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2021-12-08 9:06:30 PM  
Only perverts want to take photos in low light? I know subby is being funny, but photography shouldn't be made into pariah profession. Photographers do great work in our society.
 
2021-12-09 4:29:39 AM  

Lambskincoat: Only perverts want to take photos in low light? I know subby is being funny, but photography shouldn't be made into pariah profession. Photographers do great work in our society.


lighten up francis.

im with subby/a perv. I kept thinking how i could use this w the wife, first thing that came to mind.
 
2021-12-09 4:29:48 AM  
That seems to be a serious website.

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2021-12-09 4:33:29 AM  

Lambskincoat: Only perverts want to take photos in low light? I know subby is being funny, but photography shouldn't be made into pariah profession. Photographers do great work in our society.


I'm sure that some of them are very fine people.
 
2021-12-09 4:35:14 AM  
Finally, the mysteries of cryptozoology will be solved.
 
2021-12-09 4:39:55 AM  
Finally, we will see the Kiwi bird as it should be. A beautiful nocturnal animal.

Also the Basement-Dwelling Subterranean Child Man in its natural habitat. Full color!
*You don't want to see what shows up on the chair under UV light
 
2021-12-09 4:43:13 AM  
Is it a modification of the cameras where if you used the nightvision mode during daylight you could x-ray certain swimming costumes?

Not that I've been party to such underhand shenanigans but one does hear rumours...
 
2021-12-09 4:43:35 AM  
Pervs are people, too!
 
2021-12-09 4:43:55 AM  

mrparks: Finally, the mysteries of cryptozoology will be solved.


We'll finally discover that Bigfoot is still blurry at night.
 
2021-12-09 4:49:40 AM  
Well now I'll find bigfoot
 
2021-12-09 5:06:38 AM  

Lambskincoat: Only perverts want to take photos in low light? I know subby is being funny, but photography shouldn't be made into pariah profession. Photographers do great work in our society.


You sound defensive....
 
2021-12-09 5:06:51 AM  
Awesome I'm in waiting to be able to take photos of night time suburbia. Without a flash in as close to your vision as possible.

Or pictures taken in moonlight.
 
2021-12-09 5:10:08 AM  

groppet: Well now I'll find bigfoot


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2021-12-09 5:12:37 AM  

Resident Muslim: Lambskincoat: Only perverts want to take photos in low light? I know subby is being funny, but photography shouldn't be made into pariah profession. Photographers do great work in our society.

You sound defensive....


With that level of knee jerk I just assume they run a shady motel with strangely thick walls.
 
2021-12-09 5:12:38 AM  
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2021-12-09 5:14:59 AM  
and Good News Perverts is the name of my evangelical porn site
 
2021-12-09 5:18:23 AM  
Conservationists should love such tech for camera traps.  Added bonus if poachers get caught by it.
 
2021-12-09 5:22:43 AM  

Kalashinator: Conservationists should love such tech for camera traps.  Added bonus if poachers get caught by it.


Naked poachers is a pretty niche fetish, but who am I to judge?
 
2021-12-09 5:26:19 AM  

Father_Jack: Lambskincoat: Only perverts want to take photos in low light? I know subby is being funny, but photography shouldn't be made into pariah profession. Photographers do great work in our society.

lighten up francis.

im with subby/a perv. I kept thinking how i could use this w the wife, first thing that came to mind.


Wow, my first thought was how to use it with your wife too. Weird.
 
2021-12-09 5:26:19 AM  
*clicks TFA*

They... built an array of 3.2 million SPADs? And it has subnanosecond time-of-flight for every pixel, effectively making it a 3D camera at the same time?

*jaw drops to floor*

I mean, I'm not going to speculate on what the
- dark rate
- maximum count rate
- quantum efficiency / PDE
will be, but this is mind blowing regardless. As is the array of 3.2 million microlenses! The SPAD detector/readout circuitry occupies about 3/4 of the "pixel" in research grade integrated SPAD arrays, and they come with wide-aperture microlens arrays to restore something close to full-area capture.

Now, if they're quoting a reduction in minimum illumination by "only" 10x, the QE/PDE cannot be *that* high. I've built and calibrated a few single-pixel SPAD detectors... lemme tell you, the fully dark adapted human eye is so sensitive to green light it's unbelievable. A single ordinary green LED is enough to illuminate an entire workspace. I've seen my shadow cast by Venus, and gone for a stroll by the light of the milky way. And research grade silicon SPADs are several orders of magnitude more sensitive than that to red and near IR.

