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2021-12-09 7:35:40 AM  
If this is happening in modern sports...then it's only the beginning. Hope you taped a lot of old games because new ones might be going away soon.
 
2021-12-09 7:38:54 AM  

FriarReb98: If this is happening in modern sports...then it's only the beginning. Hope you taped a lot of old games because new ones might be going away soon.


Ya, this is a very one off situation and not even close to reality elsewhere in sports. The Coyotes have been in terrible financial position for years on end. This is the last breaths of an organization that should have been sold to competent ownership a long time ago.
 
2021-12-09 7:40:13 AM  
So when's the move to Houston or Kansas City happening?
 
2021-12-09 8:27:02 AM  

soupafi: So when's the move to Houston or Kansas City happening?


Bettman is determined to keep a team in Phoenix for reasons I don't understand.
 
2021-12-09 8:37:22 AM  
And yet I've still met more Yotes fans than Western Sydney Giants fans, despite having gone to Giants away games.
 
2021-12-09 8:43:26 AM  

jayphat: FriarReb98: If this is happening in modern sports...then it's only the beginning. Hope you taped a lot of old games because new ones might be going away soon.

Ya, this is a very one off situation and not even close to reality elsewhere in sports. The Coyotes have been in terrible financial position for years on end. This is the last breaths of an organization that should have been sold to competent ownership a long time ago

never should have existed in the first place.

FTFY
 
2021-12-09 8:56:50 AM  

Rapmaster2000: soupafi: So when's the move to Houston or Kansas City happening?

Bettman is determined to keep a team in Phoenix for reasons I don't understand.


He needs an Arizona club to make more money off this guy:
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2021-12-09 9:10:40 AM  

soupafi: So when's the move to Houston or Kansas City happening?


Quebec City and Hamilton say, "What aboot us, eh?"

/yes, I know they would stay in the Western Conference
 
2021-12-09 9:11:20 AM  

Rapmaster2000: soupafi: So when's the move to Houston or Kansas City happening?

Bettman is determined to keep a team in Phoenix for reasons I don't understand.


A combination of things.

1: You've got the #11 TV market in the county in a region full of snowbirds.
2: Arizona recently passed some really silly rules about gaming licenses.  If you want to open a sportsbook that's not on a reservation, you need to own a sports franchise.  Both Bettman and Meruelo see that as the Coyote's financial salvation.

/The NHL board of governors are meeting in Florida this weekend, and I'm sure once they put out some of the Chicago-related fires Arizona will take priority.
 
2021-12-09 9:13:12 AM  
"Gary Bettman" is not determined to keep a team in Phoenix. The entire rest of the league wants them there. Sports commissioners do not have autonomy, they do what the owners want.
 
2021-12-09 9:29:57 AM  
Didn't they fail to pay their players for a few weeks a couple years ago?
 
2021-12-09 9:39:59 AM  

ElwoodCuse: "Gary Bettman" is not determined to keep a team in Phoenix. The entire rest of the league wants them there. Sports commissioners do not have autonomy, they do what the25% of the owners want.


Bettman is a stooge for 6 of the owners, being in the NE corridor. Without them, he's be replaced tomorrow. It takes an insanely low number of owners to keep him around, and so long as he keeps doing what they want, he's not going anywhere.
 
2021-12-09 10:05:31 AM  
Like a dog who won't let go of a bone, Bettman will move hell and high water to make sure either they won't leave the desert or move them to Houston because fark Canada and Quebec in particular.
 
2021-12-09 10:37:29 AM  
Can't they just play on a frozen swimming pool or something?
 
2021-12-09 10:43:20 AM  
I live in Tucson now and the station I watch doesn't really cover Phoenix sports much.  The Suns playoff run and making sure they give the Cardinals score first in NFL recap, but that's about it.  They just ran the gist of the story on the news crawl at the bottom last night and that was it.  I figured it was amusing enough to give some more airtime to.

Coyote's ownership striving to be the worst in the Phoenix area despite the best efforts of Suns (sexual harassment and racism issues) and Diamondback (gross incompetence) owners.
 
2021-12-09 10:55:39 AM  
Hasn't then been a recurring problem for the Coyotes for, oh, the past 2 decades?
 
2021-12-09 11:00:17 AM  
I have nothing to add other than I chased a coyote out of our backyard on Halloween. I've chased away more coyotes this year than any other combined.
 
