him off.  Gary isn't human but...I guess he counts as bi.


Mister Terrific Arrow.
William (Oliver Queen's son) Arrow
Captain Singh (now chief Singh) Flash
Citizen Cold and The Ray from Earth X (crossover episodes)
Pied Piper Flash
Wolf Spider Batwoman

stepping away from the Arrowverse
Penguin Gotham
Negative Man and Danny the Street  Doom Patrol
Jericho Titans
Aqualad Young Justice
 
2021-12-10 10:13:48 PM  
Supper pissed off because *one* fan theory you had didn't come true?

LOSTies point and laugh.

/I decided that this isn't enough to count as a toxic fandom.
 
2021-12-10 10:32:53 PM  

Glorious Golden Ass: kryptoknightmare: "Shipping" is creepy, weird, pathetic and gross in every single case. These kind of deeply embarrassing thoughts belong in people's diaries and not in view of the public

I learned a new word today, and it wasn't horrifying like I expected it to be.


Krypto certainly made it out to horrendous. Urban dictionary gives N example of it as "those two would be cute together".

Meh.
 
2021-12-10 10:33:25 PM  

Small Town Misfit: kryptoknightmare: "Shipping" is creepy, weird, pathetic and gross in every single case. These kind of deeply embarrassing thoughts belong in people's diaries and not in view of the public

Shipping characters is fine and normal. Fan entitlement is the problem.

Now, shipping celebrities is creepy, weird, pathetic and gross.


If Rap Master and Hwa Sa don't get married, I am GOING TO RIOT!
 
2021-12-10 10:35:30 PM  

Lexington Craddock: Flappyhead: Xander_CDN: Why are there so many gay women in the DC shows but are there any gay men?

Constantine was bi but they killed him off.  Gary isn't human but...I guess he counts as bi.

At least they have some LGBTQ representatives.  I can't think of a single one in the Marvel shows.

Loki is bi.


Negasonic Teenage Warhead is clearly open to relationships with other females. Deadpool himself is pansexual.
 
2021-12-10 11:29:33 PM  

Thunderboy: Lexington Craddock: Flappyhead: Xander_CDN: Why are there so many gay women in the DC shows but are there any gay men?

Constantine was bi but they killed him off.  Gary isn't human but...I guess he counts as bi.

At least they have some LGBTQ representatives.  I can't think of a single one in the Marvel shows.

Loki is bi.

Negasonic Teenage Warhead is clearly open to relationships with other females. Deadpool himself is pansexual.


I haven't seen Eternals yet but I thought one or more characters were gay?
 
2021-12-10 11:32:49 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: At this point, are there any hetero superheroes? The amount of obvious race and gender identity cash grabbing is pretty laughable at this point. It's like they don't want you to see them as superheroes but only as gay, bisexual, women, disabled, black, Asian, Hispanic, or Native American. This is does a massive disservice and has the entirely opposite effect. Hetero characters can be hetero and the story does not even bring it up, but LGBTQ characters? Oh boy, it is going to overshadow any sort of character building and their sexuality define the character in most cases. I think that is really sad because somehow it makes inequalities be amplified. Now, I am not LGBTQ, but I wouldn't think equality means everyone focusing on your sexuality, rather it just be accepted, casual, and non-binding to my character. Superhero shows and movies have somehow managed to do the opposite.


See, that's the problem. The act of making any character anything but a white male is seen as baiting. Just like a person putting up a picture of his/her same sex partner is considered aggressive, even though straight people can put up all they want.
 
2021-12-11 12:37:32 AM  

GardenWeasel: the money is in the banana stand: At this point, are there any hetero superheroes? The amount of obvious race and gender identity cash grabbing is pretty laughable at this point. It's like they don't want you to see them as superheroes but only as gay, bisexual, women, disabled, black, Asian, Hispanic, or Native American. This is does a massive disservice and has the entirely opposite effect. Hetero characters can be hetero and the story does not even bring it up, but LGBTQ characters? Oh boy, it is going to overshadow any sort of character building and their sexuality define the character in most cases. I think that is really sad because somehow it makes inequalities be amplified. Now, I am not LGBTQ, but I wouldn't think equality means everyone focusing on your sexuality, rather it just be accepted, casual, and non-binding to my character. Superhero shows and movies have somehow managed to do the opposite.

See, that's the problem. The act of making any character anything but a white male is seen as baiting. Just like a person putting up a picture of his/her same sex partner is considered aggressive, even though straight people can put up all they want.


No. That is not what I am saying at all. There are plenty of heterosexual characters that we do not get any sort of romantic love story, love interests, comments on sexuality and really, the subject isn't even brought up (we do not even think about it because it is irelevant). With LGBTQ characters, almost every episode or at constant points in the film, those things are brought up and almost always in very stereotypical ways and not casually. It is less about the character being a hero, and more story telling that the character is not heterosexual, like this matters at all for the story. In my mind, it doesn't. I don't care what the character's sexual orientation is and most of the time, it has no bearing on the story or the character development.