If you insist on color pictures, the limiting factor - guarantee you - is the blue pixels. It's possible to process a whole block of silicon to enhance IR/red/green/blue/near UV sensitivity, but I do not believe that is possible to pattern that on camera-sensor scales.
 
2021-12-09 5:36:01 AM  

erik-k: *clicks TFA*

They... built an array of 3.2 million SPADs? And it has subnanosecond time-of-flight for every pixel, effectively making it a 3D camera at the same time?

*jaw drops to floor*

I mean, I'm not going to speculate on what the
- dark rate
- maximum count rate
- quantum efficiency / PDE
will be, but this is mind blowing regardless. As is the array of 3.2 million microlenses! The SPAD detector/readout circuitry occupies about 3/4 of the "pixel" in research grade integrated SPAD arrays, and they come with wide-aperture microlens arrays to restore something close to full-area capture.

Now, if they're quoting a reduction in minimum illumination by "only" 10x, the QE/PDE cannot be *that* high. I've built and calibrated a few single-pixel SPAD detectors... lemme tell you, the fully dark adapted human eye is so sensitive to green light it's unbelievable. A single ordinary green LED is enough to illuminate an entire workspace. I've seen my shadow cast by Venus, and gone for a stroll by the light of the milky way. And research grade silicon SPADs are several orders of magnitude more sensitive than that to red and near IR.

If you insist on color pictures, the limiting factor - guarantee you - is the blue pixels. It's possible to process a whole block of silicon to enhance IR/red/green/blue/near UV sensitivity, but I do not believe that is possible to pattern that on camera-sensor scales.


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2021-12-09 5:39:32 AM  

erik-k: *clicks TFA*

They... built an array of 3.2 million SPADs? And it has subnanosecond time-of-flight for every pixel, effectively making it a 3D camera at the same time?

*jaw drops to floor*

I mean, I'm not going to speculate on what the
- dark rate
- maximum count rate
- quantum efficiency / PDE
will be, but this is mind blowing regardless. As is the array of 3.2 million microlenses! The SPAD detector/readout circuitry occupies about 3/4 of the "pixel" in research grade integrated SPAD arrays, and they come with wide-aperture microlens arrays to restore something close to full-area capture.

Now, if they're quoting a reduction in minimum illumination by "only" 10x, the QE/PDE cannot be *that* high. I've built and calibrated a few single-pixel SPAD detectors... lemme tell you, the fully dark adapted human eye is so sensitive to green light it's unbelievable. A single ordinary green LED is enough to illuminate an entire workspace. I've seen my shadow cast by Venus, and gone for a stroll by the light of the milky way. And research grade silicon SPADs are several orders of magnitude more sensitive than that to red and near IR.

If you insist on color pictures, the limiting factor - guarantee you - is the blue pixels. It's possible to process a whole block of silicon to enhance IR/red/green/blue/near UV sensitivity, but I do not believe that is possible to pattern that on camera-sensor scales.


This will huge impact on my industry, deep sea survey and inspection. The ability to get high quality color imagery without worrying about back scatter from lights or strobes and 3D for photogrammetry? Sign me up.
 
2021-12-09 5:43:45 AM  
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2021-12-09 5:50:24 AM  
This will be awesome for astrophotography.
 
2021-12-09 6:24:13 AM  

mrparks: Finally, the mysteries of cryptozoology will be solved.


We have found over 1.7 million species on Earth.

Scientists estimate that we have only 5 million left to find before we have "caught them all".

And some are going to be super weird. Maybe not a Bigfoot, but way crazy strange. Don't totally dismiss cryptozoology. We found giant squids in my lifetime.
 
2021-12-09 6:28:50 AM  
Wonder how this would work with underwater photographs?
Once you get deeper than 5 feet, the lack of sunlight, causes color to change / disappear.
 
2021-12-09 6:42:55 AM  

erik-k: *
Now, if they're quoting a reduction in minimum illumination by "only" 10x, the QE/PDE cannot be *that* high.


A 10x improvement?

I could've gotten 9x by just making the lens 3x as wide.
 
2021-12-09 6:46:50 AM  
Nahh...Sony cornered the market on perv cameras back in 1998...

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2021-12-09 6:47:42 AM  

Stantz: erik-k: *clicks TFA*

They... built an array of 3.2 million SPADs? And it has subnanosecond time-of-flight for every pixel, effectively making it a 3D camera at the same time?

