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2021-12-07 8:35:55 AM  
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White nationalists taking part in a rally near the White House in 2018


Ah yes, the only time they will wear a mask.
 
2021-12-07 8:43:23 AM  
Working as intended then
 
2021-12-07 9:18:25 AM  
If you're not anti-fascist you're pro-fascist.
 
2021-12-07 9:20:27 AM  
It's ironic that a group that calls themselves "Proud Boys" are ashamed to show their faces
 
2021-12-07 9:22:40 AM  
I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?
 
2021-12-07 9:24:39 AM  

Meatsim1: I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?


If you are in public, I have the right to take your picture and talk about what you are doing.
 
2021-12-07 9:28:34 AM  
If you don't like it... you shouldn't use it. To date never had a Twitter account and I never will.
 
2021-12-07 9:33:52 AM  

johnphantom: Meatsim1: I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?

If you are in public, I have the right to take your picture and talk about what you are doing.


Maybe, but I'm not sure you have the right to post my name and address and email. I gather, from thr not amazingly well written article, the original.i tent was tomofevent doing, which I am on board with.

Though that goes both ways. I dont thinknit should be ok to doxx someone, for  example, because they are a woman calling out bad behavior (ala gamergate). But then the implication is we shouldn't dox people for political activity even if we find it highly objectionable.

In theory the policy seems to make sense.

Its 100% not shocking that angry right wing douchebags are weapons zing it to get people blocked. There is no shiatty behavior the right wing asshomes won't stop to. They think its funny, because their only sense of humor is to be assholes.
 
2021-12-07 9:35:53 AM  

HerptheDerp: It's ironic that a group that calls themselves "Proud Boys" are ashamed to show their faces


They're boys, so they're guarding their tender underage identities against online perverts.

That, or they're trying to protect the Real Women of America from dying of lust poisoning.
 
2021-12-07 9:42:15 AM  

chawco: johnphantom: Meatsim1: I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?

If you are in public, I have the right to take your picture and talk about what you are doing.

Maybe, but I'm not sure you have the right to post my name and address and email. I gather, from thr not amazingly well written article, the original.i tent was tomofevent doing, which I am on board with.

Though that goes both ways. I dont thinknit should be ok to doxx someone, for  example, because they are a woman calling out bad behavior (ala gamergate). But then the implication is we shouldn't dox people for political activity even if we find it highly objectionable.

In theory the policy seems to make sense.

Its 100% not shocking that angry right wing douchebags are weapons zing it to get people blocked. There is no shiatty behavior the right wing asshomes won't stop to. They think its funny, because their only sense of humor is to be assholes.


I dunno about address, but name is public record and if they can find your email, that is public too.

We need to use their tactics against them. No more kid gloves, kid gloves got us where we are now.
 
2021-12-07 9:42:34 AM  

Meatsim1: I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?


That depends. Where were you on January 6th, 2021?
 
2021-12-07 9:43:32 AM  
Twitter can talk a big game about how important and seriously it takes moderation on its platform, but as always:

If your moderation system is automated based on reports from people working for free... well... you get what you pay for.
 
2021-12-07 9:43:39 AM  

UberDave: [Fark user image 850x478]White nationalists taking part in a rally near the White House in 2018


Ah yes, the only time they will wear a mask.


They are cowards because they are followers of a bankrupt ideology, and they damn well know the truth.

They know they should be embarrassed to be White Nationalists / Nazis and that's why they hide their faces. They lack courage, and moral conviction, that their beliefs are actually correct.

ALL White Nationalists / Nazis should be exposed, shamed, and ridiculed.
 
2021-12-07 9:45:21 AM  

Gubbo: Working as intended then


Yep.  Twitter don't care, just needs the clicks.
 
2021-12-07 9:47:53 AM  

inglixthemad: UberDave: [Fark user image 850x478]White nationalists taking part in a rally near the White House in 2018


Ah yes, the only time they will wear a mask.

They are cowards because they are followers of a bankrupt ideology, and they damn well know the truth.

They know they should be embarrassed to be White Nationalists / Nazis and that's why they hide their faces. They lack courage, and moral conviction, that their beliefs are actually correct.

ALL White Nationalists / Nazis should be exposed, shamed, and ridiculed.


