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(The Drive)   Ford was about to make the glorious GN34, a svelte SHO-powered mid-engined Ferrari rival, but they used the money to make the Explorer instead. Fark: 'car guy' Bob Lutz pulled the trigger   (thedrive.com) divider line
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2021-12-07 3:16:47 PM  
I assume subby means "pulled the plug" since it never happened?
 
2021-12-07 4:24:31 PM  
Getting a lot of Fiero vibes off of that thing.
 
2021-12-07 4:26:18 PM  

TommyDeuce: Getting a lot of Fiero vibes off of that thing.


That thing looks like it should come with a complimentary Members Only jacket.
 
2021-12-07 4:31:02 PM  
And it was a wise business decision. The Explorer made way more profits than a niche car ever would.
 
2021-12-07 4:34:08 PM  

SpectroBoy: I assume subby means "pulled the plug" since it never happened?


"Pulled the trigger" to put a bullet through its head.
 
2021-12-07 4:35:41 PM  

FarkingChas: And it was a wise business decision. The Explorer made way more profits than a niche car ever would.


Maybe they could have used the Explorer profits to fund this car? That's the "Why not both?" scenario.
 
2021-12-07 4:37:06 PM  
I bought an Explorer, the 1994 model.  After 6 SIX farking warranty repairs and a clear indication that a 7th was looming I got rid of it for a Dodge Ram 1500 PU, which also ended up with a few problems.  Then I bought a used 1994 Toyota SR5 with 67,000 miles on it.  The ex ended up stealing it from me in the divorce settlement but it was still running fine on the original clutch with nothing done except basic maintenance.  Found On a Russian Dump indeed, or the Fix Or Repair Daily meme work for me.
 
2021-12-07 4:38:06 PM  
I mean, they got around to it eventually with the GT. But Lutz was absolutely correct. Ford's main thing has been trucks for a LONG time. So an idea to build a F150 with four doors and no bed was a pretty obvious thing to do.
 
2021-12-07 4:44:25 PM  
The Explorer is the best selling SUV of all time so, sounds like the right decision for Ford.
 
2021-12-07 4:45:06 PM  

FarkingChas: And it was a wise business decision. The Explorer made way more profits than a niche car ever would.


On the one hand, this was the obviously wise business decision. On the other hand, the Explorer and other SUVs have done tremendous harm to the world. Unfortunately it was never going to be the case that American automakers would embrace fuel efficiency or electrification, especially with CAFE rules giving them a bonus for building bigger, less efficient vehicles.
 
2021-12-07 4:48:44 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: SpectroBoy: I assume subby means "pulled the plug" since it never happened?

"Pulled the trigger" to put a bullet through its head.


That's not how that saying works.
 
2021-12-07 4:58:33 PM  

SpectroBoy: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: SpectroBoy: I assume subby means "pulled the plug" since it never happened?

"Pulled the trigger" to put a bullet through its head.

That's not how that saying works.


SpectroBoy: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: SpectroBoy: I assume subby means "pulled the plug" since it never happened?

"Pulled the trigger" to put a bullet through its head.

That's not how that saying works.


I know that.  All I'm saying is that that is most likely what Subby was trying to say.

Like capping Old Yeller.

"Put a gun against his head, pulled my trigger, now he's dead..."
 
2021-12-07 5:20:57 PM  

Porkbelly: I bought an Explorer, the 1994 model.  After 6 SIX farking warranty repairs and a clear indication that a 7th was looming I got rid of it for a Dodge Ram 1500 PU, which also ended up with a few problems.  Then I bought a used 1994 Toyota SR5 with 67,000 miles on it.  The ex ended up stealing it from me in the divorce settlement but it was still running fine on the original clutch with nothing done except basic maintenance.  Found On a Russian Dump indeed, or the Fix Or Repair Daily meme work for me.


My GF still has her 2001 Camry with the only problems being the paint starting to go and increasingly loud exhaust.

