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2021-12-09 7:10:46 AM  
they didn't explain why the automaker is responsible.  this is how justice works today, blame someone else with deep pockets.

by this same logic, why aren't gun makers responsible for mass shootings?
 
2021-12-09 7:11:48 AM  
I love how they wanted to blame those crazy "teens". Yeah officer derpy, a massive city-wide attack on specific car models it all because of those teens, and no doubt the role playing games they play while listening to Judas Priest.

How about meth.  Meth is the more likely answer.
 
2021-12-09 7:13:29 AM  
They're popular cars. Thieves aren't stealing them to be seen ballin' down the thoroughfare. The cars are stripped for parts.
 
2021-12-09 7:14:48 AM  

ltdanman44: they didn't explain why the automaker is responsible.  this is how justice works today, blame someone else with deep pockets.

by this same logic, why aren't gun makers responsible for mass shootings?


Yeah, why aren't they?
 
2021-12-09 7:16:12 AM  
Jaloonik should have explained why.  The reason, as I googled, is that you can drive them without the key fobs.  Thieves figured out an end around for 2011 through 2017 Kia/Hyundai.  You can get a steering wheel lock (the Club) from Hyundai for free.  They know it was a bad design.

Reminds me of mid 80s GMs where all you needed was a regular screwdriver.
 
2021-12-09 7:17:22 AM  

Ragin' Asian: They're popular cars. Thieves aren't stealing them to be seen ballin' down the thoroughfare. The cars are stripped for parts.


have you ever bought parts for Hyundais?  They cost peanuts from shops.  You aren't going to make any money.
 
2021-12-09 7:20:15 AM  
The parts for these cars are notoriously expensive.
They are being stolen and torn down for the parts.

Hyundai/Kia needs to sue the city for not protecting the public from auto thefts and chop shops.
 
2021-12-09 7:20:35 AM  
In general they don't have a transponder system and can be physically defeated and driven without a key. I bet half the stolen cars we deal with at work are Kia/Hyundai
 
2021-12-09 7:21:23 AM  

cptrelentless: Ragin' Asian: They're popular cars. Thieves aren't stealing them to be seen ballin' down the thoroughfare. The cars are stripped for parts.

have you ever bought parts for Hyundais?  They cost peanuts from shops.  You aren't going to make any money.


Much better articles told me they're used to commit other crimes and then ditched like burner phones.  These aren't teens just goofing around.  This is step 1 in committing a robbery and not getting caught because of license plate readers.
 
2021-12-09 7:22:38 AM  
Fire anyone in the city government who proposed or supported the idea, then tar and feather them.
 
2021-12-09 7:23:53 AM  

Rapmaster2000: cptrelentless: Ragin' Asian: They're popular cars. Thieves aren't stealing them to be seen ballin' down the thoroughfare. The cars are stripped for parts.

have you ever bought parts for Hyundais?  They cost peanuts from shops.  You aren't going to make any money.

Much better articles told me they're used to commit other crimes and then ditched like burner phones.  These aren't teens just goofing around.  This is step 1 in committing a robbery and not getting caught because of license plate readers.


Couldn't we drive a bad ass car and just steal the plates? I'm tired of looking like we have to rob people.
 
2021-12-09 7:24:08 AM  
Well if it's anything like cincinnati last time I was stuck there, then every other car is a Kia or Hyundai.

And never again. Driving a rental Sonata in lake effect snow in Buffalo/Toronto was one of the more butt clenching moments I've had while driving.
 
2021-12-09 7:26:30 AM  

born_yesterday: Rapmaster2000: cptrelentless: Ragin' Asian: They're popular cars. Thieves aren't stealing them to be seen ballin' down the thoroughfare. The cars are stripped for parts.

have you ever bought parts for Hyundais?  They cost peanuts from shops.  You aren't going to make any money.

Much better articles told me they're used to commit other crimes and then ditched like burner phones.  These aren't teens just goofing around.  This is step 1 in committing a robbery and not getting caught because of license plate readers.

Couldn't we drive a bad ass car and just steal the plates? I'm tired of looking like we have to rob people.


