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(CNN)   US Navy, Sunday evening: We're sorry we contaminated the water on Oahu. We're paying for hotel rooms right now while we flush the water systems in affected homes. Oh, when will we actually fix the problem that caused this? Uh...*smoke bomb*   (cnn.com) divider line
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2021-12-06 11:44:29 AM  
Aybe you can put them up on the Marshall islan... Oh. Wait.
 
2021-12-06 11:56:26 AM  
There is no problem to fix if you reclassify it as a non problem. Problem solved. SNAFU.
 
2021-12-06 12:36:35 PM  

Nadie_AZ: There is no problem to fix if you reclassify it as a non problem. Problem solved. SNAFU.


You rang?
 
2021-12-06 12:37:45 PM  
Just add it to the Superfund list and forget about it for 40 years...
 
2021-12-06 12:40:13 PM  
For some reason, I read that as Old Navy and was really confused for a second or two.
 
2021-12-06 12:43:21 PM  
The local water authority has been asking the Navy to do something about this potential problem for at least 10 years. Now it can't be ignored because it's an actual problem.

Storing many millions of gallons of fuel 100 ft above a major drinking water aquifer using WW2 era storage tanks with little concern about leaking.
Well that's how the military rolls.
 
2021-12-06 12:43:57 PM  
Gee, if only there weren't an abundant water source nearby...
 
2021-12-06 12:44:40 PM  
Just before Pearl Harbor Day.
 
2021-12-06 12:45:41 PM  

AlgaeRancher: The local water authority has been asking the Navy to do something about this potential problem for at least 10 years. Now it can't be ignored because it's an actual problem.

Storing many millions of gallons of fuel 100 ft above a major drinking water aquifer using WW2 era storage tanks with little concern about leaking.
Well that's how the military rolls.


Sweet government contract for cleanup being written right now.  Only 10x the actual cost!
 
2021-12-06 12:47:32 PM  

Promo Sapien: Just before Pearl Harbor Day.


Its a conspiracy!
 
2021-12-06 12:49:19 PM  
Will cutting up more plastic six-pack holders help?
 
2021-12-06 12:51:58 PM  
"The results of the Red Hill sample showed petroleum hydrocarbons roughly four to ten times below the Hawaii Department of Health Environmental Action Level (EAL)."

So, there's no problem then, carry on about your day.
 
2021-12-06 12:52:00 PM  
Much like when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, this isn't over
 
2021-12-06 12:54:49 PM  

vudukungfu: Aybe you can put them up on the Marshall islan... Oh. Wait.


Have the Air Force fly them to Terceira isl...nope....
 
2021-12-06 1:00:03 PM  
"The military has offered all service members and civilian employees living near the base the opportunity to get alternative housing"

Civilian, nonemployee? You get temporary access to the YMCA to shower.
 
2021-12-06 1:01:42 PM  
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2021-12-06 1:02:28 PM  
So you're telling me that the water now tastes like the drinking water on an aircraft carrier?


Been there, done that, don't miss it one little bit.
 
2021-12-06 1:06:27 PM  

AlgaeRancher: The local water authority has been asking the Navy to do something about this potential problem for at least 10 years. Now it can't be ignored because it's an actual problem.

Storing many millions of gallons of fuel 100 ft above a major drinking water aquifer using WW2 era storage tanks with little concern about leaking.
Well that's how the military rolls.


Oh, you SWEET summer child.  The US Navy ignores and buries stuff like you wouldn't believe.
 
2021-12-06 1:15:18 PM  
Oh don't worry, the water was already likely contaminated with PFAS from the use of AFF and that will never go away!... I mean you can't contaminate water twice, right?  ....RIGHT?!?!?!
 
2021-12-06 1:34:19 PM  
It's a shame the military is so cash-strapped and doesn't have the resources to do anything about this. When will Congress wake up and properly fund the military already???
 
2021-12-06 1:42:24 PM  
I am increasingly of the opinion that the DoD needs to be divided into two factions: The uniforms that run missions, and Civilians who run infrastructure.

I have been watching for too long O-6s prioritize their meeting rooms and, "favors" to each other over genuine infrastructural O&M. Combined with short tours and the need to, "make their mark" it's very clear to me they have a conflict of interest, and that needs to be removed, permanently.

/We need a complete reorganization of the military structure.
 
2021-12-06 1:47:45 PM  

Nadie_AZ: There is no problem to fix if you reclassify it as a non problem. Problem solved. SNAFU.


They can't tell you what the issue may or may not be, nor the measures that may or may not be taken, because of national security.

If that information were released to the public, a terrorist could exploit that knowledge to, for example, poison the water supply.

Why are y'all siding with terrorists?
 
2021-12-06 1:50:24 PM  
Yeah we're totally sorry, there isn't jack shiat you can do to stop us from f*cking up shiat like this, we're the Navy.

Sorry.
 
2021-12-06 1:51:34 PM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: AlgaeRancher: The local water authority has been asking the Navy to do something about this potential problem for at least 10 years. Now it can't be ignored because it's an actual problem.

