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2021-12-08 6:55:40 PM  
"The moving finger, having writ, moves on." -- Omar Khayyam. Well, yeah, but the rest of my fingers are moving, too. This is your Fark Writer's Thread, Having Writ edition

In case you missed the release thread, this year's edition of the Fark Fiction Anthology is live!
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Trade Paperback on Amazon.com
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Huge thanks again to everyone who submitted, edited, found mistakes I made, and helped make this happen! But now it's out and I can relax until next year. Maybe I'll even get some writing done!

Narrator: he would not get any writing done.

Yeah, screw you too, Narrator, I'm taking a long holiday break here soon and I'm going to do . . . something, I'm sure. I have about thirty different stories in half-baked shape that need work, so surely I can find something to work on.

Narrator: he would not find-

Don't go there, Narrator.

Writing question of the week!

How do you prepare for a writing break? Do you need inspiration, or does the free time become inspiration by itself? How can you make free time to write when you're not taking a dedicated break for it?
 
2021-12-08 7:13:50 PM  

toraque: How do you prepare for a writing break? Do you need inspiration, or does the free time become inspiration by itself? How can you make free time to write when you're not taking a dedicated break for it?


I try to schedule my writing every day rather than take a writing break. I do my best work in the mornings, so I'll write for a few hours. I do research and reading in the afternoons. I haven't always needed inspiration to write, but since Covid hit, it's been harder to concentrate on writing. I'm getting back into the swing of things now.

That said, my story "Sleep Terror" appears in the Fark fiction anthology. It's about a waking nightmare that is worse than the sufferer can ever imagine. Thanks, Toraque, for selecting my story for publication. :)

I also have a short story in "From The Depths" called "Weeds", which is about gardening gone haywire. Suffice to say dandelions are more than mere pests in this story. The book has a foreward by Master of Horror Ramsey Campbell.

Kindle
https://www.amazon.com/Depths-Ramsey-​C​ampbell-ebook/dp/B09LP8JL9L/

Paperback
https://www.amazon.com/Depths-Ramsey-​C​ampbell/dp/B09LGJVMY3/

And finally, my story "Snow Job" made the finalists list for Crystal Lake Publishing's Christmas flash fiction horror contest. Each day, a new story (of 15 total) will be posted on Crystal Lake's Patreon page. My story goes live Dec. 16. You may comment and vote. Here's the link to the Patreon page.

https://www.patreon.com/CLP/posts (Fark won't give me a hot link so here's the URL.)

I'm just glad I've been busy lately. Now to get back to writing and reading.
 
2021-12-08 7:38:33 PM  
I definitely need inspiration to start a story. And then a certain period of rumination to figure out plot, characters, approach, etc. I can't even begin writing until I know how it ends. Once I begin, I have at minimum a start, end, and several needed scenes between them. Sorta halfway between 'planning' and 'pantsing'.

I'll start a writing session by editing my previous day's work some. Typos, wording tweaks, maybe move some narration into dialogue or action. Warms up my brain's language centers for writing something new.

Speaking of 'having writ' - the first draft of my novel is done. Now come the rewrites... Did find an editor to work with, though.
 
2021-12-08 8:08:32 PM  
I set aside time every night to write. Unless I'm on a plane or otherwise in a position where I can't write (hello, black belt test), I write at least something every night. The only time I took off writing was about a month between my 1st and 2nd books. After that, I'm always working on something.
 
2021-12-08 8:10:10 PM  
"Free time"? What is that? I'm lucky if I can squeeze in a page every other day (which is not the same as half a page every day). Usually that page happens between other things.

"Darkness Eternal: Sector Zero One" is on Amazon as of Sunday. When I have a couple of hours, I'll publish Zero Two. It's an alternate history set in a World War 2 that's still going in 1958. Fair warning, not much war stuff, the war is more like a kaiju backdrop.
 
2021-12-08 8:11:11 PM  
My balls, my balls!
My cold. wrinkly, lonely balls!
Together in life we've traveled,
but her cruelty on us took its toll.

Oh my balls, my balls!
My cold lonely balls!
Somewhere a rainbow shines,
cold we shall be nevermore.
 
2021-12-08 8:12:53 PM  

WhiskeyTango: Unless I'm on a plane or otherwise in a position where I can't write (hello, black belt test), I write at least something every night.


