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(Some Science Guy)   DARPA funded researchers accidentally create a warp bubble for the first time reports department head Zefram Cochrane   (thedebrief.org) divider line
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1486 clicks; posted to STEM » on 06 Dec 2021 at 7:55 PM (23 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-12-06 5:33:14 PM  
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2021-12-06 6:28:47 PM  
I guess we were overdue for the next Big Bang anyway.

/see you on the other side of infinity
 
2021-12-06 6:55:01 PM  
Just divide by zero behind the spacecraft? Why am I the first to discover this?
 
2021-12-06 7:04:04 PM  
...and the internet. Which was DARPA...and CERN.

Tho the proud bois and republicans keep mis quoting GORE for HAHAHA HA

GORE did create the initiative that made our 'internet' possible.

Before that it was only open to .edu  .gov and .mil
Gore opened the infrastructure to commercial use.

Same with GPS in cars. GPS was initially purposefully 'crippled' in cars so GPS couldn't get a location for 100 yards or so.
GORE opened that up to allow GPS to be practical for street level navigation in cars.
 
2021-12-06 7:10:15 PM  
The Lawler Drive?
 
2021-12-06 8:00:55 PM  
Physicists have already demonstrated the Casimir effect. There is nothing new here relevant to "warp drives".
 
2021-12-06 8:03:09 PM  
bring on the Chaos gods!
 
2021-12-06 8:06:24 PM  
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2021-12-06 8:06:29 PM  
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Crusher: "Here's a question you shouldn't be able to answer. What is the nature of the universe?"

Computer: "The universe is a spheroid region seven hundred and five meters in diameter."
 
2021-12-06 8:15:03 PM  

Ambitwistor: Physicists have already demonstrated the Casimir effect. There is nothing new here relevant to "warp drives".


Yeah, this crank and his group have been going on about how successful they are with their warp drive stuff for a while now.  But they can't seem to actually do anything that can even really make it past peer review.  Last I saw they were "publishing" their results on some random forums.

Hell, this article even links to some other engineers crapping on this guys work:

"[Harold] White's paper makes heavy use of extra non-physical dimensions," he said, "which, as you know, is incompatible with the current understanding of general relativity. Thus, the work is not usable in our reality. No warp metric was. Hence, why they were all unphysical."

https://thedebrief.org/new-warp-drive-model-requires-no-exotic-matter-scientists-say-we-can-build-it/

The fact that this guy finally got something peer reviewed is nice I guess, but waving your hands vigorously about the Casimir effect isn't exactly groundbreaking.  In any way.  The Casimir effect has been known for 70 years, and experimentally demonstrated for 25.  Doing a numerical simulation of the Casimir effect for various cavity shapes is boring and doesn't even remotely resemble anything useful for warp drives.
 
2021-12-06 8:22:39 PM  
I know Sonny White. He is a very nice guy, but not the best at setting up legit experiments.
 
2021-12-06 8:28:44 PM  

Ambitwistor: Physicists have already demonstrated the Casimir effect. There is nothing new here relevant to "warp drives".


White gets another round of publicity by playing to the dreamers.  The dreamers get to shout, "I told you so!".  Some physicists with pop-science writing gigs will get some inches writing about how it's not actually a warp drive and totally impractical.  The dreamers disregard them and shout, "I told you so!".

The universe continues to prohibit FTL travel unperturbed.
 
2021-12-06 8:41:46 PM  
You cannot place a Planck generator container with another Planck generator, as it will cause a graviton harmonics chain reaction whose end cannot be determined.

Duh
 
2021-12-06 9:07:22 PM  
You want Vulcans?
...Cause this is how you get Vulcans.
 
2021-12-06 9:12:26 PM  
Cool
 
2021-12-06 9:19:54 PM  
This looks kinda like crank work to me, and I see others in thread who have more specific objections mine.
But let's say findings as presented in article were valid.  Between massive energy requirements and current expression of the effect being tied to Casimir effect, upscaling to anything beyond a laboratory curiosity seems ... a bit problematic?
 
2021-12-06 9:36:21 PM  
Even if there were a way to produce enough drive to propel a spacecraft and maintain a warp bubble around it, slowing down is the real problem -- you'd risk bouncing off a planet's atmosphere and pushing it out of orbit.
 
