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(NBC News)   Not news: Six states account for more than half of the country's reported recent Covid hospitalizations. Key word: reported   (nbcnews.com) divider line
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2021-12-08 10:25:23 AM  
Texas and Florida won't admit to a damn thing.  Check their "pneumonia" deaths.
 
2021-12-08 11:23:11 AM  
MD would probably be on that list, too, if their health dept. hadn't got hit by a cyberattack.
 
2021-12-08 11:43:43 AM  
Yeah, reporting variability is huge here.

Definitely expected a somewhat different looking list, especially since it's absolute number and not % of population.
 
2021-12-08 11:43:54 AM  

bluorangefyre: Texas and Florida won't admit to a damn thing.  Check their "pneumonia" deaths.


Should be a loss of license and criminal charge to anyone that omits data regarding a public health crisis.

Death certificates aren't obits,
and shouldn't say whatever the family or your cult governor want them to.
 
2021-12-08 11:46:15 AM  

bluorangefyre: Texas and Florida won't admit to a damn thing.  Check their "pneumonia" deaths.


It must kill people like you that reality doesn't align with your political proclivities.
 
2021-12-08 11:58:37 AM  

American-Irish eyes: bluorangefyre: Texas and Florida won't admit to a damn thing.  Check their "pneumonia" deaths.

It must kill people like you that reality doesn't align with your political proclivities.


There are several counties throughout the south that have reported zero cases over the last 7 days despite having vaccination rates below 50%. How likely do you think that is?
 
2021-12-08 11:59:28 AM  

American-Irish eyes: bluorangefyre: Texas and Florida won't admit to a damn thing.  Check their "pneumonia" deaths.

It must kill people like you that reality doesn't align with your political proclivities.


I'm in Nebraska, our governor made an edict that counties with less than 20000 people in it didn't need to post numbers.
Which pretty much negates 95% of the state.

Conservatives love lack of data... it's the only time they don't look like idiots. Unfortunately it doesn't keep you from continuing to die. So enjoy the lack of data... and enjoy more death.
 
2021-12-08 12:02:30 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Should be a loss of license and criminal charge to anyone that omits data regarding a public health crisis.

Death certificates aren't obits,
and shouldn't say whatever the family or your cult governor want them to.


I know a rabid pandemic denier who was enraged that his father's cause of death was going to be listed as Covid. He claims he made them "correct" it.
 
2021-12-08 12:03:07 PM  
The way things are spiking - not just cases or positivity rates, but hospitalization and death, is starting to imply that there is a vaccine evasive strain in the Great Lakes states.

It is not PROOF of this, but given the vaccine rates, this shouldn't be happening. If cases were increasing but hospitalization/deaths were staying relatively level or slowly rising? I wouldn't be worrying. They're not, they're climbing even faster than they did last winter.

Is this Omicron? I don't know, but maybe not. Then again, we've only started looking for Omicron in the last couple of weeks, but the first confirmed detection in Chicago was reported yesterday.

The best part is nobody will care, and nobody will do nothing.
 
2021-12-08 12:10:05 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: The way things are spiking - not just cases or positivity rates, but hospitalization and death, is starting to imply that there is a vaccine evasive strain in the Great Lakes states.

It is not PROOF of this, but given the vaccine rates, this shouldn't be happening. If cases were increasing but hospitalization/deaths were staying relatively level or slowly rising? I wouldn't be worrying. They're not, they're climbing even faster than they did last winter.

Is this Omicron? I don't know, but maybe not. Then again, we've only started looking for Omicron in the last couple of weeks, but the first confirmed detection in Chicago was reported yesterday.

The best part is nobody will care, and nobody will do nothing.


Mrs. SLEZE was visiting family in Indiana a couple of weeks ago.  The level of Derp was shocking to her.  Maybe half the people she met out there were vaccinated and the other half were loudly vocalizing how they weren't going to "get the jab."  While all the SLEZEs are vaccinated as well as everyone we know around here, there are just a lot of ignorant rubes in the middle of the country.

/anecdotal evidence is anecdotes
 
2021-12-08 12:21:13 PM  
I've gone back to masking everywhere in public. We don't have to wear them at work, but local hospitalizations are at record levels, thanks to the unvaccinated jackoffs.