2021-12-09 11:12:49 AM  

Trocadero: I have nothing to add other than I chased a coyote out of our backyard on Halloween. I've chased away more coyotes this year than any other combined.


Now I'm picturing someone chasing hockey players off with a big broom.  Off with you!  Back to Glendale you mangy bastards!
 
2021-12-09 11:30:32 AM  

Rapmaster2000: soupafi: So when's the move to Houston or Kansas City happening?

Bettman is determined to keep a team in Phoenix for reasons I don't understand.


Because he and the league sees more potential there than anywhere else. He also sees that them being a drag on revenues helps keep player salaries down (which was pointed out by a few people last night).

As I've said many times on here, the Coyotes' issues isn't all the Coyotes' fault. The arena they're getting kicked out of either this month or in 6 months was the fault of the ownership at the time for going with a sweetheart deal that was based on potential and not reality. But then they moved into the building 6 months before the lockout that canceled an entire season. And after that, the recession hit which hurt the Phoenix area more than most places (as someone who used to work in a city government job, I can say that there are parts of the Valley which still hasn't fully recovered from that even pre-Covid).

Then the ownership that followed used the Coyotes to feed money to his other businesses (at the expense of saving money) and had incompetent hockey leadership (Wayne Gretzky as head coach proving why the saying "Those who can't do, teach" exists). What happens when the league was forced to take over ownership? Multiple trips to the playoffs and a Western Conference Final run (and if not for the motherfarking LA Kings, the Coyotes would've won the Cup that year and none of this is still going on).

And after years of decent onwership who just couldn't get things done, we have the people that own the Sahara casino in Vegas owning the team and farking up all over the place. And frankly, this Coyotes fan is done with this. It's time for the organization and the league to shiat or get off the pot. Either get that new arena plan done and announce the temporary location or just announce that they're moving so we can move on to possibly working with Quebec to get expansion teams in both cities.
 
2021-12-09 12:30:16 PM  
desertgeek:

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It's time for the organization and the league to shiat or get off the pot. Either get that new arena plan done and announce the temporary location or just announce that they're moving so we can move on to possibly working with Quebec to get expansion teams in both cities.


I'm not sure the Tempe location is going to work: both the FAA and the City of Phoenix are going to have a few choices words to say about that entire project. See: the botched Arizona Cardinals arena in the same area.
 
2021-12-09 12:34:48 PM  

espiaboricua: desertgeek:

...

It's time for the organization and the league to shiat or get off the pot. Either get that new arena plan done and announce the temporary location or just announce that they're moving so we can move on to possibly working with Quebec to get expansion teams in both cities.

I'm not sure the Tempe location is going to work: both the FAA and the City of Phoenix are going to have a few choices words to say about that entire project. See: the botched Arizona Cardinals arena in the same area.


I'm a little confuse in this issue.  I don't know how close this project is to the airport, but here in Las Vegas, not only is T-Mobile close to the airport, but so is Allegiant Stadium, the taller Mandalay Bay, and the newly announced front-runner for MLS expansion wants to put its stadium directly in the flight path of the north-south runway.  All of these got FAA approval because of certain design and location placements.

What's different in Tempe?
 
2021-12-09 12:47:34 PM  

jayphat: FriarReb98: If this is happening in modern sports...then it's only the beginning. Hope you taped a lot of old games because new ones might be going away soon.

Ya, this is a very one off situation and not even close to reality elsewhere in sports. The Coyotes have been in terrible financial position for years on end. This is the last breaths of an organization that should have been sold to competent ownership a long time ago.


The Coyotes have lost somewhere in the range of $141 million over the last 10 years.  At least that was the number I saw in a report.  They are valued in the $400 million range.  I think this experiment needs to end and the team moved.
 
2021-12-09 12:53:31 PM  
Hopefully this ends all that "Matthews will be a Coyote" rumors.
 
2021-12-09 1:00:54 PM  

UNC_Samurai: 2: Arizona recently passed some really silly rules about gaming licenses.  If you want to open a sportsbook that's not on a reservation, you need to own a sports franchise.  Both Bettman and Meruelo see that as the Coyote's financial salvation.


What could go wrong with a sports franchise being directly involved with gambling?
 
2021-12-09 1:03:51 PM  

espiaboricua: desertgeek:

...

