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2021-12-06 3:11:13 AM  
What an Amazon shipping container might look like...

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2021-12-06 3:16:11 AM  
I'm not even mad, That's Brilliant!
and when the containers rust out you can sell them as Tiny Homes.
 
2021-12-06 3:18:59 AM  

AbuHashish: What an Amazon shipping container might look like...

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2021-12-06 3:27:37 AM  

AbuHashish: What an Amazon shipping container might look like...

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Wow, that is some dark, Monday morning humor. Well done.
 
2021-12-06 3:29:11 AM  

AbuHashish: What an Amazon shipping container might look like...

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If slavery were legal, Amazon would already have black people in cages, breeding them like livestock.
 
2021-12-06 3:40:20 AM  
I'm all for Amazon putting money back out into the world, because frankly, no entity, corporate, or single human being should hoard wealth.
 
2021-12-06 3:41:13 AM  
Or you could, you know, buy and sell things made closer to your customers.
 
2021-12-06 3:42:06 AM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: I'm all for Amazon putting money back out into the world, because frankly, no entity, corporate, or single human being should hoard wealth.


And Amazon is getting right on that?
 
2021-12-06 3:43:52 AM  

ImpendingCynic: Or you could, you know, buy and sell things made closer to your customers.


But that might cost them 0.00000000000000037% more and that's money shareholders will never see.
 
2021-12-06 3:48:37 AM  

foo monkey: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: I'm all for Amazon putting money back out into the world, because frankly, no entity, corporate, or single human being should hoard wealth.

And Amazon is getting right on that?


The point is that the less money they have, the better. If they have to spend it transporting their own shiat, so be it. At least it's not in their hands anymore.
 
2021-12-06 3:50:56 AM  

Archie Goodwin: ImpendingCynic: Or you could, you know, buy and sell things made closer to your customers.

But that might cost them 0.00000000000000037% more and that's money shareholders will never see.


As much as I love to wave the proletarian flag and scream about shareholders, lets be real, a very large element of this is that american consumers will eat each other to save $0.27 on toothpaste, and will allow the tiniest of margins or ease of delivery to dictate shopping preferences over just about every ethical and political quandry they may otherwise have.
 
2021-12-06 3:52:55 AM  
What we're seeing is the effects of overpopulation creating a demand so large that is beginning to exceed supply irrespective of the wages of the average person.

It's not a "shipping container problem" it's a demand problem.

Only solution is to consume less or stop having so many damn kids.
 
2021-12-06 3:55:35 AM  

mistahtom: What we're seeing is the effects of overpopulation creating a demand so large that is beginning to exceed supply irrespective of the wages of the average person.

It's not a "shipping container problem" it's a demand problem.

Only solution is to consume less or stop having so many damn kids.


And it's just now happening because the pandemic killed all those extra people, so the population is reaching a new peak.
 
2021-12-06 4:03:04 AM  

ImpendingCynic: Or you could, you know, buy and sell things made closer to your customers.


You are kidding yourself.  Badly.  There was a time when things were made both locally (to Westerners) and in China.  China made things cheaper.  Consumers chose cheaper.  Now everything is made in China and manufacturing in much of the West is non-existent.  The decision was made by consumers.  Not Amazon.

I'm no friend of Amazon but for the vast majority of consumers, if they want to know who is responsible for things not being made locally, they should stand in front of a mirror and point forward.
 
2021-12-06 4:06:05 AM  
Wow.  Slavery ship pictures.  Breeding as livestock?   This thread went downhill fast.
 
2021-12-06 4:14:55 AM  

caffeine_addict: Wow.  Slavery ship pictures.  Breeding as livestock?   This thread went downhill fast.


Welcome to Fark.
 
2021-12-06 4:18:18 AM  

caffeine_addict: Wow.  Slavery ship pictures.  Breeding as livestock?   This thread went downhill fast.


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2021-12-06 4:18:35 AM  
Wait until you guys hear about FedEx and UPS.
 