I sync up copies between my phone and my desktop. That way I can write practically anywhere. (You don't have to go full geek and use a version control system like git to track changes, but you can.)
 
2021-12-08 8:14:19 PM  
Had a nice little surprise a couple of weeks back. An on-line historical fiction e-zine published one of my short stories and now would like to include it in a print anthology. I don't think it will amount to much but it's nice to be asked.
 
2021-12-08 8:20:42 PM  
Awake! for Morning in the Bowl of Night Has flung the Stone that puts the Stars to Flight: And Lo! the Hunter of the East has caught The Sultan's Turret in a Noose of Light.
 
2021-12-08 8:39:08 PM  
I like mornings too, writing before my brain gets full of today's crap.  Writing fiction I found I have to cut out as much media as I can. I think it makes your brain hungry to create.

I published my second book almost this time last year. Then I got busy, and and am ready to publish the third book of a series. Trouble is I have two contracts that I have a choice of. Both cost and are package type deals. One is the publishers I've already used, they are cheaper up front but pay out at 75 percent royalties per book.
The other is a couple hundred more but I would be listed as the publisher and get 100% of half of the sale price.

One thing bothered me about the old publisher was my books are not guaranteed for purchase. Bookstores buy from insured publishers that will buy back the book if it doesn't sell. So it is hard or impossible to purchase my book from a real store. Also the new guys tell me I should republish my second book and charge less so I can sell more. Right now I can't see that happening.

I'm sure everyone here will say they are just trying to make my money, which Duh, but the reason they want my money is that my second book is like # 10,137 in the top seller list. On somebodies list. That's out of over 4 million books for sale.  My first book last I looked was in the early 4 millions.
Somebody is reading my book, alot of somebodies. And not just friends I had to beg. The new guys wrote me a letter saying you could be doing better.   Somebody bought my book as expensive as it is. To be honest I priced it at the lowest amount the publishers would let me. 500 pages good grief.

I blame myself for making the book so long. As I go on something I will work on is keeping the story focused and moving at a good pace. My last edit on the new book I tried to focus on removing unneeded info. At least I think its the last edit.

Congrats on those who made the Fark book, maybe next time. I have a week before I said I would make a decision on publishers. If you can help what things would you want out of a contract?
 
2021-12-08 8:42:47 PM  
I've done my best writing on a deadline. I have taken time off other things to meet a deadline, but not taken a writing break.

I'm still condensing the most important story of my life into a 400 word op-ed. But I wasn't given a deadline. I'll finish it one of these days.

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2021-12-08 8:55:36 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: Had a nice little surprise a couple of weeks back. An on-line historical fiction e-zine published one of my short stories and now would like to include it in a print anthology. I don't think it will amount to much but it's nice to be asked.


congrats. unless it was about a girl in a dystopian world because Hunger Games and Divergent sucked all of my interest out. :)
 
2021-12-08 8:56:52 PM  
Just wanted to chime in supporting this year's anthology. I finally got to sit down and read my dead-tree edition today, and there are some amazing writers here at FARK.

One of them is a little too amazing, really. One story (Dormouse) made my wife cry.
 
2021-12-08 9:09:22 PM  
I have two manuscripts, and can't get any agents to give me a chance. Rave beta reader views on one of them, and the other is out with two betas right now (will probably solicit more betas too). Word counts are 104K and 172K respectively, and that latter, most agents won't even look at. Which is ridiculous, ask any fanfic reader, 172k is light reading for lunch.

I have a published cousin who asked for my manuscripts and has now gone basically entirely radio silent for the majority of a calendar year. Not answering texts or emails. Even asked my mom to reach out for me, said cousin swore she'd get back to me she's just busy (getting divorced, and yeah I respect that), but. Yeah. She's had one book well over a year, and the other eight months. She's the only reason I've waited this long to pull the self-publish trigger because I know that trigger cannot be unpulled.

Any advice appreciated. I'm seriously considering pulling the self-publish trigger via Tablo very soon.

/not saying talk me off a cliff but *vague gesture*
//will of course go deeper into said manuscripts if asked, didn't think it was relevant to this crisis of faith
 
2021-12-08 9:14:43 PM  
Closest thing to writing I've been doing is a scenaro (plot) for a game idea.  I've posted a couple concept images in the friday gaming threads, but I'm still planning.
 
