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(Politico)   Lame-duck Virginia governor orders Robert E Lee statue's pedestal to also be removed before Youngkin can turn it into some bizarre shrine to martyrdom and/or white supremacy   (politico.com) divider line
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2021-12-06 9:37:50 AM  
Careful, they get awfully whiney when the left shows any backbone.

//He should mandate CRT too, just to fark with him.
 
2021-12-06 9:50:26 AM  
There are still plenty of confederate statues in small town rural Virginia.  We go through Orange every few weeks and when we come up the hill into town me or my wife always say "Yup, he's still there".  Here he is, he was there Thanksgiving week.
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2021-12-06 9:58:12 AM  

EvilEgg: Careful, they get awfully whiney when the left shows any backbone.

//He should mandate CRT too, just to fark with him.


I think it would be HILARIOUS if he mandated a grad-level law course be taught to 4th graders.
 
2021-12-06 10:00:13 AM  
Good.
 
2021-12-06 10:29:18 AM  
I wouldn't have voted for Youngkin (not a Virginia resident) but, as the article points out, he never said he wanted the thing kept around.  A spokesman commented on it.
 
2021-12-06 10:30:36 AM  

offacue: There are still plenty of confederate statues in small town rural Virginia.  We go through Orange every few weeks and when we come up the hill into town me or my wife always say "Yup, he's still there".  Here he is, he was there Thanksgiving week.
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Meanwhile, in Texas....
Or, as you idiot mouth breathers call it, Texass..
 
2021-12-06 10:32:39 AM  
The confederates really played these monuments poorly. Thinking they were installing permanent monuments to their racist savagery, it turns out they were just setting themselves up to being humiliated in defeat over and over again long after their inbred forebears experienced the same.
 
2021-12-06 10:33:54 AM  
At least it's not Texass.
 
2021-12-06 10:34:34 AM  

Rattlesnake Rattles Me: At least it's not Texass.


Called it.
 
2021-12-06 10:35:48 AM  
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2021-12-06 10:35:56 AM  
Any public commemoration of the Confederacy should require payment of reparations to descendants of the enslaved.
 
d23 [OhFark]
2021-12-06 10:38:40 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: The confederates really played these monuments poorly. Thinking they were installing permanent monuments to their racist savagery, it turns out they were just setting themselves up to being humiliated in defeat over and over again long after their inbred forebears experienced the same.


The confederates didn't install the statues.  They are a phenomenon starting around the turn of the 1900s and they are meant specifically to be assholes to blacks and put them in their place.  They are a Jim Crow phenomenon, not a civil war era thing.

That's why some people who know history find them so distasteful.
 
2021-12-06 10:40:13 AM  
I concur with this gentleman.

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2021-12-06 10:41:45 AM  

d23: HotWingConspiracy: The confederates really played these monuments poorly. Thinking they were installing permanent monuments to their racist savagery, it turns out they were just setting themselves up to being humiliated in defeat over and over again long after their inbred forebears experienced the same.

The confederates didn't install the statues.  They are a phenomenon starting around the turn of the 1900s and they are meant specifically to be assholes to blacks and put them in their place.  They are a Jim Crow phenomenon, not a civil war era thing.

That's why some people who know history find them so distasteful.


But those people consider themselves confederates. Fly the flags, have a visceral hatred of Americans, etc.
 
2021-12-06 10:43:52 AM  
Finally a good spot for that  nondenominational ten commandments shrine.
 
d23 [OhFark]
2021-12-06 10:43:59 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: But those people consider themselves confederates. Fly the flags, have a visceral hatred of Americans, etc.


Yes.. true enough.
 
2021-12-06 10:44:41 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: d23: HotWingConspiracy: The confederates really played these monuments poorly. Thinking they were installing permanent monuments to their racist savagery, it turns out they were just setting themselves up to being humiliated in defeat over and over again long after their inbred forebears experienced the same.