*jaw drops to floor*

I mean, I'm not going to speculate on what the
- dark rate
- maximum count rate
- quantum efficiency / PDE
will be, but this is mind blowing regardless. As is the array of 3.2 million microlenses! The SPAD detector/readout circuitry occupies about 3/4 of the "pixel" in research grade integrated SPAD arrays, and they come with wide-aperture microlens arrays to restore something close to full-area capture.

Now, if they're quoting a reduction in minimum illumination by "only" 10x, the QE/PDE cannot be *that* high. I've built and calibrated a few single-pixel SPAD detectors... lemme tell you, the fully dark adapted human eye is so sensitive to green light it's unbelievable. A single ordinary green LED is enough to illuminate an entire workspace. I've seen my shadow cast by Venus, and gone for a stroll by the light of the milky way. And research grade silicon SPADs are several orders of magnitude more sensitive than that to red and near IR.

If you insist on color pictures, the limiting factor - guarantee you - is the blue pixels. It's possible to process a whole block of silicon to enhance IR/red/green/blue/near UV sensitivity, but I do not believe that is possible to pattern that on camera-sensor scales.

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I understood every sentence.  But then, I've been working with scientific-grade focal plane arrays for almost 30 years.

Translation: this shiat is wig, yo.

/he left out a discussion of modulation transfer function
//the microlenses will help that
 
2021-12-09 7:35:01 AM  
I want one for my drones.  Night flying is way easier to do.  You can orient yourself with the forward / rear lights much easier.  There are less people around.  My Gopro with low light on takes some decent shots, but this sounds star trek good.
 
2021-12-09 7:38:57 AM  

Stantz: lemme tell you, the fully dark adapted human eye is so sensitive to green light it's unbelievable. A single ordinary green LED is enough to illuminate an entire workspace.


This.
 
2021-12-09 7:40:21 AM  

Lambskincoat: Only perverts want to take photos in low light? I know subby is being funny, but photography shouldn't be made into pariah profession. Photographers do great work in our society.


Most cell phones take decent pictures these days.
Among people I know fewer are hiring a photographer anymore.
It used to be a lot harder to get some nice pictures.
 
2021-12-09 7:43:03 AM  
Someone Else's Alt:

This will huge impact on my industry, deep sea survey and inspection. The ability to get high quality color imagery without worrying about back scatter from lights or strobes and 3D for photogrammetry? Sign me up.

And it'll be pros using it, too. Despite the picture of the Eos Rebel, this thing won't even be available on their highest-end consumer camera, I'm betting. Not for years.
 
2021-12-09 7:44:29 AM  

MIRV888: I want one for my drones.  Night flying is way easier to do.  You can orient yourself with the forward / rear lights much easier.  There are less people around.  My Gopro with low light on takes some decent shots, but this sounds star trek good.


Yea......I get another free camera on my roof.
 
2021-12-09 7:46:19 AM  

SpectroBoy: Lambskincoat: Only perverts want to take photos in low light? I know subby is being funny, but photography shouldn't be made into pariah profession. Photographers do great work in our society.

Most cell phones take decent pictures these days.
Among people I know fewer are hiring a photographer anymore.
It used to be a lot harder to get some nice pictures.


At the sporting events I shoot, I've found if I actually want to sell any photos instead of just having people browse them, I have to print examples of "cell phone shots" and place them next to what I can get with a mirrorless digital and 300mm f/2.8.

/yes, I'm sure your phone camera has really good zoom
 
2021-12-09 7:49:43 AM  

SpectroBoy: Lambskincoat: Only perverts want to take photos in low light? I know subby is being funny, but photography shouldn't be made into pariah profession. Photographers do great work in our society.

Most cell phones take decent pictures these days.
Among people I know fewer are hiring a photographer anymore.
It used to be a lot harder to get some nice pictures.


It's not the camera that makes the photographer. Given 10k worth of fancy dSLR and high end lenses, i still wouldn't get as good a shot as a good photographer with mid-range phone.
 
2021-12-09 7:51:04 AM  

MIRV888: Stantz: lemme tell you, the fully dark adapted human eye is so sensitive to green light it's unbelievable. A single ordinary green LED is enough to illuminate an entire workspace.

This.


