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2021-12-08 5:01:18 AM  
Good
 
2021-12-08 5:09:25 AM  
Will never happen. Especially if employers are required to provide health insurance for "full-time" employees.
 
2021-12-08 5:11:24 AM  
 4 day work week?  Great!  Now I can work 3 jobs!!!!
 
2021-12-08 5:16:23 AM  
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2021-12-08 5:17:07 AM  
But how can we proactively leverage the 30,000-foot view of our North Star synergies without 4:30PM Friday all-hands cohort huddles to circle back in these trying, unprecedented times?
 
2021-12-08 5:17:22 AM  
GQP in the senate won't back it and the folks still pissed off at the situation will continue to vote GQP.
 
2021-12-08 5:22:44 AM  
My feeling is that most 'office' jobs could probably be accomplished in 15-20h per week.

I work from home, and my feeling is that because I'm here by myself most of the day, I just sit here and do what I need to do and that's the end of it.  People who have to schlep into the office (discounting the commute) from my experience spend a lot of the day walking around and talking to people.

I'm not bothered by any of it.  Makes the world go 'round I guess...though I admit I'm attracted to a four-day week if only that it acknowledges and institutionalizes what everyone knows privately to be true.
 
2021-12-08 5:41:40 AM  

mistahtom: GQP in the senate won't back it and the folks still pissed off at the situation will continue to vote GQP.


Moderate Dems in the house won't even support this.  It's like when the reps from the DC area in VA and MD propose massive raises for federal employees every year.  It goes no where.
 
2021-12-08 5:43:19 AM  
Yes! Now I can get weekend pay for an extra day.
 
2021-12-08 5:52:36 AM  
Yay now we can be like France.
 
2021-12-08 5:55:14 AM  
hell I'd be up for a 4-day work week of 10-hour days.
 
2021-12-08 5:56:36 AM  
Our company does short week shifts, 4x10, 3x12, some odd part time shifts too. Our people love them. Production seems to be happy too.
 
2021-12-08 5:57:27 AM  
I work a 9/80 schedule so I have every other Friday off. But when I was an hourly worker in the restaurant business as a cook, a 4 day work week meant 32 hours of pay instead of 40. That loss of 8 hours pay would be a fiscal burden.

My question, is there anything that would make incomes comparable? If not there will be a lot of people seeing this as a forced pay cut, making their struggle even worse.
 
2021-12-08 6:04:23 AM  

tfresh: Yay now we can be like France.


Nope, no luck there.  It's a 35 hour week, but it's five days.  Plus, most people work much more than 35h.  I work about as much as I did in North America on a weekly basis, but I do get a lot more vacation.
 
2021-12-08 6:04:49 AM  
A 32 hour, 4 day work week will only work for some jobs and to have over time start at 32 hours will be costly for us. Four 10 hour days would be better but again, not for all jobs. The job mandates the hours worked, the government mandates when when over time starts. I worked for a company and my job had to be covered 24/7 365.25 days a year. We had a four day, 10 hour clause in our union contract and it was never used, it just would  not work for the company or us.
 
2021-12-08 6:08:03 AM  

Fly Catcher: A 32 hour, 4 day work week will only work for some jobs and to have over time start at 32 hours will be costly for us. Four 10 hour days would be better but again, not for all jobs. The job mandates the hours worked, the government mandates when when over time starts. I worked for a company and my job had to be covered 24/7 365.25 days a year. We had a four day, 10 hour clause in our union contract and it was never used, it just would  not work for the company or us.



I'm sure people said the exact same thing about the 5-day week.  There are lots of 4-day weeks in a year due to holidays.  What do you do then?
 
2021-12-08 6:16:38 AM  
Like the idea, but this will never pass the House, let alone the Senate. Even if it did, there would be huge loopholes for "exempt" workers (just like there was for the 40 hour week) making this all but meaningless except for government workers who already have a lavish benefits package.
 
2021-12-08 6:26:00 AM  

KWess: My feeling is that most 'office' jobs could probably be accomplished in 15-20h per week.

I work from home, and my feeling is that because I'm here by myself most of the day, I just sit here and do what I need to do and that's the end of it.  People who have to schlep into the office (discounting the commute) from my experience spend a lot of the day walking around and talking to people.

