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2021-12-06 11:05:11 AM  
This is probably a stupid question, but can't the FTC step in and block this on monopoly grounds?
 
2021-12-06 11:44:08 AM  

Lsherm: This is probably a stupid question, but can't the FTC step in and block this on monopoly grounds?


I don't know if they have power over family owned businesses.
 
2021-12-06 11:44:34 AM  
So will the new business be Discount Tire Rack?
 
2021-12-06 12:11:08 PM  

Merltech: So will the new business be Discount Tire Rack?


discount rack.  they'll have a pornhub page too.
 
2021-12-06 12:11:53 PM  
Discount Tire and Tire Rack have similar histories. Bruce T. Halle rented an old plumbing supply building in Ann Arbor, Michigan with an inventory of six tires, running the whole place himself. Store by store, Halle grew the business, and now 1,100 Discount Tire stores are open across 37 states in the U.S. Meanwhile, Tire Rack was founded in Indiana in 1979 by Dutch immigrant Peter Veldman. Today, Tire Rack runs 2.7 million square feet of distribution center space.

Probably just a gift that the writer has, weaving those stories in such a manner as to highlight their -- as stated -- remarkable similarities.
 
2021-12-06 12:17:46 PM  

Lsherm: This is probably a stupid question, but can't the FTC step in and block this on monopoly grounds?


Since there are still a couple of hundred tire companies like Mr. Tire and NTW, etc. No.
 
2021-12-06 12:19:19 PM  
I've ordered multiple tire/wheel packages, mainly for winter, from Tire Rack over the past 20 years.  Their service has always been fantastic.  Not a huge Discount fan but they didn't screw up my wife's winter tires this year so I can't complain.
 
2021-12-06 12:20:29 PM  
Tire Rack seems to be a stupid business model.  They sell you tires, but you have to find someplace to install them.  Apparently, it's usually Discount Tire.  I'm sure Discount Tire is tired (har har) of getting nickel and dimed to death as customers bring in the Tire Rack tires for installation only.

Discount Tire probably could have run them out of business if they had a few hundred thousand miles more of road.
 
2021-12-06 12:21:16 PM  
Not sure how I feel about this. Tire Rack usually has everything I need, but every once in a while, Discount Tire will have a better selection of oddball staggered setups.

Tire Rack almost always has a better selection of mid to high-range selections, but if you're looking for something super cheap or super rare, Discount almost always has what you want.

Not a fan of the monopoly aspect of this, though. There are literally one or maybe two other online tire shops, and they're pretty small.
 
2021-12-06 12:23:40 PM  
I just had a set of Blizzaks delivered from Tire Rack a couple weeks ago. They're still sitting in my garage waiting for me to get around to making the appointment to have them installed.

I've been getting tires from Tire Rack since I was in college in the late 90s. Getting a set of tires delivered to your dorm room can be rather odd. It certainly helps when the UPS delivery lady is hot and they like cars.

I've got mixed feelings about Discount Tire.
 
2021-12-06 12:23:44 PM  

hammettman: Tire Rack seems to be a stupid business model.  They sell you tires, but you have to find someplace to install them.  Apparently, it's usually Discount Tire.  I'm sure Discount Tire is tired (har har) of getting nickel and dimed to death as customers bring in the Tire Rack tires for installation only.

Discount Tire probably could have run them out of business if they had a few hundred thousand miles more of road.


And addendum: as someone who busted tires in my youth, it's not rocket science, but there's a big difference in machines and personnel at a quality shop vs. Jimmy at the 76.
 
2021-12-06 12:26:20 PM  

You Are All Sheep: Merltech: So will the new business be Discount Tire Rack?

discount rack.  they'll have a pornhub page too.


Actually I think it's gonna be "tire tire" with the little Caesar's guy as their mascot.
 
2021-12-06 12:28:04 PM  

Lsherm: This is probably a stupid question, but can't the FTC step in and block this on monopoly grounds?


Right... Costco, Les Schwab, Big O, etc. will never stand a chance against such a powerful force.

/Still love Tire Rack, though. Fast, friendly and professional.
 
2021-12-06 12:28:55 PM  

logieal: I just had a set of Blizzaks delivered from Tire Rack a couple weeks ago. They're still sitting in my garage waiting for me to get around to making the appointment to have them installed.

