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(PopCulture)   99-year-old Norman Lear: World War II vet, producer of groundbreaking sitcoms and oldest guy to utter an f-bomb on live TV. Awesomeness trifecta complete   (popculture.com) divider line
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2021-12-08 2:05:09 PM  
Missed the f word, but caught part of the Facts of Life bit and just, hmm, wow....that was a tough few minutes to watch before I had to change the channel. A bunch of 50-year-olds playing high schoolers was bad enough, but they weren't even that good at it. Not sure why these keep getting produced.

/well, actually, I do know why....$$$$
//doesn't mean they're good
 
2021-12-08 2:08:27 PM  
Weird article insisting they're his shows. Pretty sure they're not. He's involved because he's business partners with Kimmel on this and the first few specials were his shows.
 
2021-12-08 2:10:27 PM  
Watching a lot of "All in the Family" lately after about 30 years away from it. I forgot how funny it was at times. Edith might have been the true star of that show.
 
2021-12-08 2:14:05 PM  

chevydeuce: A bunch of 50-year-olds


Wait. Wasn't Kevin Hart playing Gary Coleman a good tipoff these castings were intentionally ridiculous?  Seems like a pretty heavy hint.
 
2021-12-08 2:17:54 PM  

Kris_Romm: Weird article insisting they're his shows. Pretty sure they're not. He's involved because he's business partners with Kimmel on this and the first few specials were his shows.


His production company developed the shows (although I don't think he was directly involved).
 
2021-12-08 2:22:44 PM  

Sawdust and Mildew: Watching a lot of "All in the Family" lately after about 30 years away from it. I forgot how funny it was at times. Edith might have been the true star of that show.


It uses the classic Star Center (Archie) concept, with the Supports revolving around the Lead. As Lead, Archie has to play Straight Man (Which Carroll O'Connor excelled) as the world around him evolves. Most of the great sitcoms (Dick Van Dyke, Andy Griffith, Mary Tyler Moore, and almost all of the original Lear series) use this structure.
 
2021-12-08 2:24:21 PM  

Kris_Romm: chevydeuce: A bunch of 50-year-olds

Wait. Wasn't Kevin Hart playing Gary Coleman a good tipoff these castings were intentionally ridiculous?  Seems like a pretty heavy hint.


As I said, I only caught a few minutes of the Facts of Life part. Hadn't really heard a whole lot about the production, so didn't even know about the Diff'rent Strokes deal until I read about it this morning.

What little I saw looked like they were doing a Brady Bunch Movie treatment to the originals instead of anything complementary (not that the original shows are some sort of untouchable treasure troves). Forte's and Bateman's appearance almost had a SNL satire feel about them.
 
2021-12-08 2:49:56 PM  

Another Government Employee: Sawdust and Mildew: Watching a lot of "All in the Family" lately after about 30 years away from it. I forgot how funny it was at times. Edith might have been the true star of that show.

It uses the classic Star Center (Archie) concept, with the Supports revolving around the Lead. As Lead, Archie has to play Straight Man (Which Carroll O'Connor excelled) as the world around him evolves. Most of the great sitcoms (Dick Van Dyke, Andy Griffith, Mary Tyler Moore, and almost all of the original Lear series) use this structure.


Sure, but while Carroll O'Connor definitely anchored the show, Jean Stapleton's performance was pitch perfect as support. The entire cast did a fine job, but Jean Stapleton was operating on an entirely different level from everybody but O'Connor.
 
2021-12-08 2:54:36 PM  
Dammit, I was forced to watch 3/4 of that shiatshow and apparently I missed the F-bomb.
 
2021-12-08 3:10:13 PM  

Kris_Romm: Weird article insisting they're his shows. Pretty sure they're not. He's involved because he's business partners with Kimmel on this and the first few specials were his shows.


They are most definitely his shows.  All in the family, diffrent strokes, good times, facts of life, jeffersons, maude, sanford and son, etc are all Norman-lear produced shows.

