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(BBC-US)   Bad: nearly 70 Spanish medics test positive after a Christmas party. Worse: most worked in the ICU. Sign of the times: they were fully vaxxed   (bbc.com) divider line
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2021-12-07 9:25:23 AM  
No symptoms and none hospitalized. If a vaccinated person tests positive for covid and shows no ill effects and is only around vaccinated people it doesn't really matter.
 
2021-12-07 9:46:58 AM  

eurotrader: No symptoms and none hospitalized. If a vaccinated person tests positive for covid and shows no ill effects and is only around vaccinated people it doesn't really matter.


Yup, the whole reason to get vaccinated. To decrease the chance of ending up in the hospital icu ward.
 
2021-12-07 9:52:21 AM  
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2021-12-07 9:55:00 AM  
How many had serious symptoms or were hospitalized?

Repeat after me: vaccines don't prevent you from testing positive
 
2021-12-07 9:55:47 AM  
It's almost like vaccines work or something
 
2021-12-07 9:55:57 AM  

eurotrader: No symptoms and none hospitalized. If a vaccinated person tests positive for covid and shows no ill effects and is only around vaccinated people it doesn't really matter.


Only go where everyone is vaccinated? Now pull the other one.
 
2021-12-07 9:57:03 AM  
Newsflash: contagious disease is contagious, and a vaccine greatly increases your chance of either not catching it or not getting very sick if you do.
 
2021-12-07 9:57:09 AM  

eurotrader: No symptoms and none hospitalized. If a vaccinated person tests positive for covid and shows no ill effects and is only around vaccinated people it doesn't really matter.


I'm sure somebody still having their groceries delivered and bleaching their mail will be around shortly to tell you that you're wrong.
 
2021-12-07 9:58:48 AM  
Nice fearmongering headline, subby, you dick

The vaccines worked the way they were supposed to in this case, this shouldn't be news
 
2021-12-07 9:59:59 AM  

RTOGUY: eurotrader: No symptoms and none hospitalized. If a vaccinated person tests positive for covid and shows no ill effects and is only around vaccinated people it doesn't really matter.

I'm sure somebody still having their groceries delivered and bleaching their mail will be around shortly to tell you that you're wrong.


Hey, now, I still have groceries delivered. I was having that done in the Before Time and never stopped.

What? I'm lazy, not stupid.
 
2021-12-07 10:00:13 AM  
Well at least you know the vaccine is working.
 
2021-12-07 10:00:36 AM  

eurotrader: No symptoms and none hospitalized. If a vaccinated person tests positive for covid and shows no ill effects and is only around vaccinated people it doesn't really matter.


An asymptomatic vaccinated person with COVID can infect a non-vaccinated person, and possibly kill them. This is not good for health workers to do.

I was just at a test-to-attend party with everyone vaccinated. The problem with this setup is that the party is not a bubble. There was food and gifts brought which may have been contaminated.

I guess the issue is that the people at the party aren't getting sick but could be spreading to non-vaccinated people, e.g. sick people or children.
 
2021-12-07 10:01:03 AM  

Nocrash: eurotrader: No symptoms and none hospitalized. If a vaccinated person tests positive for covid and shows no ill effects and is only around vaccinated people it doesn't really matter.

Only go where everyone is vaccinated? Now pull the other one.


I have been going to this shabby little bar down the road for close to 30 years.   Great food and low key.   I masked up last week and went to get a burger.   They had a sign on the door letting us all know that mask mandates were tyranny and other Plague Rat favorites.   I stood there and thought "After all these years I will never enter this establishment again," and went to the Mexican restaurant next door.

Point is, "How you protect your customers and staff" is now a choice that I make when I am shopping.
 
2021-12-07 10:01:08 AM  
And as said, no symptoms, meaning they turned out better than my cousin.

/He's fine, was vaxxed so just had what could've been written off as a chest cold for a few days.
//Got my booster last Friday.
 
2021-12-07 10:02:09 AM  
Doooommmm and gloooooooommmm
 
2021-12-07 10:02:59 AM  
Antivaxxer idiots: See!? The vaccine does nothing!

Merltech: eurotrader: No symptoms and none hospitalized. If a vaccinated person tests positive for covid and shows no ill effects and is only around vaccinated people it doesn't really matter.

Yup, the whole reason to get vaccinated. To decrease the chance of ending up in the hospital icu ward.


Not the whole reason... it's also to reduce the chance of spreading the virus. It's done that even here as asymptomatic people aren't like to spread it as much. But obviously it's still a problem here as they're doctors and nurses and can't risk asymptomatic spread to patients.
 
