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2021-12-08 8:48:18 AM  
For a bunch of people who have nothing to hide and did nothing wrong, they sure are afraid of incriminating themselves
 
2021-12-08 8:52:28 AM  
Can he even do that after a pardon? Maybe because this is a different issue than he was pardoned for, but it is related.
 
2021-12-08 8:56:31 AM  
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2021-12-08 8:57:13 AM  
Death can't come soon enough. Hopefully, simultaneously with Alex Jones in some freak auto-erotic asphyxiation murder-suicide.
 
2021-12-08 8:58:31 AM  
Heard on MSNBC that Mark Meadows decided not to cooperate after all because he heard they had subpoenaed his phone records.  That seems like a red flag to me.

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I hope this entire bunch of assholes goes away forever, starting with TFG
 
2021-12-08 9:00:19 AM  
Ha, now he knows that we know that he's a criminal and has to live with that shame!
 
2021-12-08 9:21:10 AM  

OldRod: Heard on MSNBC that Mark Meadows decided not to cooperate after all because he heard they had subpoenaed his phone records.  That seems like a red flag to me.


MM was only going to lie or plead 5A if he was ever brought before the committee anyway. Even if they were somehow punished (which absolutely won't happen) some appeals court will only reverse the decision.

It's a well established tradition.
 
2021-12-08 9:23:18 AM  
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2021-12-08 9:25:17 AM  
Sorry, Rog - the Fif doesn't free you from having to appear before the committee. You don't have to answer any of their questions (if you want to seem really, really guilty), but you do have to appear.
 
2021-12-08 9:29:22 AM  

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Didn't he once say that pleading the Fifth was for mob bosses?  Sure seems to be a lot of mob bosses around him...
 
2021-12-08 9:47:25 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: Sorry, Rog - the Fif doesn't free you from having to appear before the committee. You don't have to answer any of their questions (if you want to seem really, really guilty), but you do have to appear.


Yes, I believe you are correct. And pleading the Fifth Amendment does not mean they don't have to turn over subpoenaed materials, documents, papers, etc.
 
2021-12-08 9:53:01 AM  
Which means Dems will be able to say just about anything and Stone will only plead the fifth?

That may not work out the way he envisions.
 
2021-12-08 9:53:40 AM  
It won't save him.
 
2021-12-08 9:54:01 AM  
So according to GOP logic the headline should be:

ROGER STONE ADMITS GUILT BY INVOKING 5TH AMENDMENT!
 
2021-12-08 9:55:17 AM  
As is his right per the holy enshrined document writ to give liiiiiife to this unholy laaaanduh.
 
2021-12-08 9:55:47 AM  

FormlessOne: It won't save him.


Hopefully not, and let's work extra hard to ensure that a Rethuglican doesn't become president in 2024 so he can sit his arse in prison for a few years. Bannon should also be in prison, but I'd keep them in separate prisons so they didn't try to overthrow the Warden.
 
2021-12-08 9:57:26 AM  
So will Bruce Wayne show up to make sure he gets thrown in Gotham Asylum?
 
2021-12-08 9:58:33 AM  
Exercising one's right against self-incrimination is one thing but if that is in fact what he's doing, here's hoping that he keeps his big farking mouth shut in the meantime.  Had more than enough of these assholes for one lifetime.
 
2021-12-08 9:59:50 AM  
Five Times Donald Trump Has Bashed Pleading The Fifth | MTP Daily | MSNBC
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2021-12-08 10:02:17 AM  

OldRod: hugram: [Fark user image 850x400]

Didn't he once say that pleading the Fifth was for mob bosses?  Sure seems to be a lot of mob bosses around him...


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2021-12-08 10:03:46 AM  

Deucednuisance: OldRod: hugram: [Fark user image 850x400]

Didn't he once say that pleading the Fifth was for mob bosses?  Sure seems to be a lot of mob bosses around him...

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Aww, he said it on my birthday too... cool
 
2021-12-08 10:04:15 AM  
Well, I appreciate the willingness for admitting to the crime at least then, and the confession and concession that crimes were committed
 
2021-12-08 10:05:20 AM  
Remember when 'evil cannibal pedo globalist' Hillary Clinton sat and answered questions for 11 hours? Or when Strzok sat before the 'House Committee on How Much Donald Trump is Innocent'?

Republican logic is apparently you must have nothing to hide if you refuse to be questioned, and are belligerently uncooperative.
 
2021-12-08 10:07:00 AM  
The fifth is you saying that you committed a crime and you don't want to tattle on yourself.
 