I'm not bothered by any of it.  Makes the world go 'round I guess...though I admit I'm attracted to a four-day week if only that it acknowledges and institutionalizes what everyone knows privately to be true.


Most jobs office jobs do only need 15-20 hours per week. I'm currently juggling 6 projects instead of 1 and doing waaaaay more than that, but my company is mandating 3 days in the office. They're going to learn they can get me to do crazy hours from home OR a normal 9-5 in the office, but not both.

/and yes, I'm looking for other opportunities (but as a promotion)
 
2021-12-08 6:33:21 AM  

Spass_Taschen: KWess: My feeling is that most 'office' jobs could probably be accomplished in 15-20h per week.

I work from home, and my feeling is that because I'm here by myself most of the day, I just sit here and do what I need to do and that's the end of it.  People who have to schlep into the office (discounting the commute) from my experience spend a lot of the day walking around and talking to people.

I'm not bothered by any of it.  Makes the world go 'round I guess...though I admit I'm attracted to a four-day week if only that it acknowledges and institutionalizes what everyone knows privately to be true.

Most jobs office jobs do only need 15-20 hours per week. I'm currently juggling 6 projects instead of 1 and doing waaaaay more than that, but my company is mandating 3 days in the office. They're going to learn they can get me to do crazy hours from home OR a normal 9-5 in the office, but not both.

/and yes, I'm looking for other opportunities (but as a promotion)



Also haben wir keinen Spass?
 
2021-12-08 6:37:28 AM  
KWess: Fly Catcher: A 32 hour, 4 day work week will only work for some jobs and to have over time start at 32 hours will be costly for us. Four 10 hour days would be better but again, not for all jobs. The job mandates the hours worked, the government mandates when when over time starts. I worked for a company and my job had to be covered 24/7 365.25 days a year. We had a four day, 10 hour clause in our union contract and it was never used, it just would not work for the company or us.


I'm sure people said the exact same thing about the 5-day week. There are lots of 4-day weeks in a year due to holidays. What do you do then?


On my job, if the holiday fell on a day that I would be working I would be payed for it. On a day I would be normally be working I would normally work it at double time and also be payed for the holiday, 3 days pay for 8 hours work, not bad!
 
2021-12-08 6:38:32 AM  

Shaggy_C: except for government workers who already have a lavish benefits package.


Hey, not their fault private industry screwed over their own workers by gutting corporate benefits.

Used to be a fed job was an object of scorn because you'd be making shiat money compared to what your make in the private sector, plus the benefits you'd get from the company. Once companies started getting rid of private health insurance, pensions, and the like, government gigs became a lot more worthwhile, even if you did take a pay cut
 
2021-12-08 6:41:39 AM  
4 day work week..... for congress? Something tells me that my boss isn't gonna go along with that one.
 
2021-12-08 6:59:14 AM  
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No one noticed the poll at the bottom? This is never going to happen. Americans hate themselves too much.
 
2021-12-08 7:05:43 AM  

Burn_The_Plows: Will never happen. Especially if employers are required to provide health insurance for "full-time" employees.


"Full time" at my employer is 30 hours per week in order to get benefits.  Four eight hours days is lovely, and what I'm hoping to get back to once the newbies are a bit better trained.
 
2021-12-08 7:13:19 AM  
Umm, might as well introduce a bill making Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny real.
 
2021-12-08 7:14:39 AM  

somedude210: Hey, not their fault private industry screwed over their own workers by gutting corporate benefits.

Used to be a fed job was an object of scorn because you'd be making shiat money compared to what your make in the private sector, plus the benefits you'd get from the company. Once companies started getting rid of private health insurance, pensions, and the like, government gigs became a lot more worthwhile, even if you did take a pay cut


Indeed. My old man did 40 years between the military and DoD roles and thanks to the combination of active duty retired pay and pension his income is higher today than it was before he retired. Add in social security and 401k minimum withdrawals and he's desperately trying to burn through cash and avoid taxes. Good for the grandkids 529 plans, but something seems off about this whole thing.

No way could a private sector company justify that kind of inverse cash flow, where more money goes to nonproductive retirees than current workers. But, when your reven is dependent not upon consumer purchases but on congressional appropriations, the calculus changes drastically.
 