I may not see my immunocompromised brother or my mom at her nursing home over Christmas, to avoid exposing them.
 
2021-12-08 12:23:04 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: The way things are spiking - not just cases or positivity rates, but hospitalization and death, is starting to imply that there is a vaccine evasive strain in the Great Lakes states.


"...Every leader at Tuesday's panel said the vast majority of new COVID-19 patients are unvaccinated - from 74 percent at Marshfield Clinic to 88 percent at Froedtert..." - Wisconsin Public Radio - 'We are full. Period': Wisconsin hospital leaders say they are at a crisis point with new COVID-19 surge
 
2021-12-08 12:38:07 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: The way things are spiking - not just cases or positivity rates, but hospitalization and death, is starting to imply that there is a vaccine evasive strain in the Great Lakes states.

It is not PROOF of this, but given the vaccine rates, this shouldn't be happening. If cases were increasing but hospitalization/deaths were staying relatively level or slowly rising? I wouldn't be worrying. They're not, they're climbing even faster than they did last winter.

Is this Omicron? I don't know, but maybe not. Then again, we've only started looking for Omicron in the last couple of weeks, but the first confirmed detection in Chicago was reported yesterday.

The best part is nobody will care, and nobody will do nothing.


Exact same thing as last year.  Very low covid rates in October/November only to rise a bit in December only to go bananas in January/February.  I have no doubt this will happen again.  This is barely a blip compared to how it's going to look a month from now.

It's getting much colder and we just had thanksgiving... and Illinois, New York, and Pennsylvania all have one thing in common... Very big VERY blue cities (NYC, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Philly) and then pretty much everything else is pure rural derp that makes the whole state look bad.

Combine that with vaccines that are wearing down in effectiveness (and considering how much of a hassle it was to get people to get vaccinated in the first place, it's going to be triply harder to get people to get boosters.  Especially with a completely and totally incompetent CDC.), it's not going to be pretty.

And thanks to DJT-appointed judges, mandates, even on the state and local levels, are being thrown out left and right.

So if you hoped this would go away, it's not gonna.  Not for years.  We've simply reached the 'we just dont give a crap anymore' stage.
 
2021-12-08 12:44:40 PM  
Eventually we're going to have a credible picture just by looking at Excess Deaths numbers. Little good it will do us.
 
2021-12-08 12:47:33 PM  
It's so comforting to know that a couple of centuries of causes of death trending, and the entire field of epidemiology, are being derailed by asshats who refuse to do their jobs.
 
2021-12-08 1:34:06 PM  

MurphyMurphy: bluorangefyre: Texas and Florida won't admit to a damn thing.  Check their "pneumonia" deaths.

Should be a loss of license and criminal charge to anyone that omits data regarding a public health crisis.

Death certificates aren't obits,
and shouldn't say whatever the family or your cult governor want them to.


Every death in the US should require a blood/tissue sample taken and sent to the Federal government (as Red states can never be trusted again).

Every. One. and FARK your liberty and religion arguments with both barrels.
 
2021-12-08 1:36:56 PM  
I'm betting they're only on that list because of upstate (New York)and Downstate (Illinois), where the Stupids live.
 
2021-12-08 1:54:52 PM  

jake3988: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: The way things are spiking - not just cases or positivity rates, but hospitalization and death, is starting to imply that there is a vaccine evasive strain in the Great Lakes states.

It is not PROOF of this, but given the vaccine rates, this shouldn't be happening. If cases were increasing but hospitalization/deaths were staying relatively level or slowly rising? I wouldn't be worrying. They're not, they're climbing even faster than they did last winter.

Is this Omicron? I don't know, but maybe not. Then again, we've only started looking for Omicron in the last couple of weeks, but the first confirmed detection in Chicago was reported yesterday.

The best part is nobody will care, and nobody will do nothing.

Exact same thing as last year.  Very low covid rates in October/November only to rise a bit in December only to go bananas in January/February.  I have no doubt this will happen again.  This is barely a blip compared to how it's going to look a month from now.