In the meantime, her sister has had a succession of Ford (their Daddy was a Ford man) SUVs, each with massively expensive repairs required, with the rest of the family having to pass the hat to help her out.

Sheer idiocy.
 
2021-12-07 5:29:18 PM  
I don't really see the fail here. They have sold a shiatload of Explorers over the years. An expensive supercar would have sold a fraction of that volume, so it would not have been nearly as profitable.
 
2021-12-07 5:30:38 PM  
The Ford Exploder has always been something of a piece of shiat, but it was also one of the country's best-selling models for many years and the top-selling SUV of all time.  Sounds like a wise decision.
 
2021-12-07 5:32:29 PM  
Let's make a quick estimate of where the costs are... new engine, new drive train, suspension, trim, interior. Or we can slap a SUV body on the Ranger.
 
2021-12-07 5:34:12 PM  

TommyDeuce: Getting a lot of Fiero vibes off of that thing.


If a Fiero-based Ferrari 308gtb copy kit car farked a first-generation Toyota MR2, the offspring would look a lot like this.
 
2021-12-07 5:54:04 PM  

FarkingChas: And it was a wise business decision. The Explorer made way more profits than a niche car ever would.


Yup. If the decision had gone the other way this article would be about Ford's Edsel of the '80s. And about how the guy chose to back that project over an SUV and torpedoed Ford by costing them a chance to get in on the SUV craze.
 
2021-12-07 6:05:00 PM  
They did the world a favor scrapping this. It looks cheap.
 
2021-12-07 6:50:08 PM  
I absolutely would have supported Ford putting that SHO engine from Yamaha in more things.  They just did a couple of one-offs.  I think it would have been keen in the Probe, Mustang, some of the Mercury offerings.  But if they'd tried to put out a competitor to the supercars of the day like this, everyone would have biatched about it not having a V8.
 
2021-12-07 7:14:02 PM  

Myk-House of El: I absolutely would have supported Ford putting that SHO engine from Yamaha in more things.  They just did a couple of one-offs.  I think it would have been keen in the Probe, Mustang, some of the Mercury offerings.  But if they'd tried to put out a competitor to the supercars of the day like this, everyone would have biatched about it not having a V8.


The first generation engine was good/great. Not crazy to maintain and didn't have a bunch of stupid issues. Like the V8 version where the camshafts had to be welded after the fact. Or the latest version, like I own, that have the water pump driven off the timing chain, which stretches, and since it's all buried deep inside the engine.... how about $3500 to change that stuff at 90k miles?
 
2021-12-07 7:16:36 PM  
so many forest green golden retriever hauler models of those things from the past.
 
2021-12-08 9:22:52 AM  

Porkbelly: I bought an Explorer, the 1994 model.  After 6 SIX farking warranty repairs and a clear indication that a 7th was looming I got rid of it for a Dodge Ram 1500 PU, which also ended up with a few problems.  Then I bought a used 1994 Toyota SR5 with 67,000 miles on it.  The ex ended up stealing it from me in the divorce settlement but it was still running fine on the original clutch with nothing done except basic maintenance.  Found On a Russian Dump indeed, or the Fix Or Repair Daily meme work for me.


I'm getting senile; I was supposed to mention that when I lost it to the witch it had 206,000 miles on the original clutch and all that.
 
2021-12-08 1:38:27 PM  

Porkbelly: I bought an Explorer, the 1994 model.  After 6 SIX farking warranty repairs and a clear indication that a 7th was looming I got rid of it for a Dodge Ram 1500 PU, which also ended up with a few problems.  Then I bought a used 1994 Toyota SR5 with 67,000 miles on it.  The ex ended up stealing it from me in the divorce settlement but it was still running fine on the original clutch with nothing done except basic maintenance.  Found On a Russian Dump indeed, or the Fix Or Repair Daily meme work for me.


I'm still driving a 1997 Explorer. I spend about $500 a year for tires, brakes, other repairs. The rear wheel wells are rusting now, but I hope to get a few more years out of it.
 
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