But exposing Nazis as the ignorant C.H.U.D.s they are might upset said Nazis. They just want to plot the deaths of anyone who disagrees with them in peace, is that so wrong?
 
2021-12-07 9:48:09 AM  

Flappyhead: Gubbo: Working as intended then

Yep.  Twitter don't care, just needs the clicks.


This was Jacks last action before he quit.

One last gift to his fascist friends.
 
2021-12-07 9:48:21 AM  

chawco: johnphantom: Meatsim1: I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?

If you are in public, I have the right to take your picture and talk about what you are doing.

Maybe, but I'm not sure you have the right to post my name and address and email. I gather, from thr not amazingly well written article, the original.i tent was tomofevent doing, which I am on board with.

Though that goes both ways. I dont thinknit should be ok to doxx someone, for  example, because they are a woman calling out bad behavior (ala gamergate). But then the implication is we shouldn't dox people for political activity even if we find it highly objectionable.

In theory the policy seems to make sense.

Its 100% not shocking that angry right wing douchebags are weapons zing it to get people blocked. There is no shiatty behavior the right wing asshomes won't stop to. They think its funny, because their only sense of humor is to be assholes.


I suspect that the policy is going to be selectively enforced to the benefit of fascists just like the previous policies were.
 
2021-12-07 9:53:56 AM  

johnphantom: Meatsim1: I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?

If you are in public, I have the right to take your picture and talk about what you are doing.


But twitter doesn't have to give you a platform to post the picture you have the right to take.
 
2021-12-07 9:54:41 AM  

johnphantom: chawco: johnphantom: Meatsim1: I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?

If you are in public, I have the right to take your picture and talk about what you are doing.

Maybe, but I'm not sure you have the right to post my name and address and email. I gather, from thr not amazingly well written article, the original.i tent was tomofevent doing, which I am on board with.

Though that goes both ways. I dont thinknit should be ok to doxx someone, for  example, because they are a woman calling out bad behavior (ala gamergate). But then the implication is we shouldn't dox people for political activity even if we find it highly objectionable.

In theory the policy seems to make sense.

Its 100% not shocking that angry right wing douchebags are weapons zing it to get people blocked. There is no shiatty behavior the right wing asshomes won't stop to. They think its funny, because their only sense of humor is to be assholes.

I dunno about address, but name is public record and if they can find your email, that is public too.

We need to use their tactics against them. No more kid gloves, kid gloves got us where we are now.


I guess my point is, if we can use these tools against then, they will use them against us, only harder and with less regards to the actual rules and any sense or.morality and decency.

I'll take.less ability to do x hard right wingers if it avoids women getting rape threats sent to their home by right wing trolls because they said something online that hurt the fee fees of some douche bro.

By all means, take the kids gloves off, but I thinknthe anti doing policies are not a bad idea. They've weaponized doxxing very effectively.
 
2021-12-07 9:55:37 AM  

iheartscotch: inglixthemad: UberDave: [Fark user image 850x478]White nationalists taking part in a rally near the White House in 2018


Ah yes, the only time they will wear a mask.

They are cowards because they are followers of a bankrupt ideology, and they damn well know the truth.

They know they should be embarrassed to be White Nationalists / Nazis and that's why they hide their faces. They lack courage, and moral conviction, that their beliefs are actually correct.

ALL White Nationalists / Nazis should be exposed, shamed, and ridiculed.

But exposing Nazis as the ignorant C.H.U.D.s they are might upset said Nazis. They just want to plot the deaths of anyone who disagrees with them in peace, is that so wrong?


Yeah I have that picture.

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I wouldn't publish home addresses, but I would put up names and pictures and name their employers.
 
2021-12-07 9:55:48 AM  

chawco: johnphantom: chawco: johnphantom: Meatsim1: I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?

If you are in public, I have the right to take your picture and talk about what you are doing.

Maybe, but I'm not sure you have the right to post my name and address and email. I gather, from thr not amazingly well written article, the original.i tent was tomofevent doing, which I am on board with.

Though that goes both ways. I dont thinknit should be ok to doxx someone, for  example, because they are a woman calling out bad behavior (ala gamergate). But then the implication is we shouldn't dox people for political activity even if we find it highly objectionable.