Storing many millions of gallons of fuel 100 ft above a major drinking water aquifer using WW2 era storage tanks with little concern about leaking.
Well that's how the military rolls.

Oh, you SWEET summer child.  The US Navy ignores and buries stuff like you wouldn't believe.


Well the buried problem is affecting Navy families directly. They are the loudest voices complaining. There may be some movement and it will probably be expensive.
 
2021-12-06 1:59:00 PM  

AlgaeRancher: Chief Superintendent Lookout: AlgaeRancher: The local water authority has been asking the Navy to do something about this potential problem for at least 10 years. Now it can't be ignored because it's an actual problem.

Storing many millions of gallons of fuel 100 ft above a major drinking water aquifer using WW2 era storage tanks with little concern about leaking.
Well that's how the military rolls.

Oh, you SWEET summer child.  The US Navy ignores and buries stuff like you wouldn't believe.

Well the buried problem is affecting Navy families directly. They are the loudest voices complaining. There may be some movement and it will probably be expensive.


Let me put it in a context you may understand:
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I say this as someone who left Active Duty almost 30 years ago.  And even then, it takes a literal ACT OF CONGRESS to get any part of the military to do 20% of some course of action that doesn't have anything to do with lining someone's pockets.
 
2021-12-06 2:00:15 PM  
Given the birthplace of the US Navy upstate New York and NYC's water supply comes from around there, maybe a double check of those pipes are in order.
 
2021-12-06 2:02:07 PM  
But they keep us safe!

Militarism is figuratively and literally poisonous.
 
2021-12-06 2:11:02 PM  
Maybe they can do that lifehack where you get the excess oil out of soup by putting ice in a ladle and swirl it around. Just get a bunch of choppers with a massive stainless steel bowl, put ice on it and swirl it around the water then skim the oil off and dump it in Manchin's backyard.

See! Problem solved!
 
2021-12-06 2:12:55 PM  
So send this message in the clear: The fresh water condenser is down at midway..... err I mean the fresh water aquifer in Hawaii is down.

I guess we will see if Russia or China takes the bait.
 
2021-12-06 2:12:58 PM  

ajgeek: I am increasingly of the opinion that the DoD needs to be divided into two factions: The uniforms that run missions, and Civilians who run infrastructure.

I have been watching for too long O-6s prioritize their meeting rooms and, "favors" to each other over genuine infrastructural O&M. Combined with short tours and the need to, "make their mark" it's very clear to me they have a conflict of interest, and that needs to be removed, permanently.

/We need a complete reorganization of the military structure.


Civilians are worse. I would offer holding officers to account for their failures. DPW is already civilian controlled and blows at doing its job.

Actually punishing officers instead of just giving them a GOMAR and waiting for them to quit would help.
 
2021-12-06 2:16:42 PM  

asmodeus224: But they keep us safe!

Militarism is figuratively and literally poisonous.


Isn't the US military one of the worst polluters in the world?
 
2021-12-06 2:20:29 PM  

BitwiseShift: Given the birthplace of the US Navy upstate New York and NYC's water supply comes from around there, maybe a double check of those pipes are in order.


You are a bit off in your geography.
 
2021-12-06 2:28:57 PM  

austerity101: asmodeus224: But they keep us safe!

Militarism is figuratively and literally poisonous.

Isn't the US military one of the worst polluters in the world?


https://theconversation.com/us-military-is-a-bigger-polluter-than-as-many-as-140-countries-shrinking-this-war-machine-is-a-must-119269
 
2021-12-06 2:31:19 PM  

austerity101: It's a shame the military is so cash-strapped and doesn't have the resources to do anything about this. When will Congress wake up and properly fund the military already???


Without the military there would be no one left to protect the people the military is poisoning!
 
2021-12-06 2:45:20 PM  
Just the ability of the airforce to spill the amounts of fuel they do and not notice is bizarre. In Albuquerque, under Kirtland Air Force Base there is a fuel spill of around 24 million gallons into the aquifer. The Exxon Valdez was 11 million.
 
2021-12-06 2:48:20 PM  

ajgeek: I am increasingly of the opinion that the DoD needs to be divided into two factions: The uniforms that run missions, and Civilians who run infrastructure.

I have been watching for too long O-6s prioritize their meeting rooms and, "favors" to each other over genuine infrastructural O&M. Combined with short tours and the need to, "make their mark" it's very clear to me they have a conflict of interest, and that needs to be removed, permanently.

/We need a complete reorganization of the military structure.


Yeah, civilians have been so excellent at running the Navy's shipyards.
 
2021-12-06 3:00:09 PM  
Another $100 Billion for the defense budget should help get this resolved.... :-/
 
2021-12-06 3:28:09 PM  

AbortionsForAll: Will cutting up more plastic six-pack holders help?


Not you....
 
2021-12-06 3:41:32 PM  
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2021-12-06 3:42:36 PM  

fortheloveof: ajgeek: I am increasingly of the opinion that the DoD needs to be divided into two factions: The uniforms that run missions, and Civilians who run infrastructure.