2021-12-06 4:23:59 AM  
Amazon certainly has the volume to make it worth it -- and they can continue to use the existing 3rd party logistics for the less profitable routes, just cherry-pick their own platform where it makes the most sense... Just like they've doing for their local deliveries forever now.

Seems like a no-brainer, surprised it took them this long.
 
2021-12-06 4:28:15 AM  

mistahtom: What we're seeing is the effects of overpopulation creating a demand so large that is beginning to exceed supply irrespective of the wages of the average person.

It's not a "shipping container problem" it's a demand problem.

Only solution is to consume less or stop having so many damn kids.


I would argue it's more of a "just in time" or "lean" production problem.

Companies no longer pay for employees to work full time or storage facilities to store surplus product. They wait until they get an order, hire some temps to make just what was ordered, then let go of the temps.

This has been going on for years. They advertise it as being "flexible" but really it just means doing the bare minimum. And then a pandemic comes and they cant just hire temps to get back to work and the whole thing collapses in on itself.

And being that we live in Late-Stage Capitalism: the Country, it's only going to get worse.
 
2021-12-06 4:28:48 AM  
It's a "let's see who didn't even read literally the first 2 words of TFA" thread.
 
2021-12-06 4:32:09 AM  

mistahtom: What we're seeing is the effects of overpopulation creating a demand so large that is beginning to exceed supply irrespective of the wages of the average person.

It's not a "shipping container problem" it's a demand problem.

Only solution is to consume less or stop having so many damn kids.


The birthrate in the U.S. is 1.7. It's at an all time low. Seeing as how 1.7 is less than 2, the U.S. is like every other western/developed asian world and has a declining birthrate. The U.S. has been at or below 2.2 since the late 70s, and for the last 8 years, under 2.

You must have missed the Faux Newz outrage. They were predictably shiatting their pants about it. Something about replacing us, blood and soil, and tiki torches and polo shirts.

The only way to curtail demand is to dump the U.S. economy, and install an iron fisted dictator that employs people to shoot you on sight if you buy more than food. That solves your supply chain issue and there will be less things to be delivered to stores. Sure, it's a cut off your nose to spite your face issue, but unless you have a solution to human free will, you really can't stop people from harvesting materials and making materials and forming an economy unless you commit to going full North Korea. And you never go full North Korea.
 
2021-12-06 4:33:04 AM  
You'll order 2 USB sticks and a paperback, and it'll come with all that giant bubble wrap in a shipping container.
 
2021-12-06 4:39:12 AM  
This is all a cover. Amazon knows full well that global warming will raise the sea level drastically. It is cornering the market on boats and will have a fully funded operational navy/housing unit ready to go by 2055. Musk may try to leave the planet but the Bezos ships will blow him out of the sky.
 
2021-12-06 4:39:53 AM  

princhester: Consumers chose cheaper


No, producers chose cheaper.

Consumers didn't get a say in our trade agreements.
 
2021-12-06 4:40:11 AM  
Producers hired lobbyists. They did.
 
2021-12-06 4:51:30 AM  

Claude Ballse: AbuHashish: What an Amazon shipping container might look like...

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If slavery were legal, Amazon would already have black people in cages, breeding them like livestock.


Hey now that's an unfair characterization!

I'm quite certain Amazon would gladly treat white people the same way.
 
2021-12-06 5:00:56 AM  

King Something: caffeine_addict: Wow.  Slavery ship pictures.  Breeding as livestock?   This thread went downhill fast.

Welcome to Fark.


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2021-12-06 5:01:17 AM  

puffy999: princhester: Consumers chose cheaper

No, producers chose cheaper.

Consumers didn't get a say in our trade agreements.


You are kidding yourself.  There are Western-made products even now, and there were far more previously.  Consumers could have bought them but didn't because they were more expensive.  Producers chose cheaper because they figured (correctly) that if they could manufacture things cheaper offshore people would buy their products rather than more expensive local products.

As to trade agreements, what you are saying doesn't even make sense.  Trade agreements allowed Asian manufacturers access to Western markets.  If consumers - post trade agreements - had said "fark that I'm buying local" the avalanche of Western companies off-shoring to Asian would never have happened.

