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2021-12-05 1:13:41 PM  
All SEC final in play.
 
2021-12-05 1:25:19 PM  
-14, O/U 57.5

Cincinnati and the over.  Book it people.

no do not take gambling advice from me, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about
 
2021-12-05 2:02:40 PM  
Georgia will get another shot at Alabama. Cincinnati doesn't belong, despite their record. They play mostly a JV schedule.
 
2021-12-05 2:36:14 PM  

Badmoodman: Georgia will get another shot at Alabama. Cincinnati doesn't belong, despite their record. They play mostly a JV schedule.


If a team doesn't deserve a slot but got one anyways, say who should have gotten one over them. Compare resumes.

If a team deserves a slot but didn't get one, say who got a slot that was not deserved. Compare resumes.

Data does not exist in a vacuum.
 
2021-12-05 2:37:34 PM  
Also, Subby...

1-A playoffs. This "FBS" and "FCS" stuff is idiotic.
 
2021-12-05 2:40:07 PM  

WoodyHayes: Badmoodman: Georgia will get another shot at Alabama. Cincinnati doesn't belong, despite their record. They play mostly a JV schedule.

If a team doesn't deserve a slot but got one anyways, say who should have gotten one over them. Compare resumes.

If a team deserves a slot but didn't get one, say who got a slot that was not deserved. Compare resumes.

Data does not exist in a vacuum.



Hmm, who do you suppose WoodyHayes wants in that foursome?
 
2021-12-05 2:58:53 PM  

WoodyHayes: Also, Subby...

1-A playoffs. This "FBS" and "FCS" stuff is idiotic.


You should write a strongly worded letter to the manager of college football.
 
2021-12-05 3:08:54 PM  

Badmoodman: WoodyHayes: Badmoodman: Georgia will get another shot at Alabama. Cincinnati doesn't belong, despite their record. They play mostly a JV schedule.

If a team doesn't deserve a slot but got one anyways, say who should have gotten one over them. Compare resumes.

If a team deserves a slot but didn't get one, say who got a slot that was not deserved. Compare resumes.

Data does not exist in a vacuum.


Hmm, who do you suppose WoodyHayes wants in that foursome?


I see that I have no choice but to live up to my own statements when it comes to resumes.

Alabama is an embarrassingly low 23rd in ToP while the mighty Black Knights of the Hudson are 1st.

Bump Alabama, and give that slot to Army.

Dr. Martin Luther King: "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

I see not how any man who thinks of himself as possessing character could possibly sleep when he sees what is going on in this world, something announced on national TV without a hint of shame for a robbery of such proportions.
 
2021-12-05 3:09:41 PM  
Yep the committee did exactly what it was told to do after Georgia tanked.

The sport is controlled by SECSPN
 
2021-12-05 4:27:17 PM  

puffy999: Yep the committee did exactly what it was told to do after Georgia tanked.

The sport is controlled by SECSPN


I dislike the SEC as much as the next college fan. but to think that Georgia tanked to let Alabama in and presumably have to beat them in the final is nonsense.

Frankly ESPN is probably over the moon to have a starving fanbase like Michigan in the mix. That probably singlehandedly saves the NYE television ratings, and should Michigan crash the all SEC final it probably brings bigger ratings than a Bama Georgia rematch.
 
2021-12-05 4:33:02 PM  

WoodyHayes: Bump Alabama, and give that slot to Army.


Bump Georgia and give that slot to Mount Union
 
2021-12-05 4:35:40 PM  
Cincinatti deserves recognition for going undefeated, and being fed to lions is a form of recognition, I guess.

There will be blood.
 
2021-12-05 4:38:28 PM  
I would have liked to see Michigan vs Cincinnati.  I think that would have been a fun game to watch.

It is incredibly likely we see Georgia vs Alabama again.
 
2021-12-05 4:40:05 PM  

kukukupo: I would have liked to see Michigan vs Cincinnati.  I think that would have been a fun game to watch.

It is incredibly likely we see Georgia vs Alabama again.


Michigan/Georgia might be a good game, or Georgia might be mad about Atlanta and somehow blame Michigan...
 
2021-12-05 4:44:07 PM  
Why can't anyone ever spell Sincenateee correctly?
 
