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2021-12-06 5:17:54 AM  
Australia have the biggest vaccine stockpiles per capita. We were very late to receive vaccines for most of our population at all, and now we've gone overboard. I think of Africa and how Australia's political "leadership" got to this point and I'm reminded of Diamond Joe Quimby at the end of the Whacking Day Simpsons ep...

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2021-12-06 6:58:03 AM  
We're not the baddies necessarily. We are trying to get our population vaccinated and so our focus is on that. If our population wasn't full of idiots, we may have gotten them all vaccinated long ago and could then shift our focus to vaccinating the rest of the world with our surplus.

Now, the drug companies jacking up prices to sell to the poorer countries would certainly make them the baddies.
 
2021-12-06 7:10:26 AM  

somedude210: We're not the baddies necessarily. We are trying to get our population vaccinated and so our focus is on that. If our population wasn't full of idiots, we may have gotten them all vaccinated long ago and could then shift our focus to vaccinating the rest of the world with our surplus.

Now, the drug companies jacking up prices to sell to the poorer countries would certainly make them the baddies.


That, and apparently we're the world's #1 exporter of the vaccines.

No, subby, in this case, we're not the baddies.  And even when we are, it's usually due to an disproportionately loud minority of assholes.
 
2021-12-06 7:23:54 AM  

somedude210: We're not the baddies necessarily. We are trying to get our population vaccinated and so our focus is on that. If our population wasn't full of idiots, we may have gotten them all vaccinated long ago and could then shift our focus to vaccinating the rest of the world with our surplus.

Now, the drug companies jacking up prices to sell to the poorer countries would certainly make them the baddies.


I was just going to respond with, "Have you been paying attention?"

You expounded on that quite nicely.
 
2021-12-06 7:25:30 AM  
Who exactly is this "we" in this scenario?
 
2021-12-06 7:27:41 AM  
Can't vaccinate the unwilling.
 
2021-12-06 7:27:54 AM  
no
 
2021-12-06 7:27:57 AM  

xanadian: somedude210: We're not the baddies necessarily. We are trying to get our population vaccinated and so our focus is on that. If our population wasn't full of idiots, we may have gotten them all vaccinated long ago and could then shift our focus to vaccinating the rest of the world with our surplus.

Now, the drug companies jacking up prices to sell to the poorer countries would certainly make them the baddies.

That, and apparently we're the world's #1 exporter of the vaccines.

No, subby, in this case, we're not the baddies.  And even when we are, it's usually due to an disproportionately loud minority of assholes.


The vaccines the 1st world exports are the vaccines we don't want. We send vaccines that are potentially contaminated, or are otherwise effectively useless because they are about to expire.

So yeah, we're the baddies. We just give ourselves just enough cover for plausible deniability.
 
2021-12-06 7:28:14 AM  
Unfortunately, the problem in Africa is not simply one of supply, but (like everywhere) also a problem of demand and vaccine skepticism.

As a matter of fact, just a week before identifying the Omicron variant, the South African government was turning away imports of doses because they were oversupplied and because demand had fallen dramatically.

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/exclusive-south-africa-delays-covid-vaccine-deliveries-inoculations-slow-2021-11-24/
 
2021-12-06 7:29:13 AM  
I really don't understand (I do understand) how you can believe that America is the greatest country in the world and STILL REFUSE ALL THE BENEFITS we get.

Like, we are so powerful that we got FIRST DIBS ON the vaccine, even though we did not develop it (that honor belongs to Germany https://www.statnews.com/2021/07/19/katalin-kariko-messenger-rna-vaccine-pioneer/ )

We have a strong (yet VERY EXPENSIVE) healthcare system that is offering FREE FARKING VACCINES TO EVERYONE and you STILL REFUSE...

You have been duped. Your cognitive dissonance is palatable. And the rest of us have a bad taste in our mouths.
 
2021-12-06 7:35:23 AM  
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2021-12-06 7:35:44 AM  
We've sent more doses to Africa than all other nations combined and our gov't just announced we're sending 9 million more.