I've been getting tires from Tire Rack since I was in college in the late 90s. Getting a set of tires delivered to your dorm room can be rather odd. It certainly helps when the UPS delivery lady is hot and they like cars.

I've got mixed feelings about Discount Tire.


Same here; I've only ordered one set of tires from Discount (years ago for a Viper with 355 rears that I could not match fronts for at Tire Rack in something you wouldn't be completely terrified to drive on if the pavement was even the slightest bit moist).

I have noticed Tire Rack's selection has gotten a little more sparse over the last couple of years; I chalked it up to Covid related supply chain issues.
 
2021-12-06 12:29:55 PM  

BretMavrik: Lsherm: This is probably a stupid question, but can't the FTC step in and block this on monopoly grounds?

Right... Costco, Les Schwab, Big O, etc. will never stand a chance against such a powerful force.

/Still love Tire Rack, though. Fast, friendly and professional.


I went to Les Schwab once and realized that I was paying 30% more just for someone with a tucked-in shirt to run to my car.

You don't need to run to my car, I see zero value in homespun bullshiat like that.
 
2021-12-06 12:33:16 PM  
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2021-12-06 12:34:54 PM  

EJ25T: logieal: I just had a set of Blizzaks delivered from Tire Rack a couple weeks ago. They're still sitting in my garage waiting for me to get around to making the appointment to have them installed.

I've been getting tires from Tire Rack since I was in college in the late 90s. Getting a set of tires delivered to your dorm room can be rather odd. It certainly helps when the UPS delivery lady is hot and they like cars.

I've got mixed feelings about Discount Tire.

Same here; I've only ordered one set of tires from Discount (years ago for a Viper with 355 rears that I could not match fronts for at Tire Rack in something you wouldn't be completely terrified to drive on if the pavement was even the slightest bit moist).

I have noticed Tire Rack's selection has gotten a little more sparse over the last couple of years; I chalked it up to Covid related supply chain issues.


My dad and I rented a Viper back in like 2004 in Vegas. It was like a '95 or 96. They had disabled the a/c on it to keep it from overheating, so we were the ones overheating. But yeah, just touching the throttle made that car want to come around on dry pavement. Can't imagine in rain.

I was planning on getting a set of rims and tires this spring from them. We'll see what happens now.

Your username - is that in reference to a Subaru engine by chance?
 
hej
2021-12-06 12:43:33 PM  
Zohr FTW
 
2021-12-06 12:44:24 PM  

hammettman: Tire Rack seems to be a stupid business model.  They sell you tires, but you have to find someplace to install them.  Apparently, it's usually Discount Tire.  I'm sure Discount Tire is tired (har har) of getting nickel and dimed to death as customers bring in the Tire Rack tires for installation only.

Discount Tire probably could have run them out of business if they had a few hundred thousand miles more of road.


??

Last time I ordered from Tire Rack I got a winter wheel and tire deal.  They were mounted and balanced and delivered right to my garage door, only thing I had to do was jack up the car, take off the all-seasons, mount the winters, drop the car off the jack, then jack the car back up, swap two of the tires around (because the winters were directional and I hadn't paid attention - got two of them right by dumb luck, two wrong by dumber luck), then drop the car and drive.  Actually just swapped those same winters back on yesterday (got them right this year!).

I do get the issue with getting just tires (or just wheels) though - most shops around here will include mounting and balancing when you purchase from them, but charge a bit more than I like to pay if you bring your own tires in to swap - if you plan it right then I'm sure you could come out ahead, but if the local shop has some closeouts they want to get rid of they'll win every time.
 
2021-12-06 1:06:01 PM  

logieal: EJ25T: logieal: I just had a set of Blizzaks delivered from Tire Rack a couple weeks ago. They're still sitting in my garage waiting for me to get around to making the appointment to have them installed.

I've been getting tires from Tire Rack since I was in college in the late 90s. Getting a set of tires delivered to your dorm room can be rather odd. It certainly helps when the UPS delivery lady is hot and they like cars.

I've got mixed feelings about Discount Tire.

Same here; I've only ordered one set of tires from Discount (years ago for a Viper with 355 rears that I could not match fronts for at Tire Rack in something you wouldn't be completely terrified to drive on if the pavement was even the slightest bit moist).

