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2021-12-05 2:44:25 PM  
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2021-12-05 4:12:10 PM  
We need to start treating the police like the criminals they are.  No one steals from or murders more Americans than the police.
 
2021-12-05 4:36:51 PM  
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2021-12-05 6:07:56 PM  
Obvious tag out for repair and reform, Subby?

That said, with 175 police shootings in 31 years, Maine is doing so bad compared to most other states.
 
2021-12-05 6:09:18 PM  

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2021-12-05 6:12:07 PM  
Police in Maine have shot people 175 times since 1990.

Wow. Here are the figures for the entire UK, population c60m.

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2021-12-05 6:13:07 PM  

Pert: Police in Maine have shot people 175 times since 1990.

Wow. Here are the figures for the entire UK, population c60m.

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Yeah but enjoy saluting the queen every day commie
 
2021-12-05 6:14:31 PM  
We need an investigative group that only makes money from convicted cops.  The group gets the cops pay, of the expected life of the cop, including raises and promotions etc...  So that their incentive is to convict cops.  But they cop investigators have to agree to full on public tourture and eventual dismembermebt if they are found to be corrupt.  Then we need a third group, that gets regular pay, but a bonus if they find corruption in the cop investigator group.  And allow the regular cops to get a bonus if they find corruption in the third group.  And also regular people get double bonus for exposing the third or second group.  Make the groups all fear corruption.

Make it so that any person who lies on the stand or to the investigative groups (including the citizens investigating) are eligible for torture and eternal punishment if possible.  Such that if we find a way to upload the consciousness of a person to a computer, and that consciousness claims to be the person, that we torture the computer version until there is no energy left in the universe.

Only ultra fear will work from now on.
 
2021-12-05 6:14:47 PM  

Pert: Police in Maine have shot people 175 times since 1990.

Wow. Here are the figures for the entire UK, population c60m.

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Maybe they just aren't good marksmen..?

/ jk
 
2021-12-05 6:15:50 PM  
It doesn't need 'reform'. The entire farking system needs to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up.
 
2021-12-05 6:18:06 PM  
'Police reform' is code for 'Keeping the status quo, giving massive amounts of money to cops, but letting a sacrificial cop face justice slightly more often, and maybe making cops go to seminars that accomplish fark-all'.
 
2021-12-05 6:19:04 PM  
so even if they do it right, some people have to question it...
 
2021-12-05 6:21:49 PM  

Pert: Police in Maine have shot people 175 times since 1990.

Wow. Here are the figures for the entire UK, population c60m.

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So I glanced at the title if the graph and read it as "fetal shootings" and it still made perfect sense to me.

I MAY need more caffeine.
 
2021-12-05 6:22:36 PM  

LordJiro: It doesn't need 'reform'. The entire farking system needs to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up.


So do you have any thoughts that aren't purely semantic?
 
2021-12-05 6:26:57 PM  
TFA: "People (think), 'Oh, it's Maine, it's idyllic'"

ha!
 
2021-12-05 6:29:37 PM  
Seems like someone with a huge telephoto lens could probably prove they were doing hinky shiat.
 
2021-12-05 6:30:14 PM  

LordJiro: It doesn't need 'reform'. The entire farking system needs to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up.


LordJiro: 'Police reform' is code for 'Keeping the status quo, giving massive amounts of money to cops, but letting a sacrificial cop face justice slightly more often, and maybe making cops go to seminars that accomplish fark-all'.


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"Reform the police" presumes that the problems with policing are subconscious when they're actually conscious.

BMFPitt: LordJiro: It doesn't need 'reform'. The entire farking system needs to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up.

So do you have any thoughts that aren't purely semantic?


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2021-12-05 6:34:29 PM  
I've said it before and I'll say it again: get rid of Qualified Immunity.  The court created it and expanded it to the point pretty much every government official is protected if they royally screw up, even if someone's life is lost.
 
2021-12-05 6:41:03 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: "Reform the police" presumes that the problems with policing are subconscious when they're actually conscious.


No, it doesn't.

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Wait, have you now changed your position and decided that you are in favor of those things regardless of whether they use your slogan, or were you just posting a random image?
 
2021-12-05 6:45:50 PM  
The police are bodyguards for the people who sold the American legacy to China and block every attempt to make the pursuit of happiness a reality for the masses.  Same as it ever was.
 
2021-12-05 6:49:07 PM  
Defund the police shooting investigations
 
2021-12-05 6:52:51 PM  

Meatsim1: Pert: Police in Maine have shot people 175 times since 1990.