So no, we aren't the baddies. We're the opposite of the baddies, Subby. Fark Off.
 
2021-12-06 7:38:27 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Unfortunately, the problem in Africa is not simply one of supply, but (like everywhere) also a problem of demand and vaccine skepticism.

As a matter of fact, just a week before identifying the Omicron variant, the South African government was turning away imports of doses because they were oversupplied and because demand had fallen dramatically.

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/exclusive-south-africa-delays-covid-vaccine-deliveries-inoculations-slow-2021-11-24/


The only thing more infectious than COVID is plague rattism.

Thanks, Republicans.
 
2021-12-06 7:47:28 AM  
Yes, but not for the reasons you may think.

Historically western civilization has ignored Africa for centuries, other than when they were exploiting it for natural resources which, sadly, included its citizens.  This has allowed an extremely violent, ignorant, and corrupt style of government (in the loosest sense possible) to flourish.  Simply because we just didn't care.  Now that we need to stop a deadly viral disease, we can't get the vaccines to the people because of ignorance an internal struggle.

Don't think for a second that western governments are hesitant to help fix this problem.  After all, when the Pacific Rim nations get too expensive, Wal-Mart has to move somewhere to get cheap shiat made.

Ok, we are the baddies.   Nevermind.
 
2021-12-06 7:47:55 AM  

GregInIndy: We've sent more doses to Africa than all other nations combined and our gov't just announced we're sending 9 million more.

So no, we aren't the baddies. We're the opposite of the baddies, Subby. Fark Off.


Um, Africa is NOT a nation. It is a Continent. SO FARK OFF, Greg in Indy.
 
2021-12-06 7:51:56 AM  
Nearly 19 million will be shared through COVAX, with the following allocations:
Approximately 6 million for South and Central America to the following countries: Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Costa Rica, Peru, Ecuador, Paraguay, Bolivia, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Panama, Haiti, and other Caribbean Community (CARICOM) countries, as well as the Dominican Republic.
Approximately 7 million for Asia to the following countries and entities:  India, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Maldives, Malaysia, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, Laos, Papua New Guinea, Taiwan, and the Pacific Islands.

Approximately 5 million for Africa to be shared with countries that will be selected in coordination with the African Union.
 
2021-12-06 7:52:02 AM  

theteacher: GregInIndy: We've sent more doses to Africa than all other nations combined and our gov't just announced we're sending 9 million more.

So no, we aren't the baddies. We're the opposite of the baddies, Subby. Fark Off.

Um, Africa is NOT a nation. It is a Continent. SO FARK OFF, Greg in Indy.


Wow. Haven't seen that hard of a self-own in a while.

Seriously, I'm just impressed & amused. Needed this on a Monday morning. Thanks.
 
2021-12-06 7:52:42 AM  

theteacher: GregInIndy: We've sent more doses to Africa than all other nations combined and our gov't just announced we're sending 9 million more.

So no, we aren't the baddies. We're the opposite of the baddies, Subby. Fark Off.

Um, Africa is NOT a nation. It is a Continent. SO FARK OFF, Greg in Indy.


You don't teach English, do you?
 
2021-12-06 8:03:25 AM  
A good faith attempt was made. Lack of local money and will is the problem. And no amount of outside effort can fix that.
 
2021-12-06 8:11:28 AM  

theteacher: GregInIndy: We've sent more doses to Africa than all other nations combined and our gov't just announced we're sending 9 million more.

So no, we aren't the baddies. We're the opposite of the baddies, Subby. Fark Off.

Um, Africa is NOT a nation. It is a Continent. SO FARK OFF, Greg in Indy.


Username explains the current state of education
 
2021-12-06 8:14:07 AM  
The biggest problem I see is that the west should give African nations vaccines as gifts. Instead of teaching them to fish, we're sending them frozen fish fingers. It's just another example of modern day colonialism- we buy your raw materials, you buy our finished goods.

How about we stand up actual infrastructure in Africa that lets them produce their own vaccines?
 