I have noticed Tire Rack's selection has gotten a little more sparse over the last couple of years; I chalked it up to Covid related supply chain issues.

My dad and I rented a Viper back in like 2004 in Vegas. It was like a '95 or 96. They had disabled the a/c on it to keep it from overheating, so we were the ones overheating. But yeah, just touching the throttle made that car want to come around on dry pavement. Can't imagine in rain.

I was planning on getting a set of rims and tires this spring from them. We'll see what happens now.

Your username - is that in reference to a Subaru engine by chance?


Indeed. When I finally signed up for Fark about 15 years ago after lurking for 5 years, I had an STI (the car, not the burning sensation). I recall that EJ257 was already used or wasn't valid. I just turned the 7 into a "T".

You are literally the first person who has ever asked me that.

/shiat, I'm old now.
 
2021-12-06 1:15:26 PM  

EJ25T: logieal: EJ25T: logieal: I just had a set of Blizzaks delivered from Tire Rack a couple weeks ago. They're still sitting in my garage waiting for me to get around to making the appointment to have them installed.

I've been getting tires from Tire Rack since I was in college in the late 90s. Getting a set of tires delivered to your dorm room can be rather odd. It certainly helps when the UPS delivery lady is hot and they like cars.

I've got mixed feelings about Discount Tire.

Same here; I've only ordered one set of tires from Discount (years ago for a Viper with 355 rears that I could not match fronts for at Tire Rack in something you wouldn't be completely terrified to drive on if the pavement was even the slightest bit moist).

I have noticed Tire Rack's selection has gotten a little more sparse over the last couple of years; I chalked it up to Covid related supply chain issues.

My dad and I rented a Viper back in like 2004 in Vegas. It was like a '95 or 96. They had disabled the a/c on it to keep it from overheating, so we were the ones overheating. But yeah, just touching the throttle made that car want to come around on dry pavement. Can't imagine in rain.

I was planning on getting a set of rims and tires this spring from them. We'll see what happens now.

Your username - is that in reference to a Subaru engine by chance?

Indeed. When I finally signed up for Fark about 15 years ago after lurking for 5 years, I had an STI (the car, not the burning sensation). I recall that EJ257 was already used or wasn't valid. I just turned the 7 into a "T".

You are literally the first person who has ever asked me that.

/shiat, I'm old now.


Yeah, I'm old too, now.

I'm currently running an '05 Outback XT with an EJ255. The predecessor to the 257. I'm well on my way to turning it into what would could be called an XTi. Money pit and all that...
 
2021-12-06 1:18:02 PM  

logieal: EJ25T: logieal: I just had a set of Blizzaks delivered from Tire Rack a couple weeks ago. They're still sitting in my garage waiting for me to get around to making the appointment to have them installed.

I've been getting tires from Tire Rack since I was in college in the late 90s. Getting a set of tires delivered to your dorm room can be rather odd. It certainly helps when the UPS delivery lady is hot and they like cars.

I've got mixed feelings about Discount Tire.

Same here; I've only ordered one set of tires from Discount (years ago for a Viper with 355 rears that I could not match fronts for at Tire Rack in something you wouldn't be completely terrified to drive on if the pavement was even the slightest bit moist).

I have noticed Tire Rack's selection has gotten a little more sparse over the last couple of years; I chalked it up to Covid related supply chain issues.

My dad and I rented a Viper back in like 2004 in Vegas. It was like a '95 or 96. They had disabled the a/c on it to keep it from overheating, so we were the ones overheating. But yeah, just touching the throttle made that car want to come around on dry pavement. Can't imagine in rain.

I was planning on getting a set of rims and tires this spring from them. We'll see what happens now.

Your username - is that in reference to a Subaru engine by chance?


Also, '95s and '96s were different generations of the Viper, but neither had traction control; I'm guessing that why you felt like your lives were in danger when you goosed the throttle. The '96-'02 was a MUCH better car, but would still be more than happy to kill you if you if you gave it the chance.

/There's a reason I bought an STI after the Viper (AWD, controllable center diff)
//I should get another Viper, though
///Can afford plenty of life insurance now
 
2021-12-06 1:24:58 PM  

Merltech: So will the new business be Discount Tire Rack?


I bet they'll just keep the brand name for Discount Tire.

The other brand will be retired.
 