It's getting much colder and we just had thanksgiving... and Illinois, New York, and Pennsylvania all have one thing in common... Very big VERY blue cities (NYC, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Philly) and then pretty much everything else is pure rural derp that makes the whole state look bad.

Combine that with vaccines that are wearing down in effectiveness (and considering how much of a hassle it was to get people to get vaccinated in the first place, it's going to be triply harder to get people to get boosters.  Especially with a completely and totally incompetent CDC.), it's not going to be pretty.

And thanks to DJT-appointed judges, mandates, even on the state and local levels, are being thrown out left and right.

So if you hoped this would go away, it's not gonna.  Not for years.  We've simply reached the 'we just dont give a crap anymore' stage.


Holidays. Large indoor unprotected gatherings.

Thanksgiving... Chanukah and/or Xmas... New Years Eve... With just enough time in-between so the infected are still asymptomatic but still contagious. Boom. Chain reaction.
 
2021-12-08 1:56:40 PM  
I meant to isolate this quote:

"Very low covid rates in October/November only to rise a bit in December only to go bananas in January/February."

My phone disagreed
 
2021-12-08 2:07:01 PM  

bluorangefyre: Texas and Florida won't admit to a damn thing.  Check their "pneumonia" deaths.


So you're proposing that there is a conspiracy of thousands of physicians?
 
2021-12-08 2:08:07 PM  

MurphyMurphy: bluorangefyre: Texas and Florida won't admit to a damn thing.  Check their "pneumonia" deaths.

Should be a loss of license and criminal charge to anyone that omits data regarding a public health crisis.

Death certificates aren't obits,
and shouldn't say whatever the family or your cult governor want them to.


Death certificates were long a purely political thing. Coroners were elected and specifically protected the elites by, say, calling a death an accident instead of a suicide, or a suicide as a murder, or a homicide as death by misadventure. Most places moved to medical examiners, I know that as recently as 2010 in Indiana there were no requirements for coroners except be elected to the position. They changed that because a coroner misidentified a dead girl in an accident, and her friend survived but with big face injuries. When they removed her bandages the family realized that their daughter was the one who had been buried, and the girl from the funeral was actually their own daughter. So now you have to take a week long certification course after you are elected. I know at least two other states still use elected coroners rather than professional MEs but I don't remember which ones. Some places with coroners don't want an ME because there is an ethical limit to how many autopsies they can perform and maintain certification, whereas coroners don't have professional accreditation to worry about, and the opioid epidemic meant more deaths than MEs can process.
 
2021-12-08 2:29:58 PM  

American-Irish eyes: bluorangefyre: Texas and Florida won't admit to a damn thing.  Check their "pneumonia" deaths.

It must kill people like you that reality doesn't align with your political proclivities.


I am down the middle, and want facts and truth, and you know, I know, and a toddler knows that Texas and Florida won't admit anything.  They have to make themselves look good.  But just how many of their own voters did they kill off in the process?
 
2021-12-08 3:12:14 PM  

FLMountainMan: bluorangefyre: Texas and Florida won't admit to a damn thing.  Check their "pneumonia" deaths.

So you're proposing that there is a conspiracy of thousands of physicians?


I would expect that doctors report to the counties who then report to the state, who then passes along the data to the CDC. It's not hard to imagine that Desantis and friends might be fiddling with the numbers at the state level.
 
2021-12-08 3:43:57 PM  

wxboy: FLMountainMan: bluorangefyre: Texas and Florida won't admit to a damn thing.  Check their "pneumonia" deaths.

So you're proposing that there is a conspiracy of thousands of physicians?

I would expect that doctors report to the counties who then report to the state, who then passes along the data to the CDC. It's not hard to imagine that Desantis and friends might be fiddling with the numbers at the state level.


If Federal matching funds are used anywhere along that chain, tell me why isn't that criminal fraud?
 
2021-12-08 3:48:58 PM  

bluorangefyre: American-Irish eyes: bluorangefyre: Texas and Florida won't admit to a damn thing.  Check their "pneumonia" deaths.

It must kill people like you that reality doesn't align with your political proclivities.

I am down the middle, and want facts and truth, and you know, I know, and a toddler knows that Texas and Florida won't admit anything.  They have to make themselves look good.  But just how many of their own voters did they kill off in the process?


