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2021-12-06 11:05:18 AM  
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2021-12-06 11:09:56 AM  
A lot more action and a lot less talk. Still need to pass Freedom to vote act.
 
2021-12-06 11:28:31 AM  
Oh, please.  Joe would hear the three ghosts out and then declare that they go too far and he won't even consider letting them haunt him again unless they significantly dial it back.
 
2021-12-06 11:29:49 AM  
They ain't gonna pass sh*t.
 
2021-12-06 11:35:20 AM  
If Manchin got coal in his stocking, he'd be happy.
 
2021-12-06 11:39:41 AM  
I just imagine McConnell walking past Schumer's office every day, having his cell phone playing

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2021-12-06 11:43:19 AM  
Ah Christmas. That time of year when rich assholes are visited by ghosts in order to scare them into paying their employees better.
 
2021-12-06 12:04:14 PM  
There's a reason Bismarck said laws and sausage were the two things you should never see being made.  All this transparency around the actual processes of lawmaking is making the American public pissed off at how damn much petty bullshiat is really happening.  And has since the beginning.

Not that this is a bad thing, with the people pissed off change might possibly, one day, maybe, in small amounts, perhaps happen.
 
2021-12-06 12:07:00 PM  
I'd rather see Manchin buried in his own coal mine. Or indeed any mine. Howabout a colloidal silver mine?
 
2021-12-06 12:07:56 PM  
BBB: Now known as the Build Coal Back Better law.

Congrats to President Joe Manchin.

No Christmas for anybody else -- nobody cares if you pass it at all now, Schumer.
 
2021-12-06 12:09:39 PM  
How about you focus on the we voting rights act instead. Otherwise you're just a fascist enable asshole !
 
2021-12-06 12:09:54 PM  
Manchin never let the Ghost of Christmas Past bring him back. He liked the 1850s too much.
 
2021-12-06 12:12:40 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: If Manchin got coal in his stocking, he'd be happy.


Manchin already got what he wanted... the infrastructure bill he helped write passed.

As Bernie said months ago, once that passed the progressives lost all leverage they had.
 
2021-12-06 12:13:16 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: If Manchin got coal in his stocking, he'd be happy.


So would he. He'd make a couple of bucks from whoever sold it.
 
2021-12-06 12:13:28 PM  
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2021-12-06 12:13:31 PM  

nmrsnr: I just imagine McConnell walking past Schumer's office every day, having his cell phone playing

[YouTube video: Hamilton You Don't Have the Votes]


that is actually sinemas ringtone.
Isn't she so edgy?
 
2021-12-06 12:14:55 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I'd rather see Manchin buried in his own coal mine. Or indeed any mine. Howabout a colloidal silver mine?


Painted coal black.

/ 🎵COOOOOALFINGER🎵
 
2021-12-06 12:15:00 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I'd rather see Manchin buried in his own coal mine. Or indeed any mine. Howabout a colloidal silver mine?


Manchin deserves all the ire he gets from progressives, but it's also a "be careful what you wish for" situation.

Because it's West Virginia we're talking about here.  Manchin is never going to be replaced by a more progressive Democrat.  If party activists ever did successfully primary Manchin, they would get slaughtered in the general.  The alternative to Manchin is not a more progressive Dem, it's a hard-right Republican.

And at the end of the day, Manchin votes with the Democratic Party nearly all the time, which is a hell of a lot more often than would a Republican in that Senate seat.
 
2021-12-06 12:15:33 PM  
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2021-12-06 12:16:25 PM  

NewportBarGuy: They ain't gonna pass sh*t.


Something something vote in more democrats
 
2021-12-06 12:16:47 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Gyrfalcon: I'd rather see Manchin buried in his own coal mine. Or indeed any mine. Howabout a colloidal silver mine?

Manchin deserves all the ire he gets from progressives, but it's also a "be careful what you wish for" situation.

Because it's West Virginia we're talking about here.  Manchin is never going to be replaced by a more progressive Democrat.  If party activists ever did successfully primary Manchin, they would get slaughtered in the general.  The alternative to Manchin is not a more progressive Dem, it's a hard-right Republican.

And at the end of the day, Manchin votes with the Democratic Party nearly all the time, which is a hell of a lot more often than would a Republican in that Senate seat.


So if we get Pennsylvania next year can we kick this f*ckstick to the curb?

And "progressive" is not a dirty word, you know that, right?
 
2021-12-06 12:18:34 PM  
Anyone care to place a friendly wager on that outcome?
 
2021-12-06 12:18:48 PM  

Doc Daneeka: And at the end of the day, Manchin votes with the Democratic Party nearly all the time, which is a hell of a lot more often than would a Republican in that Senate seat.


