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2021-12-05 1:23:20 PM  
That sounds like Hell on Earth. And now   there's also Covid
 
2021-12-05 2:17:54 PM  
Prior to disembarking in New Orleans, each person on board will be tested for the coronavirus. Anyone who tests positive will either go directly home or self-isolate in accommodations provided by the cruise line, officials said.


Every one of them needs to be in quarantine for 2 weeks, positive or not.
 
2021-12-05 2:29:49 PM  
Just have every passenger take these in advance. There problem solved.

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2021-12-05 2:33:52 PM  
Ten seems pretty good, out of thousands.
 
2021-12-05 2:34:00 PM  
"Anyone who tests positive will either go directly home or self-isolate in accommodations provided by the cruise line, officials said"

uh huh, sure.  Straight home, on their flight home, with other people.  Or, straight home, then to the store, then off to see friends.
 
2021-12-05 2:35:54 PM  

New Rising Sun: "Anyone who tests positive will either go directly home or self-isolate in accommodations provided by the cruise line, officials said"

uh huh, sure.  Straight home, on their flight home, with other people.  Or, straight home, then to the store, then off to see friends.


Not the cruise line's job to police them after they leave. That's up to the country.
 
2021-12-05 2:40:47 PM  

austerity101: Ten seems pretty good, out of thousands.


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2021-12-05 2:47:21 PM  
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2021-12-05 2:52:44 PM  

GardenWeasel: Prior to disembarking in New Orleans, each person on board will be tested for the coronavirus. Anyone who tests positive will either go directly home or self-isolate in accommodations provided by the cruise line, officials said.


Every one of them needs to be in quarantine for 2 weeks, positive or not.


But its good that they managed to make 3 landings in Central America, to share the fun.
 
2021-12-05 2:57:50 PM  

GardenWeasel: Every one of them needs to be in quarantine for 2 weeks, positive or not.


Send them around again

/no stops this time
 
2021-12-05 2:59:49 PM  
Landing in New Orleans?

SHOW US YOUR TITS NEGATIVE TEST!

*throws beads*
 
2021-12-05 3:02:06 PM  
Perspective: it was 10 people positive out of 3200.

Do you remember the Diamond Princess almost two years ago, which had basically the same number of people on board but 700 cases and 9 people died.  And that was with OG, far-less-transmissible strain.

I'm assuming everyone was vaccinated. You're going to get some breakthroughs with delta.  That's a pretty low rate.  Compared to the Diamond Princess that's like a 98% efficacy (although that's a bad comparison for a bunch of reasons).  Yes, everyone should be given a PCR test today, and isolate and take another one in 5 days, but this isn't 2020, we don't need to lock everyone up for 2 weeks anymore.

You shouldn't go on cruises if you don't want to risk diseases.
 
2021-12-05 3:02:42 PM  
So, only ten had fake vaccination cards?
 
2021-12-05 3:06:57 PM  
Everyone is getting it one way or another. We need to rip the band aid off. But safety uber allas. Our leaders are unwise cowards.
 
2021-12-05 3:07:33 PM  
They used to call it cold season
 
2021-12-05 3:08:29 PM  
I had really hoped this pandemic would finally kill off the cruise industry. Those things are plague vectors in normal times.

And don't get me started on the "we visited 6 Caribbean nations" nonsense. No, you docked at six places and stayed in the immediate vicinity for a few hours where it is nothing like the rest of the country, and you experienced nothing of their cultures. And no, pinewood carvings of elephants aren't a thing in Jamaican culture; they import those and mark them up 2000% for your dumbass. Ever seen a pine tree there? No? How about an elephant?
 
2021-12-05 3:09:10 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: GardenWeasel: Every one of them needs to be in quarantine for 2 weeks, positive or not.

Send them around again

/no stops this time


Or take off the positive cases and keep the others on board for two weeks. They took their chances by HAVING to go on a cruise, now it's consequence time. And it's on the cruise line's dime.
 
2021-12-05 3:10:31 PM  

BobCumbers: Everyone is getting it one way or another. We need to rip the band aid off. But safety uber allas. Our leaders are unwise cowards.


If you're going to make the thinly-veiled comparison to Nazis, you should learn to spell alles, and über.
 
2021-12-05 3:12:28 PM  

jaivirtualcard: Just have every passenger take these in advance. There problem solved.

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Those flavor crystals frighten me.
 
2021-12-05 3:12:56 PM  
Getting a kick since I just got back from a 7 day cruise from Mexico.

