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(Ottawa Citizen)   Elon Musk's Neuralink to begin implanting chips in our brains in 2022. Keanu Reeves unavailable for comment   (ottawacitizen.com) divider line
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2021-12-08 1:03:52 AM  
The only worthwhile part of Johnny Mnemonic
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2021-12-08 1:17:35 AM  
Will it be Windows compatible, so it works with my Bill Gates vaccination microchips? Will there be over-the-air software updates?
 
2021-12-08 1:32:24 AM  
Bullshiat, highly irresponsible, or both.

If nothing else, the issue of tissue encapsulation rendering most implants waaayyy less useful after a few years is still a major, major issue. I know, because I'm part of a group working on similar stuff and helped do the lit review.
 
2021-12-08 1:38:59 AM  
I hear the canine tests went well.

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2021-12-08 2:05:51 AM  
I would not trust any current company to do this and Trolly McBrickFace is on top of that list. That being said, I'm all for the hypothetical scenario of implanting people with an AI that can act as a teacher, mentor, companion - sort of a virtual Jiminey Cricket. But that would require some sort of perfect utopia and we're not built for that.
 
2021-12-08 2:10:03 AM  
Were he available, I'm guessing the comment would be "Whoa!"
 
2021-12-08 2:10:26 AM  
If Keanu sets off a nuke in Musk Tower to free Alt Cunningham, we are really in the worst timeline.
 
2021-12-08 2:30:23 AM  

Felgraf: Bullshiat, highly irresponsible, or both.

If nothing else, the issue of tissue encapsulation rendering most implants waaayyy less useful after a few years is still a major, major issue. I know, because I'm part of a group working on similar stuff and helped do the lit review.



Yup, probably vaporware. Maybe one day, but I don't this feasible in our lifetimes.
 
2021-12-08 2:38:02 AM  
I think he might actually manage it.  Mostly by bringing in the right people together.  I dont view him as some master engineer necessarily, but rather a master at putting the right people together.  Not perfectly every time, but enough to make things occur that while possible, haven't had the right group of people to make it happen. And to ask the right questions.

As for me?  Id 100% pay money for this if it gave me something.  Of course its easier for me to take risks on myself as I have stage 4 cancer.  But even if I didn't?  I think this is our future.  Id like to be part of it.
 
2021-12-08 2:51:31 AM  
https://waitbutwhy.com/2017/04/neural​i​nk.html

I dunno if Musk will be the one to pull it off but this is the next iteration of the human race.

AI is more likely to happen long before we master our biology to similar ends.

But more likely than either of those is humans merging with our machines. We've been cyborgs since we figured out the first tool. The only question is one of degree.

Thing is I don't think we'll stay cyborgs for long. Our tools will get us to super-intelligence and about 10 minutes after we hit that mark the tools probably won't matter anymore.
 
2021-12-08 2:52:08 AM  
Pending FDA approval


So its at least a decade out
 
2021-12-08 4:07:12 AM  

Driver: Will it be Windows compatible, so it works with my Bill Gates vaccination microchips? Will there be over-the-air software updates?


5G only.
 
2021-12-08 4:37:16 AM  

lifeslammer: Pending FDA approval


So its at least a decade out


Or he will do it only on mars where he is the government.
 
2021-12-08 5:41:16 AM  
Hard pass

I saw Kingsman
 
2021-12-08 5:47:18 AM  
Like, don't get me wrong! A Machine-neuron back and forth interface? That would be incredible!

I highly, highly, HIGHLY doubt this is one, from the problems I know that still exist.

For a good, machine-neuron interface to do the thing he's claiming: The cladding/substrate material is a massive problem that has yet to be solved (It is not the only problem, but it is a BIG one). The problems here are

1) You need your device to have a flexibility that is near, if not MORE flexible, then the tissue its embedded in. Anything less will slowly cause cell damage and scar tissue buildup around the device as it fails to flex as much as the tissue around it. This makes the device stop working reliably, and stop working at all. But, if you want to embed a device deep in tissue, you need something stiff to deliver it there.

2) Immune system response: Even flexible materials that have been incredibly promising, and have shown to be non-cytotoxic in-vitro, have found to begun to suffer from tissue encapsulation when embeded in a creature that has an actual immune system (like a mouse) b/c our body is actually REALLY GOODat finding things that don't belong there and encapsulting them. This, again, causes the same problem as 1). This has been the problem with Paraylene C.