2021-12-07 10:03:29 AM  

Jack Sabbath: Newsflash: contagious disease is contagious, and a vaccine greatly increases your chance of either not catching it or not getting very sick if you do.


60% in this case were successfully protected by the vaccine which was intended for an earlier variant.
 
2021-12-07 10:09:07 AM  

eurotrader: No symptoms and none hospitalized. If a vaccinated person tests positive for covid and shows no ill effects and is only around vaccinated people it doesn't really matter.


I'm going to disagree with you there.

Just because YOU don't have symptoms doesn't mean the vaccinated people you give it to won't have symptoms.  If you're sick, quarantine.  Don't be a farking idiot.
 
2021-12-07 10:09:57 AM  

Merltech: eurotrader: No symptoms and none hospitalized. If a vaccinated person tests positive for covid and shows no ill effects and is only around vaccinated people it doesn't really matter.

Yup, the whole reason to get vaccinated. To decrease the chance of ending up in the hospital icu ward.


Damn near every one of them is going to end up in the hospital's ICU ward.
 
2021-12-07 10:11:36 AM  

eurotrader: No symptoms and none hospitalized. If a vaccinated person tests positive for covid and shows no ill effects and is only around vaccinated people it doesn't really matter.


You monster
 
2021-12-07 10:13:08 AM  
The one and only breakthrough case that I know got pretty sick. However, he recovered at home and didn't have to go into a hospital. He also thinks that if he was unvaccinated, he would have wound up in the ICU or dead.
 
2021-12-07 10:14:08 AM  
The tests are sensitive enough that you can be both a viral carrier AND non-contagious. If you're vaxxed and asymptomatic, you won't be infecting anyone unless (maybe) you sneeze on someone's face.
 
2021-12-07 10:17:49 AM  
The only way to stop COVID is to remove it's prevalence in the population. Even if you're not getting sick now, continued high infection rates lead to more mutations, which the current vaccine might not handle. Which means that we go through infection peaks forever. We have to reduce the incidence in the population or we will be masking forever. Oh, and I guess millions more people dying.
 
2021-12-07 10:19:20 AM  
Next thing you know we'll all be locked down forever just for the common cold.
 
2021-12-07 10:20:24 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: The tests are sensitive enough that you can be both a viral carrier AND non-contagious. If you're vaxxed and asymptomatic, you won't be infecting anyone unless (maybe) you sneeze on someone's face.


This is why PCR tests should tell you on what cycle they detected the virus. If you're carrying a viral load that's at the limits of detectability, you're not a problem.
 
2021-12-07 10:23:28 AM  
The infected staff were all fully vaccinated and are showing no symptoms, health authorities said.

Has anybody mentioned this yet? No?
 
2021-12-07 10:25:31 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: The tests are sensitive enough that you can be both a viral carrier AND non-contagious. If you're vaxxed and asymptomatic, you won't be infecting anyone unless (maybe) you sneeze on someone's face.


You'd probably want your doctor and nurse to wear a mask, and anyone else around you, since they could all be carriers.
 
2021-12-07 10:30:35 AM  

eurotrader: No symptoms and none hospitalized. If a vaccinated person tests positive for covid and shows no ill effects and is only around vaccinated people it doesn't really matter.


I've been testing positive since Thursday.

Fully vaxxed (J&J in April + booster dose of Pfizer in October).

All I've had deal with is a slight case of sniffles.  Like a very mild cold.

So the vaccines are doing what they are supposed to and I'm pretty much fine, though still having to do the whole "10 day quarantine at home" thing.

People need to stop acting surprised when breakthrough infections happen.  The vaccines were never 100% against any infection, and that is especially the case against newer variants like Delta and Omicron.  Eventually, I think, most people will be infected with this from time to time, as it becomes another endemic circulating respiratory virus.  It's just too infectious to be avoided forever.

The important thing is that the vaccines still seem to be highly protective against severe disease, hospitalization, and death.  If we get to the point where people are still catching it, but the vast majority have no worse than mild cold or flu symptoms because of vaccine protection, then that's a win.
 
2021-12-07 10:35:09 AM  

RTOGUY: eurotrader: No symptoms and none hospitalized. If a vaccinated person tests positive for covid and shows no ill effects and is only around vaccinated people it doesn't really matter.

I'm sure somebody still having their groceries delivered and bleaching their mail will be around shortly to tell you that you're wrong.


Hey asshole, kids under 5

Signed concerned parent of child with severe asthma.
 
2021-12-07 10:35:14 AM  

powtard: Next thing you know we'll all be locked down forever just for the common cold.