/Couldn't put a face to any cruise personnel besides the entertainment staff.
//All of them we're properly wearing KN-95s like me.
///Wish that could be said of my fellow passengers, even with masks being mandatory in many close proximity settings.
////Avoided most of those, sat away from people when eating.
//Cost less than $1000 for two people with all the expenses.
//Didn't fly.
//First long cruise I have not gotten sick on ever.
//So far!
//Triple Triple slashies
 
2021-12-05 3:15:06 PM  

jaivirtualcard: Just have every passenger take these in advance. There problem solved.

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That's a helluva suppository!
 
2021-12-05 3:15:31 PM  

GardenWeasel: Prior to disembarking in New Orleans, each person on board will be tested for the coronavirus. Anyone who tests positive will either go directly home or self-isolate in accommodations provided by the cruise line, officials said.


Every one of them needs to be in quarantine for 2 weeks, positive or not.


It's a personal choice!
 
2021-12-05 3:15:54 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: I had really hoped this pandemic would finally kill off the cruise industry. Those things are plague vectors in normal times.

And don't get me started on the "we visited 6 Caribbean nations" nonsense. No, you docked at six places and stayed in the immediate vicinity for a few hours where it is nothing like the rest of the country, and you experienced nothing of their cultures. And no, pinewood carvings of elephants aren't a thing in Jamaican culture; they import those and mark them up 2000% for your dumbass. Ever seen a pine tree there? No? How about an elephant?


Yes, I too wish things I don't personally enjoy didn't exist because the world is about me alone.

/wants to be on a big boat and not be able to see land
//most ports are tourist traps
///more days marked "At Sea" the better
 
2021-12-05 3:18:49 PM  
FarkerMcFarkface:
//First long cruise I have not gotten sick on ever.

Why do you keep going?
 
2021-12-05 3:22:34 PM  

New Rising Sun: "Anyone who tests positive will either go directly home or self-isolate in accommodations provided by the cruise line, officials said"

uh huh, sure.  Straight home, on their flight home, with other people.  Or, straight home, then to the store, then off to see friends.


What is with this assumption that everyone that gets COVID is just itching to get out there and infect others?

/tested positive 12 days ago
//symptom-free for nearly a week by end of 10-day quarantine
///went to my job on day 11
 
2021-12-05 3:24:22 PM  
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But let's reopen the economy right?
 
2021-12-05 3:24:31 PM  
10 out of 3200?

The virus looks at the time its feeble ancestor infected virtually the entire complement aboard the Diamond Princess in a matter of two weeks and screams in frustration.
 
2021-12-05 3:24:53 PM  

GardenWeasel: Prior to disembarking in New Orleans, each person on board will be tested for the coronavirus. Anyone who tests positive will either go directly home or self-isolate in accommodations provided by the cruise line, officials said.


Every one of them needs to be in quarantine for 2 weeks, positive or not.


That's sense, not money, talking. Money says "If you can't prove they can't spend me, let 'em spend me."
 
2021-12-05 3:26:03 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: BobCumbers: Everyone is getting it one way or another. We need to rip the band aid off. But safety uber allas. Our leaders are unwise cowards.

If you're going to make the thinly-veiled comparison to Nazis, you should learn to spell alles, and über.


...that may have been the joke, TBH.
 
2021-12-05 3:27:30 PM  

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As intelligence isn't contagious, and our culture has provided everything from "home-schooling" to "mansplaining" with which to inoculate against education, I wouldn't hold your breath...

...although, at this point, maybe holding your breath isn't a bad idea...
 
2021-12-05 3:33:23 PM  

DemonEater: Perspective: it was 10 people positive out of 3200.

Do you remember the Diamond Princess almost two years ago, which had basically the same number of people on board but 700 cases and 9 people died.  And that was with OG, far-less-transmissible strain.

I'm assuming everyone was vaccinated. You're going to get some breakthroughs with delta.  That's a pretty low rate.  Compared to the Diamond Princess that's like a 98% efficacy (although that's a bad comparison for a bunch of reasons).  Yes, everyone should be given a PCR test today, and isolate and take another one in 5 days, but this isn't 2020, we don't need to lock everyone up for 2 weeks anymore.

You shouldn't go on cruises if you don't want to risk diseases.


100000000% this.
 
2021-12-05 3:36:33 PM  
Lousy never-ending Smarch 2020.
 
2021-12-05 3:36:41 PM  

KingOfTown: New Rising Sun: "Anyone who tests positive will either go directly home or self-isolate in accommodations provided by the cruise line, officials said"

uh huh, sure.  Straight home, on their flight home, with other people.  Or, straight home, then to the store, then off to see friends.

What is with this assumption that everyone that gets COVID is just itching to get out there and infect others?