Sure, he neuters bills to the point where they do nothing, but then he votes in favor of the useless bills and that should count for something.
 
2021-12-06 12:20:39 PM  

whidbey: So if we get Pennsylvania next year can we kick this f*ckstick to the curb?


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2021-12-06 12:22:25 PM  

eurotrader: A lot more action and a lot less talk. Still need to pass Freedom to vote act.


All this aggravation ain't satisfactioning me.
 
2021-12-06 12:23:01 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Manchin is never going to be replaced by a more progressive Democrat.


God this horseshiat trope is tiresome.

Manchin could be replaced by a halfway good-looking woman with big tits or a local sportsball celebrity. Just find one who doesn't mind listening to a smart, experienced chief-of-staff.

Let's stop pretending that West Virginia's voters are deeply thoughtful policy wonks. They aren't.

No seriously, they really aren't.

The Republicans have cracked this code. It's high time Democrats figure it out, too.
 
2021-12-06 12:23:04 PM  
Jayapal should have held out for the $3.5T version. At least we'd know that they were trying to get something good passed when the senate inevitably killed it.
 
2021-12-06 12:23:07 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: There's a reason Bismarck said laws and sausage were the two things you should never see being made.  All this transparency around the actual processes of lawmaking is making the American public pissed off at how damn much petty bullshiat is really happening.  And has since the beginning.

Not that this is a bad thing, with the people pissed off change might possibly, one day, maybe, in small amounts, perhaps happen.


This isn't sausage-making, though. It's a public America-farking that we're seeing. They have these ideas they sold to the American public and all we're seeing with BIF and BBB is "nope, we're not gonna do that. Or that. Or that. Oh, you bet that shiat ain't happening, either. Oh, and this can stay but we'll means-test it into nonexistence."

Democrats are very publicly screwing over the people who support them and whose votes they need to win. That's not sausage-making, that's our elected officials refusing to act like public servants and not giving a fark if they win or lose the next elections.
 
2021-12-06 12:23:26 PM  
If I woke up tomorrow as Joe Biden, I would have my advisors draw up a list of 10-12 unilateral actions I could take to make peoples lives better, and then I would do my favorite 2-3 of them in a single day, and let republicans know I would keep going until they got their heads out of their asses and f*cking governed
 
2021-12-06 12:23:36 PM  
Replace Chuck Schumer with Tammy Duckworth if you want shiat done.

He'll, replace Chuck Schumer with a brick.
 
2021-12-06 12:24:00 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: There's a reason Bismarck said laws and sausage were the two things you should never see being made.  All this transparency around the actual processes of lawmaking is making the American public pissed off at how damn much petty bullshiat is really happening.  And has since the beginning.

Not that this is a bad thing, with the people pissed off change might possibly, one day, maybe, in small amounts, perhaps happen.


Von Bismarck? Really? The guy more responsible than anyone else for 2 world wars?

/ he's responsible for the German Confederation
 
2021-12-06 12:25:00 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: If I woke up tomorrow as Joe Biden, I would have my advisors draw up a list of 10-12 unilateral actions I could take to make peoples lives better, and then I would do my favorite 2-3 of them in a single day, and let republicans know I would keep going until they got their heads out of their asses and f*cking governed


This assumes that making people's lives better is something that Joe Biden considers to be important.
 
2021-12-06 12:25:30 PM  
Doc Daneeka:

The alternative to Manchin is not a more progressive Dem, it's a hard-right Republican.

So no change?

And at the end of the day, Manchin votes with the Democratic Party nearly all the time on things that he personally approves to reach the floor for a vote.

Added some important context to that statistic.
 
2021-12-06 12:26:18 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Gyrfalcon: I'd rather see Manchin buried in his own coal mine. Or indeed any mine. Howabout a colloidal silver mine?

Manchin deserves all the ire he gets from progressives, but it's also a "be careful what you wish for" situation.

Because it's West Virginia we're talking about here.  Manchin is never going to be replaced by a more progressive Democrat.  If party activists ever did successfully primary Manchin, they would get slaughtered in the general.  The alternative to Manchin is not a more progressive Dem, it's a hard-right Republican.

And at the end of the day, Manchin votes with the Democratic Party nearly all the time, which is a hell of a lot more often than would a Republican in that Senate seat.


With two more Democratic senators, Manchin and Sinema will no longer have anything to do with pachyderms.

/ They will be ir-elephant.
 
2021-12-06 12:26:34 PM  

whidbey: Doc Daneeka: Gyrfalcon: I'd rather see Manchin buried in his own coal mine. Or indeed any mine. Howabout a colloidal silver mine?