It's time for the organization and the league to shiat or get off the pot. Either get that new arena plan done and announce the temporary location or just announce that they're moving so we can move on to possibly working with Quebec to get expansion teams in both cities.

I'm not sure the Tempe location is going to work: both the FAA and the City of Phoenix are going to have a few choices words to say about that entire project. See: the botched Arizona Cardinals arena in the same area.


A football stadium is much taller than a hockey arena. You can see that on Street View coming down Maryland Ave. in Glendale because the Cardinals stadium and the Coyotes arena are across the street from each other.

Plus, there is a way to make the Tempe arena smaller in height above ground and you can find it in Seattle's remodeled arena: make the upper deck at ground level and have fans go downstairs to reach the lower deck concourse.

/it's actually more like a middle deck with an upper deck above it in Seattle, but they're not big sections
 
2021-12-09 1:06:47 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: espiaboricua: desertgeek:

...

It's time for the organization and the league to shiat or get off the pot. Either get that new arena plan done and announce the temporary location or just announce that they're moving so we can move on to possibly working with Quebec to get expansion teams in both cities.

I'm not sure the Tempe location is going to work: both the FAA and the City of Phoenix are going to have a few choices words to say about that entire project. See: the botched Arizona Cardinals arena in the same area.

I'm a little confuse in this issue.  I don't know how close this project is to the airport, but here in Las Vegas, not only is T-Mobile close to the airport, but so is Allegiant Stadium, the taller Mandalay Bay, and the newly announced front-runner for MLS expansion wants to put its stadium directly in the flight path of the north-south runway.  All of these got FAA approval because of certain design and location placements.

What's different in Tempe?


San Jose's entire downtown is next to the airport, so is Levi's Stadium, I feel like they could figure it out.
 
2021-12-09 1:16:59 PM  
Atlanta is available. Third time is the charm!!!
 
2021-12-09 1:23:37 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: espiaboricua: desertgeek:

...

It's time for the organization and the league to shiat or get off the pot. Either get that new arena plan done and announce the temporary location or just announce that they're moving so we can move on to possibly working with Quebec to get expansion teams in both cities.

I'm not sure the Tempe location is going to work: both the FAA and the City of Phoenix are going to have a few choices words to say about that entire project. See: the botched Arizona Cardinals arena in the same area.

I'm a little confuse in this issue.  I don't know how close this project is to the airport, but here in Las Vegas, not only is T-Mobile close to the airport, but so is Allegiant Stadium, the taller Mandalay Bay, and the newly announced front-runner for MLS expansion wants to put its stadium directly in the flight path of the north-south runway.  All of these got FAA approval because of certain design and location placements.

What's different in Tempe?


Quick history lesson: the Cardinals wanted to build a new stadium initially in Tempe near the Phoenix airport. It makes sense because the team's HQ is in Tempe and they played there to start off. That plan was hatched in 2001. I think we know what happened in September of that year.

The FAA got understandably apprehensive about that idea and that led to nixing that plan and eventually led to the location in Glendale.

(Now, if you want to say at this point "why is the Phoenix airport in the middle of the city?" I say to you "it was built when Phoenix was much smaller and it does need to be moved, but there's no money to do that")

The location the Coyotes are looking at putting their arena is in line with the airport's southernmost runway, it's just 2 miles east of it. It's literally the same distance that Chase Field (the ballpark of the D-backs) is from the airport's north runway going westbound, except that the ballpark is about a quarter-mile north of path for the planes. But as I said previously, the hockey arena will by much smaller than the football stadium would've been and the ballpark is.
 
2021-12-09 1:24:29 PM  
Update: the Coyotes announce that they've paid the bill
 
2021-12-09 1:31:51 PM  

Muta: UNC_Samurai: 2: Arizona recently passed some really silly rules about gaming licenses.  If you want to open a sportsbook that's not on a reservation, you need to own a sports franchise.  Both Bettman and Meruelo see that as the Coyote's financial salvation.

What could go wrong with a sports franchise being directly involved with gambling?


*Pete Rose as entered the chat*
"What's going on here, guys?"
 
2021-12-09 1:42:01 PM  
What could go wrong with a sports franchise being directly involved with gambling?

we're gonna find out because since that Supreme Court ruling, they all are
 
2021-12-09 1:57:11 PM  
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2021-12-09 1:58:18 PM  

desertgeek: Update: the Coyotes announce that they've paid the bill


Read: We begged Bettman, and the NHL found some money in its reserve fund to  loan us.
 