2021-12-06 1:29:06 PM  

logieal: EJ25T: logieal: EJ25T: logieal: I just had a set of Blizzaks delivered from Tire Rack a couple weeks ago. They're still sitting in my garage waiting for me to get around to making the appointment to have them installed.

I've been getting tires from Tire Rack since I was in college in the late 90s. Getting a set of tires delivered to your dorm room can be rather odd. It certainly helps when the UPS delivery lady is hot and they like cars.

I've got mixed feelings about Discount Tire.

Same here; I've only ordered one set of tires from Discount (years ago for a Viper with 355 rears that I could not match fronts for at Tire Rack in something you wouldn't be completely terrified to drive on if the pavement was even the slightest bit moist).

I have noticed Tire Rack's selection has gotten a little more sparse over the last couple of years; I chalked it up to Covid related supply chain issues.

My dad and I rented a Viper back in like 2004 in Vegas. It was like a '95 or 96. They had disabled the a/c on it to keep it from overheating, so we were the ones overheating. But yeah, just touching the throttle made that car want to come around on dry pavement. Can't imagine in rain.

I was planning on getting a set of rims and tires this spring from them. We'll see what happens now.

Your username - is that in reference to a Subaru engine by chance?

Indeed. When I finally signed up for Fark about 15 years ago after lurking for 5 years, I had an STI (the car, not the burning sensation). I recall that EJ257 was already used or wasn't valid. I just turned the 7 into a "T".

You are literally the first person who has ever asked me that.

/shiat, I'm old now.

Yeah, I'm old too, now.

I'm currently running an '05 Outback XT with an EJ255. The predecessor to the 257. I'm well on my way to turning it into what would could be called an XTi. Money pit and all that...


Maintenance and timing belts; you'll be fine.
 
2021-12-06 1:31:40 PM  
Discount Tire's ownership is also very politically conservative. They made their Phoenix area stores place "re-elect Sheriff Joe Arpaio" signs in their windows a few years back.
 
2021-12-06 1:32:52 PM  
Even with a rubber shortage, these monopolists will find a way to fark us.
 
2021-12-06 1:38:00 PM  

Phil McKraken: Even with a rubber shortage, these monopolists will find a way to fark us.


But it feels better that way, right?
 
2021-12-06 1:39:48 PM  
I sliced open a tire on my M3 a couple of weeks ago and after calling about 6 places ended up at the dealership because they were the only place that had one in stock. Everything in that size was backordered on the major internet sites.

Now I'm slightly paranoid about it and may just order rear tires so I have them. Damn things are not cheap.

/first world problems
//csb
 
2021-12-06 1:40:03 PM  

EJ25T: Maintenance and timing belts; you'll be fine.


It's that Maintenance thing that'll kill ya. Just spent this past weekend tearing down the intake to get the fuel line that runs between the intake risers to fix a fuel leak.
 
2021-12-06 1:40:27 PM  
Ordered the best set of Continental tires and after market rims I've ever had from Tire Rack, maybe 10 years ago. That set of winter tires plowed me through to Thunder Bay when even semi's were parked. RIP indeed (Yes, I understand the he company didn't do the heavy lifting, but everything was painless).
 
2021-12-06 1:45:22 PM  

hammettman: Tire Rack seems to be a stupid business model.  They sell you tires, but you have to find someplace to install them.


I find their service great.  Order from TR, drop ship to my local mechanic's shop. Save money on the tires and the mechanic gets paid to mount them.

It's not that hard to find a place that will mount tires that you purchased elsewhere.
 
2021-12-06 1:59:29 PM  

You Are All Sheep: Merltech: So will the new business be Discount Tire Rack?

discount rack.  they'll have a pornhub page too.


Doh, I was so close
 
2021-12-06 2:01:36 PM  

logieal: EJ25T: Maintenance and timing belts; you'll be fine.

It's that Maintenance thing that'll kill ya. Just spent this past weekend tearing down the intake to get the fuel line that runs between the intake risers to fix a fuel leak.


It's definitely a pain (255 and 257s were basically the same except for the Turbo/NA difference and heads), but it's worth it. I swapped out the whole fuel system when I got a big turbo kit for the STI (this was like 15 years ago and I still remember the job).