2021-12-05 4:45:43 PM  
6th -grade spelling error, -2
 
2021-12-05 4:46:26 PM  

Stud Gerbil: WoodyHayes: Bump Alabama, and give that slot to Army.

Bump Georgia and give that slot to Mount Union


We still have yet to make it up to Alliance for a game. The timing of an Ohio State bye week, a Mount Union home game, and something not coming up are hard ones to get to fall right.

I'd also love to see a Youngstown State game one of these years which I assume you've done.
 
2021-12-05 4:48:10 PM  

Stephen_Falken: 6th -grade spelling error, -2


My mnemonic device is that the Cincinnati Reds are the Cin Cinna Tireds.
 
2021-12-05 4:59:44 PM  

DaintySavage: Why can't anyone ever spell Sincenateee correctly?


Because nobody from anywhere else cares?
 
2021-12-05 5:02:35 PM  

puffy999: Yep the committee did exactly what it was told to do after Georgia tanked.

The sport is controlled by SECSPN


I subscribe4 to this complete and ovearching theory ofr all things coillege football.

Can Iborrow some tinfoil and a rabbit ears antenna ? Gotta make a hat
 
2021-12-05 5:04:49 PM  
Cincinnati vs Alabama is free money. I think I should bet on this game.
 
2021-12-05 5:05:33 PM  
Cincinnati should've played Michigan, and Alabama should have their rematch with Georgia in the semi-finals. This would've avoided a very likely all-SEC final. Because remember the last time we had an all-SEC championship, Alabama and LSU in that rematch title game that was so bad it tanked the rating enough to finally convince the BCS to actually switch to a playoff model?

Yes, having an immediate rematch is less-than-appealing, but what's worse? A boring rematch in the semifinals, or a boring rematch in the finals?
 
2021-12-05 5:10:10 PM  

DaintySavage: Why can't anyone ever spell Sincenateee correctly?


The people that founded and Chritened that place could not be bullied into spelling it correctly, so why should anyone else?
 
2021-12-05 5:19:00 PM  

Arxane: Cincinnati should've played Michigan, and Alabama should have their rematch with Georgia in the semi-finals. This would've avoided a very likely all-SEC final. Because remember the last time we had an all-SEC championship, Alabama and LSU in that rematch title game that was so bad it tanked the rating enough to finally convince the BCS to actually switch to a playoff model?

Yes, having an immediate rematch is less-than-appealing, but what's worse? A boring rematch in the semifinals, or a boring rematch in the finals?


The last time there was an all SEC championship was 2017 when Alabama defeated Georgia.
 
2021-12-05 5:24:32 PM  

kukukupo: I would have liked to see Michigan vs Cincinnati.  I think that would have been a fun game to watch.

It is incredibly likely we see Georgia vs Alabama again.


I won't be seeing it if it happens. I could care less about a rematch of the SEC championship.
 
2021-12-05 5:50:34 PM  

CheatCommando: kukukupo: I would have liked to see Michigan vs Cincinnati.  I think that would have been a fun game to watch.

It is incredibly likely we see Georgia vs Alabama again.

I won't be seeing it if it happens. I could care less about a rematch of the SEC championship.


For me, it's not even that it's (yet again) another SEC-fest.

It's that pundits can prognosticate, computers compute, both busy coaches and clueless sportswriters can vote. But in the end, the real test is to play the game and win. 

Georgia had their shot at Alabama and lost. Give Baylor, Oklahoma State, or Notre Dame a shot.
 
2021-12-05 5:53:38 PM  

bcostlow: CheatCommando: kukukupo: I would have liked to see Michigan vs Cincinnati.  I think that would have been a fun game to watch.

It is incredibly likely we see Georgia vs Alabama again.

I won't be seeing it if it happens. I could care less about a rematch of the SEC championship.

For me, it's not even that it's (yet again) another SEC-fest.

It's that pundits can prognosticate, computers compute, both busy coaches and clueless sportswriters can vote. But in the end, the real test is to play the game and win. 

Georgia had their shot at Alabama and lost. Give Baylor, Oklahoma State, or Notre Dame a shot.


It's the College Football Playoffs. It's not the "have you played Alabama" playoffs.
 
2021-12-05 6:02:15 PM  

bcostlow: For me, it's not even that it's (yet again) another SEC-fest.

