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(Times of Israel)   Israeli AG on Israeli Trump's attack on Israel's democracy: "We pulled through by the grace of God"   (timesofisrael.com) divider line
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2021-12-08 4:18:39 AM  
No prime minister (or president) who is on trial for serious offenses should be allowed to remain in office.
 
2021-12-08 7:45:27 AM  
Netanyahu firmly established Israel as a subsidiary of the GOP.  That's going to leave a mark.
 
2021-12-08 10:39:25 AM  
Can the US borrow Israel's AG for a bit, then?
 
2021-12-08 10:39:29 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Netanyahu firmly established Israel as a subsidiary of the GOP.  That's going to leave a mark.


It says a lot when you got the Haredi and the Israeli Arabs to dislike you so much that they are willing to work together in a government.
 
2021-12-08 10:40:36 AM  
"He added that while Netanyahu was no longer in charge, "We need safeguards for the future. It could repeat itself. There's no guarantee for democracy, that's my lesson from all this." "

Seems like he learned more than Democrats here did.
 
2021-12-08 10:50:51 AM  
FTFA, from Netanyahu cronies: "Mandelblit himself admits that he sought to bring down Prime Minister Netanyahu," they went on. "Mandelblit should be reminded that in a democracy the people choose their leaders, not the attorney general."

And here I thought conservative nutjobs liked pointing out that we (and presumably Israel) are republics, not democracies.  Or is that only when they're on the opposite side of public opinion?
 
2021-12-08 10:50:59 AM  
Did they ever evict that deadbeat from the Prime Minister's residence? And does he have more than the one kid? I know there is one boy that is corrupt as fark. His wife is too. And of course he is in addition to spending the last 30 years trying to force the US to topple the Iranian regime by screaming "They are six months away from the bomb!"
 
2021-12-08 10:52:12 AM  

CarnySaur: Can the US borrow Israel's AG for a bit, then?


I'll take some of that sweet Israeli socialism!
 
2021-12-08 10:57:50 AM  
I know Yair Lapid is a handsome fella, but calling him God is a step too far.
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Seriously, if he hadn't joined the coalition, we'd have 15 more years of Bibi followed by 25 years of his son.
 
2021-12-08 11:09:39 AM  

dsmith42: Did they ever evict that deadbeat from the Prime Minister's residence? And does he have more than the one kid? I know there is one boy that is corrupt as fark. His wife is too. And of course he is in addition to spending the last 30 years trying to force the US to topple the Iranian regime by screaming "They are six months away from the bomb!"


He has a younger kid that mostly stays out of politics and an older daughter from a previous marriage who's estranged AFAIK (the current wife keeps her away).
 
2021-12-08 11:15:15 AM  
Yes, the grace of god, and 3.5 billion USD.
 
2021-12-08 11:15:56 AM  

Toxophil: Yes, the grace of god, and 3.5 billion USD.


...every year.
 
2021-12-08 11:16:31 AM  

SirGunslinger: Marcus Aurelius: Netanyahu firmly established Israel as a subsidiary of the GOP.  That's going to leave a mark.

It says a lot when you got the Haredi and the Israeli Arabs to dislike you so much that they are willing to work together in a government.


I get the sentiment, but that's not accurate. The haredi (ultra-Orthodox Jewish) parties side with Bibi and are in the opposition. It is the Religious Zionist Jews (think settlements) that are in the same government coalition with an Arab Islamist party -- plus with other rightists, leftists, and centrists.
 
2021-12-08 11:18:30 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Netanyahu firmly established Israel as a subsidiary of the GOP.  That's going to leave a mark.


America's new ambassador to Israel (or maybe it's the other way around) recently said that one of his priorities is to stop that and make pro-Israel sentiment a bipartisan thing again.
 
2021-12-08 11:18:34 AM  

bostonguy: SirGunslinger: Marcus Aurelius: Netanyahu firmly established Israel as a subsidiary of the GOP.  That's going to leave a mark.

It says a lot when you got the Haredi and the Israeli Arabs to dislike you so much that they are willing to work together in a government.

I get the sentiment, but that's not accurate. The haredi (ultra-Orthodox Jewish) parties side with Bibi and are in the opposition. It is the Religious Zionist Jews (think settlements) that are in the same government coalition with an Arab Islamist party -- plus with other rightists, leftists, and centrists.


That's the one. I get them mixed up. It is like tracking all the different Hasidic sects in the US. >_<
 
2021-12-08 11:21:04 AM  

tyyreaunn: FTFA, from Netanyahu cronies: "Mandelblit himself admits that he sought to bring down Prime Minister Netanyahu," they went on. "Mandelblit should be reminded that in a democracy the people choose their leaders, not the attorney general."