2021-12-08 9:15:38 PM  
Suddenly a kiss rang out!
 
2021-12-08 9:20:41 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: Had a nice little surprise a couple of weeks back. An on-line historical fiction e-zine published one of my short stories and now would like to include it in a print anthology. I don't think it will amount to much but it's nice to be asked.


That is really awesome, congrats!

studebaker hoch: Suddenly a kiss rang out!


I'd read it. Sounds like sapphic noir? Bring it on.
 
2021-12-08 9:24:27 PM  

Ringshadow: Word counts are 104K and 172K respectively, and that latter, most agents won't even look at. Which is ridiculous, ask any fanfic reader, 172k is light reading for lunch.


Yeah, but sadly, making a physical thing is way more costly than slinging bits around. Commiting to making them, and sending them out, and marketing them, and all that. And the bigger the book, the bigger the overhead.

/ rave betas too
// but 200K words
/// hence editor
 
2021-12-08 9:32:27 PM  

sorceror: // but 200K words


As someone who lives in Santa Fe NM, *laughs maniacally in George RR Martin's insane word count*

Also I have a not insignificant number of "first novels" on my bookshelves that are very, VERY clearly well over 100K and probably as long or longer than either of our books.

Epics deserve to be epics, dangit.

/Martin lives... somewhere around here and owns half the historical railroad
//He's George RR (RR) Martin now!
 
2021-12-08 9:34:13 PM  

Wenchmaster: Just wanted to chime in supporting this year's anthology. I finally got to sit down and read my dead-tree edition today, and there are some amazing writers here at FARK.

One of them is a little too amazing, really. One story (Dormouse) made my wife cry.


You know, I didn't expect it, but that hit me like a heavy brick. That story was powerful.
 
2021-12-08 10:22:32 PM  

Ringshadow: sorceror: // but 200K words

As someone who lives in Santa Fe NM, *laughs maniacally in George RR Martin's insane word count*


Well, yeah, but that wasn't his first book. I did a glance over my shelves, and have many doorstops. But they aren't as common, now, in the days of e-books.

Epics deserve to be epics, dangit.

Not gonna argue with you on that. And not just 'cause I'm writing epics. But the economic argument is there, and a lot of agents believe it.
 
2021-12-08 10:41:55 PM  
Glad to see that the new FFA is out!

The Hard Money, sister site of The Hard Times that published me back in October, seems to have all but certainly stopped publishing user submissions, just letting us writers throw our submissions into the void that the submission chat has become. If you look on their main site right now, everything on the main page new enough to show the author's name without clicking it is written by the same person, who I assume is with the site.

So I started looking at submitting something to The-Editing-Room.com, a site the basically parodies movie scripts in a short length with "Abridged Scripts," in screenplay format. I've been enjoying them off and on since like 2008. Read their instructions, named three or four movies I'd be interested in writing up, and also linked them to my online catalog record of my DVD collection to possibly pick one. Fingers crossed that they actually get back to me and that the submission part is not just a dead corner of their otherwise-active site. The fact that this page has two dead links on it does not inspire a ton of confidence, but I only sent my submission a couple of hours ago.
 
2021-12-08 10:50:25 PM  

GreenSun: My balls, my balls!
My cold. wrinkly, lonely balls!
Together in life we've traveled,
but her cruelty on us took its toll.

Oh my balls, my balls!
My cold lonely balls!
Somewhere a rainbow shines,
cold we shall be nevermore.


I'm getting this framed
 
2021-12-08 11:16:25 PM  
mene mene tekel upharsin sounds cooler
 
2021-12-09 7:35:49 AM  

Old_Chief_Scott: Had a nice little surprise a couple of weeks back. An on-line historical fiction e-zine published one of my short stories and now would like to include it in a print anthology. I don't think it will amount to much but it's nice to be asked.


Sweet! Many congrats!
 
2021-12-09 7:48:27 AM  

Ringshadow: I have two manuscripts, and can't get any agents to give me a chance. Rave beta reader views on one of them, and the other is out with two betas right now (will probably solicit more betas too). Word counts are 104K and 172K respectively, and that latter, most agents won't even look at. Which is ridiculous, ask any fanfic reader, 172k is light reading for lunch.