2021-12-08 10:07:26 AM  

OldRod: Heard on MSNBC that Mark Meadows decided not to cooperate after all because he heard they had subpoenaed his phone records.  That seems like a red flag to me.

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I hope this entire bunch of assholes goes away forever, starting with TFG


If, and that's a might big *IF* these people see the inside of a cell, TFG will be the last one in. Every other henchmen and goon will go in before him. In fact it's likely that one of them flips on TFG Cohen style for a lighter sentence. Cohen was a POS too, but he's the kind of asshole who will be motivated by vengeance and revenge, if TFG goes down, Cohen won't rest until he knows he had a hand in it.

Again, that's a might big *IF* none of our betters wants the peasantry to see that the nobility class can be held accountable, might set the wrong ideas in their heads.
 
2021-12-08 10:08:13 AM  
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2021-12-08 10:08:23 AM  
It is ever so amusing to point out how many times TFG has pointed out how wrong it is for people to plead the 5th.

You'd almost think we are unaware of double standards.  Like we've never heard of the entire GOP saying it's bad form for ANYONE to do that, until it's one of them.

It's not funny.  Blatant hypocrisy playing out in real time is never funny.  But what makes this worse is that our entire democracy is at stake, and all we've got is making fun of TFG's hypocrisy.

Too bad that's not against the law.
 
2021-12-08 10:10:48 AM  

OldRod: hugram: [Fark user image 850x400]

Didn't he once say that pleading the Fifth was for mob bosses?  Sure seems to be a lot of mob bosses around him...


One uses the analogies one knows.
 
2021-12-08 10:11:28 AM  
Just fry him on live TV. Make sure the cameras are on his face every time you drop incriminating proof no one has seen before.
 
2021-12-08 10:15:04 AM  
You can't bob your head, snap your fingers, and declare the fifth.  That's contempt.
 
2021-12-08 10:15:05 AM  

OldRod: For a bunch of people who have nothing to hide and did nothing wrong, they sure are afraid of incriminating themselves


Oh fark off. I hate the man, but honestly this narrative of taking the 5th means you have something to hide is bullshiat.

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same goes with any government agency "Asking questions" where possible.
 
2021-12-08 10:16:15 AM  

Halfabee64: You can't bob your head, snap your fingers, and declare the fifth.  That's contempt.


And there are serious consequences for contempt...
 
2021-12-08 10:16:25 AM  

lordjupiter: Which means Dems will be able to say just about anything and Stone will only plead the fifth?

That may not work out the way he envisions.


Roger "Pokerface" Stone?  I'm sure he'll handle it with his usual calm stoicism.
Roger Stone Comes Unhinged In New Deposition Footage | NowThis
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/Just ask him if he ordered the code red.
 
2021-12-08 10:17:02 AM  

LL316: The fifth is you saying that you committed a crime and you don't want to tattle on yourself.


No it absolutely does not.
 
2021-12-08 10:18:25 AM  
Fifth Amendment?!!!  That's our Phrase of the Day!!!!  Tell Roger what he's won, Don Pardo

Don Pardo:  Well, he's won an ALL EXPENSE PAID VACATION!  (applause)   to the lovely island of Cuba!  He'll stay in the fabulous Gitmo Federal Detention Facility where where he can enjoy three meals and quiet solitude!  While a guest there, he can experience the waterboarding or the solitary confinement rooms! Gitmo Detention Facility!  A five yelp facility cause if anyone gave 'em four, it would be back to the waterboarding room!  Back to you, Judge.
 
2021-12-08 10:18:54 AM  

AirForceVet: Farking Clown Shoes: Sorry, Rog - the Fif doesn't free you from having to appear before the committee. You don't have to answer any of their questions (if you want to seem really, really guilty), but you do have to appear.

Yes, I believe you are correct. And pleading the Fifth Amendment does not mean they don't have to turn over subpoenaed materials, documents, papers, etc.


Yep.  Evidence can still TOTALLY incriminate you even if you choose not to personally answer questions about it.
 
2021-12-08 10:19:56 AM  
Unless the sackless Merrick Garland grows a pair, there won't be a reckoning.
 
2021-12-08 10:20:07 AM  
Invoking "The Fifth" during a civil matter is not just pleading guilty to what you're accused of, it's basically saying "Not only did I do that, I did shiat that you wouldn't believe!"
 
2021-12-08 10:20:53 AM  
The Fifth Amendment says you can't be compelled to give testimony against yourself in a criminal case.

The Select Committee is not sitting as a Court, so the Fifth is only applicable if you committed crimes in relation to what they are investigating.
 