And here I thought conservative nutjobs liked pointing out that we (and presumably Israel) are republics, not democracies.  Or is that only when they're on the opposite side of public opinion?


You presume wrong - Israel is a parliamentary democracy.

People directly elect their local parliament (Knesset) rep from one of maybe a half-dozen "real" parties (generally since the 1990s, the major players are Likud, a left/center-left few, and various flavors of wingnuttery. I'm glossing over a bunch of stuff). Whoever elects the most reps (or forms a coalition of 61 Ministers of Knessets' votes) gets to pick the Prime Minister.

Which is where the term comes from.

// and now you know
// the US is a federated republic of states, which does things differently and somehow MORE confusingly
// but basically: we separate that Prime Minister job into its own role, with its own special election, and made it the head of its own branch of government
 
2021-12-08 11:22:04 AM  

bostonguy: Marcus Aurelius: Netanyahu firmly established Israel as a subsidiary of the GOP.  That's going to leave a mark.

America's new ambassador to Israel (or maybe it's the other way around) recently said that one of his priorities is to stop that and make pro-Israel sentiment a bipartisan thing again.


I think that's unlikely to happen.  Bibi spending the past 7 years publicly fellating Republicans has left a hell of a mark.

Really a huge self-own on his part.
 
2021-12-08 11:37:19 AM  
We're still in serious trouble, and I fear we may never get out.
 
2021-12-08 11:54:18 AM  
Fun fact: A Mandelblit is a baby Mandelbrot.
 
2021-12-08 12:00:29 PM  

Toxophil: Toxophil: Yes, the grace of god, and 3.5 billion USD.

...every year.


Bankrolling genocide is just so much fun.
 
2021-12-08 12:01:05 PM  

Dr Dreidel: tyyreaunn: FTFA, from Netanyahu cronies: "Mandelblit himself admits that he sought to bring down Prime Minister Netanyahu," they went on. "Mandelblit should be reminded that in a democracy the people choose their leaders, not the attorney general."

And here I thought conservative nutjobs liked pointing out that we (and presumably Israel) are republics, not democracies.  Or is that only when they're on the opposite side of public opinion?

You presume wrong - Israel is a parliamentary democracy.

People directly elect their local parliament (Knesset) rep from one of maybe a half-dozen "real" parties (generally since the 1990s, the major players are Likud, a left/center-left few, and various flavors of wingnuttery. I'm glossing over a bunch of stuff). Whoever elects the most reps (or forms a coalition of 61 Ministers of Knessets' votes) gets to pick the Prime Minister.

Which is where the term comes from.

// and now you know
// the US is a federated republic of states, which does things differently and somehow MORE confusingly
// but basically: we separate that Prime Minister job into its own role, with its own special election, and made it the head of its own branch of government


Since you want to use Wikipedia as a source, even the main Israel page says it's a "unitary parliamentary constitutional republic".

A republic is nothing more than a representative democracy, unless you're into esoteric political philosophy.  A constitutional republic just has rules that are slightly harder to change than laws, requiring amendments and stuff like that.  They're all democracies with extra steps.

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2021-12-08 12:03:11 PM  

bthom37: "He added that while Netanyahu was no longer in charge, "We need safeguards for the future. It could repeat itself. There's no guarantee for democracy, that's my lesson from all this." "

Seems like he learned more than Democrats here did.


THERE NOT A DEMOCRACY THERE A PARLAMENT
 
2021-12-08 12:04:25 PM  
bighairyguy:

Fun fact: A Mandelblit is a baby Mandelbrot.

Un fact:  a Mandelbrot is a kosher bratwurst.

From Putin to Xi to trump to Kim, Bolsonaro, MSB  Bibi, etc. authoritarians around the world have been helping others; to fracture alliances, break unions, dishonor treaties, exploit the poor, savage the environment, undermine democracies, violate norms, and pervert faiths; all in pursuits of gaining and maintaining power.
 
2021-12-08 12:04:28 PM  

austerity101: Toxophil: Toxophil: Yes, the grace of god, and 3.5 billion USD.

...every year.

Bankrolling genocide is just so much fun.


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2021-12-08 12:05:51 PM  
And I was assured by Fark's top political, uh, "pundits", in this very forum that Netanyahu is Israel's eternal Prime-Minister and he will remain in office his entire natural (and possibly unnatural) life.
And when does Trump's trial begin? they can share a cell.
 