I get it - it's easier to think consumers were powerless and blameless.  It's bullshiat, though.  No lobbyist, and no producer, made consumers buy anything.  The market followed consumer demand.  There is not a "buy local" campaign that has worked, ever, anywhere, for this reason.
 
2021-12-06 5:04:51 AM  

TheyHaveTheInternetOnComputersNow: mistahtom: What we're seeing is the effects of overpopulation creating a demand so large that is beginning to exceed supply irrespective of the wages of the average person.

It's not a "shipping container problem" it's a demand problem.

Only solution is to consume less or stop having so many damn kids.

I would argue it's more of a "just in time" or "lean" production problem.

Companies no longer pay for employees to work full time or storage facilities to store surplus product. They wait until they get an order, hire some temps to make just what was ordered, then let go of the temps.

This has been going on for years. They advertise it as being "flexible" but really it just means doing the bare minimum. And then a pandemic comes and they cant just hire temps to get back to work and the whole thing collapses in on itself.

And being that we live in Late-Stage Capitalism: the Country, it's only going to get worse.


JIT actually makes sense for some products, especially complex machines that have a lot of parts and are expensive. Keeping a large supply is an expensive propasition. Cars are the easy one to show. I could also point to generators, farm equipment, HVAC, even the machines for the manufacturing lines for such products.

And no. Even if all the parts for these were made in the US, pieces would still be manufactured and shipped across country. That said, though, it doesn't just get made in urban sprawled industrial parks. Tiny rural 'company towns' all across the US do make parts, too. IIRC, one of the last times I was up until 4am insomniac, i looked into how many companies make parts for wind turbines in WI (please don't ask why). IIRC, it was like 80

We basically turned off many of the pumps supplying our water tower, but left kept the faucets open because of covid in order to move what was already in the pipe.. Then we started  getting back to work. The pumps were just turned back on to fill the demand. But we step functioned the demand. The pumps have some capacity to keep the pipes filling while we keep draining the water out of the faucet, but it is going to take time to get back up to full presure again.
 
2021-12-06 5:18:11 AM  

ImpendingCynic: Or you could, you know, buy and sell things made closer to your customers.


I like my senseless plastic sh*t cheap and foreign, thank you.
 
2021-12-06 5:40:24 AM  

Archie Goodwin: ImpendingCynic: Or you could, you know, buy and sell things made closer to your customers.

But that might cost them 0.00000000000000037% more and that's money shareholders will never see.


Pretty sure someone at Amazon is running the numbers constantly and if they ever shift, so will the way they operate.
 
2021-12-06 5:42:25 AM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: foo monkey: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: I'm all for Amazon putting money back out into the world, because frankly, no entity, corporate, or single human being should hoard wealth.

And Amazon is getting right on that?

The point is that the less money they have, the better. If they have to spend it transporting their own shiat, so be it. At least it's not in their hands anymore.


It's not in their hands, right now. Once their workers have to buy something the money gets recycled back into the system.
 
2021-12-06 6:22:55 AM  
I remember the old days on Fark, when WalMart had the title for the most evil corporation on Earth.
 
2021-12-06 6:35:33 AM  
They can build all the ships and containers they want; the problem right now is the lack of ports to offload them at, and roads and rail lines to take the product away from the ports.

Every day driving home from work I see a couple dozen container ships lined up between Huntington and Catalina, waiting to be unloaded. They're all heading for Long Beach, which is currently stacked like a tiny New York skyline with containers waiting for trucks to haul them up the 710 (which is the only highway out of the port) and out of the city.

If Bezos was the logistical genius he pretends, he'd be figuring out a way to get stuff off the ships, or another way to get containers out of the ports. The one thing we don't need is more ships parked offshore.
 
2021-12-06 6:47:25 AM  

AbuHashish: What an Amazon shipping container might look like...

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"I accidentally ordered an extra slave, and when I went to return it, Amazon just said to keep it after they refunded my money.  It was cheaper then sending it back apparently.
Score!"
-letter found from 1787
 
2021-12-06 6:48:20 AM  

Claude Ballse: AbuHashish: What an Amazon shipping container might look like...