The confederates didn't install the statues.  They are a phenomenon starting around the turn of the 1900s and they are meant specifically to be assholes to blacks and put them in their place.  They are a Jim Crow phenomenon, not a civil war era thing.

That's why some people who know history find them so distasteful.

But those people consider themselves confederates. Fly the flags, have a visceral hatred of Americans, etc.


Reminds me of those who worship the patch of dirt they're living on.
 
2021-12-06 10:46:59 AM  
Good start. Now pull a Louis DeJoy and melt down the statue itself, before Republican Governor-Elect Glenn Youngkin can put it back up and take campaign photos of himself sucking Robert E Lee's dick.
 
2021-12-06 10:49:17 AM  

Maud Dib: Meanwhile, in Texas...


Oh, hey, I forgot to tell you- you're going to be down one local ally. Abbott and Patrick can have this state, I'm moving my family to Virginia.

LGBTQ+ daughter just isn't safe here, and the power grid collapsing was the final straw.

Good luck to you, keep fighting the good fight. I'mma miss toobing the Guad, but I'm out.
 
2021-12-06 10:50:18 AM  

Maud Dib: [Fark user image image 425x354]


Hey! I resemble that drawing! Resent, I mean!
 
2021-12-06 10:51:06 AM  

Gonz: Maud Dib: Meanwhile, in Texas...

Oh, hey, I forgot to tell you- you're going to be down one local ally. Abbott and Patrick can have this state, I'm moving my family to Virginia.

LGBTQ+ daughter just isn't safe here, and the power grid collapsing was the final straw.

Good luck to you, keep fighting the good fight. I'mma miss toobing the Guad, but I'm out.


Virginia is about to have a conservative governor, so you may want to caution yourself on moving there, unfortunately.
 
2021-12-06 10:51:23 AM  
They should have put Oderus from GWAR on it. There was a petition and everything.
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2021-12-06 10:51:30 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: d23: HotWingConspiracy: The confederates really played these monuments poorly. Thinking they were installing permanent monuments to their racist savagery, it turns out they were just setting themselves up to being humiliated in defeat over and over again long after their inbred forebears experienced the same.

The confederates didn't install the statues.  They are a phenomenon starting around the turn of the 1900s and they are meant specifically to be assholes to blacks and put them in their place.  They are a Jim Crow phenomenon, not a civil war era thing.

That's why some people who know history find them so distasteful.

But those people consider themselves confederates. Fly the flags, have a visceral hatred of Americans, etc.


A lot of Nazis are the same way, Adolf-come-latelies, as it were.
 
2021-12-06 10:53:11 AM  

Gaythiest Elitist: I concur with this gentleman.

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Hot damn, what a great picture
 
2021-12-06 10:56:45 AM  

offacue: There are still plenty of confederate statues in small town rural Virginia.  We go through Orange every few weeks and when we come up the hill into town me or my wife always say "Yup, he's still there".  Here he is, he was there Thanksgiving week.
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The one here in Winchester on the old town walking mall has been the subject of a lot of questions about if it can even be removed. The land it sits on in front of the Frederick County court house was deeded to a private organization with the proviso it can't be moved or altered (https://www.winchesterstar.com/winchester_star/virginia-department-of-historic-resources-easement-does-not-protect-confederate-statue/article_79d13f87-0ec4-5dd4-bed6-865561cd88a3.html - an older story but has some background).


My opinion:


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...in proper context and not in a public square for veneration by racist gutter trash.
 
2021-12-06 11:04:13 AM  
But libs are erasing r historee.
 
2021-12-06 11:07:36 AM  

Ktonos: offacue: There are still plenty of confederate statues in small town rural Virginia.  We go through Orange every few weeks and when we come up the hill into town me or my wife always say "Yup, he's still there".  Here he is, he was there Thanksgiving week.
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The one here in Winchester on the old town walking mall has been the subject of a lot of questions about if it can even be removed. The land it sits on in front of the Frederick County court house was deeded to a private organization with the proviso it can't be moved or altered (https://www.winchesterstar.com/winchester_star/virginia-department-of-historic-resources-easement-does-not-protect-confederate-statue/article_79d13f87-0ec4-5dd4-bed6-865561cd88a3.html - an older story but has some background).