It's that pundits can prognosticate, computers compute, both busy coaches and clueless sportswriters can vote. But in the end, the real test is to play the game and win. 

Georgia had their shot at Alabama and lost. Give Baylor, Oklahoma State, or Notre Dame a shot.


I'm a big fan of one shot a year only but if we're going by "the four best teams" as the deciding factor, admittedly without having gone over any metrics I'd have a difficult time finding justification for knocking Georgia out.
 
2021-12-05 6:02:24 PM  
Michigan is an opening -800 to win it all, get yer bets in!
 
2021-12-05 6:02:26 PM  

bcostlow: CheatCommando: kukukupo: I would have liked to see Michigan vs Cincinnati.  I think that would have been a fun game to watch.

It is incredibly likely we see Georgia vs Alabama again.

I won't be seeing it if it happens. I could care less about a rematch of the SEC championship.

For me, it's not even that it's (yet again) another SEC-fest.

It's that pundits can prognosticate, computers compute, both busy coaches and clueless sportswriters can vote. But in the end, the real test is to play the game and win. 

Georgia had their shot at Alabama and lost. Give Baylor, Oklahoma State, or Notre Dame a shot.


The Notre Dame that played two games against ranked opponents this year and lost half of them?
 
2021-12-05 6:14:11 PM  

puffy999: The sport is controlled by SECSPN


Let's not forget that the whole "S-E-C! S-E-C!" thing really dates back to 2004, when an undefeated Auburn was excluded from the BCS Championship game because Oklahoma was also undefeated, even though the Sooners' best win was a 12-0 victory over Texas. 

Now, I'm not going to act like I'm unbiased since one of the two colleges I've attended plays in the SEC. Instead, I'm going to pose this question to WoodyHayessince I know he'll answer in a completely fair manner:

Should an Oklahoma/ Texas game determine who plays for a National Championship?
A) No, especially since half the points scored were by the kicker, which is the most soccer part of football.
B) Yes, as long as either Darrell K. Royal or Barry Switzer is on the sidelines, both teams are running the wishbone, and Keith Jackson is in the broadcast booth. Otherwise, no.
C) Seriously- in 1988, Oklahoma ran for 768 yards in a single game against Kansas State. 72 attempts, 10.7 yards per carry. That's manly football. Bob Stoops going "Ooh, we're going to throw it all over the place" in Norman was the coaching equivalent of going into the Sistine Chapel, looking up at the ceiling, and then squatting down to take a dump.
D) All of the above.

Now, whatever school you cheer for, they're allowed to invest in facilities and coaches like an SEC program does. There's really nothing stopping them, and if they do, they'll probably get a similar level of media attention and national TV as the SEC does. But claiming there's an SEC bias is kind of like claiming there's an educational bias towards Boston. Just because they've got Harvard and MIT doesn't mean they're always the best- the College Board is biased!
 
2021-12-05 6:16:06 PM  
Bump Alabama for anyone.
 
2021-12-05 6:18:42 PM  

Gonz: puffy999:

Now, whatever school you cheer for, they're allowed to invest in facilities and coaches like an SEC program does. There's really nothing stopping them, and if they do, they'll probably get a similar level of media attention and national TV as the SEC does. But claiming there's an SEC bias is kind of like claiming there's an educational bias towards Boston. Just because they've got Harvard and MIT doesn't mean they're always the best- the College Board is biased!


Gee and I thought the purpose of a University was to educate, not to play football. The NFL should be forced to create a D league and pay for it.
 
2021-12-05 6:27:09 PM  

CheatCommando: Gee and I thought the purpose of a University was to educate, not to play football. The NFL should be forced to create a D league and pay for it.


There's this multi-billion dollar business in America called the NFL.

If an 18-year-old wants to make millions in Business, they look to Harvard. If they want to be a lawyer, they look at Yale. If they want to engineer things for NASA, they look at Cal Tech. If they want to learn cybersecurity from the NSA, they look at UTSA. If they want to work in tourism and hospitality, they look at UNLV.

If they want to go into the NFL, they ought to look at the schools that have programs that get kids those jobs. And right now, the SEC in general (and Alabama in particular) has the best programs in the nation for kids who want to major in football. And it's not really different than a Harvard MBA, just for a different field.
 
2021-12-05 6:28:53 PM  

Gonz: CheatCommando: Gee and I thought the purpose of a University was to educate, not to play football. The NFL should be forced to create a D league and pay for it.