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If slavery were legal, Amazon would already have black people in cages, breeding them like livestock.


Yeah but the Slave Basic products are crap.
 
2021-12-06 6:49:03 AM  

zbtop: Archie Goodwin: ImpendingCynic: Or you could, you know, buy and sell things made closer to your customers.

But that might cost them 0.00000000000000037% more and that's money shareholders will never see.

As much as I love to wave the proletarian flag and scream about shareholders, lets be real, a very large element of this is that american consumers will eat each other to save $0.27 on toothpaste, and will allow the tiniest of margins or ease of delivery to dictate shopping preferences over just about every ethical and political quandry they may otherwise have.


Also, the American consumer needs to, er, consume less. Even I find myself checking out products online that I really don't need. I very much want to replace my Pixel 3XL with the iPhone 13, especially since my phone will no longer receive OS updates. But my phone works fine, and the battery charge holds up. I can easily use this phone at least until next year.
 
2021-12-06 6:51:56 AM  

Madaynun: and when the containers rust out you can sell them as Tiny Homes.


No, you can't, at least not more feasibly than building actual housing.

All a shipping container is, is an uninsulated metal can.  It can be built en-masse and cheaply.  It has no facilities for plumbing, heat, insulation, electricity, ventilation or any other safety concerns.  By the time you're done, you have spent much more in time and manpower than erecting a wood-framed home just to end up with something that makes a single-wide look spacious.

Ironically, the people here that have long ridiculed trailer parks are the same that want these conversions.  The only difference is that they can pat themselves on the back because THEY thought of it even though the outcome does not differ one iota.
 
2021-12-06 6:54:16 AM  

TTFK: Madaynun: and when the containers rust out you can sell them as Tiny Homes.

No, you can't, at least not more feasibly than building actual housing.

All a shipping container is, is an uninsulated metal can.  It can be built en-masse and cheaply.  It has no facilities for plumbing, heat, insulation, electricity, ventilation or any other safety concerns.  By the time you're done, you have spent much more in time and manpower than erecting a wood-framed home just to end up with something that makes a single-wide look spacious.

Ironically, the people here that have long ridiculed trailer parks are the same that want these conversions.  The only difference is that they can pat themselves on the back because THEY thought of it even though the outcome does not differ one iota.


I've seen double wide trailers that are nice. I wouldn't mind trailer life at all.
 
2021-12-06 6:59:08 AM  

Madaynun: I'm not even mad, That's Brilliant!
and when the containers rust out you can sell them as Tiny Homes.


Harder for that Amazon lamp to burn it down.
 
2021-12-06 7:00:41 AM  

caffeine_addict: Wow.  Slavery ship pictures.  Breeding as livestock?   This thread went downhill fast.


I go out of my way to avoid buying anything from them.  Price don't come into it anymore.
 
2021-12-06 7:02:46 AM  

princhester: You are kidding yourself.  There are Western-made products even now, and there were far more previously.  Consumers could have bought them but didn't because they were more expensive..
As to trade agreements, what you are saying doesn't even make sense.  Trade agreements allowed Asian manufacturers access to Western markets.  If consumers - post trade agreements - had said "fark that I'm buying local" the avalanche of Western companies off-shoring to Asian would never have happened


Before my tl;dr, I'll just say we're probably in agreement in general except I'm putting the egg before the chicken and you're putting the chicken before the egg. Consumers aren't blameless, but they can only consume what is offered.

"Choice" is provided by producers or distributors. See WalMart and their price point model as an example. Or the Nike sneakers that cost a buck to make regardless of style and sell for $$40-$240. In many cases the choices are made *for* you, the glorious consumer, you only get to chose how farked you want to be. And you'll even choose non-domestic expensive when it suits you.

Go back a few decades, pre cell-phone and computer, how many choices did we have and for how long did they actually exist?
Things like Levis? Curtis Mathes televisions? Pre-NAFTA cars (well those weren't more expensive... because they used the same giant iron engines for so long)? I mean, people paid for those. But they were just standard products.