In theory the policy seems to make sense.

Its 100% not shocking that angry right wing douchebags are weapons zing it to get people blocked. There is no shiatty behavior the right wing asshomes won't stop to. They think its funny, because their only sense of humor is to be assholes.

I dunno about address, but name is public record and if they can find your email, that is public too.

We need to use their tactics against them. No more kid gloves, kid gloves got us where we are now.

I guess my point is, if we can use these tools against then, they will use them against us, only harder and with less regards to the actual rules and any sense or.morality and decency.

I'll take.less ability to do x hard right wingers if it avoids women getting rape threats sent to their home by right wing trolls because they said something online that hurt the fee fees of some douche bro.

By all means, take the kids gloves off, but I thinknthe anti doing policies are not a bad idea. They've weaponized doxxing very effectively.


Problem; They're going to do that anyway regardless of what you do.
"If I punch them, they will start punching back", when they are already swinging at your face.
 
2021-12-07 9:55:50 AM  

Headso: johnphantom: Meatsim1: I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?

If you are in public, I have the right to take your picture and talk about what you are doing.

But twitter doesn't have to give you a platform to post the picture you have the right to take.


Since when did Twitter care about morals?
 
2021-12-07 9:56:56 AM  

chawco: johnphantom: chawco: johnphantom: Meatsim1: I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?

If you are in public, I have the right to take your picture and talk about what you are doing.

Maybe, but I'm not sure you have the right to post my name and address and email. I gather, from thr not amazingly well written article, the original.i tent was tomofevent doing, which I am on board with.

Though that goes both ways. I dont thinknit should be ok to doxx someone, for  example, because they are a woman calling out bad behavior (ala gamergate). But then the implication is we shouldn't dox people for political activity even if we find it highly objectionable.

In theory the policy seems to make sense.

Its 100% not shocking that angry right wing douchebags are weapons zing it to get people blocked. There is no shiatty behavior the right wing asshomes won't stop to. They think its funny, because their only sense of humor is to be assholes.

I dunno about address, but name is public record and if they can find your email, that is public too.

We need to use their tactics against them. No more kid gloves, kid gloves got us where we are now.

I guess my point is, if we can use these tools against then, they will use them against us, only harder and with less regards to the actual rules and any sense or.morality and decency.

I'll take.less ability to do x hard right wingers if it avoids women getting rape threats sent to their home by right wing trolls because they said something online that hurt the fee fees of some douche bro.

By all means, take the kids gloves off, but I thinknthe anti doing policies are not a bad idea. They've weaponized doxxing very effectively.


Then make it illegal. As long as something is legal, we should be doing it to them too, just as hard as they do it to us.

Take the gloves off. Now is the time, if there is one.
 
2021-12-07 10:04:23 AM  

johnphantom: Headso: johnphantom: Meatsim1: I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?

If you are in public, I have the right to take your picture and talk about what you are doing.

But twitter doesn't have to give you a platform to post the picture you have the right to take.

Since when did Twitter care about morals?


they don't, but i would argue this is some policy based off the majority of use cases where it is going to be just some asshole bullying someone he/she knows personally or some domestic dispute/revenge scenario.
 
2021-12-07 10:05:44 AM  
Once again a social media company's guidelines seem to coincidentally align with empowering Nazis and amplifying their message.
 
2021-12-07 10:06:36 AM  

Headso: johnphantom: Headso: johnphantom: Meatsim1: I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?

If you are in public, I have the right to take your picture and talk about what you are doing.

But twitter doesn't have to give you a platform to post the picture you have the right to take.

Since when did Twitter care about morals?

they don't, but i would argue this is some policy based off the majority of use cases where it is going to be just some asshole bullying someone he/she knows personally or some domestic dispute/revenge scenario.


What about the people being killed by them doing this? You do realize there have been murders? They brought it to this level. If they are in public at a Nazi rally, then we have every right to know EVERYTHING about them.
 
2021-12-07 10:10:57 AM  
as was foretold.

/generally have a positive impression of twitters admins conpared to other social media tho. they have good lawyers stand up for their users now and then.
 
2021-12-07 10:12:13 AM  

chawco: Maybe, but I'm not sure you have the right to post my name and address and email.


