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2021-12-07 8:27:07 PM  
Jesus, Subby. I ran that through a word count - 17,000+ words!?

That's over 30 pages if printed. No way.
 
2021-12-07 8:38:20 PM  

Shaggy_C: Jesus, Subby. I ran that through a word count - 17,000+ words!?

That's over 30 pages if printed. No way.


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2021-12-07 8:45:47 PM  

Shaggy_C: Jesus, Subby. I ran that through a word count - 17,000+ words!?

That's over 30 pages if printed. No way.


All that to describe a Rothko, which typically contains 3 colors.
 
2021-12-07 9:05:11 PM  
Tl;dr- the cable didn't get fixed
 
2021-12-07 9:05:15 PM  
Someone thinks they're Charles Dickens it seems
 
2021-12-07 9:13:42 PM  

Hawk the Hawk: Shaggy_C: Jesus, Subby. I ran that through a word count - 17,000+ words!?

That's over 30 pages if printed. No way.

All that to describe a Rothko, which typically contains 3 colors.


There's no point in looking at a Rothko reproduction, so if the only Rothko you've seen is a photograph, you're going to scoff and mock. It isn't as if there's a lot of detail work to latch onto. Up close, they're like being in a closet with a depressed grizzly that's wearing a tallit.
 
2021-12-07 9:21:24 PM  
I've always wanted to see this.  It's just so unexpected. https://en.m.wikipedia.or​g/wiki/Rothko​_Chapel
 
2021-12-07 9:24:51 PM  
It was as American as shucking cash from folks who will invest millions in art. Which is a lucrative trade, and nice work if you can get it. But you have to get it, and then GTFO before folks with millions call their friends to hunt your ass down and turn your insides out trying to get the money back.

But it's not exactly an experience that has a lot of resonance with the bulk of the nation.

I worked for a guy when I was in high school who sold antiques. Not in the millions of dollar ranges, but he'd pocket a few grand for each piece he sold, easy, and he spent a lot of time looking for good work, hitting up estate sales, but his REAL bread and butter were the fake firearms that he sold. He had them made in Afghanistan, and the folks he contracted reproduced guns, down the nicks in the barrel and stains on the butt of the rifle. They'd lovingly give them the wear of long use and years. And he'd sell the same rifle, quietly, in private sales that avoided the auction houses, and then he'd feed the originals to those same auction houses for a damn good price, having already sold the bastiche twenty times before that. He rooked a lot of people, and one day I came in, and found the place cleared out, locked, and with no word whatsoever from my boss, who I hope made it to New Zealand like he'd talked about. Good fakes are almost as good as the originals, in that they always have a story on the sale and a history of film-flammery that I can appreciate. I am sure that there is a market for forgeries, and I could see sinking some cash into some good fakes, just for the stories tied to them.
 
2021-12-07 9:42:28 PM  

hubiestubert: It was as American as shucking cash from folks who will invest millions in art. Which is a lucrative trade, and nice work if you can get it. But you have to get it, and then GTFO before folks with millions call their friends to hunt your ass down and turn your insides out trying to get the money back.

But it's not exactly an experience that has a lot of resonance with the bulk of the nation.

I worked for a guy when I was in high school who sold antiques. Not in the millions of dollar ranges, but he'd pocket a few grand for each piece he sold, easy, and he spent a lot of time looking for good work, hitting up estate sales, but his REAL bread and butter were the fake firearms that he sold. He had them made in Afghanistan, and the folks he contracted reproduced guns, down the nicks in the barrel and stains on the butt of the rifle. They'd lovingly give them the wear of long use and years. And he'd sell the same rifle, quietly, in private sales that avoided the auction houses, and then he'd feed the originals to those same auction houses for a damn good price, having already sold the bastiche twenty times before that. He rooked a lot of people, and one day I came in, and found the place cleared out, locked, and with no word whatsoever from my boss, who I hope made it to New Zealand like he'd talked about. Good fakes are almost as good as the originals, in that they always have a story on the sale and a history of film-flammery that I can appreciate. I am sure that there is a market for forgeries, and I could see sinking some cash into some good fakes, just for the stories tied to them.


Churches along the old pilgrimage route from Spain to Jerusalem are full of fake Bible relics.  One king of Europe had to be murdered before he bankrupted the state from buying that crap.
Recently modern science has weeded out many many forgeries and fakes, typically in museum collections.
And who is going to read that entire article?  The author shouldn't complain about $100,000 in student debt he duped his parents into cosigning and ruin them, then blab on about how magic the "art" is he shuffled around to rich people is while he voluntarily worked for only $30k/year.
 
