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(Axios)   Americans are taking fewer trips downtown. Probably due to COVID. And the realization that they don't need to pay $18 for parking and join panhandling fight club to go to Starbucks, Chipotle and Old Navy   (axios.com) divider line
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518 clicks; posted to Business » on 07 Dec 2021 at 11:25 AM (6 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-12-07 11:10:38 AM  
The first rule of panhandling fight club is that you don't talk about panhandling fight club.
 
2021-12-07 11:27:42 AM  
Old navy was always inferior to target
Chipotle was always inferior to Qdoba
Starbucks was always inferior to your locally run coffee joint

So I guess this is about changes in the habits of white women
 
2021-12-07 11:32:15 AM  
"Downtown" is so homogenized in America anymore. Been to 3 other downtowns fairly recently and I swear to fark I could barely tell them apart from the downtown of my own city. It's like the same mall developer did them all, like those fashion village outdoor shopping malls that are all identical and all over.
 
hej
2021-12-07 11:37:12 AM  
Around these parts, exit ramp panhandling has spread to the suburbs.
 
2021-12-07 11:41:56 AM  
Don't tell that to subby's Mom.
 
2021-12-07 11:47:00 AM  

neongoats: "Downtown" is so homogenized in America anymore. Been to 3 other downtowns fairly recently and I swear to fark I could barely tell them apart from the downtown of my own city. It's like the same mall developer did them all, like those fashion village outdoor shopping malls that are all identical and all over.


Theres only so many ways to appeal to the yuppie crowd.
 
2021-12-07 11:54:31 AM  

neongoats: "Downtown" is so homogenized in America anymore. Been to 3 other downtowns fairly recently and I swear to fark I could barely tell them apart from the downtown of my own city. It's like the same mall developer did them all, like those fashion village outdoor shopping malls that are all identical and all over.


And it probably isn't the same planners or developers from town to town... They're just copying what works.

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2021-12-07 11:56:53 AM  

OccamsWhiskers: Don't tell that to subby's Mom.


Seriously, before I opened the article, I thought that's to what subby was alluding, as well.
 
2021-12-07 11:58:10 AM  

hej: Around these parts, exit ramp panhandling has spread to the suburbs.


And as the years go on, more and more of the residents of those suburbs will be the ones doing the panhandling.
 
2021-12-07 12:01:45 PM  
What the hell are people gonna do when they are alone and life is making them lonely?!?!?
 
2021-12-07 12:02:14 PM  
It depends on the downtown.  Folks around here will go to the WalMart or Target shopping center to do their normal business, but will go downtown for an event or to visit a bar on a weekend night.

/25 years ago our downtown was dead and full of storefront churches, then the city realized they needed to spend money to give affluent white people reasons to go back downtown.  That included lifting the alcohol sales restrictions.
 
2021-12-07 12:27:05 PM  

Marcos P: What the hell are people gonna do when they are alone and life is making them lonely?!?!?


Masturbate furiously?
 
2021-12-07 12:31:26 PM  

clkeagle: neongoats: "Downtown" is so homogenized in America anymore. Been to 3 other downtowns fairly recently and I swear to fark I could barely tell them apart from the downtown of my own city. It's like the same mall developer did them all, like those fashion village outdoor shopping malls that are all identical and all over.

And it probably isn't the same planners or developers from town to town... They're just copying what works.

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Aerodynamics and trending tastes are going to do that to vehicle shapes.
 
2021-12-07 12:38:39 PM  
So, before we had everything delivered, the reason for going out to eat was socializing.  so what's your excuse now--you don't like to socialize?
But any one will do, as long as somebody takes care of your lazy ass, right?

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2021-12-07 12:40:45 PM  
The bottom line: The average American driver spent 36 hours stuck in traffic in 2021 - worse than last year - but far below 2019 levels, when drivers wasted nearly 100 hours in traffic.

And you are way too farking important for that.  Make somebody else do it.  And it better be here in a timely manner, too.
 