I told you at the last job, the 2 Wyckyd is only for picking up chicks.  We use the Hyundais to smash and grab at Target.
 
2021-12-09 7:27:37 AM  

Rapmaster2000: cptrelentless: Ragin' Asian: They're popular cars. Thieves aren't stealing them to be seen ballin' down the thoroughfare. The cars are stripped for parts.

have you ever bought parts for Hyundais?  They cost peanuts from shops.  You aren't going to make any money.

Much better articles told me they're used to commit other crimes and then ditched like burner phones.  These aren't teens just goofing around.  This is step 1 in committing a robbery and not getting caught because of license plate readers.


It's a whole combination of things, but basically their terrible security means that if you need to steal a car, a Hyundai in those model years is your first choice.

OEM parts are still expensive and auto repair is much more popular due to a shortage in some new models, so a lot of them are definitely going to chop shops.
 
2021-12-09 7:31:01 AM  

born_yesterday: Rapmaster2000: cptrelentless: Ragin' Asian: They're popular cars. Thieves aren't stealing them to be seen ballin' down the thoroughfare. The cars are stripped for parts.

have you ever bought parts for Hyundais?  They cost peanuts from shops.  You aren't going to make any money.

Much better articles told me they're used to commit other crimes and then ditched like burner phones.  These aren't teens just goofing around.  This is step 1 in committing a robbery and not getting caught because of license plate readers.

Couldn't we drive a bad ass car and just steal the plates? I'm tired of looking like we have to rob people.


Two of my coworkers had their license plates stolen in the last 2 months one was an escape the other a jeep grand.

One guy was pulled over and had 3 cops pull guns on him. The other realized it when he was driving behind his wife.

I'm probably the only farker in this state with Ohio tags. So bright side is, very easy to find if they get stolen.

Bad news is I'm up shiat creek if they get stolen.
 
2021-12-09 7:34:55 AM  

wilshire: ltdanman44: they didn't explain why the automaker is responsible.  this is how justice works today, blame someone else with deep pockets.

by this same logic, why aren't gun makers responsible for mass shootings?

Yeah, why aren't they?


Guns usually function exactly how they're supposed to and is used exactly how the owner intended.
I don't think an attorney would have a very strong case unless they can prove something like misleading / irresponsible sales and advertisement practices.
 
2021-12-09 7:39:21 AM  
Talk about a double kick in the nuts.
 
2021-12-09 7:39:31 AM  
Popular models of car, popular with people who can not afford much.  Take into account our system were poor people are forced to pay higher interest rates.

I would like to know a few things.  What percent of these cars were behind on payments, while up to date on insurance, and were recovered burning under a bridge or out on a rural road.
 
2021-12-09 7:40:31 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Much better articles told me they're used to commit other crimes and then ditched like burner phones.


Some of it is for joyriding. Deaths from street racing are a common thing here in Milwaukee. It was weird when it started popping up on the news at least once a week.

Axeofjudgement: Well if it's anything like cincinnati last time I was stuck there, then every other car is a Kia or Hyundai.


It's like that. Kias swarm Milwaukee.
 
2021-12-09 7:43:26 AM  

winedrinkingman: Popular models of car, popular with people who can not afford much.  Take into account our system were poor people are forced to pay higher interest rates.

I would like to know a few things.  What percent of these cars were behind on payments, while up to date on insurance, and were recovered burning under a bridge or out on a rural road.


I would wage something even simpler: They're simple to steal, kind of like the old Rabbiatcheap cars tend to have cheap security measures. Of course sometimes an expensive car can have a security snafu, but there tend to be less of them and they tend to be parked inside when people aren't around.

That's another huge factor here: Most of these cars are going to be in higher crime areas, parked outside, and therein more vulnerable to theft. The "nicer" cars will probably be in garages, often attached garages.
 
2021-12-09 7:45:06 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Jaloonik should have explained why.  The reason, as I googled, is that you can drive them without the key fobs.  Thieves figured out an end around for 2011 through 2017 Kia/Hyundai.  You can get a steering wheel lock (the Club) from Hyundai for free.  They know it was a bad design.