Those are not private information.  They are all signifiers for others to interact with you, so keeping them private would be self-defeating.  You are not required to give them to everyone, but there is no breach of privacy if someone obtains them legally.  Now, some places have laws about releasing those pieces of information for specific groups of people, usually police and judges; but the very existence of those laws shows that hiding them is the exception, not the rule.  And outside a specific contract freely agreed to by the other party, you can't stop someone from disseminating information they have.
 
2021-12-07 10:13:08 AM  

johnphantom: Headso: johnphantom: Headso: johnphantom: Meatsim1: I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?

If you are in public, I have the right to take your picture and talk about what you are doing.

But twitter doesn't have to give you a platform to post the picture you have the right to take.

Since when did Twitter care about morals?

they don't, but i would argue this is some policy based off the majority of use cases where it is going to be just some asshole bullying someone he/she knows personally or some domestic dispute/revenge scenario.

What about the people being killed by them doing this? You do realize there have been murders? They brought it to this level. If they are in public at a Nazi rally, then we have every right to know EVERYTHING about them.


what about the people who commit suicide because of cyberbullying? I think practices that mitigate the kind of environment that perpetuates cyberbullying and online harassments outweighs the benefit of getting to post images of random right wing nuts.
 
2021-12-07 10:15:38 AM  

johnphantom: chawco: johnphantom: chawco: johnphantom: Meatsim1: I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?

If you are in public, I have the right to take your picture and talk about what you are doing.

Maybe, but I'm not sure you have the right to post my name and address and email. I gather, from thr not amazingly well written article, the original.i tent was tomofevent doing, which I am on board with.

Though that goes both ways. I dont thinknit should be ok to doxx someone, for  example, because they are a woman calling out bad behavior (ala gamergate). But then the implication is we shouldn't dox people for political activity even if we find it highly objectionable.

In theory the policy seems to make sense.

Its 100% not shocking that angry right wing douchebags are weapons zing it to get people blocked. There is no shiatty behavior the right wing asshomes won't stop to. They think its funny, because their only sense of humor is to be assholes.

I dunno about address, but name is public record and if they can find your email, that is public too.

We need to use their tactics against them. No more kid gloves, kid gloves got us where we are now.

I guess my point is, if we can use these tools against then, they will use them against us, only harder and with less regards to the actual rules and any sense or.morality and decency.

I'll take.less ability to do x hard right wingers if it avoids women getting rape threats sent to their home by right wing trolls because they said something online that hurt the fee fees of some douche bro.

By all means, take the kids gloves off, but I thinknthe anti doing policies are not a bad idea. They've weaponized doxxing very effectively.

Then make it illegal. As long as something is legal, we should be doing it to them too, just as hard as they do it to us.

Take the gloves off. Now is the time, if there is one.


I don't know about illegal, I mean sure, but the point is, twitter can't pass law. I'm cool with them saying no more doxing though. See reasoning above. You can, of course, disagree as a value judgement for the relative value of protecting people versus fighting back against the right wing hate machine. But I think the right wing will always be better at weaponizing things like doxxing.

We don't typically send death threats to people's homes and make them run into hiding,.
 
2021-12-07 10:20:05 AM  

inglixthemad: UberDave: [Fark user image 850x478]White nationalists taking part in a rally near the White House in 2018


Ah yes, the only time they will wear a mask.

They are cowards because they are followers of a bankrupt ideology, and they damn well know the truth.

They know they should be embarrassed to be White Nationalists / Nazis and that's why they hide their faces. They lack courage, and moral conviction, that their beliefs are actually correct.

ALL White Nationalists / Nazis should be exposed, shamed, and ridiculed.


They hide their faces because they know they will get fired if their employer finds out that they are members of a White Power organization. It happened to loads of these idiots following Unite the Right in Charlottesville.
 
2021-12-07 10:22:11 AM  

chawco: By all means, take the kids gloves off, but I thinknthe anti doing policies are not a bad idea. They've weaponized doxxing very effectively.

Then make it illegal. As long as something is legal, we should be doing it to them too, just as hard as they do it to us.

Take the gloves off. Now is the time, if there is one.


I don't know about illegal, I mean sure, but the point is, twitter can't pass law. I'm cool with them saying no more doxing though. See reasoning above. You can, of course, disagree as a value judgement for the relative value of protecting people versus fighting back against the right wing hate machine. But I think the right wing will always be better at weaponizing things like doxxing.

