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(Pottstown Mercury)   80 years ago, December 7, 1941, a day that lives in infamy, the Germans attacked Pearl Harbor ... or something like that. Tag for all Americans who died that day   (pottsmerc.com) divider line
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2021-12-06 8:56:58 PM  
Will 9/11, 1/6 become some obscure days on the calendar as does the Pearl Harbor attack is today?

I hope not personally.
 
2021-12-06 9:00:34 PM  
Nazi Germany declared war against the US after the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. Made things much easier for FDR to do what he knew needed to be done.
 
2021-12-06 9:08:50 PM  

AirForceVet: Will 9/11, 1/6 become some obscure days on the calendar as does the Pearl Harbor attack is today?

I hope not personally.


Been saying this for bout a decade.
On facecrack, I get called all sorts of nasty names with an "unAmerican" tossed in as well
 
2021-12-06 9:25:26 PM  
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2021-12-06 10:01:03 PM  

AirForceVet: Will 9/11, 1/6 become some obscure days on the calendar as does the Pearl Harbor attack is today?

I hope not personally.


Probably. Eventually you have an entire generation that wasn't alive when the event happened, and it fades from view. Then half of the the next generation doesn't even have second-hand memories to go on. Everything fades.
 
2021-12-06 10:02:12 PM  
My dad was stationed at Schofield Barracks which is near Wheeler Airfield. The airfield was attacked, then the planes strafed Schofield Barracks. Dad was 19-years old and saw his best friend killed that day.

Pre-WWII dad loved to hunt and fish. When he got home he never picked up a firearm again.
 
2021-12-06 10:05:37 PM  

The.anti-Larry: [Fark user image image 850x637][Fark user image image 850x1133][Fark user image image 850x637]


I still remember my visit to Pearl Harbor when I was 16.

Side note:

My Grandma's cousin was living in Honolulu at the time...working as a teacher.  She once told me that she could see the smoke off in the distance.
 
2021-12-06 10:24:18 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: My dad was stationed at Schofield Barracks which is near Wheeler Airfield. The airfield was attacked, then the planes strafed Schofield Barracks. Dad was 19-years old and saw his best friend killed that day.

Pre-WWII dad loved to hunt and fish. When he got home he never picked up a firearm again.


One of my grandfathers just missed the attack.
He ship was on route on that day, they delayed a bit, but he got there 2 days later.
Still part of the massive cleanup.
He was a SeaBee.
 
2021-12-06 10:47:45 PM  
Let's all get bombed!
 
2021-12-07 12:19:08 AM  

The_Sponge: The.anti-Larry: [Fark user image image 850x637][Fark user image image 850x1133][Fark user image image 850x637]

I still remember my visit to Pearl Harbor when I was 16.

Side note:

My Grandma's cousin was living in Honolulu at the time...working as a teacher.  She once told me that she could see the smoke off in the distance.


My dad was boarding a troop ship in San Francisco on December 7th, originally bound for the Philippines.  They were diverted to Hawaii, where he was assigned to the 24th Infantry Division.  I don't know when he got to Hawaii but I recall him saying that there was still some smoke rising from the harbor.  After that Australia in 1943 and the operation in New Guinea in 1944 where a mosquito ended his war.
 
2021-12-07 12:27:10 AM  

The.anti-Larry: The_Sponge: The.anti-Larry: [Fark user image image 850x637][Fark user image image 850x1133][Fark user image image 850x637]

I still remember my visit to Pearl Harbor when I was 16.

Side note:

My Grandma's cousin was living in Honolulu at the time...working as a teacher.  She once told me that she could see the smoke off in the distance.

My dad was boarding a troop ship in San Francisco on December 7th, originally bound for the Philippines.  They were diverted to Hawaii, where he was assigned to the 24th Infantry Division.  I don't know when he got to Hawaii but I recall him saying that there was still some smoke rising from the harbor.  After that Australia in 1943 and the operation in New Guinea in 1944 where a mosquito ended his war.