Wow. Here are the figures for the entire UK, population c60m.

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Yeah but enjoy saluting the queen every day commie


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2021-12-05 7:09:59 PM  

BMFPitt: Bith Set Me Up: "Reform the police" presumes that the problems with policing are subconscious when they're actually conscious.

No, it doesn't.


Whenever politicians talk about "reforming the police", that typically translates to things like sensitivity training, which doesn't help that much overall.

https://www.insider.com/police-defensive-deescalation-techniques-implicit-bias-training-2020-6

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Wait, have you now changed your position and decided that you are in favor of those things regardless of whether they use your slogan, or were you just posting a random image?


Those that are allegedly bothered by the term "defund" are never going to get appeased by any other choice of words.

"Black Lives Matter" itself went through this 5+ years ago, as well. In 2016, only 27% of Americans said they supported the Black Lives Matter movement, but they pushed back against the concerns and now, most Americans will say that they support the movement.
 
2021-12-05 7:10:12 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: We need an investigative group that only makes money from convicted cops.  The group gets the cops pay, of the expected life of the cop, including raises and promotions etc...  So that their incentive is to convict cops.  But they cop investigators have to agree to full on public tourture and eventual dismembermebt if they are found to be corrupt.  Then we need a third group, that gets regular pay, but a bonus if they find corruption in the cop investigator group.  And allow the regular cops to get a bonus if they find corruption in the third group.  And also regular people get double bonus for exposing the third or second group.  Make the groups all fear corruption.

Make it so that any person who lies on the stand or to the investigative groups (including the citizens investigating) are eligible for torture and eternal punishment if possible.  Such that if we find a way to upload the consciousness of a person to a computer, and that consciousness claims to be the person, that we torture the computer version until there is no energy left in the universe.

Only ultra fear will work from now on.


Remove qualified immunity and you'd get the fear.

Replace all semi-autos with 6-shot revolvers and they might think twice about shooting, due to the exposure during reload.

1 shooting and you're on probation. 2 - regardless if it's a righteous shoot or not - and you're fired. That will make them think a lot about that first shoot.
 
2021-12-05 7:14:39 PM  
Reform has been tried and has failed repeatedly.

"Defund," while being a completely rational and correct course of action, has been rejected by white liberals because they're afraid it's too aggressive of a slogan and will make the racists mad or something.

There aren't really any peaceful options left. And the police absolutely need to be defanged and declawed.
 
2021-12-05 7:18:17 PM  

bluejeansonfire: Reform has been tried and has failed repeatedly.

"Defund," while being a completely rational and correct course of action, has been rejected by white liberals because they're afraid it's too aggressive of a slogan and will make the racists mad or something.

There aren't really any peaceful options left. And the police absolutely need to be defanged and declawed.


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2021-12-05 7:45:16 PM  

LordJiro: It doesn't need 'reform'. The entire farking system needs to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up.


If half the BLM membership joined the local police force, we could at least start arresting the crooked cops, as it stands, nobody will testify or their family gets it.
 
2021-12-05 8:10:05 PM  

indy_kid: AmbassadorBooze: We need an investigative group that only makes money from convicted cops.  The group gets the cops pay, of the expected life of the cop, including raises and promotions etc...  So that their incentive is to convict cops.  But they cop investigators have to agree to full on public tourture and eventual dismembermebt if they are found to be corrupt.  Then we need a third group, that gets regular pay, but a bonus if they find corruption in the cop investigator group.  And allow the regular cops to get a bonus if they find corruption in the third group.  And also regular people get double bonus for exposing the third or second group.  Make the groups all fear corruption.

Make it so that any person who lies on the stand or to the investigative groups (including the citizens investigating) are eligible for torture and eternal punishment if possible.  Such that if we find a way to upload the consciousness of a person to a computer, and that consciousness claims to be the person, that we torture the computer version until there is no energy left in the universe.

Only ultra fear will work from now on.

Remove qualified immunity and you'd get the fear.

Replace all semi-autos with 6-shot revolvers and they might think twice about shooting, due to the exposure during reload.

1 shooting and you're on probation. 2 - regardless if it's a righteous shoot or not - and you're fired. That will make them think a lot about that first shoot.