2021-12-09 2:00:03 PM  
Also, since the other thread was short-lived:

"We have already launched an investigation to determine how this could have happened and the initial indications are that it appears to be the result of an unfortunate human error,'' the Coyotes said in a statement Wednesday night.

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2021-12-09 2:00:58 PM  

Rapmaster2000: soupafi: So when's the move to Houston or Kansas City happening?

Bettman is determined to keep a team in Phoenix for reasons I don't understand.


They're not in Phoenix.  They're in Glendale, and that's part of the problem.
 
2021-12-09 2:06:01 PM  

TheJoe03: San Jose's entire downtown is next to the airport, so is Levi's Stadium, I feel like they could figure it out.


They can.  During games, the flight path is altered around Levi.  The problem is that football stadiums are used much less frequently than hockey stadiums.

They need to share the downtown arena with the Suns or share an arena with ASU.  Those are the two legitimate options.
 
2021-12-09 2:09:23 PM  

bhcompy: TheJoe03: San Jose's entire downtown is next to the airport, so is Levi's Stadium, I feel like they could figure it out.

They can.  During games, the flight path is altered around Levi.  The problem is that football stadiums are used much less frequently than hockey stadiums.

They need to share the downtown arena with the Suns or share an arena with ASU.  Those are the two legitimate options.


The Suns don't want to share their building and the floor can't fit a hockey rink. And there was talk about sharing with ASU, but those fell apart.

/ASU is building their own arena for hockey and other sports, but it will only hold 5,000 or so
//Save the jokes, people
 
2021-12-09 2:10:31 PM  

desertgeek: Update: the Coyotes announce that they've paid the bill


...and left a really shiatty tip.
 
2021-12-09 2:13:13 PM  

bhcompy: TheJoe03: San Jose's entire downtown is next to the airport, so is Levi's Stadium, I feel like they could figure it out.

They can.  During games, the flight path is altered around Levi.  The problem is that football stadiums are used much less frequently than hockey stadiums.

They need to share the downtown arena with the Suns or share an arena with ASU.  Those are the two legitimate options.


Didn't they used to share the same arena as the Suns? Next door to the D-Backs stadium?
 
2021-12-09 2:15:09 PM  
Other hockey news:

Vancouver hires Jim Rutherford as team president and (for now) interim GM
 
2021-12-09 2:18:50 PM  

tommyl66: desertgeek: Update: the Coyotes announce that they've paid the bill

...and left a really shiatty tip.


It's Glendale so they're lucky to get a tip at all
 
2021-12-09 2:24:21 PM  

desertgeek: bhcompy: TheJoe03: San Jose's entire downtown is next to the airport, so is Levi's Stadium, I feel like they could figure it out.

They can.  During games, the flight path is altered around Levi.  The problem is that football stadiums are used much less frequently than hockey stadiums.

They need to share the downtown arena with the Suns or share an arena with ASU.  Those are the two legitimate options.

The Suns don't want to share their building and the floor can't fit a hockey rink. And there was talk about sharing with ASU, but those fell apart.

/ASU is building their own arena for hockey and other sports, but it will only hold 5,000 or so
//Save the jokes, people


Won't, not can't.  They can make it work if they wanted to.  They Coyotes played there before and it's a city owned arena.  If they have an interest in retaining hockey, they should find a solution.

Also, this is a problem with having teams and arenas in the same city owned by different people.  AEG owns Staples(soon to be the Crypt), the Kings, and they have minority stakes in the Lakers and Sparks, so there is a very significant interest in making sure everyone plays nice together and that venue enhancements benefit everyone.  Phoenix needs to get its shiat together
 
2021-12-09 2:25:35 PM  

chevydeuce: Didn't they used to share the same arena as the Suns? Next door to the D-Backs stadium?


Yes and yes
 
2021-12-09 2:33:05 PM  

bhcompy: Won't, not can't.  They can make it work if they wanted to.  They Coyotes played there before and it's a city owned arena.  If they have an interest in retaining hockey, they should find a solution.


The Suns don't have an interest in helping the Coyotes at all. Remember that the ownership of the Suns at the time the Coyotes moved in was not the same people as own it now.

And I know they shared the building especially since my father worked as a security guard there.