My opinion:


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...in proper context and not in a public square for veneration by racist gutter trash.


Nah.  It belongs in a different building in Indiana Jones' movie canon:

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2021-12-06 11:13:16 AM  
Glenn Youngkin is no Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis. He tweeted on Friday that he got his booster and encouraged everyone to get vaccinated. He trusts the science unlike Amanda Chase.
 
2021-12-06 11:14:52 AM  

d23: HotWingConspiracy: The confederates really played these monuments poorly. Thinking they were installing permanent monuments to their racist savagery, it turns out they were just setting themselves up to being humiliated in defeat over and over again long after their inbred forebears experienced the same.

The confederates didn't install the statues.  They are a phenomenon starting around the turn of the 1900s and they are meant specifically to be assholes to blacks and put them in their place.  They are a Jim Crow phenomenon, not a civil war era thing.

That's why some people who know history find them so distasteful.


Those people were still Confederates. If not legally then definitely in spirit. They still are.
 
2021-12-06 11:16:51 AM  

Ktonos: offacue: There are still plenty of confederate statues in small town rural Virginia.  We go through Orange every few weeks and when we come up the hill into town me or my wife always say "Yup, he's still there".  Here he is, he was there Thanksgiving week.
[Fark user image 850x550]

The one here in Winchester on the old town walking mall has been the subject of a lot of questions about if it can even be removed. The land it sits on in front of the Frederick County court house was deeded to a private organization with the proviso it can't be moved or altered (https://www.winchesterstar.com/winchester_star/virginia-department-of-historic-resources-easement-does-not-protect-confederate-statue/article_79d13f87-0ec4-5dd4-bed6-865561cd88a3.html - an older story but has some background).


My opinion:


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...in proper context and not in a public square for veneration by racist gutter trash.


I know it's not a simple process, but it seems to me that these are types of the situations for which claiming eminent domain looks like a good idea.
 
2021-12-06 11:21:59 AM  
Funny coincidence: Mr. Thrust is teaching Sherman's "March to the Sea" today!
 
2021-12-06 11:22:52 AM  

Gonz: Maud Dib: Meanwhile, in Texas...

Oh, hey, I forgot to tell you- you're going to be down one local ally. Abbott and Patrick can have this state, I'm moving my family to Virginia.

LGBTQ+ daughter just isn't safe here, and the power grid collapsing was the final straw.

Good luck to you, keep fighting the good fight. I'mma miss toobing the Guad, but I'm out.


I have a liberal fem child as well.
She packs a switchblade and can shoot a 9mm admirably, so we will man the bulwarks.
 
2021-12-06 11:24:41 AM  

Maud Dib: Gonz: Maud Dib: Meanwhile, in Texas...

Oh, hey, I forgot to tell you- you're going to be down one local ally. Abbott and Patrick can have this state, I'm moving my family to Virginia.

LGBTQ+ daughter just isn't safe here, and the power grid collapsing was the final straw.

Good luck to you, keep fighting the good fight. I'mma miss toobing the Guad, but I'm out.

I have a liberal fem child as well.
She packs a switchblade and can shoot a 9mm admirably, so we will man the bulwarks.


And we prefer the beautiful San Marcos River to the hordes on the Guad.
 
2021-12-06 11:25:58 AM  

Gonz: Maud Dib: Meanwhile, in Texas...

Oh, hey, I forgot to tell you- you're going to be down one local ally. Abbott and Patrick can have this state, I'm moving my family to Virginia.

LGBTQ+ daughter just isn't safe here, and the power grid collapsing was the final straw.

Good luck to you, keep fighting the good fight. I'mma miss toobing the Guad, but I'm out.


Thank you for doing what's right for your child.  I want to wrap you in a bear hug.
 