Reminds me of mid 80s GMs where all you needed was a regular screwdriver.


They were stolen so much that you couldn't walk a block in Chicago without seeing a already stolen one. You can tell from the broke back small window, or the cloth or tape around the steering wheel column.
 
2021-12-09 7:46:12 AM  

ltdanman44: they didn't explain why the automaker is responsible.  this is how justice works today, blame someone else with deep pockets.

by this same logic, why aren't gun makers responsible for mass shootings?


They explained it in the article.  That the Hyundai/Kia vehicles account for 66% of stolen vehicles in the city, while making up a significantly smaller portion of the total vehicle presence in Milwaukee indicates that the manufacturers have a lot of room for improvement with regard to security measures.

They even say in the article that the suit was meant to spur the manufacturer into action, to make the cars more difficult to steal.
 
2021-12-09 7:52:48 AM  

ltdanman44: they didn't explain why the automaker is responsible.  this is how justice works today, blame someone else with deep pockets.

by this same logic, why aren't gun makers responsible for mass shootings?


Gun makers aren't responsible for their weapons being used inass shootings because the US Congress gave them explicit immunity from lawsuits when their weapons work as designed. Car companies do not have this protection.
 
2021-12-09 7:53:03 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Jaloonik should have explained why.  The reason, as I googled, is that you can drive them without the key fobs.  Thieves figured out an end around for 2011 through 2017 Kia/Hyundai.  You can get a steering wheel lock (the Club) from Hyundai for free.  They know it was a bad design.

Reminds me of mid 80s GMs where all you needed was a regular screwdriver.


The implication is that model years after 2017 feature a different lock / start system so that keys were required again. Is that a correct reading on my part? (I ask because I have a 2022 Hyundai on order ...!)
 
2021-12-09 7:53:37 AM  

omg bbq: I love how they wanted to blame those crazy "teens". Yeah officer derpy, a massive city-wide attack on specific car models it all because of those teens, and no doubt the role playing games they play while listening to Judas Priest.

How about meth.  Meth is the more likely answer.


The article literally quotes the cops saying that these are not teens but rather older people stealing the cars.
 
2021-12-09 7:55:34 AM  

Boojum2k: Fire anyone in the city government who proposed or supported the idea, then tar and feather them.


Damn folks in government for *checks notes* holding companies accountable for putting out a defective product that causes community harm.
 
2021-12-09 7:57:02 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: eeds to s


Just coming in on this, cheap cars with expensive parts means money, I get that.  But are they so easy to steal is why people are mad at KIA/Hyundai?
A few years a ago it was Camry, Ford f150, Chargers, etc., the cars that need parts a lot.
 
2021-12-09 7:57:43 AM  

ltdanman44: they didn't explain why the automaker is responsible.  this is how justice works today, blame someone else with deep pockets.

by this same logic, why aren't gun makers responsible for mass shootings?


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2021-12-09 7:58:31 AM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Rapmaster2000: Jaloonik should have explained why.  The reason, as I googled, is that you can drive them without the key fobs.  Thieves figured out an end around for 2011 through 2017 Kia/Hyundai.  You can get a steering wheel lock (the Club) from Hyundai for free.  They know it was a bad design.

Reminds me of mid 80s GMs where all you needed was a regular screwdriver.

The implication is that model years after 2017 feature a different lock / start system so that keys were required again. Is that a correct reading on my part? (I ask because I have a 2022 Hyundai on order ...!)


It depends. If you have a push button start one it probably has a transponder security system. If it is a bladed key then it probably doesn't.
 
2021-12-09 7:58:37 AM  

nquadroa: In general they don't have a transponder system and can be physically defeated and driven without a key. I bet half the stolen cars we deal with at work are Kia/Hyundai


You run a chop shop?
 
2021-12-09 7:59:33 AM  

thealgorerhythm: nquadroa: In general they don't have a transponder system and can be physically defeated and driven without a key. I bet half the stolen cars we deal with at work are Kia/Hyundai

You run a chop shop?