That wasn't me, but I'll accept the adulation regardless
 
2021-12-09 7:53:42 AM  

grinding_journalist: SpectroBoy: Lambskincoat: Only perverts want to take photos in low light? I know subby is being funny, but photography shouldn't be made into pariah profession. Photographers do great work in our society.

Most cell phones take decent pictures these days.
Among people I know fewer are hiring a photographer anymore.
It used to be a lot harder to get some nice pictures.

At the sporting events I shoot, I've found if I actually want to sell any photos instead of just having people browse them, I have to print examples of "cell phone shots" and place them next to what I can get with a mirrorless digital and 300mm f/2.8.

/yes, I'm sure your phone camera has really good zoom


I didn't mean there are NO places where only a pro can do. I just meant for weddings, parties, etc, more people are choosing the cell option.
 
2021-12-09 8:01:13 AM  

Stantz: erik-k: *clicks TFA*

They... built an array of 3.2 million SPADs? And it has subnanosecond time-of-flight for every pixel, effectively making it a 3D camera at the same time?

*jaw drops to floor*

I mean, I'm not going to speculate on what the
- dark rate
- maximum count rate
- quantum efficiency / PDE
will be, but this is mind blowing regardless. As is the array of 3.2 million microlenses! The SPAD detector/readout circuitry occupies about 3/4 of the "pixel" in research grade integrated SPAD arrays, and they come with wide-aperture microlens arrays to restore something close to full-area capture.

Now, if they're quoting a reduction in minimum illumination by "only" 10x, the QE/PDE cannot be *that* high. I've built and calibrated a few single-pixel SPAD detectors... lemme tell you, the fully dark adapted human eye is so sensitive to green light it's unbelievable. A single ordinary green LED is enough to illuminate an entire workspace. I've seen my shadow cast by Venus, and gone for a stroll by the light of the milky way. And research grade silicon SPADs are several orders of magnitude more sensitive than that to red and near IR.

If you insist on color pictures, the limiting factor - guarantee you - is the blue pixels. It's possible to process a whole block of silicon to enhance IR/red/green/blue/near UV sensitivity, but I do not believe that is possible to pattern that on camera-sensor scales.

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2021-12-09 8:19:45 AM  

ChubbyTiger: SpectroBoy: Lambskincoat: Only perverts want to take photos in low light? I know subby is being funny, but photography shouldn't be made into pariah profession. Photographers do great work in our society.

Most cell phones take decent pictures these days.
Among people I know fewer are hiring a photographer anymore.
It used to be a lot harder to get some nice pictures.

It's not the camera that makes the photographer. Given 10k worth of fancy dSLR and high end lenses, i still wouldn't get as good a shot as a good photographer with mid-range phone.


Yeah, but with that DSLR you have a lot more control over exposure, shutter speed and depth of field.

Horses for courses...
 
2021-12-09 8:48:15 AM  
I won't have to do all the normal lighting prep for my dic pics.
 
2021-12-09 8:50:46 AM  
Astrophotography should be fun with this.
 
2021-12-09 9:04:14 AM  
This is going to be a big improvement for my OnlyFans.

/Maybe I'll get a subscriber
 
2021-12-09 9:05:48 AM  

sleze: Nahh...Sony cornered the market on perv cameras back in 1998...

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This is my point, there is a group of troglodytes that knee jerk when they see a fancy camera in public, and start making wild accusations of perversion, similar to the trope about native tribes accusing the camera of "stealing their souls."
 
2021-12-09 9:17:39 AM  

common sense is an oxymoron: mrparks: Finally, the mysteries of cryptozoology will be solved.

We'll finally discover that Bigfoot is still blurry at night.


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2021-12-09 10:04:10 AM  
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"Photographs, he asked him knowingly"
 
2021-12-09 10:44:22 AM  
It would be nice to take pictures at family events (like Christmas, Thanksgiving, etc) without blinding everyone with a flash.

-pervert
 
2021-12-09 12:11:23 PM  
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2021-12-09 12:17:50 PM  

kqc7011: Wonder how this would work with underwater photographs?
Once you get deeper than 5 feet, the lack of sunlight, causes color to change / disappear.


My guess is you will need to supply artificial light, the cool part is you won't have to supply really bright light that can cause all kinds of back scatter and washing out etc..

We spend a lot of time trying to get the lighting right for our subsea cameras, something like this would make it way easier. Plus, you are less likely to spook the wildlife as you will not need two suns attached to arms to get your shots.
 
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