2021-12-06 9:54:43 PM  
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2021-12-06 11:10:54 PM  

RI_Red: Even if there were a way to produce enough drive to propel a spacecraft and maintain a warp bubble around it, slowing down is the real problem -- you'd risk bouncing off a planet's atmosphere and pushing it out of orbit.


Or you know, through something. Imagine driving down the freeway and a rock bounces and hits your windshield while you are driving 85 mph and it chips the glass. It is a small pebble. One that is you were driving 35 mph would hardly even be noticed.

Now imagine by some miracle you acclerate faster than the speed of light. That rock is going to do more than put a little chip in your windshield. What if that rock is the size of a city?
 
2021-12-06 11:13:01 PM  
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Soon...
 
2021-12-06 11:19:05 PM  
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2021-12-06 11:56:49 PM  
Ah yes my little chickadees...

Edgelords as far as the eye can see.

Tiresome.
 
2021-12-07 12:40:56 AM  
He knew he had created a warp bubble because the bubble traveled to the other side of the universe and back so fast he didn't even see it move. Only a warp drive is that fast.
 
2021-12-07 12:54:39 AM  
Extraordinary claims require reproducible experiments.

Or something like that...
 
2021-12-07 1:09:09 AM  

suckfest: You want Vulcans?
...Cause this is how you get Vulcans.


Yes please
 
2021-12-07 1:12:58 AM  
This fortuitous finding, says White, not only confirms the predicted "toroidal" structure and negative energy aspects of a warp bubble, but also resulted in potential pathways he and other researchers can follow when trying to design, and one day actually construct, a real-world warp-capable spacecraft.

I may need some correction here but doesn't peer review just show that the methods are sound and potentially repeatable?  It's the repetition that confirms it.  Although I don't think we have to wait long for that.
 
2021-12-07 1:35:52 AM  

thehellisthis: This fortuitous finding, says White, not only confirms the predicted "toroidal" structure and negative energy aspects of a warp bubble, but also resulted in potential pathways he and other researchers can follow when trying to design, and one day actually construct, a real-world warp-capable spacecraft.

I may need some correction here but doesn't peer review just show that the methods are sound and potentially repeatable?  It's the repetition that confirms it.  Although I don't think we have to wait long for that.


Assuming DARPA lets him publish the full details of the experiment. I doubt they would want all the details released about the Casimir cavities that were being worked on that produced this unexpected effect.
 
2021-12-07 1:49:48 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: thehellisthis: This fortuitous finding, says White, not only confirms the predicted "toroidal" structure and negative energy aspects of a warp bubble, but also resulted in potential pathways he and other researchers can follow when trying to design, and one day actually construct, a real-world warp-capable spacecraft.

I may need some correction here but doesn't peer review just show that the methods are sound and potentially repeatable?  It's the repetition that confirms it.  Although I don't think we have to wait long for that.

Assuming DARPA lets him publish the full details of the experiment. I doubt they would want all the details released about the Casimir cavities that were being worked on that produced this unexpected effect.


I'm surprised they let him publish at all, Seems like it won't be long that we get a questionable announcement of a bai-se missile.
 
2021-12-07 1:57:56 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: Assuming DARPA lets him publish the full details of the experiment. I doubt they would want all the details released about the Casimir cavities that were being worked on that produced this unexpected effect.


They're exploring an effect that has been known for 70 years using well known numerical techniques that were developed almost 20 years ago.

Everything that they've done is pure simulation work, and its pretty derivative.

The physics here isn't new.  Its 70 years old.  The idea of getting negative energy density to do things like wormholes or warp drives isn't new.  People like Hawking and Thorne were talking about it decades ago.  The actual software approach isn't new.  It was done by other research groups 20 years ago.

The work is uninteresting not because they couldn't publish anything, but because its just results that have been well understood with a known kook yelling "WARP DRIVE" as loudly as possible to get press.  They haven't addressed any of the well known problems with doing this kind of thing.
 
2021-12-07 5:27:55 AM  
It's a shame he couldn't find a working mimeograph machine to distribute his newsletter with.
 
2021-12-07 6:07:49 AM  
IIRC, the Casimir effect has no actual connection to what Alcubierre described mathematically. This group was supposedly experimenting with Casimir cavities when they observed the claimed warp signature. And the person who observed this unintended result just happens to be someone diligently working on developing warp technology as a "passion project". The fact this occurred with comparatively low power input is also a bit troubling. The latest iteration of Alcubierre's theory still requires energy input comparable to 24 hours of energy output by the sun. Either the energy requirements to generate Alcubierre's warp field are off by a vast amount, or the observed effect is not a warp field.