2021-12-08 7:17:23 AM  

KWess: My feeling is that most 'office' jobs could probably be accomplished in 15-20h per week.

I work from home, and my feeling is that because I'm here by myself most of the day, I just sit here and do what I need to do and that's the end of it.  People who have to schlep into the office (discounting the commute) from my experience spend a lot of the day walking around and talking to people.

I'm not bothered by any of it.  Makes the world go 'round I guess...though I admit I'm attracted to a four-day week if only that it acknowledges and institutionalizes what everyone knows privately to be true.


Trouble is, if they ever then decide to undo the reduced work week legislation later, bosses and owners *also* know that everyone acknowledged and institutionalized the 20% workforce layoff that'll be coming down the pipe right before the next holiday.
 
2021-12-08 7:27:39 AM  
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2021-12-08 7:32:25 AM  
I mean, that sounds nice and all, but how about paid family leave and a living minimum wage?
 
2021-12-08 7:37:27 AM  

Burn_The_Plows: Will never happen. Especially if employers are required to provide health insurance for "full-time" employees.


We can do something about that second bit, too.
 
2021-12-08 7:43:24 AM  

Burn_The_Plows: Will never happen. Especially if employers are required to provide health insurance for "full-time" employees.


They already are.  Health Insurance is already required to be provided at 30 hours work a week (it was 40, Obamacare changed it to 30)

I'm guessing all this would do is change overtime, which would only impact hourly workers.  Salaried workers, that would have to be a decision from companies.  And companies are not gonna start paying people the same amount for 32 hours... ESPECIALLY because of the major lack of workers we have goin on.  (Although perhaps there's a hope that that's another perk that companies finally start throwing in to attract more workers)

OTOH, I'm salaried for 40 hours and most certainly don't actually work 40 hours... but that's because I work fast and we rarely have enough work.  Not to mention, we're hybrid.  As long as I get my work done, they don't know I'm not working 40 hours nor do they care.  They just want their work done.  And I'm promoted as high as I can go, there's no reason to work more.
 
2021-12-08 7:59:51 AM  
That's great news for employers that pay an hourly wage!

/they'd just have to ensure avoiding paying overtime is all
 
2021-12-08 8:02:01 AM  
Probably long past due. I don't know why everyone has to work themselves to death in "the richest country in the world". Luckily, I've been working remotely for a long time now with a 35 hour work week. As long as they don't promote me, I'm golden.
 
2021-12-08 8:06:23 AM  

Chompachangas: I don't know why everyone has to work themselves to death in "the richest country in the world".


It's not as if we became the "richest country in the world" almost entirely through unpaid and underpaid labor policies...oh, right.
 
2021-12-08 8:08:24 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Chompachangas: I don't know why everyone has to work themselves to death in "the richest country in the world".

It's not as if we became the "richest country in the world" almost entirely through unpaid and underpaid labor policies...oh, right.


Ding ding ding
 
2021-12-08 8:08:47 AM  

jake3988: Burn_The_Plows: Will never happen. Especially if employers are required to provide health insurance for "full-time" employees.

They already are.  Health Insurance is already required to be provided at 30 hours work a week (it was 40, Obamacare changed it to 30)

I'm guessing all this would do is change overtime, which would only impact hourly workers.  Salaried workers, that would have to be a decision from companies.  And companies are not gonna start paying people the same amount for 32 hours... ESPECIALLY because of the major lack of workers we have goin on.  (Although perhaps there's a hope that that's another perk that companies finally start throwing in to attract more workers)

OTOH, I'm salaried for 40 hours and most certainly don't actually work 40 hours... but that's because I work fast and we rarely have enough work.  Not to mention, we're hybrid.  As long as I get my work done, they don't know I'm not working 40 hours nor do they care.  They just want their work done.  And I'm promoted as high as I can go, there's no reason to work more.


We don't have a lack of workers. We have plenty of people willing and able to work, just for a living wage. What you're witnessing are workers fed up with being paid slave wages for putting their life on the line during a pandemic. That's why you're seeing restaurant employees walking off, and nurses burning out. These people put up with so much shiat from people that federal minimum wage ($7.50(?)/hr) just is not worth the stress and bullshiat.