Oh wow.
 
2021-12-07 1:09:57 AM  
Pearl Harbour - Surprise Attack
Youtube 6lIm06JOBtw
 
2021-12-07 1:11:21 AM  
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/see, because trump is actually that stupid .. n/m
 
2021-12-07 1:12:56 AM  
And we're honoring this time by ... becoming more fascist than ever. Woo.
 
2021-12-07 1:13:12 AM  
Wasn't that the Russians?
 
2021-12-07 1:16:03 AM  
It was the British. It was a plot to get us into their war.
 
2021-12-07 1:20:02 AM  
I remember visiting Hickam Field years ago and seeing the very large, deep divots spalled by machine gun fire from the solid concrete walls of what had been a barracks. They'd left them there and not repaired them. Terrifying even now, I can't imagine what it must have been like at the time.
 
2021-12-07 1:22:48 AM  

AirForceVet: Will 9/11, 1/6 become some obscure days on the calendar as does the Pearl Harbor attack is today?

I hope not personally.


Not a year goes by where it doesn't get all sorts of press in our local paper, and I live in Liberalville.  Have no idea where in the US it wouldn't be mentioned and remembered. But, with that said, it's not the actual date that is important, it's the event and how it changed the country and world. Drives me nuts when children are forced to memorize dates as if THAT is history.  What date did the British land to kick off the Revolutionary War?  Doesn't matter!
 
2021-12-07 1:30:02 AM  

Watubi: I live in Liberalville.


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2021-12-07 1:31:50 AM  
Why did they go all the way over the pacific when they were closer to the east coast?
 
2021-12-07 1:32:31 AM  
Conspiracy theory program decided that FDR set up PH for the attack because he wanted the excuse to get into WW2. The American public did not want to get involved, so he gave them a reason. He feared that Germany would take the UK and the USA would be next.

Of course, this was the same show that said Lindbergh arranged his son's kidnapping and the moon landing was fake.
 
2021-12-07 1:34:59 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: My dad was stationed at Schofield Barracks which is near Wheeler Airfield. The airfield was attacked, then the planes strafed Schofield Barracks. Dad was 19-years old and saw his best friend killed that day.

Pre-WWII dad loved to hunt and fish. When he got home he never picked up a firearm again.


Well, I've heard there are other ways to fish.
 
2021-12-07 1:37:43 AM  

covfefe: Bathia_Mapes: My dad was stationed at Schofield Barracks which is near Wheeler Airfield. The airfield was attacked, then the planes strafed Schofield Barracks. Dad was 19-years old and saw his best friend killed that day.

Pre-WWII dad loved to hunt and fish. When he got home he never picked up a firearm again.

Well, I've heard there are other ways to fish.


You are a terrible person for making me laugh.
 
2021-12-07 1:37:52 AM  

jaivirtualcard: Why did they go all the way over the pacific when they were closer to the east coast?


Globes and refueling, how to THEY work?
 
2021-12-07 1:40:18 AM  

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Crewmen who survived the USS Arizona's sinking have the option of being interred within vessel and rejoining their shipmates for their eternal rest.  A memorial ceremony is held for them in the USS Arizona Memorial before the urn is handed to a team of divers, who place them within the ship at gun turret #4.  It's a very moving thing to see, even if you've only seen it in online videos:

Interment of Joseph Langdell at the USS Arizona, Pearl Harbor
Youtube N-6V7rqmqNg
 
2021-12-07 1:45:44 AM  

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/see, because trump is actually that stupid .. n/m


What was stupid was the Ben Affleck "Pearl Harbor" movie, where they ruined a perfectly good war film by trying to make it into a date flick.  Dead and dying guys all over the place, and then that one pretty nurse gets killed and they break out the violins, slow down the film and play sad music. Gad.
 