The one thing I don't get is firing on the second shot.  If it is a pedophile actively raping a toddler to death, a seasoned cop, who has previously shot a pedo should not shoot?  Assuming the previous shot was righeous.  After a rightious shoot, should a cop be retiered permanently with full pay?  Even if on their first day, they get a pedo?  I mean I am fine with that, but a rookie that gets a pedo in a rightious shot should still be required to work at least a little longer.
 
2021-12-05 8:21:29 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: We need to start treating the police like the criminals they are.  No one steals from or murders more Americans than the police.


I'm going to have to call bullshiat on that one. Or at least request some serious citations.

Even if you want to claim that "the police" were a unified group, which they're not, there's just no way that that group could possibly steal more than any other single group like, say, the Russian Mob, or murder more Americans than we ourselves do on a daily basis.

It's bad enough without hyperbolizing yourself into idiocy.
 
2021-12-05 8:27:45 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: Whenever politicians talk about "reforming the police", that typically translates to things like sensitivity training, which doesn't help that much overall.


I'm not sure what that baseless statement has to do with the fact that you don't understand what the word "reform" does and doesn't mean.

Those that are allegedly bothered by the term "defund" are never going to get appeased by any other choice of words.

Can you clarify who you're referring to here?  People who agree completely on policy, but want a slogan that isn't wildly counterproductive, or some chunk of voters, without whom we can never actually accomplish any of these goals, that you are simply writing off because you'd rather not convince them?

"Black Lives Matter" itself went through this 5+ years ago, as well. In 2016, only 27% of Americans said they supported the Black Lives Matter movement, but they pushed back against the concerns and now, most Americans will say that they support the movement.

And arguably that would have been faster and with an even bigger percentage if the message didn't implicitly downplay the variety of people that the cops love to murder.
 
2021-12-05 8:28:03 PM  

indy_kid: AmbassadorBooze: We need an investigative group that only makes money from convicted cops.  The group gets the cops pay, of the expected life of the cop, including raises and promotions etc...  So that their incentive is to convict cops.  But they cop investigators have to agree to full on public tourture and eventual dismembermebt if they are found to be corrupt.  Then we need a third group, that gets regular pay, but a bonus if they find corruption in the cop investigator group.  And allow the regular cops to get a bonus if they find corruption in the third group.  And also regular people get double bonus for exposing the third or second group.  Make the groups all fear corruption.

Make it so that any person who lies on the stand or to the investigative groups (including the citizens investigating) are eligible for torture and eternal punishment if possible.  Such that if we find a way to upload the consciousness of a person to a computer, and that consciousness claims to be the person, that we torture the computer version until there is no energy left in the universe.

Only ultra fear will work from now on.

Remove qualified immunity and you'd get the fear.

Replace all semi-autos with 6-shot revolvers and they might think twice about shooting, due to the exposure during reload.

1 shooting and you're on probation. 2 - regardless if it's a righteous shoot or not - and you're fired. That will make them think a lot about that first shoot.


That's completely ridiculous. So in other words if the first shoot is perfectly good, and the second shoot is to protect a pregnant mother about to be killed by her abusive ex, the cop has to decide "well, I can save her or lose my job" and goes in KNOWING that that is going to happen, you really think any cop good or bad is going to pull the trigger? Congrats, you just made it so any justifiable shots will never be taken, at the expense of someone who might actually have been saved.

Plus, your idiot solution disregards the fact that at least half the cop deaths out there are not caused by gunshots. They've been caused by Tasers, positional asphyxia, and old-school beatings. Take away all the gunz without solving the problem that's really causing all the deaths, and we'll just get more deaths without bullets.

Your solution is akin to a cure for measles that just makes the spots go away.
 
2021-12-05 9:06:20 PM  

bluejeansonfire: Reform has been tried and has failed repeatedly.

"Defund," while being a completely rational and correct course of action, has been rejected by white liberals because they're afraid it's too aggressive of a slogan and will make the racists mad or something.

There aren't really any peaceful options left. And the police absolutely need to be defanged and declawed.


Reform has been tried and failed because all reform efforts inevitably stop.

What people in general and police reformers as it pertains to this discussion in particular always forget is that it's not sufficient to change A thing for ONE time. It has to be continuous, ongoing, and evolving. It's not enough, for instance, to disband the CRASH squad when it became apparent that they were completely off the rails; the entire unit should have been fired and prevented from being cops again (they were not; the current chief of LAPD was a CRASH member), everyone involved in forming the unit should have been investigated and possibly indicted, and steps taken to ensure such a detail was never created again. These things were not done.