/tested positive 12 days ago
//symptom-free for nearly a week by end of 10-day quarantine
///went to my job on day 11


I'm betting the percentage of those who don't care if they infect others is higher among those who are willing to go on cruises right now.  You didn't go on a cruise, did you? Neither did most cautious people.
 
2021-12-05 3:38:10 PM  
Allowing people to continue travel all over the world during the pandemic is rather stupid, especially as that is what brought us the pandemic in the first place...  no big surprise there, as humanity is getting dumber by the day..  brought to us by the 'Me' generation..
 
2021-12-05 3:40:47 PM  

austerity101: KingOfTown: New Rising Sun: "Anyone who tests positive will either go directly home or self-isolate in accommodations provided by the cruise line, officials said"

uh huh, sure.  Straight home, on their flight home, with other people.  Or, straight home, then to the store, then off to see friends.

What is with this assumption that everyone that gets COVID is just itching to get out there and infect others?

/tested positive 12 days ago
//symptom-free for nearly a week by end of 10-day quarantine
///went to my job on day 11

I'm betting the percentage of those who don't care if they infect others is higher among those who are willing to go on cruises right now.  You didn't go on a cruise, did you? Neither did most cautious people.


Cautious people != People that won't go on cruises

/ship leaves SD on 1/2
//chose a line that doesn't allow vaccine exemptions
///triple-vaxxed AND recovered
 
2021-12-05 3:48:08 PM  
One thing I thought was interesting in reading through current cruise policies is that many allow you to cancel with a "cruise credit" if you cancel with over 48 hours of embarkation.  While this is MUCH more flexible then traditional policies, you would have to rebook, and the credits expire at some point (and who knows when this endemic will end, could be years)

However, if you test positive 48 hours before embarkation, they refund your money.

The testing thing (requiring a negative test within a few days before embarkation) just seems somewhat problematic.  If you get Covid you can still test positive from that infection for 90 days, even though you  stop spreading it after 10 days.  With Omicron being highly transmissible, but not a high risk for severe disease (at least as far as we know so far), I foresee a ton of upcoming positive test refunds.

Just seems to me the policy should be more about getting the onboard vaccinated percentage to 100% (particularly now that children 5+ can get vaccinated, just don't allow children under 5 until they are eligible).  Testing shouldn't be required at that point, since even if you get Covid, you're not very likely to get seriously sick.

Just seems like the risk of contracting a serious case of Covid with a 100% vaccinated cruise ship is no greater then, say, the risk of getting a serious case of norovirus on a cruise ship.
 
2021-12-05 3:50:18 PM  

Mugato: That sounds like Hell on Earth. And now   there's also Covid


What kind of weird person DOESN'T enjoy swingers and food poisoning?
 
2021-12-05 4:03:08 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: I had really hoped this pandemic would finally kill off the cruise industry. Those things are plague vectors in normal times.

And don't get me started on the "we visited 6 Caribbean nations" nonsense. No, you docked at six places and stayed in the immediate vicinity for a few hours where it is nothing like the rest of the country, and you experienced nothing of their cultures. And no, pinewood carvings of elephants aren't a thing in Jamaican culture; they import those and mark them up 2000% for your dumbass. Ever seen a pine tree there? No? How about an elephant?


Here's the thing that cruise critics don't get about them: They're a relatively inexpensive "destination" vacations, especially if you live within driving distance of a cruise port.

Depending on the cabin, you can easily find 5-day cruises that goes to the Caribbean for under $500 for two people (so $250 a person). For lower income people, that's a fabulous deal.

(I also have friends who live in Southern port cities who do 3-day cruises that span the weekend all of the time because it's a super-cheap weekend getaway.)

/I hate cruises, but I don't hate people who are looking for a good vacation deal
 
2021-12-05 4:07:19 PM  

BobCumbers: Everyone is getting it one way or another. We need to rip the band aid off. But safety uber allas. Our leaders are unwise cowards.


Even if everyone will get it sooner or later, you should want it to be "later". Treatments are improving, new drugs are being developed, and we're still rolling out vaccines.

At a minimum, you should be doing everything you can to reduce community transmission until the hospitals are able to get back to pre-pandemic case loads and people are able to catch up on all the non-emergency treatments which they had to delay due to resource and staffing shortages.
 
2021-12-05 4:09:54 PM  

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2021-12-05 4:11:42 PM  
DemonEater: Perspective: it was 10 people positive out of 3200.

Do you remember the Diamond Princess almost two years ago, which had basically the same number of people on board but 700 cases and 9 people died.  And that was with OG, far-less-transmissible strain.