2021-12-06 8:14:54 AM  
Maybe Wakanda can kick in some cash.  Hecks.  I bet they got a vaccine better 'n anyone's.
 
2021-12-06 8:15:39 AM  
You know who is in a prime position to manufacture and send vaccines to Africa?

The companies that manufacture vaccines.

Now if that makes them baddies because they haven't done this, I don't know...they also made the vaccines in the first place.  Perhaps that makes the actual gatekeeper of the vaccine neutral, or their profit extraction motivation makes them lawful evil.

Dunno.  All I really know is that I can't do anything about it and don't consider myself as part of the baddies.  There has been outreach for this but Africa is a big big place that doesn't necessarily have all the resources needed to distribute constantly frozen vaccines, so that's a limiter that some freezer company could fix.  Are the freezer companies baddies too?  Dunno.
 
2021-12-06 8:23:13 AM  
Some African countries have an HIV rate over 30%. I'm fairly sure we forgot about Africa a long, long time ago.
 
2021-12-06 8:27:31 AM  

Great_Milenko: Yes, but not for the reasons you may think.

Historically western civilization has ignored Africa for centuries, other than when they were exploiting it for natural resources which, sadly, included its citizens.  This has allowed an extremely violent, ignorant, and corrupt style of government (in the loosest sense possible) to flourish.  Simply because we just didn't care.  Now that we need to stop a deadly viral disease, we can't get the vaccines to the people because of ignorance an internal struggle.

Don't think for a second that western governments are hesitant to help fix this problem.  After all, when the Pacific Rim nations get too expensive, Wal-Mart has to move somewhere to get cheap shiat made.

Ok, we are the baddies.   Nevermind.


So Africa was 'divided' up by European powers in the 1800s to suck up the wealth of the continent. It is ok to blame western europe, they did it. They were most definatly 'the baddies'.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonisation_of_Africa
 
2021-12-06 8:37:07 AM  

theteacher: GregInIndy: We've sent more doses to Africa than all other nations combined and our gov't just announced we're sending 9 million more.

So no, we aren't the baddies. We're the opposite of the baddies, Subby. Fark Off.

Um, Africa is NOT a nation. It is a Continent. SO FARK OFF, Greg in Indy.


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2021-12-06 8:40:12 AM  

gilgigamesh: xanadian: somedude210: We're not the baddies necessarily. We are trying to get our population vaccinated and so our focus is on that. If our population wasn't full of idiots, we may have gotten them all vaccinated long ago and could then shift our focus to vaccinating the rest of the world with our surplus.

Now, the drug companies jacking up prices to sell to the poorer countries would certainly make them the baddies.

That, and apparently we're the world's #1 exporter of the vaccines.

No, subby, in this case, we're not the baddies.  And even when we are, it's usually due to an disproportionately loud minority of assholes.

The vaccines the 1st world exports are the vaccines we don't want. We send vaccines that are potentially contaminated, or are otherwise effectively useless because they are about to expire.

So yeah, we're the baddies. We just give ourselves just enough cover for plausible deniability.


Still won't kill the patent to allow the world to produce the vaccines, either.

Letting this spread in certain areas of the world is a deliberate choice by our government.
 
2021-12-06 9:06:53 AM  
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Badies or not might be in our interest to do something.
 
2021-12-06 9:27:05 AM  

Shaggy_C: The biggest problem I see is that the west should give African nations vaccines as gifts. Instead of teaching them to fish, we're sending them frozen fish fingers. It's just another example of modern day colonialism- we buy your raw materials, you buy our finished goods.

How about we stand up actual infrastructure in Africa that lets them produce their own vaccines?


That would mean the pharmaceutical companies would have to waive the patent on a life-saving vaccine, and they're not gonna do that.  Because they're making STACKS.  That's the more important thing to Pfizer and Moderna, etc.  Profits over human lives.