I am all for diversity and giving kids role models to look up to, even if they are fictional superheroes, but it is done in a way that feels dirty and predatory shoehorning it in to appear woke when, if you read the stories that come out of those Hollywood studios, it appears they do not practice what they preach.

One last quick comparison, but I don't think Blade (Snipes) being black was ever even really acknowledged. He was just a badass day walker. This is a stark (hah) comparison to Black Panther which is essentially the central theme of the entire film. Granted, BP was a fairly decent movie and Chadwick Boseman (RIP) was an amazing actor, but a formula is being utilized now. It does not seem natural but painfully forced. To me, this creates a very awkward film and detracts from the character and story building.
 
2021-12-11 12:47:07 AM  
Hell there are fans that imagine a relationship between Kirk and Spock.


The Arrowverse shows have not been shy about having same sex relationships. But that being said, that two actors having on-screen chemistry does not mean that the characters are a thing nor should it.
 
2021-12-11 1:03:22 AM  

GardenWeasel: Thunderboy: Lexington Craddock: Flappyhead: Xander_CDN: Why are there so many gay women in the DC shows but are there any gay men?

Constantine was bi but they killed him off.  Gary isn't human but...I guess he counts as bi.

At least they have some LGBTQ representatives.  I can't think of a single one in the Marvel shows.

Loki is bi.

Negasonic Teenage Warhead is clearly open to relationships with other females. Deadpool himself is pansexual.

I haven't seen Eternals yet but I thought one or more characters were gay?


One had a mortal husband, and an adopted son.
 
2021-12-11 1:19:47 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: Hell there are fans that imagine a relationship between Kirk and Spock.


Random factoid, that's what started the slashfic genre.
 
2021-12-11 2:30:14 AM  
Is this going to be Johnlock all over again?
 
2021-12-11 3:07:12 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: There are plenty of heterosexual characters that we do not get any sort of romantic love story, love interests, comments on sexuality and really, the subject isn't even brought up (we do not even think about it because it is irelevant). With LGBTQ characters, almost every episode or at constant points in the film, those things are brought up and almost always in very stereotypical ways and not casually. It is less about the character being a hero, and more story telling that the character is not heterosexual, like this matters at all for the story. In my mind


It's to get Woke brownie points.
 
2021-12-11 4:09:46 AM  

Kris_Romm: The problem is the sense of entitlement.

The two actresses had chemistry, so the writing tailored to it.  Then fan entitlement kicks in.

Yes, the show could have gone the gay route.  But its not exactly like they dodged that with the rest of the ensemble/plotlines.  There's a point where criticizing a show for not representing is ludicrous, when you know... the show went out of its way to be representative to a near unprecedented level.


There's been a history of that, though...any series that does this is going to be accused of queerbaiting because they don't ship someone's preferred couple.  Hell, those in the LGBT community that weren't instantly repulsed by the MTV show Faking It's initial premise (where a straight girl fakes being lesbian for popularity) was accused of queerbaiting (wherein her best friend turned out to have a crush on her, despite her never returning any romantic intent except for one night when she gets insanely drunk and kisses her), despite having some of the most LGBTQ+ friendly storylines in a long time, including a trans character actually played by a trans actor, and an intersex character (though not played by an intersex actor).  But that all gets shunted away and the thing's a homophobic mess because the preferred ship didn't happen.
 
2021-12-11 8:14:07 AM  

GardenWeasel: the money is in the banana stand: At this point, are there any hetero superheroes? The amount of obvious race and gender identity cash grabbing is pretty laughable at this point. It's like they don't want you to see them as superheroes but only as gay, bisexual, women, disabled, black, Asian, Hispanic, or Native American. This is does a massive disservice and has the entirely opposite effect. Hetero characters can be hetero and the story does not even bring it up, but LGBTQ characters? Oh boy, it is going to overshadow any sort of character building and their sexuality define the character in most cases. I think that is really sad because somehow it makes inequalities be amplified. Now, I am not LGBTQ, but I wouldn't think equality means everyone focusing on your sexuality, rather it just be accepted, casual, and non-binding to my character. Superhero shows and movies have somehow managed to do the opposite.

See, that's the problem. The act of making any character anything but a white male is seen as baiting. Just like a person putting up a picture of his/her same sex partner is considered aggressive, even though straight people can put up all they want.


I stopped watching Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow for the last few seasons (dropped SG after the 2nd or 3rd season), but I'd agree with banana.  SG kept sledgehammering today's hot button issues and relationships with very little action.

It's one thing to have a message about x, but they were not subtle at all, got tired of it.  Same went with Arrow (although I stopped watching that mainly because of the stupid decisions everyone made too).

At least for the first two or so seasons, Legends of Tomorrow was great, yes they had bi/gay chars but it wasn't the focal point.  They had stupid silly action and that was it (except for the first season, but we don't talk about that season).
 
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