Okay. There are several red flags flying, but discoveries have happened this way. Pons and Fleischman also happened this way, so a healthy dose of skepticism is in order. Reproduce the experiment in a different lab, with plenty of additional recording devices, multiple sets of instruments from different manufacturers, AND a herd of qualified witnesses.

Probability 1- White is honestly misinterpreting what he observed

Probability 2- White is deliberately misinterpreting what he observed

Probability 3- The observed effect was transient and not reproducible

Probability 4- The observed effect was actually the result of artificially warping spacetime

Reproducing the experiment with unbiased researchers and better instruments will help determine which of these probabilities is the most likely.  I suspect it will turn out to be Prob 1, but White may have discovered something new while he and his team were (probably) misusing DARPA funding to play with his pet project.
 
2021-12-07 9:02:25 AM  

suckfest: You want Vulcans?
...Cause this is how you get Vulcans.



And the Duras sisters. Oh yeah, the Duras sisters. Can't type. My fingers are so hard.

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AFK

BRB
 
2021-12-07 9:12:38 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: RI_Red: Even if there were a way to produce enough drive to propel a spacecraft and maintain a warp bubble around it, slowing down is the real problem -- you'd risk bouncing off a planet's atmosphere and pushing it out of orbit.

Or you know, through something. Imagine driving down the freeway and a rock bounces and hits your windshield while you are driving 85 mph and it chips the glass. It is a small pebble. One that is you were driving 35 mph would hardly even be noticed.

Now imagine by some miracle you acclerate faster than the speed of light. That rock is going to do more than put a little chip in your windshield. What if that rock is the size of a city?


Or what if you hit some kind of membrane and decelerate too fast?

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2021-12-07 10:20:03 AM  
It's funny to think how smart some scientists are, yet they don't know what the "fi" in "scifi" means.
 
2021-12-07 10:44:16 AM  

RabidRythmDivas: It's funny to think how smart some scientists are, yet they don't know what the "fi" in "scifi" means.


They probably have it mixed up with Hi-Fi. It's an easy mistake to make.
 
2021-12-07 10:44:23 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: [Fark user image image 850x638]

Crusher: "Here's a question you shouldn't be able to answer. What is the nature of the universe?"

Computer: "The universe is a spheroid region seven hundred and five meters in diameter."


God that episode was a mind fark.
 
2021-12-07 10:50:05 AM  

thehellisthis: gozar_the_destroyer: thehellisthis: This fortuitous finding, says White, not only confirms the predicted "toroidal" structure and negative energy aspects of a warp bubble, but also resulted in potential pathways he and other researchers can follow when trying to design, and one day actually construct, a real-world warp-capable spacecraft.

I may need some correction here but doesn't peer review just show that the methods are sound and potentially repeatable?  It's the repetition that confirms it.  Although I don't think we have to wait long for that.

Assuming DARPA lets him publish the full details of the experiment. I doubt they would want all the details released about the Casimir cavities that were being worked on that produced this unexpected effect.

I'm surprised they let him publish at all, Seems like it won't be long that we get a questionable announcement of a bai-se missile.


Or he suddenly disappears. His detractors will say he was silenced by the government. His supporters will say, "See! He created a warp bubble and is now sipping drinks with Riker on Risa."
 
2021-12-07 12:18:10 PM  

Slypork: thehellisthis: gozar_the_destroyer: thehellisthis: This fortuitous finding, says White, not only confirms the predicted "toroidal" structure and negative energy aspects of a warp bubble, but also resulted in potential pathways he and other researchers can follow when trying to design, and one day actually construct, a real-world warp-capable spacecraft.

I may need some correction here but doesn't peer review just show that the methods are sound and potentially repeatable?  It's the repetition that confirms it.  Although I don't think we have to wait long for that.

Assuming DARPA lets him publish the full details of the experiment. I doubt they would want all the details released about the Casimir cavities that were being worked on that produced this unexpected effect.

I'm surprised they let him publish at all, Seems like it won't be long that we get a questionable announcement of a bai-se missile.

Or he suddenly disappears. His detractors will say he was silenced by the government. His supporters will say, "See! He created a warp bubble and is now sipping drinks with Riker on Risa."


Or maybe management decides the crank is more embarrassing than the 'fun' publicity from his low budget side projects and tells him to cut it out or pack up.
 
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