Bullshiat. We had a not very strict "lockdown" that only lasted a matter of weeks in much of the US. Sorry you hate being inconvenienced at all to help slow the spread of a deadly virus.
 
2021-12-07 10:36:59 AM  

eurotrader: No symptoms and none hospitalized. If a vaccinated person tests positive for covid and shows no ill effects and is only around vaccinated people it doesn't really matter.


every infection is an opportunity to mutate


so yes, it matters, we need to lower transmission rates. infecting 68 health care workers is farking insane
 
2021-12-07 10:38:40 AM  
The reason for the variants of covid is primarily the fault of the unvaxxed. Currently the unvaxxed are at 10x greater risk of hospitalization and about 3x more likely to die than a vaccinated person. Just need to get that 3x up to 100x for death and the anti-vaxxers are really trying to produce a variant to do just that. A massive reduction of idiots in the US would be a long term positive.
 
2021-12-07 10:42:08 AM  

powtard: Next thing you know we'll all be locked down forever just for the common cold.


first they make you register your car, then they confiscate it

slippery slope hurr durr
 
2021-12-07 10:50:07 AM  

eurotrader: The reason for the variants of covid is primarily the fault of the unvaxxed. Currently the unvaxxed are at 10x greater risk of hospitalization and about 3x more likely to die than a vaccinated person. Just need to get that 3x up to 100x for death and the anti-vaxxers are really trying to produce a variant to do just that. A massive reduction of idiots in the US would be a long term positive.


Slow learner die off is always good for the specie. I have zero empathy left for anyone unvaccinated other than the few people that truly cannot receive it or won't benefit from it. My 5 year old just got his second shot even thought he's already had an ultra mild infection few months ago cause you know, why not? Still waiting for the slowly spinning wheels at FDA to approve for 5 and under.
 
2021-12-07 10:56:17 AM  
I think they show of be called prophylactic not vaccines.
 
2021-12-07 10:57:06 AM  
Because they aren't seeming to be preventing infection, but they are seeming to be preventing disease.
 
2021-12-07 11:03:12 AM  

zeroman987: RTOGUY: eurotrader: No symptoms and none hospitalized. If a vaccinated person tests positive for covid and shows no ill effects and is only around vaccinated people it doesn't really matter.

I'm sure somebody still having their groceries delivered and bleaching their mail will be around shortly to tell you that you're wrong.

Hey asshole, kids under 5

Signed concerned parent of child with severe asthma.


Hey asshole why should those of us not at risk have to lockdown forever because of your genetically inferior kid? What we used to do with immunocompromised people was keep them at home in a bubble we didn't make the entire country stay at home. I'm betting we are going to see a lot more cases of vaccinated people getting the sniffles from Covid so prepare to be disappointed when we accept that as normal and get back to living.
 
2021-12-07 11:05:43 AM  

shill1253: Because they aren't seeming to be preventing infection, but they are seeming to be preventing disease.


That's the way all vaccines work though.

There's nothing in the shot that can magically prevent pathogens from entering your body and getting inside some of your cells.

What vaccines do (all vaccines) is train your immune system, and build a standing army of antibodies and T-cells and memory cells, so that when you do get infected, you can respond to it very rapidly and shut it down before it gets serious.  In the best case, you shut down nascent infections before you even have any symptoms so you'd never know, but in other cases, you get some mild symptoms.
 
2021-12-07 11:16:22 AM  

zeroman987: RTOGUY: eurotrader: No symptoms and none hospitalized. If a vaccinated person tests positive for covid and shows no ill effects and is only around vaccinated people it doesn't really matter.

I'm sure somebody still having their groceries delivered and bleaching their mail will be around shortly to tell you that you're wrong.

Hey asshole, kids under 5

Signed concerned parent of child with severe asthma.


I have no idea what is wrong with that farkwad but he sure does seem to have a lot of free time to spread bs in every covid thread. Honestly, mods should deal with him at this point.
 
2021-12-07 11:21:11 AM  

eurotrader: No symptoms and none hospitalized. If a vaccinated person tests positive for covid and shows no ill effects and is only around vaccinated people it doesn't really matter.


my booster is scheduled for noon today (check watch anxiously)
 
2021-12-07 11:24:55 AM  

Doc Daneeka: That's the way all vaccines work though.


THIS.Submitter shows everyone they have no idea how vaccines are supposed to work in just one bad headline.
 
2021-12-07 11:26:02 AM  

All Intensive Purposes: zeroman987: RTOGUY: eurotrader: No symptoms and none hospitalized. If a vaccinated person tests positive for covid and shows no ill effects and is only around vaccinated people it doesn't really matter.