There's this multi-billion dollar business in America called the NFL.

If an 18-year-old wants to make millions in Business, they look to Harvard. If they want to be a lawyer, they look at Yale. If they want to engineer things for NASA, they look at Cal Tech. If they want to learn cybersecurity from the NSA, they look at UTSA. If they want to work in tourism and hospitality, they look at UNLV.

If they want to go into the NFL, they ought to look at the schools that have programs that get kids those jobs. And right now, the SEC in general (and Alabama in particular) has the best programs in the nation for kids who want to major in football. And it's not really different than a Harvard MBA, just for a different field.


Then why is the head of the medical school at Harvard paid less than a D1 football coach? It's bullshiat. The NFL has the money to pay for its own minor league
 
2021-12-05 6:37:01 PM  
Jesus, stop with the "give ND a shot". ND is a joke of a team that in no way shape or form can hang with the big boys. This isn't the farking 50s or whenever the last time those puds were good was.
 
2021-12-05 6:42:06 PM  
Shoot, I say the NFL- how many people does football employ in the city where you live? Either full or part time?

Every high school coach. The head coach might just do it, the assistants probably teach as well. The high school athletics director. If there's a college in your city, there's probably a football program. 

The grounds crew. The radio announcer. The radio tech who gets the announcer's voice over the airwaves. And so on. Let's not act like sports exist in a vacuum.

And when 90,000 people show up 6 times a year to watch the Harvard medical school guy perform a surgery, then he should definitely ask for a higher salary. Supply, demand, and scarcity all have an effect on economics. Dude with an MBA from Harvard Business coulda told you that, but it would cost you to learn.
 
2021-12-05 6:43:05 PM  

Gonz: Let's not forget that the whole "S-E-C! S-E-C!" thing really dates back to 2004, when an undefeated Auburn was excluded from the BCS Championship game because Oklahoma was also undefeated, even though the Sooners' best win was a 12-0 victory over Texas.


That was the year when Auburn had the lowest SoS of the three involved teams, sucks for those down in Auburn but it is what it is. Somebody had to be watching from the couch and SoS decided that one.

Gonz: Now, I'm not going to act like I'm unbiased since one of the two colleges I've attended plays in the SEC. Instead, I'm going to pose this question to WoodyHayessince I know he'll answer in a completely fair manner:


Uh oh.

Gonz: Should an Oklahoma/ Texas game determine who plays for a National Championship?


I believe this is in jest so forgive me for reading it as is but a SoS decides which is comprised of individual games. I'm in something of a rush here so I've not the time to craft a better answer or to play off of you.

Gonz: B) Yes, as long as either Darrell K. Royal or Barry Switzer is on the sidelines, both teams are running the wishbone, and Keith Jackson is in the broadcast booth. Otherwise, no.


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2021-12-05 6:44:50 PM  

CheatCommando: Then why is the head of the medical school at Harvard paid less than a D1 football coach? It's bullshiat.


Why is the head of the Marshall University Joan C. Edwards School of Medicine paid less than the head of Harvard Medical? It's bullshiat- hospitals can pay to educate their doctors.
 
2021-12-05 6:46:22 PM  

CheatCommando: Then why is the head of the medical school at Harvard paid less than a D1 football coach? It's bullshiat. The NFL has the money to pay for its own minor league


Harvard is private, their priorities are dictated by their passions.

A public school's payments to their head football coach are dictated by the passion of their alumni.
 
2021-12-05 6:57:13 PM  
It should be simple: Win your conference, or sit out the playoffs.

This also eliminates another point: There should never be more than one team in a given conference in the playoffs.
 
2021-12-05 7:07:12 PM  

LesserEvil: It should be simple: Win your conference, or sit out the playoffs.

This also eliminates another point: There should never be more than one team in a given conference in the playoffs.


I couldn't agree with either of these points harder if I tried. 

Now, I also believe that conferences should be limited to 10 schools, and your conference schedule should be "home and home with everybody, forever" and head-to-head is the tiebreaker. That gives room for 2 cupcakes and one game against somebody else who thinks they can play on your level. And let's be honest- we'd all tune in to Miami/ Auburn or Oregon/ Virginia Tech.
 