Not enough?
 
2021-12-08 4:05:40 PM  

wxboy: FLMountainMan: bluorangefyre: Texas and Florida won't admit to a damn thing.  Check their "pneumonia" deaths.

So you're proposing that there is a conspiracy of thousands of physicians?

I would expect that doctors report to the counties who then report to the state, who then passes along the data to the CDC. It's not hard to imagine that Desantis and friends might be fiddling with the numbers at the state level.


I love that you're certain there's a criminal conspiracy but you don't even know how the reporting process works.  Makes it really credible.  The individual doctors certify COVID deaths through a statewide portal and to their respective county health departments.  If there were a discrepancy in deaths, you would expect county health departments to come out and identify discrepancies in the numbers.  You would also expect individual doctors and hospitals to identify discrepancies.

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: wxboy: FLMountainMan: bluorangefyre: Texas and Florida won't admit to a damn thing.  Check their "pneumonia" deaths.

So you're proposing that there is a conspiracy of thousands of physicians?

I would expect that doctors report to the counties who then report to the state, who then passes along the data to the CDC. It's not hard to imagine that Desantis and friends might be fiddling with the numbers at the state level.

If Federal matching funds are used anywhere along that chain, tell me why isn't that criminal fraud?


You would also expect the numerous independent state and federal auditors to have found this fraud, since it would be so easy to report.

It's almost as if....
 
2021-12-08 4:29:08 PM  

FLMountainMan: wxboy: FLMountainMan: bluorangefyre: Texas and Florida won't admit to a damn thing.  Check their "pneumonia" deaths.

So you're proposing that there is a conspiracy of thousands of physicians?

I would expect that doctors report to the counties who then report to the state, who then passes along the data to the CDC. It's not hard to imagine that Desantis and friends might be fiddling with the numbers at the state level.

I love that you're certain there's a criminal conspiracy but you don't even know how the reporting process works.  Makes it really credible.  The individual doctors certify COVID deaths through a statewide portal and to their respective county health departments.  If there were a discrepancy in deaths, you would expect county health departments to come out and identify discrepancies in the numbers.  You would also expect individual doctors and hospitals to identify discrepancies.

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: wxboy: FLMountainMan: bluorangefyre: Texas and Florida won't admit to a damn thing.  Check their "pneumonia" deaths.

So you're proposing that there is a conspiracy of thousands of physicians?

I would expect that doctors report to the counties who then report to the state, who then passes along the data to the CDC. It's not hard to imagine that Desantis and friends might be fiddling with the numbers at the state level.

If Federal matching funds are used anywhere along that chain, tell me why isn't that criminal fraud?

You would also expect the numerous independent state and federal auditors to have found this fraud, since it would be so easy to report.

It's almost as if....


Doctors and nurses wouldn't even potentially know the total count at their whole facility and as they're buried in Freedumb scum, who's got time to count and compare notes?

"The individual doctors certify COVID deaths through a statewide portal..."

Imma gonna stop you there, because that is where the Red Fraud is finalized and made official.

"He who controls the databases controls the numbers". From Florida to Missouri.
 
2021-12-09 11:56:56 AM  
In my state they let the family decide what is put on the death certificate as cause of death. Because to admit they were wrong just wouldnt be stigginit enough.

/ self correcting problem
// eventually
/// *cough*
 
2021-12-09 12:31:57 PM  

Heraclitus: In my state they let the family decide what is put on the death certificate as cause of death. Because to admit they were wrong just wouldnt be stigginit enough.

/ self correcting problem
// eventually
/// *cough*


No, they don't.  Where do you people come up with this shiat?

https://revisor.mo.gov/main/OneSectio​n​.aspx?section=193.145
 
2021-12-09 2:32:23 PM  

FLMountainMan: Heraclitus: In my state they let the family decide what is put on the death certificate as cause of death. Because to admit they were wrong just wouldnt be stigginit enough.

/ self correcting problem
// eventually
/// *cough*

No, they don't.  Where do you people come up with this shiat?

https://revisor.mo.gov/main/OneSection​.aspx?section=193.145


yes they do.

LIAR!
 
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