We don't typically send death threats to people's homes and make them run into hiding,.


Maybe we should. At very least we need to expose these people, and it is legal. If you or Headso think that we should not be allowed to use addresses, then make it illegal. RIGHT NOW, we have no choice but to fight or die.
 
2021-12-07 10:22:36 AM  

chawco: johnphantom: Meatsim1: I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?

If you are in public, I have the right to take your picture and talk about what you are doing.

Maybe, but I'm not sure you have the right to post my name and address and email. I gather, from thr not amazingly well written article, the original.i tent was tomofevent doing, which I am on board with.

Though that goes both ways. I dont thinknit should be ok to doxx someone, for  example, because they are a woman calling out bad behavior (ala gamergate). But then the implication is we shouldn't dox people for political activity even if we find it highly objectionable.

In theory the policy seems to make sense.

Its 100% not shocking that angry right wing douchebags are weapons zing it to get people blocked. There is no shiatty behavior the right wing asshomes won't stop to. They think its funny, because their only sense of humor is to be assholes.


Names and addresses can usually be found by looking at public records. Property maps are a goldmine for names and addresses.

When you buy a house or get married, you'd be surprised at how much information suddenly becomes public.
 
2021-12-07 10:25:09 AM  
Twitter is as bad as Facebook.
 
2021-12-07 10:25:57 AM  

phalamir: chawco: Maybe, but I'm not sure you have the right to post my name and address and email.

Those are not private information.  They are all signifiers for others to interact with you, so keeping them private would be self-defeating.  You are not required to give them to everyone, but there is no breach of privacy if someone obtains them legally.  Now, some places have laws about releasing those pieces of information for specific groups of people, usually police and judges; but the very existence of those laws shows that hiding them is the exception, not the rule.  And outside a specific contract freely agreed to by the other party, you can't stop someone from disseminating information they have.


I'm not sure you are familiar with the concept of doxxing and how it is used.

It is often used as a form of political terrorism, where the address of someone you disagree with or don't like is posted in a public forum, and they start sending threatening letters to peoples houses, often along with things like pictures of their children they take outside their house.

Because the right wings, and online trolls in general, are terrible human beings.

It is perfectly and 100% rational for a social media platform to ban doxxing people because it is nearly ways used as a form of political/social terrorism.
 
2021-12-07 10:27:51 AM  

Anubislg: chawco: johnphantom: Meatsim1: I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?

If you are in public, I have the right to take your picture and talk about what you are doing.

Maybe, but I'm not sure you have the right to post my name and address and email. I gather, from thr not amazingly well written article, the original.i tent was tomofevent doing, which I am on board with.

Though that goes both ways. I dont thinknit should be ok to doxx someone, for  example, because they are a woman calling out bad behavior (ala gamergate). But then the implication is we shouldn't dox people for political activity even if we find it highly objectionable.

In theory the policy seems to make sense.

Its 100% not shocking that angry right wing douchebags are weapons zing it to get people blocked. There is no shiatty behavior the right wing asshomes won't stop to. They think its funny, because their only sense of humor is to be assholes.

Names and addresses can usually be found by looking at public records. Property maps are a goldmine for names and addresses.

When you buy a house or get married, you'd be surprised at how much information suddenly becomes public.


Yeah sure, but when someone.exllictly posts that on Twitter and mobilizes there followers to Harris you, thats a whole level past each person can in theory go do it on their own.

I'm.not saying anti doxxing is perfect, but its at least a step in the right direction.
 
2021-12-07 10:27:58 AM  

chawco: phalamir: chawco: Maybe, but I'm not sure you have the right to post my name and address and email.

Those are not private information.  They are all signifiers for others to interact with you, so keeping them private would be self-defeating.  You are not required to give them to everyone, but there is no breach of privacy if someone obtains them legally.  Now, some places have laws about releasing those pieces of information for specific groups of people, usually police and judges; but the very existence of those laws shows that hiding them is the exception, not the rule.  And outside a specific contract freely agreed to by the other party, you can't stop someone from disseminating information they have.

I'm not sure you are familiar with the concept of doxxing and how it is used.