What happened was that someone who crunched numbers one day figured out it made more money to make items for 1% of the labor and 10% of your manufacturing cost, because advertising was the new way to sell to America. Spend 25-50% of your former costs on advertising? Now you're selling products at a higher return rate, lower cost (when you want them to be), *and* they fail more so you'll sell more. And when someone caught wind? "Let's make it easier for domestic corporations to produce and import products from overseas. We don't want to hurt stock holders."

Why were goods from overseas or Mexico eventually so cheap? No labor or health or workplace standards, in some cases no *age* restrictions. "Well, let's just cut them some deals" agrees our governent, to help... our corporate manufacturing interests. Wages at 1% of ours, manufacturing costs 1%, shipping costs much less, and then shipping in bulk on a container ship? Well who cares if we lose a container of product. And after all of that...  people STILL paid cobbler's prices for Jordan shoes... $150 for shoes which wear out in 3 months... because American shoes were too expensive... apparently. Heck even Levi's went out of the country and they didn't drop their prices.

So, eventually the question became, *WHY* manufacture here when you can do it there? Again, that's not the *consumer* *choosing*, that's the consumer having the choice made. And in many cases, you *didn't* really have a choice. Ever. Because, if you had a *choice*, the differences would be outlined to you.

Let's look at another side of things to suggest that it's the producers/manufacturers, some domestic raw goods: produce, milk, timber. Raw prices (to the source, farmer, rancher, timberland owner) are getting squeezed more and more. But milk is still making money, veggie and meat prices at the store have been going up (the processors and distributors and retailers getting the bulk of that), and look at what lumber and other wood products did, prices skyrocketed and people paid.
 
2021-12-06 7:25:31 AM  

Gyrfalcon: They can build all the ships and containers they want; the problem right now is the lack of ports to offload them at, and roads and rail lines to take the product away from the ports.

Every day driving home from work I see a couple dozen container ships lined up between Huntington and Catalina, waiting to be unloaded. They're all heading for Long Beach, which is currently stacked like a tiny New York skyline with containers waiting for trucks to haul them up the 710 (which is the only highway out of the port) and out of the city.

If Bezos was the logistical genius he pretends, he'd be figuring out a way to get stuff off the ships, or another way to get containers out of the ports. The one thing we don't need is more ships parked offshore.


whoops, someone didn't read the article...
 
2021-12-06 7:25:58 AM  
Meanwhile, I have a package that's been out for delivery on a local Amazon truck for the past 3 days.
 
2021-12-06 7:26:53 AM  

Claude Ballse: AbuHashish: What an Amazon shipping container might look like...

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If slavery were legal, Amazon would already have black people in cages, breeding them like livestock.


You really think Amazon would care what color their slaves are?
 
2021-12-06 7:28:25 AM  

TTFK: Madaynun: and when the containers rust out you can sell them as Tiny Homes.

No, you can't, at least not more feasibly than building actual housing.

All a shipping container is, is an uninsulated metal can.  It can be built en-masse and cheaply.  It has no facilities for plumbing, heat, insulation, electricity, ventilation or any other safety concerns.  By the time you're done, you have spent much more in time and manpower than erecting a wood-framed home just to end up with something that makes a single-wide look spacious.

Ironically, the people here that have long ridiculed trailer parks are the same that want these conversions.  The only difference is that they can pat themselves on the back because THEY thought of it even though the outcome does not differ one iota.


I think the issue with trailer parks is more about the residents than the homes themselves.  I mean, it's super fun to shiat on poor people.  At least that's what Fark has taught me.
 
2021-12-06 7:30:55 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Meanwhile, I have a package that's been out for delivery on a local Amazon truck for the past 3 days.


It's in the woods somewhere.
 
2021-12-06 7:34:25 AM  
 
2021-12-06 7:34:27 AM  

princhester: I'm no friend of Amazon but for the vast majority of consumers, if they want to know who is responsible for things not being made locally, they should stand in front of a mirror and point forward.


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