'Utterly Obscene': Just 8 Pfizer and Moderna Investors Became $10 Billion Richer After Omicron Emerged (commondreams.org)

In the first week that the Omicron variant sparked global fears of a new wave of infections, a small handful of investors and executives with Pfizer and Moderna-currently the world's preeminent makers of Covid-19 vaccines-saw over $10 billion in new wealth, with the Moderna's CEO alone adding over $800 million to his personal fortune.
 
2021-12-06 9:28:29 AM  

jethroe: Shaggy_C: The biggest problem I see is that the west should give African nations vaccines as gifts. Instead of teaching them to fish, we're sending them frozen fish fingers. It's just another example of modern day colonialism- we buy your raw materials, you buy our finished goods.

How about we stand up actual infrastructure in Africa that lets them produce their own vaccines?

That would mean the pharmaceutical companies would have to waive the patent on a life-saving vaccine, and they're not gonna do that.  Because they're making STACKS.  That's the more important thing to Pfizer and Moderna, etc.  Profits over human lives.

'Utterly Obscene': Just 8 Pfizer and Moderna Investors Became $10 Billion Richer After Omicron Emerged (commondreams.org)

In the first week that the Omicron variant sparked global fears of a new wave of infections, a small handful of investors and executives with Pfizer and Moderna-currently the world's preeminent makers of Covid-19 vaccines-saw over $10 billion in new wealth, with the Moderna's CEO alone adding over $800 million to his personal fortune.


Biden promised to waive the patent months and months ago and still refuses to actually do it.
 
2021-12-06 9:52:09 AM  
Well, as long as the virus mutations respect international borders, I don't see how this could backfire.
 
2021-12-06 10:18:36 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: jethroe: Shaggy_C: The biggest problem I see is that the west should give African nations vaccines as gifts. Instead of teaching them to fish, we're sending them frozen fish fingers. It's just another example of modern day colonialism- we buy your raw materials, you buy our finished goods.

How about we stand up actual infrastructure in Africa that lets them produce their own vaccines?

That would mean the pharmaceutical companies would have to waive the patent on a life-saving vaccine, and they're not gonna do that.  Because they're making STACKS.  That's the more important thing to Pfizer and Moderna, etc.  Profits over human lives.

'Utterly Obscene': Just 8 Pfizer and Moderna Investors Became $10 Billion Richer After Omicron Emerged (commondreams.org)

In the first week that the Omicron variant sparked global fears of a new wave of infections, a small handful of investors and executives with Pfizer and Moderna-currently the world's preeminent makers of Covid-19 vaccines-saw over $10 billion in new wealth, with the Moderna's CEO alone adding over $800 million to his personal fortune.

Biden promised to waive the patent months and months ago and still refuses to actually do it.


It's not something Biden can do unilaterally.

A waiver of international patent rights would require a unanimous decision of the WTO.  And although Biden has expressed support for the idea, many other nations (particularly EU nations) are staunchly opposed.

In any case, I'm not sure supply constraints are the biggest issue at this point in the pandemic.  Current manufacturing is now producing enough doses annually to vaccinate the entire world and then some.  The issues are more related to distribution (rich nations need to export more of their stockpiles and stop hoarding), and slackening demand (as I noted above, even African nations were declining imports due to oversupply and falling demand).  Those are the biggest problems, and I don't think patent waivers really do anything to address them.
 
2021-12-06 10:19:22 AM  

GregInIndy: theteacher: GregInIndy: We've sent more doses to Africa than all other nations combined and our gov't just announced we're sending 9 million more.

So no, we aren't the baddies. We're the opposite of the baddies, Subby. Fark Off.

Um, Africa is NOT a nation. It is a Continent. SO FARK OFF, Greg in Indy.

Wow. Haven't seen that hard of a self-own in a while.

Seriously, I'm just impressed & amused. Needed this on a Monday morning. Thanks.


Why is it a self-own? Africa is a continent. Morocco has a higher vaccination rate than the US. You're perpetuating an outdated colonial mindset.
 
2021-12-06 10:28:18 AM  

fsbilly: GregInIndy: theteacher: GregInIndy: We've sent more doses to Africa than all other nations combined and our gov't just announced we're sending 9 million more.