2021-12-08 12:09:23 PM  

TappingTheVein: And I was assured by Fark's top political, uh, "pundits", in this very forum that Netanyahu is Israel's eternal Prime-Minister and he will remain in office his entire natural (and possibly unnatural) life.
And when does Trump's trial begin? they can share a cell.


Throw in Bush Jr. and Kissinger and make it a lemon party!
 
2021-12-08 12:12:33 PM  
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I'm sure the extra orange complexion is a sheer coincidence too right?
 
2021-12-08 12:18:39 PM  

bthom37: bostonguy: Marcus Aurelius: Netanyahu firmly established Israel as a subsidiary of the GOP.  That's going to leave a mark.

America's new ambassador to Israel (or maybe it's the other way around) recently said that one of his priorities is to stop that and make pro-Israel sentiment a bipartisan thing again.

I think that's unlikely to happen.  Bibi spending the past 7 years publicly fellating Republicans has left a hell of a mark.

Really a huge self-own on his part.


Add to this the apartheid like policies regarding Palestinians and it's going to be a bit before I look at Israel as a friend again.

I definitely do not want Israel destroyed, but just as I understand that people look at US citizens sideways due to Trump and Bush, Israel has to understand some of the looks they are getting now.
 
2021-12-08 12:18:45 PM  

TappingTheVein: And I was assured by Fark's top political, uh, "pundits", in this very forum that Netanyahu is Israel's eternal Prime-Minister and he will remain in office his entire natural (and possibly unnatural) life.
And when does Trump's trial begin? they can share a cell.


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and here we have the tried and true whataboutism of the Zionism defenders. it's step one in an entrenched process.

step four is accusing you of anti-Semitism.
 
2021-12-08 12:30:41 PM  
I declare Fark an "Apartheid Free" zone!
 
2021-12-08 12:33:59 PM  

SirGunslinger: bostonguy: SirGunslinger: Marcus Aurelius: Netanyahu firmly established Israel as a subsidiary of the GOP.  That's going to leave a mark.

It says a lot when you got the Haredi and the Israeli Arabs to dislike you so much that they are willing to work together in a government.

I get the sentiment, but that's not accurate. The haredi (ultra-Orthodox Jewish) parties side with Bibi and are in the opposition. It is the Religious Zionist Jews (think settlements) that are in the same government coalition with an Arab Islamist party -- plus with other rightists, leftists, and centrists.

That's the one. I get them mixed up. It is like tracking all the different Hasidic sects in the US. >_<


Everyone's a goyim to the hasidic...
 
2021-12-08 12:36:02 PM  

Toxophil: Yes, the grace of god, and 3.5 billion USD.


That's not enough just for rent subsidies in Tel Aviv I hear.
 
2021-12-08 3:27:57 PM  

Marcos P: SirGunslinger: bostonguy: SirGunslinger: Marcus Aurelius: Netanyahu firmly established Israel as a subsidiary of the GOP.  That's going to leave a mark.

It says a lot when you got the Haredi and the Israeli Arabs to dislike you so much that they are willing to work together in a government.

I get the sentiment, but that's not accurate. The haredi (ultra-Orthodox Jewish) parties side with Bibi and are in the opposition. It is the Religious Zionist Jews (think settlements) that are in the same government coalition with an Arab Islamist party -- plus with other rightists, leftists, and centrists.

That's the one. I get them mixed up. It is like tracking all the different Hasidic sects in the US. >_<

Everyone's a goyim to the hasidic...


Even the converts to Hasidim Orthodox Judaism and Baal Teshuva are treated like goyim to the Hasidim, despite dropping everything in their previous life to become indistinguishable to other Hasidic Jews. Crazy that the Hasidim put so many obstacles in the non-Jews' path to conversion, and commit so many resources to convince a non-Orthodox born Jew that practicing Orthodoxy is the best thing to do in their life (aka, the Kiruv Movement), that after that the person emerges as an Orthodox Jew both halachically and in practice, they still aren't considered trustworthy!
 
2021-12-09 2:03:57 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: and here we have the tried and true whataboutism of the Zionism defenders. it's step one in an entrenched process.


The fark? I know you're reaching but how exactly is that "whataboutism"? what position was I trying to discredit by pointing out Fark's political tab residents were wrong and Trump should join Netenyahu in his jail cell? I'm genuinely intrigued.

Giant Clown Shoe: step four is accusing you of anti-Semitism.


You're not an anti-semite, BDS are but that's not me saying it, it's the Germans but what do they know about this stuff, right? as Fark's record holder in ignoring evidence refuting your clueless bullshiat about this, I'm sure you'll deal with this in a mature, rational way. Just like the morons blaming Israel for a non-existent genocide, best of luck with your embargo.
 
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