2021-12-07 1:45:47 AM  

Watubi: AirForceVet: Will 9/11, 1/6 become some obscure days on the calendar as does the Pearl Harbor attack is today?

I hope not personally.

Not a year goes by where it doesn't get all sorts of press in our local paper, and I live in Liberalville.  Have no idea where in the US it wouldn't be mentioned and remembered. But, with that said, it's not the actual date that is important, it's the event and how it changed the country and world. Drives me nuts when children are forced to memorize dates as if THAT is history.  What date did the British land to kick off the Revolutionary War?  Doesn't matter!


Children can remember lots more stuff than you apparently can, dingus.
 
2021-12-07 1:47:18 AM  
Sobering thought of the day:

Japan killed 2,403 Americans at Pearl Harbor.

Trump's incompetent response and politicizing of COVID is directly responsible for 788,000 dead Americans so far, or the equivalent of 328 Pearl Harbor's.... And there's there's still tens of millions of people yearning for him to continue on his path of destruction.

It boggles the mind.
 
2021-12-07 1:53:48 AM  

BuckTurgidson: jaivirtualcard: Why did they go all the way over the pacific when they were closer to the east coast?

Globes and refueling, how to THEY work?


From Germany? The logistics almost seem impossible/impractical.

/also jokes
//how do THEY work?
 
2021-12-07 2:00:00 AM  

jaivirtualcard: BuckTurgidson: jaivirtualcard: Why did they go all the way over the pacific when they were closer to the east coast?

Globes and refueling, how to THEY work?

From Germany? The logistics almost seem impossible/impractical.

/also jokes
//how do THEY work?


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2021-12-07 2:00:43 AM  

Excelsior: Sobering thought of the day:

Japan killed 2,403 Americans at Pearl Harbor.

Trump's incompetent response and politicizing of COVID is directly responsible for 788,000 dead Americans so far, or the equivalent of 328 Pearl Harbor's.... And there's there's still tens of millions of people yearning for him to continue on his path of destruction.

It boggles the mind.


shiatheads love to worship a shiathead god-king. Look at Germany with Hitler. Same thing.

America's in tough shape, and its apathy/indifference to those who seek to disregard its laws and destroy its institutions may soon be its downfall. Unless people decide to get off their asses and do something about it.
 
2021-12-07 2:03:33 AM  

Polish Hussar: The.anti-Larry: [Fark user image 850x637][Fark user image 850x1133][Fark user image 850x637]

Crewmen who survived the USS Arizona's sinking have the option of being interred within vessel and rejoining their shipmates for their eternal rest.  A memorial ceremony is held for them in the USS Arizona Memorial before the urn is handed to a team of divers, who place them within the ship at gun turret #4.  It's a very moving thing to see, even if you've only seen it in online videos:

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The National Park Service also has videos up of the full ceremony for several USS Arizona interments.  The most recent one was last year when Lauren Bruner was laid to rest, he was the second to last man to get off the Arizona alive.  He will also likely be the last man interred within the Arizona, the remaining two survivors intend to be buried with their families on land when they pass.

INTERMENT OF MR. LAUREN BRUNER
Youtube DusaP4gRaUA

Bruner was one of six men who escaped from an anti-aircraft gun director position on the mast by shimmying across a rope they'd been thrown from the USS Vestal over their burning ship and the burning harbor.  Burned over two-thirds of his body and with two bullet wounds, he got on a destroyer as soon as he got out of the hospital and wound up fighting the Aleutians campaign.  He was also quite a character and much beloved if the eulogies in the video are anything to go by.

In 2014 the Arizona Republic profiled all of the then living USS Arizona survivors, there were nine then.  It's well worth your time to read.  Lou Conter, for example, after the Arizona flew special operations missions in Catalina flying boats before the term "special operations" was a thing and wrote the Navy's first escape and evasion manual post-war.
 
2021-12-07 2:03:34 AM  
My 14 year-old grandmother was at the corner store around the corner from her home when she heard the sirens, and saw the attack in the distance, decided to get the fark home.
 