So no, we aren't the baddies. We're the opposite of the baddies, Subby. Fark Off.

Um, Africa is NOT a nation. It is a Continent. SO FARK OFF, Greg in Indy.

Wow. Haven't seen that hard of a self-own in a while.

Seriously, I'm just impressed & amused. Needed this on a Monday morning. Thanks.

Why is it a self-own? Africa is a continent. Morocco has a higher vaccination rate than the US. You're perpetuating an outdated colonial mindset.


I think GregInIndy was saying that the USA has sent more doses to Africa than other nations have sent to Africa.  Not that the USA has sent more doses to Africa than it has sent "to other nations."  I believe several people mis-read his comment.
 
2021-12-06 11:00:29 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Biden promised to waive the patent months and months ago and still refuses to actually do it.


The President who got us a $15/hr minimum wage and a $2000 COVID stimulus went back on his word?!
 
2021-12-06 11:04:13 AM  

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Badies or not might be in our interest to do something.


Why not just make the scale "vaccine doses per capita" and make the scale 0 to 2.6 or whatever? I don't see how putting it on a 100 scale helps anything.
 
2021-12-06 11:12:04 AM  

EyeballKid: AdmirableSnackbar: Biden promised to waive the patent months and months ago and still refuses to actually do it.

The President who got us a $15/hr minimum wage and a $2000 COVID stimulus went back on his word?!


I mean the guy can launch fireballs from his eyes and lighting bolts from his arse.  What's his problem?  It's almost like he's not even trying to be a dictator.

Weird.
 
2021-12-06 11:19:27 AM  
 
2021-12-06 11:20:10 AM  
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2021-12-06 11:21:37 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Great_Milenko: Yes, but not for the reasons you may think.

Historically western civilization has ignored Africa for centuries, other than when they were exploiting it for natural resources which, sadly, included its citizens.  This has allowed an extremely violent, ignorant, and corrupt style of government (in the loosest sense possible) to flourish.  Simply because we just didn't care.  Now that we need to stop a deadly viral disease, we can't get the vaccines to the people because of ignorance an internal struggle.

Don't think for a second that western governments are hesitant to help fix this problem.  After all, when the Pacific Rim nations get too expensive, Wal-Mart has to move somewhere to get cheap shiat made.

Ok, we are the baddies.   Nevermind.

So Africa was 'divided' up by European powers in the 1800s to suck up the wealth of the continent. It is ok to blame western europe, they did it. They were most definatly 'the baddies'.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonisation_of_Africa


Because we talked about this one years ago which is why i have you farkied...

Africa is still treated the same now as it was in the colonial era. Sure, the people have their own governments now. That hasn't stopped the rest of the world exploiting the continent for its cheap labor and natural resources through corporate charters and bribes.

They say going on a mission trip will change you. More like pit in the stomach traumatizing what the differences in standard of living is. Seeing it is one thing. A thought that is fleeting. Being around in the middle and living in it is a punch in the gut. At least for those with actual empathy.

Having spent just a few weeks in Kenya with kids did that. That was 5 years ago. At this point all of them that I spent my personal time with are between 13 and 16. Which means some of the girls have are soon to be married off and the boys already finding work somewhere; probably hard labor... for probably less than $150 of pay per month.

Humanity treats each other like shiat while the haves pay lip service or a pittance to do anything for the have not.
 
2021-12-06 11:21:50 AM  

synithium: EyeballKid: AdmirableSnackbar: Biden promised to waive the patent months and months ago and still refuses to actually do it.

The President who got us a $15/hr minimum wage and a $2000 COVID stimulus went back on his word?!

I mean the guy can launch fireballs from his eyes and lighting bolts from his arse.  What's his problem?  It's almost like he's not even trying to be a dictator.

Weird.


I forget that Republican presidents are just a hair short of god with their power while there are school board members who wield more power than Democratic presidents.

Would be real embarrassing had President FDR, Jr. promised on the campaign trail to cure cancer or something.
 