I have an unpublished novel that had originally rounded out to 140,000 words. I was told by a very reputable writer that no agent will look at an unknown writer's book if it is that big. Print costs for big books are expensive, and an agency and bigger publisher will represent a book like that by someone already well-known and bringing in money. Keep in mind Stephen King and George R. R. Martin's first books were not huge cinderblocks. They weren't famous yet. Once they had the following, they were in a better position to publish huge books.

Self-publishing is an option as you've indicated, especially when it comes to ebooks. Keep in mind you have to foot the bill for everything - cover, editing, marketing, etc. Don't skimp on the editing. It's not an accident some self-published books are raked over the coals for poor editing if any editing at all. Some self-published authors have done very well. Series do especially well. If you go that route, there will be a lot of work, time, and money involved, but if you get the readers, that's what matters. I wish you much success regardless of what you decide to do. Best wishes!
 
2021-12-09 8:20:34 AM  

Ringshadow: I have two manuscripts, and can't get any agents to give me a chance. Rave beta reader views on one of them, and the other is out with two betas right now (will probably solicit more betas too). Word counts are 104K and 172K respectively, and that latter, most agents won't even look at. Which is ridiculous, ask any fanfic reader, 172k is light reading for lunch.


Obvious questions: What does your proposal look like? How big a sample are you including? Are you willing to cut your manuscript length by a quarter or a half to get published?
 
2021-12-09 8:39:04 AM  

Fireproof: ...So I started looking at submitting something to The-Editing-Room.com


I sent an inquiry to them but never heard back. I had a version of You Only Live Twice ready to submit. Their stuff is hilarious, but they seem to want to stay with their current stable of "screenwriters."
 
2021-12-09 9:24:56 AM  

Russell_Secord: Fireproof: ...So I started looking at submitting something to The-Editing-Room.com

I sent an inquiry to them but never heard back. I had a version of You Only Live Twice ready to submit. Their stuff is hilarious, but they seem to want to stay with their current stable of "screenwriters."


I heard back from them overnight, and they have one they'd like me to do. Maybe try them again, maybe they've gotten back into replying.

/They did say they don't pay that much, however.
//But I'm just happy to get an eventually-paying side gig that isn't the "write a 500 word essay on boring shiat for $5" shiat that I've been seeing, and actually sounds fun.
 
2021-12-09 9:38:08 AM  

ms_lara_croft: Keep in mind Stephen King and George R. R. Martin's first books were not huge cinderblocks.

172k is right between Gaiman's American Gods and Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince.Neither book is anything near a cinderblock. They're reasonable-length novels, sure, but they're not huge. They're not bricks. We're not talking Infinite Jest, here.

And yes, both Gaiman and JK were already established, and their first books were smaller. I get that.

That said, "But it's expensive!" falls flat on its face in front of Tablo, where I can get paperbacks sent to book stores and libraries for $300, and hardbacks for $500. Allowing for the current worldwide paper shortage that's choking out all press of course.

Fear the Clam: Obvious questions: What does your proposal look like? How big a sample are you including?


I follow the guidelines of the agent or the publishing company I am emailing, as appropriate.

Are you willing to cut your manuscript length by a quarter or a half to get published?

o.0

If I remove significant plot points, character development, and destroy the book, I can do that.

I'm... not sure why people hear 172k and assume I'm Ayn Rand and refusing to edit. I'll trim where applicable but I don't want to destroy my book. 172k, again, is nothing. It's nada. It's enough room for a decent fantasy book to fill out. If my betas tell me I have pacing problems I'll adjust as applicable but I'm not seeing that much of a reduction happening.

/genuinely baffled at the industry wide resistance to actual decent length books
//can read over 800wpm
 
2021-12-09 10:03:08 AM  
Write, write, write. Right?

Throw away the rubbish and whatever is left must be good.

If nothing is left, take up painting. Or wallpapering.
 
2021-12-09 11:42:11 AM  

Old_Chief_Scott: Had a nice little surprise a couple of weeks back. An on-line historical fiction e-zine published one of my short stories and now would like to include it in a print anthology. I don't think it will amount to much but it's nice to be asked.