2021-12-07 12:42:25 PM  
Fewer trips downtown, more trips on LSD.
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2021-12-07 12:48:30 PM  

Marcos P: What the hell are people gonna do when they are alone and life is making them lonely?!?!?


You can always go uptown, and meet yourself a nice girl.
 
2021-12-07 12:52:46 PM  

UNC_Samurai: It depends on the downtown.  Folks around here will go to the WalMart or Target shopping center to do their normal business, but will go downtown for an event or to visit a bar on a weekend night.

/25 years ago our downtown was dead and full of storefront churches, then the city realized they needed to spend money to give affluent white people reasons to go back downtown.  That included lifting the alcohol sales restrictions.


Is there no Joel Osteen in your town?
 
2021-12-07 1:03:05 PM  
Nobody goes to downtown Atlanta anyway.  That's just offices.

Granted, when I talk to someone from the exurbs, they call anything within 10 miles of downtown to be downtown.

Me:  "Yeah, we had dinner in the Highlands last night."

Them:  "You go downtown after dark!?"
 
2021-12-07 1:17:30 PM  
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2021-12-07 1:25:48 PM  
Last time I worked downtown Minneapolis (2013), a monthly parking spot was $250 and up.

Taking the express bus from my suburb cost $6 a day. $100 a month pre-tax on my paycheck (so $65-70 after tax expense) got me $110 in bus rides. Once a year I'd have to throw an extra $50-80 on it which I could do at my local grocery store and get the extra +10% on that too.

The average age of the riders on my bus was 40-45. Hell, one 60-ish woman parked her Mercedes at the ramp to take the bus.

Also a great excuse not to be forced to work late.  ("Nope, my last bus is at 6:16, so I'm out at 6!")

$250-350 to pay for parking
or
$70 a month out of my paycheck to take the bus.
 
2021-12-07 1:29:40 PM  
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haz a sad
 
2021-12-07 2:02:52 PM  
You would have to pay me to go to downtown Seattle. It is a sh**hole.
 
2021-12-07 2:13:13 PM  
I've avoided downtown like the plague for years. Now the plague is yet one more reason to avoid it.
 
2021-12-07 2:47:15 PM  
If cities want people to go downtown, they need to give them a reason. If they want businesses there, the businesses need to be able to afford to be there. If they can't, then you're gonna get a lot of empty store fronts and a lot of megacorporate garbage, or you're gonna have to provide assistance to smaller businesses.

Cities made their choices.
 
2021-12-07 3:06:14 PM  

hej: Around these parts, exit ramp panhandling has spread to the suburbs.


That's where the money is.
 
2021-12-07 3:06:59 PM  
Downtown Boston is Macy's, Primark, Old Navy, Marshalls, and not much else. Nearby is the Theatre District and Chinatown. Unfortunately, all three areas are still somewhat affected by the ghosts of the Combat Zone past, and you have to be aware of your surroundings.
 
2021-12-07 3:24:07 PM  
If my downtown had a Starbucks, Chipotle and Old Navy it'd be pretty f*cking lame. I wouldn't go there either.
 
2021-12-07 3:25:30 PM  

Marcos P: What the hell are people gonna do when they are alone and life is making them lonely?!?!?


I don't KNOW, Marcos!
 
2021-12-07 3:28:27 PM  

austerity101: If cities want people to go downtown, they need to give them a reason. If they want businesses there, the businesses need to be able to afford to be there. If they can't, then you're gonna get a lot of empty store fronts and a lot of megacorporate garbage, or you're gonna have to provide assistance to smaller businesses.

Cities made their choices.


Username checks out is slightly ironic
 
2021-12-07 3:31:48 PM  

mcreadyblue: UNC_Samurai: It depends on the downtown.  Folks around here will go to the WalMart or Target shopping center to do their normal business, but will go downtown for an event or to visit a bar on a weekend night.

/25 years ago our downtown was dead and full of storefront churches, then the city realized they needed to spend money to give affluent white people reasons to go back downtown.  That included lifting the alcohol sales restrictions.

Is there no Joel Osteen in your town?


There's a pseudo-mega-church, but they went for cheap land on the outskirts of the city back in the 90s.
 