/Also, the arena was just remodeled and it doesn't have the necessary equipment to make NHL quality ice
 
2021-12-09 2:40:22 PM  

desertgeek: bhcompy: Won't, not can't.  They can make it work if they wanted to.  They Coyotes played there before and it's a city owned arena.  If they have an interest in retaining hockey, they should find a solution.

The Suns don't have an interest in helping the Coyotes at all. Remember that the ownership of the Suns at the time the Coyotes moved in was not the same people as own it now.

And I know they shared the building especially since my father worked as a security guard there.

/Also, the arena was just remodeled and it doesn't have the necessary equipment to make NHL quality ice


My point is that it can be remodeled again.  The city owns the arena and they can certainly rectify the problem.  If the city doesn't want to do that and ASU can't work together with them, then I think the team should leave the state because they're clearly not wanted
 
2021-12-09 2:47:54 PM  

puckrock2000: soupafi: So when's the move to Houston or Kansas City happening?

Quebec City and Hamilton say, "What aboot us, eh?"

/yes, I know they would stay in the Western Conference


There's AN EMPTY UNUSED GIANT arena in Quebec City. Franchement.
 
2021-12-09 3:06:52 PM  

Social Justice Warlock: puckrock2000: soupafi: So when's the move to Houston or Kansas City happening?

Quebec City and Hamilton say, "What aboot us, eh?"

/yes, I know they would stay in the Western Conference

There's AN EMPTY UNUSED GIANT arena in Quebec City. Franchement.


WE FARKING KNOW. EVERY GOD DAMN DAY SOMEONE HAS TO BRING UP 'WHY CAN'T QUEBEC CITY GET A TEAM!!??!!"
 
2021-12-09 3:07:25 PM  

bhcompy: desertgeek: bhcompy: Won't, not can't.  They can make it work if they wanted to.  They Coyotes played there before and it's a city owned arena.  If they have an interest in retaining hockey, they should find a solution.

The Suns don't have an interest in helping the Coyotes at all. Remember that the ownership of the Suns at the time the Coyotes moved in was not the same people as own it now.

And I know they shared the building especially since my father worked as a security guard there.

/Also, the arena was just remodeled and it doesn't have the necessary equipment to make NHL quality ice

My point is that it can be remodeled again.  The city owns the arena and they can certainly rectify the problem.  If the city doesn't want to do that and ASU can't work together with them, then I think the team should leave the state because they're clearly not wanted


Trust me as someone who's followed this for years now: The arena downtown will NOT work and will NOT happen. The Suns don't want them because they view the Coyotes as competition and their ownership are selfish farks. The city won't pay for more renovations there when they already paid for the most recent ones that were completed during the pandemic shutdown. To make hockey work there, they'd have to literally expand the arena. These are discussions that happened for literally years in Phoenix while the Coyotes played there initially. You had restricted view seats on one end of the rink and the NHL doesn't want to do that again as a permanent thing.

And as an ASU alum, I can tell you with full confidence that there isn't a suitable facility on the campus. The basketball arena only holds 12k or something like that. And they can't move seats around in there. And I already mentioned the hockey arena they're building. And the campus is so built out at this point that there's no room for anything new.

So just stop going down this line because it goes literally nowhere.
 
2021-12-09 3:08:47 PM  

Social Justice Warlock: puckrock2000: soupafi: So when's the move to Houston or Kansas City happening?

Quebec City and Hamilton say, "What aboot us, eh?"

/yes, I know they would stay in the Western Conference

There's AN EMPTY UNUSED GIANT arena in Quebec City. Franchement.


Pas de merde, Sherlock. Nous le savons.
 
2021-12-09 3:23:35 PM  

jayphat: Social Justice Warlock: puckrock2000: soupafi: So when's the move to Houston or Kansas City happening?

Quebec City and Hamilton say, "What aboot us, eh?"

/yes, I know they would stay in the Western Conference

There's AN EMPTY UNUSED GIANT arena in Quebec City. Franchement.

WE FARKING KNOW. EVERY GOD DAMN DAY SOMEONE HAS TO BRING UP 'WHY CAN'T QUEBEC CITY GET A TEAM!!??!!"


If there was another commissioner not named Gary Bettman, they most likely would be in the running to get the franchise.

Problem is that Bettman already felt embarrassed by Atlanta moving to Winnipeg to (in a sense) replace that franchise that became the Phoenix/Arizona Coyotes.  Having said franchise move back to Canada would be embarrassing to him.
 
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