It is often used as a form of political terrorism, where the address of someone you disagree with or don't like is posted in a public forum, and they start sending threatening letters to peoples houses, often along with things like pictures of their children they take outside their house.

Because the right wings, and online trolls in general, are terrible human beings.

It is perfectly and 100% rational for a social media platform to ban doxxing people because it is nearly ways used as a form of political/social terrorism.


The problem here is that the first batch of takedowns was an organized effort by racists to not be doxxed as racists.
 
2021-12-07 10:28:05 AM  
This is what fascists do. They find loopholes to exploit in order to sow disorder.
 
2021-12-07 10:31:06 AM  

chawco: Anubislg: chawco: johnphantom: Meatsim1: I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?

If you are in public, I have the right to take your picture and talk about what you are doing.

Maybe, but I'm not sure you have the right to post my name and address and email. I gather, from thr not amazingly well written article, the original.i tent was tomofevent doing, which I am on board with.

Though that goes both ways. I dont thinknit should be ok to doxx someone, for  example, because they are a woman calling out bad behavior (ala gamergate). But then the implication is we shouldn't dox people for political activity even if we find it highly objectionable.

In theory the policy seems to make sense.

Its 100% not shocking that angry right wing douchebags are weapons zing it to get people blocked. There is no shiatty behavior the right wing asshomes won't stop to. They think its funny, because their only sense of humor is to be assholes.

Names and addresses can usually be found by looking at public records. Property maps are a goldmine for names and addresses.

When you buy a house or get married, you'd be surprised at how much information suddenly becomes public.

Yeah sure, but when someone.exllictly posts that on Twitter and mobilizes there followers to Harris you, thats a whole level past each person can in theory go do it on their own.

I'm.not saying anti doxxing is perfect, but its at least a step in the right direction.


Then the rules need changed, but until then you have to fight with every tool that is legally available, especially when the nutjobs are doing that and worse.

This reminds me a lot of "gentlemenly agreement" in sports. They're all well and good, right up until someone figures out they can win if they just ignore them. And they do. And they win. That's what is happening. Either codify the rule in the book, or be prepared for the worst of us to sink to those tactics, and everyone else has to follow suit or lose.
 
2021-12-07 10:32:58 AM  
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2021-12-07 10:33:52 AM  

Geotpf: chawco: phalamir: chawco: Maybe, but I'm not sure you have the right to post my name and address and email.

Those are not private information.  They are all signifiers for others to interact with you, so keeping them private would be self-defeating.  You are not required to give them to everyone, but there is no breach of privacy if someone obtains them legally.  Now, some places have laws about releasing those pieces of information for specific groups of people, usually police and judges; but the very existence of those laws shows that hiding them is the exception, not the rule.  And outside a specific contract freely agreed to by the other party, you can't stop someone from disseminating information they have.

I'm not sure you are familiar with the concept of doxxing and how it is used.

It is often used as a form of political terrorism, where the address of someone you disagree with or don't like is posted in a public forum, and they start sending threatening letters to peoples houses, often along with things like pictures of their children they take outside their house.

Because the right wings, and online trolls in general, are terrible human beings.

It is perfectly and 100% rational for a social media platform to ban doxxing people because it is nearly ways used as a form of political/social terrorism.

The problem here is that the first batch of takedowns was an organized effort by racists to not be doxxed as racists.


ya, thats def a thing, and I hope twitter, etc, fixes it. But there's a lot of implication here in thread, and ins tory, that we should jsut allow doxxing, as I read people, and I disagree, because I see the issue well beyond the right wing people weaponizing the reporting.

Here's hoping twitter fixes it. The right is VERY good at weaponizing reporting tools like this. Because they are dicks.
 
2021-12-07 10:34:11 AM  

johnphantom: chawco: By all means, take the kids gloves off, but I thinknthe anti doing policies are not a bad idea. They've weaponized doxxing very effectively.

Then make it illegal. As long as something is legal, we should be doing it to them too, just as hard as they do it to us.

Take the gloves off. Now is the time, if there is one.


I don't know about illegal, I mean sure, but the point is, twitter can't pass law. I'm cool with them saying no more doxing though. See reasoning above. You can, of course, disagree as a value judgement for the relative value of protecting people versus fighting back against the right wing hate machine. But I think the right wing will always be better at weaponizing things like doxxing.