Congratulations!
 
2021-12-09 11:43:46 AM  

ms_lara_croft: toraque: How do you prepare for a writing break? Do you need inspiration, or does the free time become inspiration by itself? How can you make free time to write when you're not taking a dedicated break for it?

I try to schedule my writing every day rather than take a writing break. I do my best work in the mornings, so I'll write for a few hours. I do research and reading in the afternoons. I haven't always needed inspiration to write, but since Covid hit, it's been harder to concentrate on writing. I'm getting back into the swing of things now.

That said, my story "Sleep Terror" appears in the Fark fiction anthology. It's about a waking nightmare that is worse than the sufferer can ever imagine. Thanks, Toraque, for selecting my story for publication. :)

I also have a short story in "From The Depths" called "Weeds", which is about gardening gone haywire. Suffice to say dandelions are more than mere pests in this story. The book has a foreward by Master of Horror Ramsey Campbell.

Kindle
https://www.amazon.com/Depths-Ramsey-C​ampbell-ebook/dp/B09LP8JL9L/

Paperback
https://www.amazon.com/Depths-Ramsey-C​ampbell/dp/B09LGJVMY3/

And finally, my story "Snow Job" made the finalists list for Crystal Lake Publishing's Christmas flash fiction horror contest. Each day, a new story (of 15 total) will be posted on Crystal Lake's Patreon page. My story goes live Dec. 16. You may comment and vote. Here's the link to the Patreon page.

https://www.patreon.com/CLP/posts (Fark won't give me a hot link so here's the URL.)

I'm just glad I've been busy lately. Now to get back to writing and reading.


Congratulations on the short stories.  Good luck on the contest.
 
2021-12-09 12:53:19 PM  

GN Nymph: ms_lara_croft: toraque: How do you prepare for a writing break? Do you need inspiration, or does the free time become inspiration by itself? How can you make free time to write when you're not taking a dedicated break for it?

I try to schedule my writing every day rather than take a writing break. I do my best work in the mornings, so I'll write for a few hours. I do research and reading in the afternoons. I haven't always needed inspiration to write, but since Covid hit, it's been harder to concentrate on writing. I'm getting back into the swing of things now.

That said, my story "Sleep Terror" appears in the Fark fiction anthology. It's about a waking nightmare that is worse than the sufferer can ever imagine. Thanks, Toraque, for selecting my story for publication. :)

I also have a short story in "From The Depths" called "Weeds", which is about gardening gone haywire. Suffice to say dandelions are more than mere pests in this story. The book has a foreward by Master of Horror Ramsey Campbell.

Kindle
https://www.amazon.com/Depths-Ramsey-C​ampbell-ebook/dp/B09LP8JL9L/

Paperback
https://www.amazon.com/Depths-Ramsey-C​ampbell/dp/B09LGJVMY3/

And finally, my story "Snow Job" made the finalists list for Crystal Lake Publishing's Christmas flash fiction horror contest. Each day, a new story (of 15 total) will be posted on Crystal Lake's Patreon page. My story goes live Dec. 16. You may comment and vote. Here's the link to the Patreon page.

https://www.patreon.com/CLP/posts (Fark won't give me a hot link so here's the URL.)

I'm just glad I've been busy lately. Now to get back to writing and reading.

Congratulations on the short stories.  Good luck on the contest.


Thank you very much. :D
 
2021-12-09 1:47:57 PM  
 
2021-12-09 2:04:21 PM  
Ringshadow: If I remove significant plot points, character development, and destroy the book, I can do that.

Yeah, some things simply need a longer book. My own involves a really different alternate history, that diverged before writing was invented. So they're going to have different demographics, languages, writing systems, technologies, architectures, cuisines, philosophies, religions, social organizations (political/governmental/legal/financia​l/educational/familial/etc.), and so on. And that leaves aside the big change which caused the divergence. I've got just shy of 17K words covering the protagonist's first day stranded there.

/genuinely baffled at the industry wide resistance to actual decent length books

I understand the economics... but I think it's short-term wise, long-term foolish. Everyone loses out on good authors and big ideas. I think I can split what I've got roughly in half, and still have a workable, entertaining arc while giving enough sense of weirdness and wonder. But I'm kinda sad I have to.
 
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