2021-12-05 7:32:38 PM  

LesserEvil: This also eliminates another point: There should never be more than one team in a given conference in the playoffs.


It should be the best 4 teams.
 
2021-12-05 7:46:35 PM  

bcostlow: Georgia had their shot at Alabama and lost. Give Baylor, Oklahoma State, or Notre Dame a shot.


Notre Dame had their shot at Cincinnati and lost.
 
2021-12-05 8:28:38 PM  
Make the P5 champs go through traditional bowl tie-ins (ACC: Peach or Orange; Big XII: Cotton or Orange; Big Ten: Rose; PAC 12: Rose; SEC: Sugar) against at-large teams, pair up the undefeated G5 team against the top at-large bid, and have the top four ranked bowl winners (or top 3 and the undefeated G5 if they win) in the four team playoff.

Peach: #4 Cincinnati vs. #3 Georgia
Fiesta: #9 Oklahoma St vs. #6 Ohio St
Orange: #5 Notre Dame vs. #12 Pitt
Cotton: #8 Ole Miss vs. #7 Baylor
Rose: #11 Utah vs. #2 Michigan
Sugar: #10 Michigan St vs. #1 Alabama

There.  Bowls not only retain importance, but now they're even more important.  You're only adding one game instead of two or three under the expanded playoff proposals, and undefeated G5 teams no longer can say they're being shut out for no reason, but they also have to put up or shut up.
 
2021-12-05 9:35:17 PM  

Stud Gerbil: WoodyHayes: Bump Alabama, and give that slot to Army.

Bump Georgia and give that slot to Mount Union


Oddly Mount Union had a bad weekend. Needed to go to overtime to win in the quarters even though it was like 600 yards to 200 something. They'll be on the road in the semis and underdogs for the first time in a while
 
2021-12-05 9:38:26 PM  

WoodyHayes: Gonz: Let's not forget that the whole "S-E-C! S-E-C!" thing really dates back to 2004, when an undefeated Auburn was excluded from the BCS Championship game because Oklahoma was also undefeated, even though the Sooners' best win was a 12-0 victory over Texas.

That was the year when Auburn had the lowest SoS of the three involved teams, sucks for those down in Auburn but it is what it is. Somebody had to be watching from the couch and SoS decided that one.

Gonz: Now, I'm not going to act like I'm unbiased since one of the two colleges I've attended plays in the SEC. Instead, I'm going to pose this question to WoodyHayessince I know he'll answer in a completely fair manner:

Uh oh.

Gonz: Should an Oklahoma/ Texas game determine who plays for a National Championship?

I believe this is in jest so forgive me for reading it as is but a SoS decides which is comprised of individual games. I'm in something of a rush here so I've not the time to craft a better answer or to play off of you.

Gonz: B) Yes, as long as either Darrell K. Royal or Barry Switzer is on the sidelines, both teams are running the wishbone, and Keith Jackson is in the broadcast booth. Otherwise, no.

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And they'd had their asses handed to them in back-to-back years by USC so no one was real interested in seeing a third game.

/The real travesty was LSU getting to play a fraud Oklahoma team that lost their CCG 35-7
//USC lost to a Cal team led by Aaron Rodgers on the road by a FG in 3OT. Apparently that was far worse than getting your ass blasted to end the season
///The one thing that we can all agree on is that Oklahoma is trash and the state being involved in anything ruins it
 
2021-12-05 9:40:06 PM  

mjbok: LesserEvil: This also eliminates another point: There should never be more than one team in a given conference in the playoffs.

It should be the best 4 teams.


And if you lost your CCG, congrats, you just got eliminated from the first round.
 
2021-12-05 10:06:49 PM  
Alabama shouldn't be there anyway. FFS, they lost to an unranked team.
 
2021-12-05 10:28:58 PM  

WoodyHayes: Stud Gerbil: WoodyHayes: Bump Alabama, and give that slot to Army.

Bump Georgia and give that slot to Mount Union

We still have yet to make it up to Alliance for a game. The timing of an Ohio State bye week, a Mount Union home game, and something not coming up are hard ones to get to fall right.

I'd also love to see a Youngstown State game one of these years which I assume you've done.


Been to the Ice Palace many times.   The Tressel years were really something.   Bo Pelini, bless his heart, took us to the big game once and wore out his welcome pretty quickly after that.
 
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