2021-12-06 11:27:25 AM  
Another reason why McAuliffe should still be governor.

OH BUT THEY RAN A MALE HILLERY DURR HURR.
 
2021-12-06 11:27:45 AM  

Rattlesnake Rattles Me: Gonz: Maud Dib: Meanwhile, in Texas...

Oh, hey, I forgot to tell you- you're going to be down one local ally. Abbott and Patrick can have this state, I'm moving my family to Virginia.

LGBTQ+ daughter just isn't safe here, and the power grid collapsing was the final straw.

Good luck to you, keep fighting the good fight. I'mma miss toobing the Guad, but I'm out.

Virginia is about to have a conservative governor, so you may want to caution yourself on moving there, unfortunately.


I believe the VA senate is still blue.  And depending on where in VA they move, they will be OK.  Let's hope it's NoVA.
 
2021-12-06 11:28:00 AM  

d23: HotWingConspiracy: The confederates really played these monuments poorly. Thinking they were installing permanent monuments to their racist savagery, it turns out they were just setting themselves up to being humiliated in defeat over and over again long after their inbred forebears experienced the same.

The confederates didn't install the statues.  They are a phenomenon starting around the turn of the 1900s and they are meant specifically to be assholes to blacks and put them in their place.  They are a Jim Crow phenomenon, not a civil war era thing.

That's why some people who know history find them so distasteful.


Now now, let's be fair. You are correct about SOME of them being erected during Jim Crow to scare black people into submission, BUT, some other Confederate statues went up during the CIVIL RIGHTS Movement to scare black people into submission. It's important to tell the full story!
 
2021-12-06 11:33:40 AM  

d23: HotWingConspiracy: The confederates really played these monuments poorly. Thinking they were installing permanent monuments to their racist savagery, it turns out they were just setting themselves up to being humiliated in defeat over and over again long after their inbred forebears experienced the same.

The confederates didn't install the statues.  They are a phenomenon starting around the turn of the 1900s and they are meant specifically to be assholes to blacks and put them in their place.  They are a Jim Crow phenomenon, not a civil war era thing.

That's why some people who know history find them so distasteful.


Robert E. Lee specifically requested that they NOT put up statues to him.

"As regards the erection of such a monument as is contemplated, my conviction is, that however grateful it would be to the feelings of the South, the attempt ... would have the effect of ... continuing, if not adding to, the difficulties under which the Southern people labour."

"I think it wiser not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered,"
 
2021-12-06 11:35:04 AM  

Rattlesnake Rattles Me: But libs are erasing r historee.


And also the real racists of the South were all Democrats.
[Delivered without an ounce of self awareness]
 
2021-12-06 11:48:45 AM  
Gee, it's almost as if removing the statues didn't mean a goddamn thing.
 
2021-12-06 11:49:09 AM  
I feel slightly torn, it's a beautiful piece of architecture
That was placed for shiatty reasons

Jack hammer the farking thing
 
2021-12-06 11:49:13 AM  

Weird Hal: Any public commemoration of the Confederacy should require payment of reparations to descendants of the enslaved.


Even the ones at Gettysburg?  There's like, no hyperbole, thousands of plaques, statues and monuments their   for the Confederacy.  Including a giant ass statue of Robert E. Lee.  And they're all on Union soil.
 
2021-12-06 11:56:31 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Gee, it's almost as if removing the statues didn't mean a goddamn thing.


Nope.  They dared to run another Hillary.

Against their express wishes.
 
2021-12-06 12:01:50 PM  
Damn, Politico, who'd you hire to write that? Don Jr?
 
2021-12-06 12:02:10 PM  

Geotpf: Ktonos: offacue: There are still plenty of confederate statues in small town rural Virginia.  We go through Orange every few weeks and when we come up the hill into town me or my wife always say "Yup, he's still there".  Here he is, he was there Thanksgiving week.
[Fark user image 850x550]

The one here in Winchester on the old town walking mall has been the subject of a lot of questions about if it can even be removed. The land it sits on in front of the Frederick County court house was deeded to a private organization with the proviso it can't be moved or altered (https://www.winchesterstar.com/winchester_star/virginia-department-of-historic-resources-easement-does-not-protect-confederate-statue/article_79d13f87-0ec4-5dd4-bed6-865561cd88a3.html - an older story but has some background).