We don't typically send death threats to people's homes and make them run into hiding,.

Maybe we should. At very least we need to expose these people, and it is legal. If you or Headso think that we should not be allowed to use addresses, then make it illegal. RIGHT NOW, we have no choice but to fight or die.


But it shouldn't be illegal, like if you wanted to make a site specifically for doxing american right wing nuts then that is the only use of the site, you aren't also using it to harass some ex girlfriend or bully some kid. But if you have this site that is mostly used by people outside of the extremist political sphere you have to base your site wide rules on that vast majority imo. Not to mention in some other countries their extremists are people actually fighting for a more equal society, these policies protect them too.
 
2021-12-07 10:36:07 AM  
Expect this to amp up in 2022, just like it did before 2016 and 2018.

Right wing chuckleheads don't like a fair fight.
 
2021-12-07 10:42:14 AM  

Elliot8654: chawco: Anubislg: chawco: johnphantom: Meatsim1: I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?

If you are in public, I have the right to take your picture and talk about what you are doing.

Maybe, but I'm not sure you have the right to post my name and address and email. I gather, from thr not amazingly well written article, the original.i tent was tomofevent doing, which I am on board with.

Though that goes both ways. I dont thinknit should be ok to doxx someone, for  example, because they are a woman calling out bad behavior (ala gamergate). But then the implication is we shouldn't dox people for political activity even if we find it highly objectionable.

In theory the policy seems to make sense.

Its 100% not shocking that angry right wing douchebags are weapons zing it to get people blocked. There is no shiatty behavior the right wing asshomes won't stop to. They think its funny, because their only sense of humor is to be assholes.

Names and addresses can usually be found by looking at public records. Property maps are a goldmine for names and addresses.

When you buy a house or get married, you'd be surprised at how much information suddenly becomes public.

Yeah sure, but when someone.exllictly posts that on Twitter and mobilizes there followers to Harris you, thats a whole level past each person can in theory go do it on their own.

I'm.not saying anti doxxing is perfect, but its at least a step in the right direction.

Then the rules need changed, but until then you have to fight with every tool that is legally available, especially when the nutjobs are doing that and worse.

This reminds me a lot of "gentlemenly agreement" in sports. They're all well and good, right up until someone figures out they can win if they just ignore them. And they do. And they win. That's what is happening. Either codify the rule in the book, or be prepared for the worst of us to sink to those tactics, and everyone else has to follow suit or lose.


Yeah, I agree  we should use the tools they use against us against them. Please do. :)

I'm still pretty pro anti doxing  :)
 
2021-12-07 10:45:03 AM  
Working as planned. EVERYONE knew this would be the end result.
 
2021-12-07 11:03:22 AM  

Meatsim1: I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?


If you're a journalist covering white supremacist rallies and actions, yeah its a bad thing.
 
2021-12-07 11:03:28 AM  

chawco: It is perfectly and 100% rational for a social media platform to ban doxxing people because it is nearly ways used as a form of political/social terrorism.


Is it perfectly rational for them to do it in such a way that everyone who has been paying attention predicted it would be used to protect abusers and harm victims of harassment, based on Twitter's history in other aspects of its moderation, such as things like reporting racism, threats, harassment, etc. almost always end up with those doing the harassing to be fine, but those victims who lash out in their frustration at such inaction getting banned when voicing their frustration?

When Twitter announced this policy, EVERYONE knew it was going to be used exactly opposite of how they stated its intent would be in the blog post announcing this policy. Everyone knew it would be used to silence journalists, victims calling out their abusers (and posting direct evidence of their abuse), and people showing the world things like police brutality, etc. Everyone knew this was going to benefit the victimizers and hurt the victims further. Because it is either a poorly thought out and designed policy and those who made it weren't smart enough to see what everyone else could see, or because it was done so intentionally to allow the powerful to keep abusing the marginalized and those who would side with them and try to help and protect them. 

If your anti-doxxing policy protects the abusers while harming the abused then it is not a step in the right direction no matter one's intent. 

It is perfectly rational to want to want to protect victims of abuse from doxxing. It is not perfectly rational to implement a policy in a half-assed way, whether intentionally or not, that does exactly the opposite of that.
 