No, I verify auto thefts for a living.
 
2021-12-09 7:59:36 AM  

Ranger Hans: ltdanman44: they didn't explain why the automaker is responsible.  this is how justice works today, blame someone else with deep pockets.

by this same logic, why aren't gun makers responsible for mass shootings?

They explained it in the article.  That the Hyundai/Kia vehicles account for 66% of stolen vehicles in the city, while making up a significantly smaller portion of the total vehicle presence in Milwaukee indicates that the manufacturers have a lot of room for improvement with regard to security measures.

They even say in the article that the suit was meant to spur the manufacturer into action, to make the cars more difficult to steal.


Got it thanks, they have pretty much have little theft deterrent.  Just stick a giant screw driver in the igniting, twist and you are off kind of thing.
 
2021-12-09 8:02:20 AM  
As a person who had my car broken into two times and stolen once, I hate cowardly thieves.
Although it was the 80's and my car was an easy target.

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2021-12-09 8:02:54 AM  

nquadroa: thealgorerhythm: nquadroa: In general they don't have a transponder system and can be physically defeated and driven without a key. I bet half the stolen cars we deal with at work are Kia/Hyundai

You run a chop shop?

No, I verify auto thefts for a living.


That is so not a negative response to my question.
 
2021-12-09 8:04:52 AM  

nquadroa: thealgorerhythm: nquadroa: In general they don't have a transponder system and can be physically defeated and driven without a key. I bet half the stolen cars we deal with at work are Kia/Hyundai

You run a chop shop?

No, I verify auto thefts for a living.


I should clarify. Basically I get paid by insurance companies to tell them if a car was defeated by a thief or if it was driven with a key that the owner has. I can also do stuff like read the computer and tell how many people were in the car and what exactly your car was doing at the time of an accident. I can also pull the data from your gps and entertainment system to track you.

You'd be amazed the data that your car keeps.
 
2021-12-09 8:05:45 AM  
I wonder how many of these criminals or Justice Impacted individuals are repeat offenders out on reduced bail.
 
2021-12-09 8:10:22 AM  

omg bbq: I love how they wanted to blame those crazy "teens". Yeah officer derpy, a massive city-wide attack on specific car models it all because of those teens, and no doubt the role playing games they play while listening to Judas Priest.

How about meth.  Meth is the more likely answer.


Meth country is about half an hour in any direction away from the city.  As another native of the area pointed out, these were badly designed security features that got exploited for joy rides.  There was a warning a few years ago that they would get stolen and driven to school during the winters.  Which I found odd give what a craphole most MPS schools are.
 
2021-12-09 8:13:37 AM  
Whoo hoo, Free Club(tm)

let hope the steering wheel isn't a piece of plastic that can be hack-sawed through in 10 seconds
 
2021-12-09 8:15:56 AM  
I'll see ya, in a Kia.

Driving it like you stole it.

Unless it's a Sedona.  Then it's like an 80 year old is driving it, even though it's an only slightly balding man in his mid 30s, and as you drive by he makes eye contact and simply mouths "HELP ME" so you speed off before he gets any idea about crashing into you to end his miserable existence.
 
2021-12-09 8:19:38 AM  
I have 2 Hyundais in the date range (big spender) but they are both push button start, not key. So that's ok? I wish the article wasn't full of suck.
 
2021-12-09 8:23:23 AM  

Spawn_of_Cthulhu: I have 2 Hyundais in the date range (big spender) but they are both push button start, not key. So that's ok? I wish the article wasn't full of suck.


In general their push button starts do have transponder security systems. This isn't 100% though. If you want to find out call your local dealership asks for the parts department and ask if the car has a transponder key system.
 
2021-12-09 8:25:00 AM  

meanmutton: Boojum2k: Fire anyone in the city government who proposed or supported the idea, then tar and feather them.

Damn folks in government for *checks notes* holding companies accountable for putting out a defective product that causes community harm.


The cars work just fine it is the  people of Miwaukee that are defective.
 