2021-12-06 11:23:21 AM  

theteacher: Nearly 19 million will be shared through COVAX, with the following allocations:
Approximately 6 million for South and Central America to the following countries: Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Costa Rica, Peru, Ecuador, Paraguay, Bolivia, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Panama, Haiti, and other Caribbean Community (CARICOM) countries, as well as the Dominican Republic.
Approximately 7 million for Asia to the following countries and entities:  India, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Maldives, Malaysia, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, Laos, Papua New Guinea, Taiwan, and the Pacific Islands.

Approximately 5 million for Africa to be shared with countries that will be selected in coordination with the African Union.


With a population of 1.2 billion that's basically pissing on a fire
 
2021-12-06 12:08:04 PM  
Why does everyone expect the US to cover down for the rest of the world?
 
2021-12-06 12:10:56 PM  

Shaggy_C: The biggest problem I see is that the west should give African nations vaccines as gifts. Instead of teaching them to fish, we're sending them frozen fish fingers. It's just another example of modern day colonialism- we buy your raw materials, you buy our finished goods.

How about we stand up actual infrastructure in Africa that lets them produce their own vaccines?


you only need to look at the pandora papers and the panama papers and every other major financial scandal of the last 20 years to understand why africa can't have nice things... while it seems impossible, they seem to have more corrupt 'leaders' than we have here in the states.  siphoning money and hiding it offshore in obfuscated accounts using shell companies.
 
2021-12-06 12:12:54 PM  

EyeballKid: synithium: EyeballKid: AdmirableSnackbar: Biden promised to waive the patent months and months ago and still refuses to actually do it.

The President who got us a $15/hr minimum wage and a $2000 COVID stimulus went back on his word?!

I mean the guy can launch fireballs from his eyes and lighting bolts from his arse.  What's his problem?  It's almost like he's not even trying to be a dictator.

Weird.

I forget that Republican presidents are just a hair short of god with their power while there are school board members who wield more power than Democratic presidents.

Would be real embarrassing had President FDR, Jr. promised on the campaign trail to cure cancer or something.


It's amazing how snarky libs get at even the request that a president attempt to keep campaign promises.
 
2021-12-06 12:19:10 PM  

dpcotta: Why does everyone expect the US to cover down for the rest of the world?


No nation has given anywhere near as many doses for poor countries around the world as the US. Our contributions are far greater all other nations combined, and will continue to be so. Our generosity & assistance is entirely both the right and smart thing to do for global health.

The rest of the planet really, truly, needs to stop bashing the US and step the fark up themselves. Euro and Asian contributions need to be at least on par with ours before self-righteous morons here or abroad even think of godwinning the one nation doing more than the rest altogether to get the global poor vaccinated.
 
2021-12-06 12:21:50 PM  

dpcotta: Why does everyone expect the US to cover down for the rest of the world?


The same people that constantly white knight China on here
 
2021-12-06 12:26:34 PM  
What has Africa done for us lately?
 
2021-12-06 12:34:39 PM  

dpcotta: Why does everyone expect the US to cover down for the rest of the world?


What are we spending all this military money for, then, if not?
 
2021-12-06 12:37:44 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: EyeballKid: synithium: EyeballKid: AdmirableSnackbar: Biden promised to waive the patent months and months ago and still refuses to actually do it.

The President who got us a $15/hr minimum wage and a $2000 COVID stimulus went back on his word?!

I mean the guy can launch fireballs from his eyes and lighting bolts from his arse.  What's his problem?  It's almost like he's not even trying to be a dictator.

Weird.

I forget that Republican presidents are just a hair short of god with their power while there are school board members who wield more power than Democratic presidents.

Would be real embarrassing had President FDR, Jr. promised on the campaign trail to cure cancer or something.

It's amazing how snarky libs get at even the request that a president attempt to keep campaign promises.


What makes you think he isn't attempting to keep it?

The whole point is that the president is not often in a position to do things by himself.

That's neither left nor right but fact.
 
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