2021-12-07 4:34:57 PM  
Whoever marked this "spiffy" is an idiot. I also imagine the trend isn't just for "downtown" but also where the museums are and all the other neighborhoods near downtown that have locally owned restaurants, bars, venues etc.... The stuff that makes a place worth living in and visiting.

I noticed a big downturn in the large city I was living in and the small city I am in now feels even more empty. It wasn't good for cities, or the country as whole, the last time cities emptied out. They need density to function.
 
2021-12-07 5:12:49 PM  

neongoats: "Downtown" is so homogenized in America anymore. Been to 3 other downtowns fairly recently and I swear to fark I could barely tell them apart from the downtown of my own city. It's like the same mall developer did them all, like those fashion village outdoor shopping malls that are all identical and all over.


Oh yeah, nothing like going to a conference in a city you've never been to before and you go for dinner in the "arts" or "nightlife" district and it's the same resurrected factory you've been to in every other city. Ooooh, exposed brick. How authentic and gritty. I wonder if they have "loft" condos above the shops.
 
2021-12-07 5:44:16 PM  

Fear the Clam: neongoats: "Downtown" is so homogenized in America anymore. Been to 3 other downtowns fairly recently and I swear to fark I could barely tell them apart from the downtown of my own city. It's like the same mall developer did them all, like those fashion village outdoor shopping malls that are all identical and all over.

Oh yeah, nothing like going to a conference in a city you've never been to before and you go for dinner in the "arts" or "nightlife" district and it's the same resurrected factory you've been to in every other city. Ooooh, exposed brick. How authentic and gritty. I wonder if they have "loft" condos above the shops.



Because half of every downtown was composed of brick warehouses and the other half was formerly a railroad terminal.
 
2021-12-07 8:23:23 PM  
Downtown Raleigh NC is a ghost town, mostly from the riots last year. Easily 80% of the glass in central downtown was blown out, looting, etc. Thats a tough one to come back from. A good number of independent shop owners I know are making plans to leave as soon as their leases are out. It's...otherworldly quiet. I think the bars and restaurants that are still surviving will be ok, but retail is doomed with the rent rates being stupidly high.
 
2021-12-07 9:06:26 PM  
Downtown: Now with more carjacking.
 
2021-12-07 9:23:46 PM  

hej: Around these parts, exit ramp panhandling has spread to the suburbs.


Yes. There are 5 exits at our local grocery parking lot. The other day, panhandlers held down 3 corner spots. The weather has just turned cold so that may keep them downtown near their doss house.
 
2021-12-07 9:35:58 PM  
All the chain shops are on a different street, so the downtown here is still pretty nice. Independent stores, lots of bars, lots of weed, and the last photo lab in the state. Once recreational is legal in a few weeks, I can get some Kodak Ektar, banana kush, and a burger & a beer in one stop.
 
2021-12-08 7:13:49 AM  

clkeagle: neongoats: "Downtown" is so homogenized in America anymore. Been to 3 other downtowns fairly recently and I swear to fark I could barely tell them apart from the downtown of my own city. It's like the same mall developer did them all, like those fashion village outdoor shopping malls that are all identical and all over.

And it probably isn't the same planners or developers from town to town... They're just copying what works.

See also:
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Of course the German cars are the closest to 100% white...
 
2021-12-08 9:22:15 AM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Fear the Clam: neongoats: "Downtown" is so homogenized in America anymore. Been to 3 other downtowns fairly recently and I swear to fark I could barely tell them apart from the downtown of my own city. It's like the same mall developer did them all, like those fashion village outdoor shopping malls that are all identical and all over.

Oh yeah, nothing like going to a conference in a city you've never been to before and you go for dinner in the "arts" or "nightlife" district and it's the same resurrected factory you've been to in every other city. Ooooh, exposed brick. How authentic and gritty. I wonder if they have "loft" condos above the shops.


Because half of every downtown was composed of brick warehouses and the other half was formerly a railroad terminal.


And in an awful lot of cases, those old warehouses and terminals are torn down to build new "loft" residences from scratch.
 
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