He was not considered the official 'creator' of facts of life, but I don't know how all those credits work.

/Very similar to Chuck Lorre and his multitude of shows in this regard.
 
2021-12-08 3:26:44 PM  

Another Government Employee: Sawdust and Mildew: Watching a lot of "All in the Family" lately after about 30 years away from it. I forgot how funny it was at times. Edith might have been the true star of that show.

It uses the classic Star Center (Archie) concept, with the Supports revolving around the Lead. As Lead, Archie has to play Straight Man (Which Carroll O'Connor excelled) as the world around him evolves. Most of the great sitcoms (Dick Van Dyke, Andy Griffith, Mary Tyler Moore, and almost all of the original Lear series) use this structure.


The basic formula comes from Jack Benny, who realized the laugh is more important than who gets the laugh.
 
2021-12-08 4:12:21 PM  
John Cleese was the first to say fark during a funeral on the BBC
 
2021-12-08 4:28:21 PM  
They should have done the Gordon Jump bicycle shop episode.
 
2021-12-08 4:39:25 PM  

Exile On Beale Street: They should have done the Gordon Jump bicycle shop episode.


With Hart, that would have been extra freaky.

Dwayne Johnson could have played the shop owner.
 
2021-12-08 4:45:08 PM  

Exile On Beale Street: They should have done the Gordon Jump bicycle shop episode.


The 'Diff'rent Strokes' With The Bicycle Man Child Molester
Youtube hdBjll62XHs
 
2021-12-08 5:02:35 PM  
I did enjoy the fake commercials:

Live in Front of a Studio Audience Retro Commercials (Dec. 7, 2021)
Youtube sVw35-KkQjM
 
2021-12-08 5:22:02 PM  
I will say, I had no idea that Lisa Whelchel was on that bizarre list we maintain here on Fark of older actresses who look like they've barely aged.

Jimmy Kimmel with the Original 'The Facts of Life' Cast - Live in Front of a Studio Audience: The Fa
Youtube TDaeJ8AETlk


They all look pretty good, but Lisa looks virtually identical.  She's 58.
 
2021-12-08 5:26:17 PM  
Disturbing strokes
Youtube dwxLekENDw0
 
2021-12-08 6:27:03 PM  
F-Bomb was bleeped for me in central time. Not sure if they did multiple performances...
 
2021-12-08 6:51:50 PM  
Facts of Life was bad. DS was much funnier. Hart was so committed. And his physical comedy (running around, climbing the furniture, etc) was great.
 
2021-12-08 6:59:02 PM  

old man dick: F-Bomb was bleeped for me in central time. Not sure if they did multiple performances...


I think TFA said it was bleeped. Any network worth its salt can/does do that when airing something live, often on a bit of a delay.
 
2021-12-08 9:10:22 PM  
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2021-12-08 9:23:24 PM  

chevydeuce: Missed the f word, but caught part of the Facts of Life bit and just, hmm, wow....that was a tough few minutes to watch before I had to change the channel. A bunch of 50-year-olds playing high schoolers was bad enough, but they weren't even that good at it. Not sure why these keep getting produced.


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2021-12-08 10:49:47 PM  

jake3988: Kris_Romm: Weird article insisting they're his shows. Pretty sure they're not. He's involved because he's business partners with Kimmel on this and the first few specials were his shows.

They are most definitely his shows.  All in the family, diffrent strokes, good times, facts of life, jeffersons, maude, sanford and son, etc are all Norman-lear produced shows.

He was not considered the official 'creator' of facts of life, but I don't know how all those credits work.

/Very similar to Chuck Lorre and his multitude of shows in this regard.


The "creator" credit most often goes to the person who wrote the pilot.

Even if Lear isn't listed as "creator" on the shows he produced, he developed them: Casting, hiring writers and directors, approving the set design, etc.
 
2021-12-09 8:00:57 PM  
Did Alfonso do any Breakin' and Poppin'?
 
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