2021-12-07 11:17:57 AM  

mamoru: chawco: It is perfectly and 100% rational for a social media platform to ban doxxing people because it is nearly ways used as a form of political/social terrorism.

Is it perfectly rational for them to do it in such a way that everyone who has been paying attention predicted it would be used to protect abusers and harm victims of harassment, based on Twitter's history in other aspects of its moderation, such as things like reporting racism, threats, harassment, etc. almost always end up with those doing the harassing to be fine, but those victims who lash out in their frustration at such inaction getting banned when voicing their frustration?

When Twitter announced this policy, EVERYONE knew it was going to be used exactly opposite of how they stated its intent would be in the blog post announcing this policy. Everyone knew it would be used to silence journalists, victims calling out their abusers (and posting direct evidence of their abuse), and people showing the world things like police brutality, etc. Everyone knew this was going to benefit the victimizers and hurt the victims further. Because it is either a poorly thought out and designed policy and those who made it weren't smart enough to see what everyone else could see, or because it was done so intentionally to allow the powerful to keep abusing the marginalized and those who would side with them and try to help and protect them. 

If your anti-doxxing policy protects the abusers while harming the abused then it is not a step in the right direction no matter one's intent. 

It is perfectly rational to want to want to protect victims of abuse from doxxing. It is not perfectly rational to implement a policy in a half-assed way, whether intentionally or not, that does exactly the opposite of that.


A very cromulent and well made counter point. Twitter does not exactly have stellar rep, same as all the other big social media platforms, at putting in place polices that really protect people instead of whatever is cheapest, easiest, but enough to sound like they are trying.

I'd rather see a legislative effort that doxxing people online for the purposes of harassment (like what happened with Mrs. Blasey Ford during Breer Bro's confirmation) would be specifically defined as illegal and subject to civil and criminal penalties. Though of course that could easily, and probably would, be poorly implemented in such a way that right wing nut jobs start a long series of nuisance lawsuits.
 
2021-12-07 11:29:37 AM  

inglixthemad: iheartscotch: inglixthemad: UberDave: [Fark user image 850x478]White nationalists taking part in a rally near the White House in 2018


Ah yes, the only time they will wear a mask.

They are cowards because they are followers of a bankrupt ideology, and they damn well know the truth.

They know they should be embarrassed to be White Nationalists / Nazis and that's why they hide their faces. They lack courage, and moral conviction, that their beliefs are actually correct.

ALL White Nationalists / Nazis should be exposed, shamed, and ridiculed.

But exposing Nazis as the ignorant C.H.U.D.s they are might upset said Nazis. They just want to plot the deaths of anyone who disagrees with them in peace, is that so wrong?

Yeah I have that picture.

[pbs.twimg.com image 750x732]

I wouldn't publish home addresses, but I would put up names and pictures and name their employers.


Instead of "compromise?", it should instead state "both sides are bad".
 
2021-12-07 11:50:19 AM  

johnphantom: Headso: johnphantom: Headso: johnphantom: Meatsim1: I'm glad Twitter has rules which let people take down photos of them they don't want posted on their platform.

Is this a bad thing?

If you are in public, I have the right to take your picture and talk about what you are doing.

But twitter doesn't have to give you a platform to post the picture you have the right to take.

Since when did Twitter care about morals?

they don't, but i would argue this is some policy based off the majority of use cases where it is going to be just some asshole bullying someone he/she knows personally or some domestic dispute/revenge scenario.

What about the people being killed by them doing this? You do realize there have been murders? They brought it to this level. If they are in public at a Nazi rally, then we have every right to know EVERYTHING about them.


You don't have a right simply because you feel you should have it. The fact is, you don't have any rights when it comes to your usage of Twitter, except for maybe the right not to use it.

They're implementing a general rule that applies to all users. Despite the media portrayal, it's not about Nazis or right wing groups, and it's not intended to specifically protect them. There have been plenty of incidents where someone was "doxxed" simply for having an unpopular opinion. The only ones who consider this acceptable are members of the vigilante mobs who are, at that moment at least, not negatively affected by it.

It's a good, common sense policy. You just can't see it through your tearful outrage and self-appointed "rights".
 
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