"Reforming" the cops (or indeed anyone or anything) doesn't mean fixing the instant problem, it means digging down to the root of the issue and cleaning out everything that caused it, and then being vigilant from here on out that if the same problem starts to recur that it gets crushed immediately. For instance, "diversity training" isn't something that gets done once or twice and a few flyers get tacked on the squad room bulletin board; if "diversity training" was actually being done, it would have become part of the police culture by now, since it's been a thing since the 1970s. But everyone figured "well, we did it once, so we're good!" and then funding was cut till the next time the problem came up.

Stop thinking of it as "reform" think of it as structural rehabilitation, that will need annual inspection just like an elevator or pipes in a building. "Reform" ends. Inspections do not.
 
2021-12-05 9:15:27 PM  

Pert: Police in Maine have shot people 175 times since 1990.

Wow. Here are the figures for the entire UK, population c60m.

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Those UK numbers are for fatal shootings.
 
2021-12-05 9:16:44 PM  
The rain, in Maine, falls mainly on the plain.
 
2021-12-05 9:20:22 PM  

Gyrfalcon: bluejeansonfire: Reform has been tried and has failed repeatedly.

"Defund," while being a completely rational and correct course of action, has been rejected by white liberals because they're afraid it's too aggressive of a slogan and will make the racists mad or something.

There aren't really any peaceful options left. And the police absolutely need to be defanged and declawed.

Reform has been tried and failed because all reform efforts inevitably stop.

What people in general and police reformers as it pertains to this discussion in particular always forget is that it's not sufficient to change A thing for ONE time. It has to be continuous, ongoing, and evolving. It's not enough, for instance, to disband the CRASH squad when it became apparent that they were completely off the rails; the entire unit should have been fired and prevented from being cops again (they were not; the current chief of LAPD was a CRASH member), everyone involved in forming the unit should have been investigated and possibly indicted, and steps taken to ensure such a detail was never created again. These things were not done.

"Reforming" the cops (or indeed anyone or anything) doesn't mean fixing the instant problem, it means digging down to the root of the issue and cleaning out everything that caused it, and then being vigilant from here on out that if the same problem starts to recur that it gets crushed immediately. For instance, "diversity training" isn't something that gets done once or twice and a few flyers get tacked on the squad room bulletin board; if "diversity training" was actually being done, it would have become part of the police culture by now, since it's been a thing since the 1970s. But everyone figured "well, we did it once, so we're good!" and then funding was cut till the next time the problem came up.

Stop thinking of it as "reform" think of it as structural rehabilitation, that will need annual inspection just like an elevator or pipes in a building. "Reform" ends. Inspections do not.


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2021-12-05 9:22:30 PM  

Pert: Police in Maine have shot people 175 times since 1990.

Wow. Here are the figures for the entire UK, population c60m.

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That's not even apples and oranges... that is like comparing a book against a degree program.

The average person, in England, do not have firearms.
 
2021-12-05 9:46:35 PM  

1funguy: Pert: Police in Maine have shot people 175 times since 1990.

Wow. Here are the figures for the entire UK, population c60m.

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Maybe they just aren't good marksmen..?

/ jk


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2021-12-05 10:20:11 PM  

Sexy Jesus: The police are bodyguards for the people who sold the American legacy to China and block every attempt to make the pursuit of happiness a reality for the masses.  Same as it ever was.


1992 Rodney King riots

1994 Feds throw more money at  police forces nationwide than ever before

/and a few tanks and stuff
//no way was that happening again
 
2021-12-05 10:26:46 PM  

Squik2: TFA: "People (think), 'Oh, it's Maine, it's idyllic'"

ha!


I remember seeing a documentary about one village in Maine where they had at least one murder a week.
 
2021-12-06 12:40:31 AM  
The AG's office has ruled police were justified every time.

The AG doesn't want to die.
 
2021-12-06 7:42:16 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: We need to start treating the police like the criminals they are.  No one steals from or murders more Americans than the police.


you really believe this don't you.
 
2021-12-06 8:30:03 AM  

LordJiro: It doesn't need 'reform'. The entire farking system needs to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up.


pointing to something and saying it needs a thing to happen without a solution isn't really helpful.  what does your rebuilt system look like and how will it stop the issues you believe are the problem in the existing system?
 
2021-12-06 8:32:51 AM  
indy_kid:
1 shooting and you're on probation. 2 - regardless if it's a righteous shoot or not - and you're fired. That will make them think a lot about that first shoot.

you are a farking moron.
 
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