2021-12-09 8:25:32 AM  

Ragin' Asian: They're popular cars. Thieves aren't stealing them to be seen ballin' down the thoroughfare. The cars are stripped for parts.


This is why I drive unpopular cars that noone would ever steal for parts.

Currently it is a 2013 Sonic Sedan.  Even the engine (the non-turbo 1.8L) is undesirable since it was only used for a few years before getting the turbo 1.4L the Cruze and other GM cars had.

For me, this is also a plus.  No turbo means less things to break.  120k on it, been very reliable, even the paint is still in very good shape.  All I ever need is a basic grocery-getter commutemobile.  When it finally dies, I will buy something else equally undesirable to others.

The irony in all this for me is that there are so few around, the last time it was at the shop people kept asking what kind of fancy new ELECTRIC car it was.  Everything old is new again.
 
2021-12-09 8:26:34 AM  

Spawn_of_Cthulhu: I have 2 Hyundais in the date range (big spender) but they are both push button start, not key. So that's ok? I wish the article wasn't full of suck.


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No they can be driven off without the fob. Follow the link in TFA to the lawsuit with more info.

Also, call the police if you see suspicious characters.
 
2021-12-09 8:27:25 AM  

meanmutton: Boojum2k: Fire anyone in the city government who proposed or supported the idea, then tar and feather them.

Damn folks in government for *checks notes* holding companies accountable for putting out a defective product that causes community harm.


How about they do something about the goddamn car thieves instead.
 
2021-12-09 8:27:40 AM  

thealgorerhythm: Spawn_of_Cthulhu: I have 2 Hyundais in the date range (big spender) but they are both push button start, not key. So that's ok? I wish the article wasn't full of suck.

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No they can be driven off without the fob. Follow the link in TFA to the lawsuit with more info.

Also, call the police if you see suspicious characters.


Any car with a push button can be driven without the fob if it's left running and unattended. It won't restart after it's turned off though.
 
2021-12-09 8:30:16 AM  

Boojum2k: meanmutton: Boojum2k: Fire anyone in the city government who proposed or supported the idea, then tar and feather them.

Damn folks in government for *checks notes* holding companies accountable for putting out a defective product that causes community harm.

How about they do something about the goddamn car thieves instead.


Good luck. Most departments don't even take prints or evidence from recovered thefts. In general they're just returned to the owner if not damaged or picked up by insurance if there is damage.
 
2021-12-09 8:31:15 AM  
Double Whammy.

First you get robbed buying a Hyundai or Kia. Then it gets stolen.
 
2021-12-09 8:31:32 AM  

nquadroa: Boojum2k: meanmutton: Boojum2k: Fire anyone in the city government who proposed or supported the idea, then tar and feather them.

Damn folks in government for *checks notes* holding companies accountable for putting out a defective product that causes community harm.

How about they do something about the goddamn car thieves instead.

Good luck. Most departments don't even take prints or evidence from recovered thefts. In general they're just returned to the owner if not damaged or picked up by insurance if there is damage.


So maybe the insurance companies should file suit against the city for lax enforcement promoting car theft.
 
2021-12-09 8:32:23 AM  

TTFK: Ragin' Asian: They're popular cars. Thieves aren't stealing them to be seen ballin' down the thoroughfare. The cars are stripped for parts.

This is why I drive unpopular cars that noone would ever steal for parts.

Currently it is a 2013 Sonic Sedan.  Even the engine (the non-turbo 1.8L) is undesirable since it was only used for a few years before getting the turbo 1.4L the Cruze and other GM cars had.

For me, this is also a plus.  No turbo means less things to break.  120k on it, been very reliable, even the paint is still in very good shape.  All I ever need is a basic grocery-getter commutemobile.  When it finally dies, I will buy something else equally undesirable to others.

The irony in all this for me is that there are so few around, the last time it was at the shop people kept asking what kind of fancy new ELECTRIC car it was.  Everything old is new again.


Man, you really did get an undesirable vehicle. Couldn't even get the hatchback for the extra cargo space.

Security by obscurity is a good choice as long as you can live with it.
 
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