2021-12-07 2:03:38 AM  

AirForceVet: Will 9/11, 1/6 become some obscure days on the calendar as does the Pearl Harbor attack is today?

I hope not personally.


REMEMBER THE MAINE!!!
 
2021-12-07 2:05:44 AM  
My father was a military public relations officer who worked with Ernie Pyle during WWII. In the late 60s while stationed at Hickam AFB he was assigned to chaperone a group of Japanese news men recounting the Pearl Harbor attack around the base. They ended up at PACAF headquarters which still to this day has bullet holes in its walls from the attack. They asked, " what caliber bullets caused these holes?" to which he replied, "I don't know, you'll have to ask your guys."
 
2021-12-07 2:16:16 AM  
80 years ago, December 7, 1941, a day that lives in infamy, the Germans attacked Pearl Harbor ... or something like that. Tag for all Americans who died that day

I don't disagree with some of the sentiment towards those that died, but, ... that's a pretty broad brushstroke for painting heroes.
 
2021-12-07 2:23:02 AM  
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2021-12-07 2:24:51 AM  

planes: gameshowhost: [Fark user image image 300x168]

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/see, because trump is actually that stupid .. n/m

What was stupid was the Ben Affleck "Pearl Harbor" movie, where they ruined a perfectly good war film by trying to make it into a date flick.  Dead and dying guys all over the place, and then that one pretty nurse gets killed and they break out the violins, slow down the film and play sad music. Gad.


Watch Tora! Tora! Tora!instead.
 
2021-12-07 2:32:05 AM  

AirForceVet: Will 9/11, 1/6 become some obscure days on the calendar as does the Pearl Harbor attack is today?

I hope not personally.


I'm pretty sure 9/11 won't become obscure, but 1/6?  It already is.  No one's marking their calendars in remembrance over a riot*.

/Otherwise our calendars would be full.
//Anyone remember the date of the L.A riots off hand?*
///Or the 50 BLM riots last year?*


*Presumably does not apply to family members that lost loved ones during said riots
 
2021-12-07 2:41:30 AM  
 
2021-12-07 2:41:53 AM  

GalFisk: planes: gameshowhost: [Fark user image image 300x168]

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/see, because trump is actually that stupid .. n/m

What was stupid was the Ben Affleck "Pearl Harbor" movie, where they ruined a perfectly good war film by trying to make it into a date flick.  Dead and dying guys all over the place, and then that one pretty nurse gets killed and they break out the violins, slow down the film and play sad music. Gad.

Watch Tora! Tora! Tora!instead.


I was in High School at Radford Oahu when that was filmed. Walking outdoors between classes one day the sound of multiple piston prop driven airplane engines caused us to look towards the sky and see a squadron of aircraft sporting the rising sun meatball on their lower wings. It was surreal to say the least.
 
2021-12-07 3:06:55 AM  

eurotrader: Nazi Germany declared war against the US after the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. Made things much easier for FDR to do what he knew needed to be done.


I firmly believe that is overblown.

Public sentiment had been moving to support the British and to a more active role for some time with things like the shoot on sight order being generally well recieved. The moment Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, the US and Britain were military allies as the had already began the invasion of Malaya.

If the US is allied with Britain against Japan, getting the public to support the existential threat to their only major ally would likely be quite simple. And if it takes a few months, that could only have helped the Allies by having more time to prepare.

The Germans didn't just arbitrarily declare war because Japan attacked. The US was already actively engaged in an undeclared war against Germany which allowed them to take actions against the Germans but limited the German ability to respond (see where US destroyers followed U-boats broadcasting their location to the British). And the US in December 1941 was more vulnerable than it ever would be. Formally declaring war was the logical course of action for the Germans at that point.
 
2021-12-07 3:11:15 AM  

AirForceVet: Will 9/11, 1/6 become some obscure days on the calendar as does the Pearl Harbor attack is today?