Just look at them as much easier to work on Audis of the same caliber, and you'll get through it. Really miss that car (Hawkeye '06 STI). At least you don't have to remove the front bumper to change a headlamp bulb.

/Miss that car and outrunning lifted trucks in the snow.
 
zez
2021-12-06 2:05:19 PM  
How do you start a tire business with six tires? Was he hoping to buy two more after he sold the first four or were they 6 totally different tires in case someone had a flat?
 
2021-12-06 2:16:35 PM  

hammettman: Tire Rack seems to be a stupid business model.  They sell you tires, but you have to find someplace to install them.  Apparently, it's usually Discount Tire.  I'm sure Discount Tire is tired (har har) of getting nickel and dimed to death as customers bring in the Tire Rack tires for installation only.

Discount Tire probably could have run them out of business if they had a few hundred thousand miles more of road.


Actually they had lists of installers they'd send you to book an appointment at, or ship them to your preferred installer or home.

Damn, I purchased my tires form Tire Rack on a regular basis because they had better tires in stock than the local stores on average. Not that the local stores didn't have tires, they just didn't have the ones I wanted and special ordering them was a PITA.

I never have dealt with Discount Tire, I don't even know if there is one within a 100 miles...
 
2021-12-06 2:21:38 PM  

EJ25T: logieal: EJ25T: Maintenance and timing belts; you'll be fine.

It's that Maintenance thing that'll kill ya. Just spent this past weekend tearing down the intake to get the fuel line that runs between the intake risers to fix a fuel leak.

It's definitely a pain (255 and 257s were basically the same except for the Turbo/NA difference and heads), but it's worth it. I swapped out the whole fuel system when I got a big turbo kit for the STI (this was like 15 years ago and I still remember the job).

Just look at them as much easier to work on Audis of the same caliber, and you'll get through it. Really miss that car (Hawkeye '06 STI). At least you don't have to remove the front bumper to change a headlamp bulb.

/Miss that car and outrunning lifted trucks in the snow.


Yeah, I've pulled the engine a few times and fully replaced the shortblock. They are like Lego to a point.

/First scene of Baby Driver?
//First scene of Baby Driver.
///Nothing like an AWD drift in the snow
 
2021-12-06 2:25:01 PM  
Little Old Lady "Thank You" Commercial | Discount Tire
Youtube TE1dFHmFCRk
 
2021-12-06 2:26:29 PM  

Lsherm: This is probably a stupid question, but can't the FTC step in and block this on monopoly grounds?


I don't think that will be an issue. There are still some pretty good sized chains out there (Mavis, Pep Boys, Firestone, etc).

I've been very happy with Discount Tire over the years. I've only ordered from Tire Rack once and it was fine. 

The plus to this deal is you *should* be able to get a better turnaround time on your special orders.
 
2021-12-06 2:30:06 PM  

logieal: EJ25T: logieal: EJ25T: Maintenance and timing belts; you'll be fine.

It's that Maintenance thing that'll kill ya. Just spent this past weekend tearing down the intake to get the fuel line that runs between the intake risers to fix a fuel leak.

It's definitely a pain (255 and 257s were basically the same except for the Turbo/NA difference and heads), but it's worth it. I swapped out the whole fuel system when I got a big turbo kit for the STI (this was like 15 years ago and I still remember the job).

Just look at them as much easier to work on Audis of the same caliber, and you'll get through it. Really miss that car (Hawkeye '06 STI). At least you don't have to remove the front bumper to change a headlamp bulb.

/Miss that car and outrunning lifted trucks in the snow.

Yeah, I've pulled the engine a few times and fully replaced the shortblock. They are like Lego to a point.

/First scene of Baby Driver?
//First scene of Baby Driver.
///Nothing like an AWD drift in the snow


Yeah, compared to a big OHV V8, they require a lot tighter tolerances when doing a complete overhaul, but if you follow specs, they're bulletproof. Enjoy. Hope to re-join the boxer brotherhood soon.
 
2021-12-06 2:39:51 PM  
Will Tire Discounters buy Rack Tire?

/no discount tire in my city
 
2021-12-06 2:42:48 PM  
Been using Discount Tire for a while, there selection and price generally are pretty good.  First time I went was because I had a Volvo with fairly good tires and they were the only place around here that carried them.

Service has always been fine and the local store guys seem to know what they are doing.