You want workers, you have to start paying good wages and stop biatching when your employees walk off because you're the boss from hell
 
2021-12-08 8:35:21 AM  

somedude210: jake3988: Burn_The_Plows: Will never happen. Especially if employers are required to provide health insurance for "full-time" employees.

They already are.  Health Insurance is already required to be provided at 30 hours work a week (it was 40, Obamacare changed it to 30)

I'm guessing all this would do is change overtime, which would only impact hourly workers.  Salaried workers, that would have to be a decision from companies.  And companies are not gonna start paying people the same amount for 32 hours... ESPECIALLY because of the major lack of workers we have goin on.  (Although perhaps there's a hope that that's another perk that companies finally start throwing in to attract more workers)

OTOH, I'm salaried for 40 hours and most certainly don't actually work 40 hours... but that's because I work fast and we rarely have enough work.  Not to mention, we're hybrid.  As long as I get my work done, they don't know I'm not working 40 hours nor do they care.  They just want their work done.  And I'm promoted as high as I can go, there's no reason to work more.

We don't have a lack of workers. We have plenty of people willing and able to work, just for a living wage. What you're witnessing are workers fed up with being paid slave wages for putting their life on the line during a pandemic. That's why you're seeing restaurant employees walking off, and nurses burning out. These people put up with so much shiat from people that federal minimum wage ($7.50(?)/hr) just is not worth the stress and bullshiat.

You want workers, you have to start paying good wages and stop biatching when your employees walk off because you're the boss from hell


Yes, there is.  Baby Boomers retired like wildfire last year.  Many people have died from covid.  People are off the job with disability due to covid side effects. Mothers, in particular, are off the job to take care of children afraid to put their kid in daycare which was a hotbed of disease even before covid (or to take care of kids because their spouse died).  People quit to go back to school.  There's plenty more reasons I'm not typing here.  The worker shortage is affecting almost all jobs and all industries, not just minimum wage jobs which are a small fraction of the workforce.

Not to say we shouldn't raise the minimum wage, because we should (TO A REASONABLE LEVEL, NOT ELEVENTY BILLION DOLLARS)... but perhaps think before you just repeat a stupid tired partisan talking point.
 
2021-12-08 8:37:14 AM  

jake3988: Not to say we shouldn't raise the minimum wage, because we should (TO A REASONABLE LEVEL


Reasonable for who?
 
2021-12-08 8:42:41 AM  

jake3988: somedude210: jake3988: Burn_The_Plows: Will never happen. Especially if employers are required to provide health insurance for "full-time" employees.

They already are.  Health Insurance is already required to be provided at 30 hours work a week (it was 40, Obamacare changed it to 30)

I'm guessing all this would do is change overtime, which would only impact hourly workers.  Salaried workers, that would have to be a decision from companies.  And companies are not gonna start paying people the same amount for 32 hours... ESPECIALLY because of the major lack of workers we have goin on.  (Although perhaps there's a hope that that's another perk that companies finally start throwing in to attract more workers)

OTOH, I'm salaried for 40 hours and most certainly don't actually work 40 hours... but that's because I work fast and we rarely have enough work.  Not to mention, we're hybrid.  As long as I get my work done, they don't know I'm not working 40 hours nor do they care.  They just want their work done.  And I'm promoted as high as I can go, there's no reason to work more.

We don't have a lack of workers. We have plenty of people willing and able to work, just for a living wage. What you're witnessing are workers fed up with being paid slave wages for putting their life on the line during a pandemic. That's why you're seeing restaurant employees walking off, and nurses burning out. These people put up with so much shiat from people that federal minimum wage ($7.50(?)/hr) just is not worth the stress and bullshiat.

You want workers, you have to start paying good wages and stop biatching when your employees walk off because you're the boss from hell

Yes, there is.  Baby Boomers retired like wildfire last year.  Many people have died from covid.  People are off the job with disability due to covid side effects. Mothers, in particular, are off the job to take care of children afraid to put their kid in daycare which was a hotbed of disease even before covid (or to take care of kids because their spouse died).  People quit to go back to school.  There's plenty more reasons I'm not typing here.  The worker shortage is affecting almost all jobs and all industries, not just minimum wage jobs which are a small fraction of the workforce.