I hope not personally.


Sure it will. Given a few more decades of time and other events and it will steadily become less prominent.
 
2021-12-07 3:13:07 AM  

Mojongo: GalFisk: planes: gameshowhost: [Fark user image image 300x168]

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/see, because trump is actually that stupid .. n/m

What was stupid was the Ben Affleck "Pearl Harbor" movie, where they ruined a perfectly good war film by trying to make it into a date flick.  Dead and dying guys all over the place, and then that one pretty nurse gets killed and they break out the violins, slow down the film and play sad music. Gad.

Watch Tora! Tora! Tora!instead.

I was in High School at Radford Oahu when that was filmed. Walking outdoors between classes one day the sound of multiple piston prop driven airplane engines caused us to look towards the sky and see a squadron of aircraft sporting the rising sun meatball on their lower wings. It was surreal to say the least.


To say the least, indeed.  Something of a surreal moment made it into the film itself.  When the Japanese planes are flying over the mountains to Pearl Harbor, they fly past a large white cross.  That cross was an Army memorial to the Pearl Harbor dead, so it's almost like you suddenly jumped to "The Final Countdown" (23:19).

History Buffs: Tora! Tora! Tora!
Youtube 9PfdQod8HTw
 
2021-12-07 3:27:52 AM  

dywed88: The Germans didn't just arbitrarily declare war because Japan attacked. The US was already actively engaged in an undeclared war against Germany which allowed them to take actions against the Germans but limited the German ability to respond (see where US destroyers followed U-boats broadcasting their location to the British). And the US in December 1941 was more vulnerable than it ever would be. Formally declaring war was the logical course of action for the Germans at that point.


Military History Visualized gives a good summary of Germany's reasoning here:

Why did Hitler declare War on the USA?
Youtube EnfvGMAPCko
 
2021-12-07 3:31:44 AM  

barefoot2008: Conspiracy theory program decided that FDR set up PH for the attack because he wanted the excuse to get into WW2. The American public did not want to get involved, so he gave them a reason. He feared that Germany would take the UK and the USA would be next.

Of course, this was the same show that said Lindbergh arranged his son's kidnapping and the moon landing was fake.


I have always found that conspiracy particularly idiotic.

I can get behind the idea that FDR wanted the Japanese to attack, but he had absolutely nothing to gain by not having the bulk of the USN battleline crippled or sunk. Even if there was the need for a devastating surprise attack (which I don't believe for a second there was, if the forces were on alert and ready to engage the Japanese it would still have the same result in starting a war), they could have easily sent out the battleships on some maneuvers shortly before the attack and let smaller vessels bear the brunt of the attack.
 
2021-12-07 3:32:23 AM  

barefoot2008: Conspiracy theory program decided that FDR set up PH for the attack because he wanted the excuse to get into WW2. The American public did not want to get involved, so he gave them a reason. He feared that Germany would take the UK and the USA would be next.

Of course, this was the same show that said Lindbergh arranged his son's kidnapping and the moon landing was fake.


could have been worse.  if it happened today, 40% of the US would call it either a liberal hoax or a "false flag" operation.

I mean, look at all the people discounting China's threats against Japan and Taiwan.

/it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye
//or a naval base
 
2021-12-07 3:32:26 AM  
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Bullet holes in the glass of Hanger 79 on Ford Island and current home to part of the Pacific Aviation Museum.

/apparently Hans Gruber was one of the German pilots
 
2021-12-07 3:35:03 AM  

Watubi: What date did the British land to kick off the Revolutionary War?  Doesn't matter!



Can't tell if this is a joke along same lines as headline.  The colonies were British. The British were already there.
 
2021-12-07 3:35:04 AM  

BuckTurgidson: jaivirtualcard: Why did they go all the way over the pacific when they were closer to the east coast?

Globes and refueling, how to THEY work?


in 2 drastically different ways.  unless you found a commonality.
 
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