/Mechanics I use even recommend them even though they sell tires it you want.
 
2021-12-06 2:53:12 PM  

zez: How do you start a tire business with six tires? Was he hoping to buy two more after he sold the first four or were they 6 totally different tires in case someone had a flat?


They were a mail order company for a while.
 
2021-12-06 7:26:30 PM  

Lsherm: This is probably a stupid question, but can't the FTC step in and block this on monopoly grounds?


No, because they aren't the only people you can buy tires from (cheap or otherwise). There are still distributors above these guys, and other retail chains (like Monro - and their 18 subsidiaries).
 
2021-12-06 7:47:54 PM  
I love Discount Tire.  I was really happy when one opened here and I could avoid the "locally owned" ripoff businesses.

I also lobbied to fly with their flight department back in the 90s. Still know an A&P there
 
2021-12-06 8:29:44 PM  

hammettman: hammettman: Tire Rack seems to be a stupid business model.  They sell you tires, but you have to find someplace to install them.  Apparently, it's usually Discount Tire.  I'm sure Discount Tire is tired (har har) of getting nickel and dimed to death as customers bring in the Tire Rack tires for installation only.

Discount Tire probably could have run them out of business if they had a few hundred thousand miles more of road.

And addendum: as someone who busted tires in my youth, it's not rocket science, but there's a big difference in machines and personnel at a quality shop vs. Jimmy at the 76.


The final time I visited NTB they stripped my lug key and piled weights on top of weights inside the hub so I had to get the wheels re-balanced somewhere competent.
 
2021-12-06 9:16:31 PM  

hammettman: Tire Rack seems to be a stupid business model.  They sell you tires, but you have to find someplace to install them.  Apparently, it's usually Discount Tire.  I'm sure Discount Tire is tired (har har) of getting nickel and dimed to death as customers bring in the Tire Rack tires for installation only.

Discount Tire probably could have run them out of business if they had a few hundred thousand miles more of road.


I don't know about that. I ordered three sets of tires to a nearby Mr. Tire and they were more than happy to install them - they even had some kind of deal worked out for an install rate. In my case, I was ordering either high performance tires or hard to find winter tires, and Mr. Tire didn't have them in stock, anyway. I'm sure they got a kickback from Tire Rack.
 
2021-12-06 9:45:03 PM  

Lsherm: hammettman: Tire Rack seems to be a stupid business model.  They sell you tires, but you have to find someplace to install them.  Apparently, it's usually Discount Tire.  I'm sure Discount Tire is tired (har har) of getting nickel and dimed to death as customers bring in the Tire Rack tires for installation only.

Discount Tire probably could have run them out of business if they had a few hundred thousand miles more of road.

I don't know about that. I ordered three sets of tires to a nearby Mr. Tire and they were more than happy to install them - they even had some kind of deal worked out for an install rate. In my case, I was ordering either high performance tires or hard to find winter tires, and Mr. Tire didn't have them in stock, anyway. I'm sure they got a kickback from Tire Rack.


The profit for the local guy is in installation, they are more than happy to charge you for mounting and balancing and skip the couple of bucks they make off the tires themselves.
 
2021-12-07 8:42:41 PM  

BretMavrik: Lsherm: This is probably a stupid question, but can't the FTC step in and block this on monopoly grounds?

Right... Costco, Les Schwab, Big O, etc. will never stand a chance against such a powerful force.

/Still love Tire Rack, though. Fast, friendly and professional.


Big O is owned by TBC
 
2021-12-07 8:46:06 PM  

nytmare: hammettman: hammettman: Tire Rack seems to be a stupid business model.  They sell you tires, but you have to find someplace to install them.  Apparently, it's usually Discount Tire.  I'm sure Discount Tire is tired (har har) of getting nickel and dimed to death as customers bring in the Tire Rack tires for installation only.

Discount Tire probably could have run them out of business if they had a few hundred thousand miles more of road.

And addendum: as someone who busted tires in my youth, it's not rocket science, but there's a big difference in machines and personnel at a quality shop vs. Jimmy at the 76.

The final time I visited NTB they stripped my lug key and piled weights on top of weights inside the hub so I had to get the wheels re-balanced somewhere competent.


Tire Kingdom taking over NTB was a death blow, TBC cares more about profit and market share than quality. NTW back in the day was the bomb
 
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