Not to say we shouldn't raise the minimum wage, because we should (TO A REASONABLE LEVEL, NOT ELEVENTY BILLION DOLLARS)... but perhaps think before you just repeat a stupid tired partisan talking point.


Really? Eleventy billion dollars? Talk about repeating tired old talking points
 
2021-12-08 8:49:14 AM  

somedude210: Shaggy_C: except for government workers who already have a lavish benefits package.

Hey, not their fault private industry screwed over their own workers by gutting corporate benefits.

Used to be a fed job was an object of scorn because you'd be making shiat money compared to what your make in the private sector, plus the benefits you'd get from the company. Once companies started getting rid of private health insurance, pensions, and the like, government gigs became a lot more worthwhile, even if you did take a pay cut


When I started in the work force, 45 years ago, at a very large company, there were plenty of people there that were just keeping time until they could get a government job. I have a friend that complains constantly about taxes and government waste, but has had his pay and benefits from government jobs for 40 years. Government jobs have always been cushy, as long as you could put up with red tape and high school bullies in management.
 
2021-12-08 9:02:44 AM  
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2021-12-08 9:08:29 AM  
Personally I think that this is a bad idea to legislate. Congress should be more concerned about increasing wages, through universal college/trade school, growth of unions, and raising the minimum wage. Let the jobs and workers determine the work week. From personal experience, working overtime is not as bad if it is worth your time. Same with a 40 hour job. Paid leave for when needed is way better than a 32 our work week in my opinion also.

The intentions are good, but what good is an extra day off if you already cannot afford to enjoy the two you already have? Finding ways to increase incomes and increase opportunities to get the qualifications to get the better high paying jobs would be a better course of action in my opinion.
 
2021-12-08 9:16:18 AM  

KWess: My feeling is that most 'office' jobs could probably be accomplished in 15-20h per week.

I work from home, and my feeling is that because I'm here by myself most of the day, I just sit here and do what I need to do and that's the end of it.  People who have to schlep into the office (discounting the commute) from my experience spend a lot of the day walking around and talking to people.

I'm not bothered by any of it.  Makes the world go 'round I guess...though I admit I'm attracted to a four-day week if only that it acknowledges and institutionalizes what everyone knows privately to be true.


I've noticed this too. I have a lot more "free" time working from home. I felt bad about it but then realized that at the office I would spend the same amount of time stuck in conversations about people's kids at the water cooler, so instead I get to hunt Pokemon in Shining Pearl for a few minutes every hour or so and keep my sanity
 
2021-12-08 9:34:45 AM  
This is what they're devoting their time and effort to?
This is utter nonsense, and contributes to the lack of credibility the Democratic Party continues to suffer.
 
2021-12-08 9:53:48 AM  
If they shorten the work week then when the bell will I be able to get on Fark?
 
2021-12-08 9:55:05 AM  

Palined Parenthood: If they shorten the work week then when the bell will I be able to get on Fark?


Something big is about to drop. I'm thinking Thursday?
 
2021-12-08 10:00:21 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Palined Parenthood: If they shorten the work week then when the bell will I be able to get on Fark?

Something big is about to drop. I'm thinking Thursday?


Ha! *Rimshot*
 
2021-12-08 11:09:10 AM  
My best work schedule meant i worked 12 hr days for half the month: 3 days on, 2 off, then 2 on and 3 off. I freaking loved it. To make it fair, the night shifts rotated with the day shift every other month. I could not understand the complainers: same salary, plenty of break time, etc. Yes, 12 hrs on is a long time but the amount of off time was equal and we only worked 15 days of every 30. There will always be " My diamond shoes are too tight!" people. It was a good two years but the complainers eventually won. "The cafeteria has too much free caviar!"
 
2021-12-08 11:26:14 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Palined Parenthood: If they shorten the work week then when the bell will I be able to get on Fark?

Something big is about to drop. I'm thinking Thursday?


Now, now, don't be silly!
 
2021-12-08 11:29:04 AM  
It's crazy to watch people just not even be able to conceive of anything less than a 40-hour work week. It wasn't that long ago historically speaking that we didn't even have one of those, and tou can thank unions for that. Stop pretending like this is the only way that work can function.
 
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