2021-12-08 10:25:16 AM  

X-Geek: lordjupiter: Which means Dems will be able to say just about anything and Stone will only plead the fifth?

That may not work out the way he envisions.

Roger "Pokerface" Stone?  I'm sure he'll handle it with his usual calm stoicism.
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/Just ask him if he ordered the code red.


He's more ferrety than Kavanaugh, and that's very ferrety.
 
2021-12-08 10:27:09 AM  
Actually, Ol' Rog would like prison, every day! Especially Thursday!
 
2021-12-08 10:28:24 AM  

Jeff5: The Fifth Amendment says you can't be compelled to give testimony against yourself in a criminal case.

The Select Committee is not sitting as a Court, so the Fifth is only applicable if you committed crimes in relation to what they are investigating.


Sorta, but not entirely. If the testimony you are giving could then be used to support criminal charges against you, you can invoke the 5th in that case as well.

But in cases that are not criminal (civil, testimony at congress, etc) then opposing council, deposition leaders, jurors. etc., are allowed to infer guilt or negative associations based on invoking the 5th, which you can't do in a criminal proceeding.

It's pretty useful in a civil suit following a criminal trial where the defendant was acquitted.
 
2021-12-08 10:30:52 AM  

fat_free: Actually, Ol' Rog would like prison, every day! Especially Thursday!


Shower day?
 
2021-12-08 10:33:35 AM  
That's an admission of guilt and should be treated by the courts as one.
 
2021-12-08 10:34:50 AM  
They are just trying to bide their time, and wait it out for the GOP to take over Congress to end the investigation with a Bill Barr style "summary" of the findings. This is why the Justice Department needs to name an independent counsel to investigate January 6th.
 
2021-12-08 10:36:38 AM  

Jeff5: The Fifth Amendment says you can't be compelled to give testimony against yourself in a criminal case.

The Select Committee is not sitting as a Court, so the Fifth is only applicable if you committed crimes in relation to what they are investigating.


Unfortunately, no. As a government body he absolutely has the right to invoke the fifth. The question is will the house decide his testimony is valuable enough to offer him immunity.
 
2021-12-08 10:36:41 AM  

God_Almighty_Himself: That's an admission of guilt and should be treated by the courts as one.


I'm so glad people here think treason is funny.
 
2021-12-08 10:37:14 AM  

Elliot8654: Jeff5: The Fifth Amendment says you can't be compelled to give testimony against yourself in a criminal case.

The Select Committee is not sitting as a Court, so the Fifth is only applicable if you committed crimes in relation to what they are investigating.

Sorta, but not entirely. If the testimony you are giving could then be used to support criminal charges against you, you can invoke the 5th in that case as well.

But in cases that are not criminal (civil, testimony at congress, etc) then opposing council, deposition leaders, jurors. etc., are allowed to infer guilt or negative associations based on invoking the 5th, which you can't do in a criminal proceeding.

It's pretty useful in a civil suit following a criminal trial where the defendant was acquitted.


If your testimony is likely to support criminal charges you likely committed a crime.

And nothing in the Fifth excuses you from testifying, it has to be asserted for each question; the Committee then has the option of conferring immunity for specific answers.
 
2021-12-08 10:39:31 AM  

Jeff5: Elliot8654: Jeff5: The Fifth Amendment says you can't be compelled to give testimony against yourself in a criminal case.

The Select Committee is not sitting as a Court, so the Fifth is only applicable if you committed crimes in relation to what they are investigating.

Sorta, but not entirely. If the testimony you are giving could then be used to support criminal charges against you, you can invoke the 5th in that case as well.

But in cases that are not criminal (civil, testimony at congress, etc) then opposing council, deposition leaders, jurors. etc., are allowed to infer guilt or negative associations based on invoking the 5th, which you can't do in a criminal proceeding.

It's pretty useful in a civil suit following a criminal trial where the defendant was acquitted.

If your testimony is likely to support criminal charges you likely committed a crime.

And nothing in the Fifth excuses you from testifying, it has to be asserted for each question; the Committee then has the option of conferring immunity for specific answers.


True. You do have to show up and assert the 5th when asked specific questions.
IANAL, so i would refer to an actual lawyer's podcast on how the 5th operates (and also stone cold proof on why originalism/textualism like Scalia wanted is stupid and wrong).

https://openargs.com/oa547-can-alex-jones-take-the-5th/
 
2021-12-08 10:41:04 AM  

KarmicDisaster: fat_free: Actually, Ol' Rog would like prison, every day! Especially Thursday!

Shower day?


Nope! Thursdays are Roger's days inside the rain barrel!
 
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