Manchin deserves all the ire he gets from progressives, but it's also a "be careful what you wish for" situation.

Because it's West Virginia we're talking about here.  Manchin is never going to be replaced by a more progressive Democrat.  If party activists ever did successfully primary Manchin, they would get slaughtered in the general.  The alternative to Manchin is not a more progressive Dem, it's a hard-right Republican.

And at the end of the day, Manchin votes with the Democratic Party nearly all the time, which is a hell of a lot more often than would a Republican in that Senate seat.

So if we get Pennsylvania next year can we kick this f*ckstick to the curb?

And "progressive" is not a dirty word, you know that, right?


I didn't think I was using it as such, I was merely describing the current state of affairs.  Is there a better word to use than progressive to describe the more left-leaning wing of the Democratic Party?

My point was just, if Manchin were gone, his replacement is not going to be someone more progressive/liberal/left-leaning (use whichever term you prefer), but rather someone much less so.
 
2021-12-06 12:26:51 PM  
Man, this guy is absolute crap about managing expectations. It's self-sabatoging.
 
2021-12-06 12:26:57 PM  

DoctorWhat: Doc Daneeka: Gyrfalcon: I'd rather see Manchin buried in his own coal mine. Or indeed any mine. Howabout a colloidal silver mine?

Manchin deserves all the ire he gets from progressives, but it's also a "be careful what you wish for" situation.

Because it's West Virginia we're talking about here.  Manchin is never going to be replaced by a more progressive Democrat.  If party activists ever did successfully primary Manchin, they would get slaughtered in the general.  The alternative to Manchin is not a more progressive Dem, it's a hard-right Republican.

And at the end of the day, Manchin votes with the Democratic Party nearly all the time, which is a hell of a lot more often than would a Republican in that Senate seat.

With two more Democratic senators, Manchin and Sinema will no longer have anything to do with pachyderms.

/ They will be ir-elephant.


Except we know that's not true and it's just gaslighting to say that it is.
 
2021-12-06 12:27:47 PM  

Doc Daneeka: whidbey: Doc Daneeka: Gyrfalcon: I'd rather see Manchin buried in his own coal mine. Or indeed any mine. Howabout a colloidal silver mine?

Manchin deserves all the ire he gets from progressives, but it's also a "be careful what you wish for" situation.

Because it's West Virginia we're talking about here.  Manchin is never going to be replaced by a more progressive Democrat.  If party activists ever did successfully primary Manchin, they would get slaughtered in the general.  The alternative to Manchin is not a more progressive Dem, it's a hard-right Republican.

And at the end of the day, Manchin votes with the Democratic Party nearly all the time, which is a hell of a lot more often than would a Republican in that Senate seat.

So if we get Pennsylvania next year can we kick this f*ckstick to the curb?

And "progressive" is not a dirty word, you know that, right?

I didn't think I was using it as such, I was merely describing the current state of affairs.  Is there a better word to use than progressive to describe the more left-leaning wing of the Democratic Party?

My point was just, if Manchin were gone, his replacement is not going to be someone more progressive/liberal/left-leaning (use whichever term you prefer), but rather someone much less so.


Because why do you think only "progressives" hate this f*ckstick?  Everyone who votes Democrat should be showing their disappointment.
 
2021-12-06 12:27:55 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: If I woke up tomorrow as Joe Biden, I would have my advisors draw up a list of 10-12 unilateral actions I could take to make peoples lives better, and then I would do my favorite 2-3 of them in a single day, and let republicans know I would keep going until they got their heads out of their asses and f*cking governed


Holy fark, THIS!
 
2021-12-06 12:28:15 PM  
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2021-12-06 12:31:43 PM  
Here's a fun math problem. Multiply the number of States Biden won in 2020 and multiply that by 2. If that number is under 50 than you need people like Joe Manchin if it's not you might be able to ditch him.
 
2021-12-06 12:32:14 PM  

acouvis: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: If Manchin got coal in his stocking, he'd be happy.

Manchin already got what he wanted... the infrastructure bill he helped write passed.

As Bernie said months ago, once that passed the progressives lost all leverage they had.


It was the conservatives who split the bill into two parts--one with the stuff they wanted, and one with the stuff they didn't.

Progressives saw right through this, and brokered an agreement that both bills would have to pass. As leverage, they would not vote to pass the corporatist bill until the bill that actually helped people more were to pass.

And then Congress steamrolled them and passed it anyway.

If the Congress has trouble passing this bill, they have only themselves to blame.
 
2021-12-06 12:32:28 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Hyperbolic Hyperbole: If I woke up tomorrow as Joe Biden, I would have my advisors draw up a list of 10-12 unilateral actions I could take to make peoples lives better, and then I would do my favorite 2-3 of them in a single day, and let republicans know I would keep going until they got their heads out of their asses and f*cking governed

This assumes that making people's lives better is something that Joe Biden considers to be important.