I'm sure somebody still having their groceries delivered and bleaching their mail will be around shortly to tell you that you're wrong.

Hey asshole, kids under 5

Signed concerned parent of child with severe asthma.

I have no idea what is wrong with that farkwad but he sure does seem to have a lot of free time to spread bs in every covid thread. Honestly, mods should deal with him at this point.


What b.s? 70 vaccinated people got Covid and have no symptoms. If the mods want to deal with anything they can start with these fear mongering horseshiat headlines that keep going green.
 
2021-12-07 11:26:16 AM  
Oh, come on, subby! Next you're going to tell me that people who wear seatbelts still get in car crashes.
 
2021-12-07 11:26:21 AM  

zeroman987: RTOGUY: eurotrader: No symptoms and none hospitalized. If a vaccinated person tests positive for covid and shows no ill effects and is only around vaccinated people it doesn't really matter.

I'm sure somebody still having their groceries delivered and bleaching their mail will be around shortly to tell you that you're wrong.

Hey asshole, kids under 5

Signed concerned parent of child with severe asthma.


Well then, you wouldn't only be around other vaccinated people, would you?
 
2021-12-07 11:27:13 AM  

RTOGUY: lockdown forever


where does this guy live that he is still locking down?
 
2021-12-07 11:27:28 AM  
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2021-12-07 11:33:15 AM  

thealgorerhythm: The infected staff were all fully vaccinated and are showing no symptoms, health authorities said.

Has anybody mentioned this yet? No?


I'm not yet sure how concerned to be over this.

I think it shows that I've been correct in avoiding situations with food consumption indoors with people I don't know (or known to be unvaccinated)

But I still have questions, like when did they get vaccinated?  As they're medical professionals, they likely qualified to get vaccinated early, so the high breakthrough rate might be related to waning protection and is evidence for the need for boosters.

And for those pushing the whole 'but they're asymptomatic': as someone who's almost two years in with 'long Covid'-like symptoms, I can tell you that there are things that are much worse than a few weeks of quarantine.  We don't yet know what percentage of people will survive Covid (possibly with no symptoms) but then have chronic problems for possibly the rest of their life.

But hey, I'm sure all of the people who are more concerned about the economy have no problem with people who are so sick they can't hold down a job and need to go on welfare.

/hopes that all of the people shiatposting about people who are concerned about getting sick get to experience what I went through
//enjoy the brain fog and chronic fatigue
///because you won't enjoy the months of full body coughs and puking
 
2021-12-07 11:35:58 AM  

eurotrader: The reason for the variants of covid is primarily the fault of the unvaxxed. Currently the unvaxxed are at 10x greater risk of hospitalization and about 3x more likely to die than a vaccinated person. Just need to get that 3x up to 100x for death and the anti-vaxxers are really trying to produce a variant to do just that. A massive reduction of idiots in the US would be a long term positive.


It doesn't matter what the vax rates in the US are in regards to variants. They will still get here from poor countries that are unable to vaccinate enough.
 
2021-12-07 11:39:10 AM  

Resin33: eurotrader: The reason for the variants of covid is primarily the fault of the unvaxxed. Currently the unvaxxed are at 10x greater risk of hospitalization and about 3x more likely to die than a vaccinated person. Just need to get that 3x up to 100x for death and the anti-vaxxers are really trying to produce a variant to do just that. A massive reduction of idiots in the US would be a long term positive.

It doesn't matter what the vax rates in the US are in regards to variants. They will still get here from poor countries that are unable to vaccinate enough.


you mean the MAGAT my body my choice idiots?
 
2021-12-07 11:39:15 AM  

Doc Daneeka: shill1253: Because they aren't seeming to be preventing infection, but they are seeming to be preventing disease.

That's the way all vaccines work though.

There's nothing in the shot that can magically prevent pathogens from entering your body and getting inside some of your cells.

What vaccines do (all vaccines) is train your immune system, and build a standing army of antibodies and T-cells and memory cells, so that when you do get infected, you can respond to it very rapidly and shut it down before it gets serious.  In the best case, you shut down nascent infections before you even have any symptoms so you'd never know, but in other cases, you get some mild symptoms.


Yeah, I know.  I just think that for idiots like me the best idea is to be very clear and precise to prevent misunderstanding.  sterilising immunity is what I (in the before times) thought of as a vaccine, while something that prevents the disease would be prophylactic.  I know that's not technically correct, so can not be the best type of correct.   Anyway, if you called it a prophylactic you could cut the legs out from the argument that the vaccine isn't effective...but...  Whatever...  What's the difference?  I dunno.  Yes it's my own misconception but ....  Know your audience...
 
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