I have been watching for too long O-6s prioritize their meeting rooms and, "favors" to each other over genuine infrastructural O&M. Combined with short tours and the need to, "make their mark" it's very clear to me they have a conflict of interest, and that needs to be removed, permanently.

/We need a complete reorganization of the military structure.

Civilians are worse. I would offer holding officers to account for their failures. DPW is already civilian controlled and blows at doing its job.

Actually punishing officers instead of just giving them a GOMAR and waiting for them to quit would help.


Accountability across the board is definitely needed as well; I can't disagree with your assessment. Still, a complete overhaul is absolutely in order.
 
2021-12-06 3:53:32 PM  

BolloxReader: ajgeek: I am increasingly of the opinion that the DoD needs to be divided into two factions: The uniforms that run missions, and Civilians who run infrastructure.

I have been watching for too long O-6s prioritize their meeting rooms and, "favors" to each other over genuine infrastructural O&M. Combined with short tours and the need to, "make their mark" it's very clear to me they have a conflict of interest, and that needs to be removed, permanently.

/We need a complete reorganization of the military structure.

Yeah, civilians have been so excellent at running the Navy's shipyards.


That's my point. Civilians are almost ALWAYS subservient to the Brass in charge of the installations, and each of them have to make their mark. That means there is no one there to make (and keep) long term plans running, much less be in charge of the actual funding of these long term projects.

While yes, I agree that there is a LOT of cleanup to do on the Civilian front (I have been saying for years that the three pillars of the bad Civil Servant are Ignorance, Arrogance, and Tenure), but we can't blame them when they simply don't have the long term authority to enact the changes needed to keep us on the right course.
 
2021-12-06 4:14:06 PM  

HexMadroom: "The results of the Red Hill sample showed petroleum hydrocarbons roughly four to ten times below the Hawaii Department of Health Environmental Action Level (EAL)."

So, there's no problem then, carry on about your day.


So you volunteer to drink mild doses of Roundup & benzene & post video proof?

//The Technical Fact Sheets say you'll be fine.
 
2021-12-06 4:28:25 PM  
They've trashed water around the USA. Cancer rates are pretty much always higher if you live near a base. And thanks to a trillion dollar a year budget, most of us do.
 
2021-12-06 4:29:48 PM  

J_Kushner: HexMadroom: "The results of the Red Hill sample showed petroleum hydrocarbons roughly four to ten times below the Hawaii Department of Health Environmental Action Level (EAL)."

So, there's no problem then, carry on about your day.

So you volunteer to drink mild doses of Roundup & benzene & post video proof?

//The Technical Fact Sheets say you'll be fine.


Benzine ain't like roundup. I'd do a shot of roundup. Benzine would kill you.
 
2021-12-06 4:30:46 PM  
Benzene, don't know how that autocorrected. Wrong
 
2021-12-06 4:50:32 PM  
Without being able to dig far since I am on mobile, the test I found that they are using to reference "safety" is 8260 which is not a drinking water method. From a technical standpoint it is very similar to the 524 drinking water method but the fact that they don't bother testing correctly is not helpful.
 
2021-12-06 4:54:02 PM  
This is the same organization that has the informal motto: "The solution to pollution is dilution." Which is a direct reference to the fact that they just actively dump metric farkloads of waste into the ocean and dgaf.
 
2021-12-06 4:55:18 PM  

christophla: Another $100 Billion for the defense budget should help get this resolved.... :-/


More than enough to keep it away from a court room.
 
2021-12-06 5:01:31 PM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: AlgaeRancher: Chief Superintendent Lookout: AlgaeRancher: The local water authority has been asking the Navy to do something about this potential problem for at least 10 years. Now it can't be ignored because it's an actual problem.

Storing many millions of gallons of fuel 100 ft above a major drinking water aquifer using WW2 era storage tanks with little concern about leaking.
Well that's how the military rolls.

Oh, you SWEET summer child.  The US Navy ignores and buries stuff like you wouldn't believe.

Well the buried problem is affecting Navy families directly. They are the loudest voices complaining. There may be some movement and it will probably be expensive.

Let me put it in a context you may understand:
[th.bing.com image 474x263]

I say this as someone who left Active Duty almost 30 years ago.  And even then, it takes a literal ACT OF CONGRESS to get any part of the military to do 20% of some course of action that doesn't have anything to do with lining someone's pockets.


I left active service two and a half years ago, the fact that LCS has supporters in the Navy Brass is proof that you're right.  Hell they're just now figuring out that people need to sleep to function well.
 
2021-12-06 5:07:51 PM  

clborgia: Without being able to dig far since I am on mobile, the test I found that they are using to reference "safety" is 8260 which is not a drinking water method. From a technical standpoint it is very similar to the 524 drinking water method but the fact that they don't bother testing correctly is not helpful.


Plus, for jet fuel, they would be better off with a semi-volatile method rather than volatile.
 
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