He's pivoted harder to "Americans want to go back to 2015 politics so let's give them that" than expected, not quite appreciating that the state of American politics in 2015 directly led to the half a decade of sh*t show that followed.

Lot of folks pretend that in 2016 someone threw a switch that put us on the wrong track, but all of this has been a single, unbroken line.
 
2021-12-06 12:33:38 PM  

MrFrode: Here's a fun math problem. Multiply the number of States Biden won in 2020 and multiply that by 2. If that number is under 50 than you need people like Joe Manchin if it's not you might be able to ditch him.


What we need Manchin for is to pass legislation. If he's going to stand in the way of his own party then he's not much better to us than Republicans.

Which is not the same thing as arguing that we should replace him with a Republican, mind you, so spare us.
 
2021-12-06 12:33:51 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: This assumes that making people's lives better is something that Joe Biden considers to be important.


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Please emigrate. You'd be happier anywhere else and we'd be happier never to have to read your deep thoughts ever again.
 
2021-12-06 12:35:30 PM  
This is more of a Krampus-shaped problem: stuff him in a sack and beat him with a stick.
 
2021-12-06 12:35:48 PM  

iheartscotch: Benevolent Misanthrope: There's a reason Bismarck said laws and sausage were the two things you should never see being made.  All this transparency around the actual processes of lawmaking is making the American public pissed off at how damn much petty bullshiat is really happening.  And has since the beginning.

Not that this is a bad thing, with the people pissed off change might possibly, one day, maybe, in small amounts, perhaps happen.

Von Bismarck? Really? The guy more responsible than anyone else for 2 world wars?

/ he's responsible for the German Confederation


Yes, he was a shiatheel.  But he wasn't wrong on this.
 
2021-12-06 12:35:57 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Gyrfalcon: I'd rather see Manchin buried in his own coal mine. Or indeed any mine. Howabout a colloidal silver mine?

Manchin deserves all the ire he gets from progressives, but it's also a "be careful what you wish for" situation.

Because it's West Virginia we're talking about here.  Manchin is never going to be replaced by a more progressive Democrat.  If party activists ever did successfully primary Manchin, they would get slaughtered in the general.  The alternative to Manchin is not a more progressive Dem, it's a hard-right Republican.

And at the end of the day, Manchin votes with the Democratic Party nearly all the time, which is a hell of a lot more often than would a Republican in that Senate seat.


We need to put tough fighters in the senate races next year. See what we can do to diminish the power of Manchin and Sinema. Progressives need to still fight like hell for the winner even if their candidate loses and Moderates need to not act like assholes if they win the primary. (And leadership needs to just let it play out even if someone says something mean about them)
 
2021-12-06 12:36:44 PM  

whidbey: Doc Daneeka: whidbey: Doc Daneeka: Gyrfalcon: I'd rather see Manchin buried in his own coal mine. Or indeed any mine. Howabout a colloidal silver mine?

Manchin deserves all the ire he gets from progressives, but it's also a "be careful what you wish for" situation.

Because it's West Virginia we're talking about here.  Manchin is never going to be replaced by a more progressive Democrat.  If party activists ever did successfully primary Manchin, they would get slaughtered in the general.  The alternative to Manchin is not a more progressive Dem, it's a hard-right Republican.

And at the end of the day, Manchin votes with the Democratic Party nearly all the time, which is a hell of a lot more often than would a Republican in that Senate seat.

So if we get Pennsylvania next year can we kick this f*ckstick to the curb?

And "progressive" is not a dirty word, you know that, right?

I didn't think I was using it as such, I was merely describing the current state of affairs.  Is there a better word to use than progressive to describe the more left-leaning wing of the Democratic Party?

My point was just, if Manchin were gone, his replacement is not going to be someone more progressive/liberal/left-leaning (use whichever term you prefer), but rather someone much less so.

Because why do you think only "progressives" hate this f*ckstick?  Everyone who votes Democrat should be showing their disappointment.


In fantasyland, sure. But there are a lot of old white guys who vote Democrat who are not at all progressive. Why do you think Biden got so many more votes than Bernie? Because a lot of registered Dems are moderate or centrists or however you want to describe them.
 
2021-12-06 12:38:18 PM  
Several things from my biased opinion:

1. Both parties actually want this
2. Both parties need to complete the kabuki dance for their constituents before actually getting this done
3. After it goes through with only Democratic support, every politician will claim ownership of each popular item

I know this sounds optimistic, but when even Wall Street is in favor of it, it gets done.
 
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