My opinion:


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...in proper context and not in a public square for veneration by racist gutter trash.

Nah.  It belongs in a different building in Indiana Jones' movie canon:

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2021-12-06 12:05:08 PM  

Tad_Waxpole: Weird Hal: Any public commemoration of the Confederacy should require payment of reparations to descendants of the enslaved.

Even the ones at Gettysburg?  There's like, no hyperbole, thousands of plaques, statues and monuments their   for the Confederacy.  Including a giant ass statue of Robert E. Lee.  And they're all on Union soil.


Gettysburg is almost a museum. That's where stuff like that belongs. Where the Confederacy was, you know, beaten like a gong.
 
2021-12-06 12:08:52 PM  

Gonz: Maud Dib: Meanwhile, in Texas...

Oh, hey, I forgot to tell you- you're going to be down one local ally. Abbott and Patrick can have this state, I'm moving my family to Virginia.

LGBTQ+ daughter just isn't safe here, and the power grid collapsing was the final straw.

Good luck to you, keep fighting the good fight. I'mma miss toobing the Guad, but I'm out.


Welcome to Virginia - we'll welcome you with open arms (well, a big chunk of us will). Dunno where in the Commonwealth you're going, but most of the bigger cities are blue or blue-tinted (mine is a sky-blue dot in a claret red county). You should check out Prince William County, if anything because their delegate, Danica Roem, is awesome personified. She defeated the self-proclaimed "State Homphobe" in a pretty conservative district to become the first trans woman to win elected office. And even though we got a total drubbing this last election, Roem was handily re-elected. Blue Virginia got yer back :-)
 
2021-12-06 12:16:58 PM  

Ktonos: offacue: There are still plenty of confederate statues in small town rural Virginia.  We go through Orange every few weeks and when we come up the hill into town me or my wife always say "Yup, he's still there".  Here he is, he was there Thanksgiving week.
[Fark user image 850x550]

The one here in Winchester on the old town walking mall has been the subject of a lot of questions about if it can even be removed. The land it sits on in front of the Frederick County court house was deeded to a private organization with the proviso it can't be moved or altered (https://www.winchesterstar.com/winchester_star/virginia-department-of-historic-resources-easement-does-not-protect-confederate-statue/article_79d13f87-0ec4-5dd4-bed6-865561cd88a3.html - an older story but has some background).


My opinion:


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...in proper context and not in a public square for veneration by racist gutter trash.


For every action, there's a reaction.

"Fe2O 3 (s) + 2 Al (s) ® Al2O 3 (s) + 2 Fe (s)"for instance would be the proper reaction for an issue like this.

http://www1.chem.umn.edu/services/lecturedemo/info/Thermite.html

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2021-12-06 1:12:18 PM  

Gonz: Maud Dib: Meanwhile, in Texas...

Oh, hey, I forgot to tell you- you're going to be down one local ally. Abbott and Patrick can have this state, I'm moving my family to Virginia.

LGBTQ+ daughter just isn't safe here, and the power grid collapsing was the final straw.

Good luck to you, keep fighting the good fight. I'mma miss toobing the Guad, but I'm out.


Careful where you go in Virginia.  Rural horse/winery country is as red as it gets.  Farmers for Trump signs and Youngkin signs abound.  Yeah, I like being able to shoot in my backyard but I keep my mouth shut otherwise.
 
2021-12-06 1:35:30 PM  

Rattlesnake Rattles Me: Reminds me of those who worship the patch of dirt they're living on.


I think Native Americans claim to "sacred land" goes beyond "worshipping the patch of dirt they're living on."
 
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