2021-12-07 9:44:21 PM  
Why most "art" is bad, and expensive:

Hire an artist to create some work of art. Pay them 14K.

Get it appraised for 180K.

Donate it to a museum and take a deduction for the appraised value.

If you're in the 30% tax bracket, that's an immediate gain of 40K.
Also, you get your name on the "platinum donors" list.
 
2021-12-07 10:09:30 PM  
I read the entire thing.  I learned this:

1.  Rothko painted a lot of paintings.  Thousands.
2.  His kids seem well adjusted and modest.
3.  The art world is filled with hustlers, frauds, scammers, and hangers on.  Artists get the worst of it.   The truly wealthy just lose some money but will exact vengeance if they get their chance on the hustlers, frauds, and scammers.  The artists are just workers creating wealth from their labor for someone else.  They hate it, but they need to get paid.
4.  Trumpworld and Artworld have number 3 in common:  "There are parallels, Miller believes, between the Knoedler case, the Rothko story, and the great, long scam of the Trump years. They all exposed things as they already were. "You very rarely in a luxury market like the art world, or high-end real estate-which is the world of the Trumps-see any kind of transparency," he said. None of this was new, in other words. It wasn't novel. It was just out there, briefly, for everyone to see. "
 
2021-12-07 10:14:30 PM  

hubiestubert: It was as American as shucking cash from folks who will invest millions in art. Which is a lucrative trade, and nice work if you can get it. But you have to get it, and then GTFO before folks with millions call their friends to hunt your ass down and turn your insides out trying to get the money back.

But it's not exactly an experience that has a lot of resonance with the bulk of the nation.

I worked for a guy when I was in high school who sold antiques. Not in the millions of dollar ranges, but he'd pocket a few grand for each piece he sold, easy, and he spent a lot of time looking for good work, hitting up estate sales, but his REAL bread and butter were the fake firearms that he sold. He had them made in Afghanistan, and the folks he contracted reproduced guns, down the nicks in the barrel and stains on the butt of the rifle. They'd lovingly give them the wear of long use and years. And he'd sell the same rifle, quietly, in private sales that avoided the auction houses, and then he'd feed the originals to those same auction houses for a damn good price, having already sold the bastiche twenty times before that. He rooked a lot of people, and one day I came in, and found the place cleared out, locked, and with no word whatsoever from my boss, who I hope made it to New Zealand like he'd talked about. Good fakes are almost as good as the originals, in that they always have a story on the sale and a history of film-flammery that I can appreciate. I am sure that there is a market for forgeries, and I could see sinking some cash into some good fakes, just for the stories tied to them.


Whenever you tell that story (not that I tire of hearing it), I think about this guy on Antiques Roadshow who brought in this old pistol he swore was authentic because he paid enough for it. Appraiser told him it was a good fake, but fake all the same.
 
2021-12-07 10:16:28 PM  
This is a lazy Sunday morning article.
I am currently lazy, but it's two days late, or five days early.
 
2021-12-07 10:28:47 PM  

yakmans_dad: Hawk the Hawk: Shaggy_C: Jesus, Subby. I ran that through a word count - 17,000+ words!?

That's over 30 pages if printed. No way.

All that to describe a Rothko, which typically contains 3 colors.

There's no point in looking at a Rothko reproduction, so if the only Rothko you've seen is a photograph, you're going to scoff and mock. It isn't as if there's a lot of detail work to latch onto. Up close, they're like being in a closet with a depressed grizzly that's wearing a tallit.


As a fan of color field, I'll take those 3 colors over 30+ pages of text any day.
 
2021-12-07 11:11:24 PM  

Shaggy_C: Jesus, Subby. I ran that through a word count - 17,000+ words!?

That's over 30 pages if printed. No way.


There's an interesting story in there. Too bad you'd have to stab your way through a bad writer to find it.

Dear author, you are not Hunter S Thompson. Don't make yourself the story. You birthday, your girlfriend, your student debt have nothing to do with the story on art forgeries. Leave that shiat out.
 
2021-12-07 11:41:44 PM  

mcmnky: Shaggy_C: Jesus, Subby. I ran that through a word count - 17,000+ words!?

That's over 30 pages if printed. No way.

There's an interesting story in there. Too bad you'd have to stab your way through a bad writer to find it.

Dear author, you are not Hunter S Thompson. Don't make yourself the story. You birthday, your girlfriend, your student debt have nothing to do with the story on art forgeries. Leave that shiat out.