Solving these would require years of in-vivo testing before you get to the "Stick them in humans" face, unless you are being unbelievably reckless. Or if you were actually just rebranding Cochlear Implants, or using surface-electrodes that just measure brainwaves--the later of which have existed for over a decade. If he's shrunk those? Cool, but that's not a brain-machine interface, because you don't send information back to the nerves.Also their utility is limited. Given his penchant for exaggeration and claiming shiat that's not true because it looks cooler than the truth ("Roadster orbiting mars"), I'm betting on the latter explanation.


fullyautomatic: Felgraf: Bullshiat, highly irresponsible, or both.

If nothing else, the issue of tissue encapsulation rendering most implants waaayyy less useful after a few years is still a major, major issue. I know, because I'm part of a group working on similar stuff and helped do the lit review.


Yup, probably vaporware. Maybe one day, but I don't this feasible in our lifetimes.


Oh, on the feasible in our lifetimes, I actually disagree. I think it might be a decade or two out, but there've been some pretty cool leaps. Especially with graphene-based field effect transistors. There have also been some pretty cool leaps in the cladding/substrate technology that are being worked on. Now, I am, perhaps, biased, because I am a postdoc on a graphene-based interface for neuroapplications project *working* towards a graphene-neuron interface, mind.
We are still very early in the project. Very, very early.
 
2021-12-08 5:49:01 AM  
Oh, look, another company run by Elon Musk that doesn't make a profit.
 
2021-12-08 5:58:30 AM  
I hear it runs on Windows Me.
 
2021-12-08 6:37:14 AM  
Tech billionaires think they're altruists but they're just pure evil. We've all seen this movie.
 
2021-12-08 7:04:46 AM  

Wobambo: I would not trust any current company to do this and Trolly McBrickFace is on top of that list. That being said, I'm all for the hypothetical scenario of implanting people with an AI that can act as a teacher, mentor, companion - sort of a virtual Jiminey Cricket. But that would require some sort of perfect utopia and we're not built for that.


https://www.fark.com/comments/1075997​8​/At-your-wits-end-from-social-distanci​ng-Need-something-different-in-enterta​inment-distraction-How-about-a-new-sci​ence-fiction-novel-Presenting-The-Voya​ge-of-New-Beginning-now-through-Chapte​r-36-Triumvirate-Plus-One?cpp=1#741339​004,690298743,503216953

Chapter 5. Definitely not a Utopia. Perhaps a velvet-covered Dystopia.

The implants might need a union.
 
2021-12-08 7:54:37 AM  

lifeslammer: Pending FDA approval


So its at least a decade out


We got a new piece of medical equipment a while back, it has a couple different parts that communicate wirelessly. Asked if it used Bluetooth but the vendor said it was using Wi-Fi because "Bluetooth is still pending FDA approval".

Bluetooth has been out over what? 20 years at least.
 
2021-12-08 8:25:04 AM  

mudesi: Oh, look, another company run by Elon Musk that doesn't make a profit.


Wait, I thought we hated this guy because he was just another billionaire corporate thug.
 
2021-12-08 8:36:39 AM  
Apartheid Clyde and his wacky ideas
 
2021-12-08 9:04:55 AM  
CSB, one of the first public laughs I got was saying "this is your brain on doublespace" when Keanu started freaking out on screen.
 
2021-12-08 11:17:49 AM  

Flincher: I hear it runs on Windows Me.


And it includes Clippy
 
2021-12-08 11:40:13 AM  
Oh and do keep in mind that this thing better have a firewall that would shame the pentagon. This is NOT something that should have a chance of getting hacked in any way, and it should not be approved if it does
 
2021-12-08 12:42:20 PM  
Knowing what we know about companies like Google and Facebook and what they do with our data... Mainly sell it to even less reputable companies... Who will ever trust an implant that they aren't privy to exactly what the software does?

Or in 30 years will we be clicking accept without reading the agreement that says they can control our bodies and minds? Just like the so called vaccine...
/s... I know we all know someone who actually thinks like that
 
2021-12-08 5:25:53 PM  

OkieDookie: If Keanu sets off a nuke in Musk Tower to free Alt Cunningham, we are really in the worst timeline.


OTOH, it would wipe out billions of his money...
 
2021-12-09 7:28:44 AM  
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Scalzi wasn't the first, but a good read
 
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