"What if Kim Kardashian had an MFA?" asked the editors at Hazlitt, as they went to the lab and decanted another Leon Uris/Lena Dunham chimera beast.
 
2021-12-08 12:21:24 AM  

Shaggy_C: Jesus, Subby. I ran that through a word count - 17,000+ words!?

That's over 30 pages if printed. No way.


And then we all cry about how there are no good reporters left and the news ain't what it used to be. Once again proving that we get exactly the world we deserve.
 
2021-12-08 8:58:16 AM  
I think the writer might have buried the lede.
 
2021-12-08 12:30:13 PM  

Lusiphur: Shaggy_C: Jesus, Subby. I ran that through a word count - 17,000+ words!?

That's over 30 pages if printed. No way.

And then we all cry about how there are no good reporters left and the news ain't what it used to be. Once again proving that we get exactly the world we deserve.


Except this story isn't as good as it could be and is too long for the material is covers. And more than reporters, we all cry about how there are no good editors left and this story needs one.

tl;dr: some scammers hired a Chinese artist to paint forgeries, which they then sold through the oldest art dealer in NYC. That dealer suddenly closed shop when a customer got divorced and couldn't sell a painting because it was an obvious fake to every auction house they approached. (Scam 1)

That painting was (supposedly) by Mark Rothko, who committed suicide and left his paintings to an estate run by 3 "friends." Two of those 3 were dealers and through the estate, sold many of the paintings to themselves in sweetheart deals. Rothko's kids sued and eventually won control of their father's work. (Scam 2)

Scam 3 is Trump's inauguration, which raised millions and spent very little apart from renting Trump's DC hotel at extremely inflated prices. What does that have to do with scams 1 & 2? Rich people buy expensive art.

What does any of that have to with: where the author sat at the inauguration on 2016? The author's bachelor party? The author's girlfriend? The other Chinese artist mentioned, who did not paint any forgeries?And so forth.

There are 2 interesting, tangentially related stories on crime in the world of high priced art. Then there's an unrelated story about Trump's inauguration and constant stretches by the author to make himself part of the story.

I read the entire farking article. A bunch of it was very interesting. And about a third of it should have been cut or secretly cut down.
 
2021-12-08 12:50:30 PM  
It takes awhile to figure it out, but most "luxury" items (including art) are overpriced. Not that artists shouldn't make a good living, they should.

The saying is, "You get what you pay for." Yes, you do, it's just that most people don't seem to know what they're paying for. LOL

If you want to buy art, buy it from a local artists. You'll be supporting a person who actually needs the money and probably not getting ripped off. Most decent-sized cities in the U.S. have local artists who make amazing stuff of all kinds. Paintings, sculpture, pottery, jewelry, etc.
 
2021-12-08 5:49:47 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: It takes awhile to figure it out, but most "luxury" items (including art) are overpriced. Not that artists shouldn't make a good living, they should.

The saying is, "You get what you pay for." Yes, you do, it's just that most people don't seem to know what they're paying for. LOL

If you want to buy art, buy it from a local artists. You'll be supporting a person who actually needs the money and probably not getting ripped off. Most decent-sized cities in the U.S. have local artists who make amazing stuff of all kinds. Paintings, sculpture, pottery, jewelry, etc.


And if you really want local artists to make good money... Review a local art show for a local paper. Or even for a big newspaper. it doen't need to be pretentious to be noticed. And like... Why not? make some artsy-fart Vasser grad's day.
 
2021-12-08 5:54:50 PM  
What an incredible load of drivel.

In between ridiculous unsubstantiated allegations he drops named (Jared Kushner) in negative ways to boost his internet points.

The only way this idiot could be less important would be to start writing speeches for Biden.
 
2021-12-08 6:22:39 PM  
LOL, I've actually been reading the linked story, and while it's LONG and does meander a bit, it's quite enjoyable. Thanks, submitter. Learned some shiat about Mark Rothko (didn't realize he'd committed suicide).

And holy crap, if I was a gallery manager or whatever and somebody showed up and said, "Hey, I'll sell you a bunch of paintings from famous people for cheap but I'm not gonna tell you where they came from," I'd investigate the fark out of that before buying anything. That woman in charge of the gallery was ... not great at her job.
 
2021-12-08 8:07:13 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: I'd investigate the fark out of that before buying anything. That woman in charge of the gallery was ... not great at her job.


This might be the "story of America" part.  :P

zgrizz: The only way this idiot could be less important would be to start writing speeches for Biden.


Or this might be the "story of America" part.  :P

Who is aemrica? About 350 million nobodies living their nobody lives in the shadows of a cabal of people who make millions off scams.
 
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