I'm assuming everyone was vaccinated. You're going to get some breakthroughs with delta.  That's a pretty low rate.  Compared to the Diamond Princess that's like a 98% efficacy (although that's a bad comparison for a bunch of reasons).  Yes, everyone should be given a PCR test today, and isolate and take another one in 5 days, but this isn't 2020, we don't need to lock everyone up for 2 weeks anymore.

You shouldn't go on cruises if you don't want to risk diseases.

I'm assuming everyone was vaccinated
I'm assuming everyone was vaccinated
I'm assuming everyone was vaccinated
I'm assuming everyone was vaccinated
 
2021-12-05 4:34:15 PM  

KingOfTown: austerity101: KingOfTown: New Rising Sun: "Anyone who tests positive will either go directly home or self-isolate in accommodations provided by the cruise line, officials said"

uh huh, sure.  Straight home, on their flight home, with other people.  Or, straight home, then to the store, then off to see friends.

What is with this assumption that everyone that gets COVID is just itching to get out there and infect others?

/tested positive 12 days ago
//symptom-free for nearly a week by end of 10-day quarantine
///went to my job on day 11

I'm betting the percentage of those who don't care if they infect others is higher among those who are willing to go on cruises right now.  You didn't go on a cruise, did you? Neither did most cautious people.

Cautious people != People that won't go on cruises

/ship leaves SD on 1/2
//chose a line that doesn't allow vaccine exemptions
///triple-vaxxed AND recovered


I never claimed that no cautious person would go on a cruise. I said most cautious people will not go on cruises, and that's true. And it also means that the people who do go on cruises will skew more reckless as a whole, just like people who eat indoors.
 
2021-12-05 4:46:42 PM  

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Assuming we survive the next century, about 20K years.
 
2021-12-05 4:47:54 PM  
Sorry, we're going to have to torch the boat. Only way to be sure.

No, you may not disembark beforehand.
 
2021-12-05 4:48:39 PM  

HighlanderRPI: Landing in New Orleans?

SHOW US YOUR TITS NEGATIVE TEST!

*throws beads*


I snorked beer. Well done.
 
2021-12-05 4:49:01 PM  

BobCumbers: Everyone is getting it one way or another. We need to rip the band aid off. But safety uber allas. Our leaders are unwise cowards.


No, we don't.

If we take it for granted that everyone will be exposed - and that part is true - then we should make sure that everybody is vaccinated before they get exposed.  Unvaccinated, people risk going to hospital or even dying. Vaccinated, they still can but it's way rarer.

And what farking band-aid are you even talking about in the US? Besides local mask mandates (which hurt ABSOLUTELY NOTHING), and a very few vaccine mandates for high risk environments, what restrictions exactly is anyone under? Everything is completely back to "normal" except for things people are doing voluntarily.

In the rest of the world, they understand that this kind of irresponsible policy floods hospitals and causes more people to die. That's what you're advocating for.  People dying. This is why the US has a higher per capita death rate than other wealthy countries. You're hanging out with the likes of Lithuania and Paraguay rather than New Zealand, South Korea, and Australia.
 
2021-12-05 4:51:21 PM  

erik-k: 10 out of 3200?

The virus looks at the time its feeble ancestor infected virtually the entire complement aboard the Diamond Princess in a matter of two weeks and screams in frustration.


7 out of 3700
 
2021-12-05 4:51:45 PM  

johnny_vegas: erik-k: 10 out of 3200?

The virus looks at the time its feeble ancestor infected virtually the entire complement aboard the Diamond Princess in a matter of two weeks and screams in frustration.

7 out of 3700


700 out of 3700, sorry
 
2021-12-05 5:06:48 PM  

DemonEater: BobCumbers: Everyone is getting it one way or another. We need to rip the band aid off. But safety uber allas. Our leaders are unwise cowards.

No, we don't.

If we take it for granted that everyone will be exposed - and that part is true - then we should make sure that everybody is vaccinated before they get exposed.  Unvaccinated, people risk going to hospital or even dying. Vaccinated, they still can but it's way rarer.

And what farking band-aid are you even talking about in the US? Besides local mask mandates (which hurt ABSOLUTELY NOTHING), and a very few vaccine mandates for high risk environments, what restrictions exactly is anyone under? Everything is completely back to "normal" except for things people are doing voluntarily.

In the rest of the world, they understand that this kind of irresponsible policy floods hospitals and causes more people to die. That's what you're advocating for.  People dying. This is why the US has a higher per capita death rate than other wealthy countries. You're hanging out with the likes of Lithuania and Paraguay rather than New Zealand, South Korea, and Australia.


First you have to understand that to Regressionists, deaths are a FEATURE, not something to avoid. The more people die, the less you have to spend on social services, so you get lower taxes. Plus, there is the bonus glut of low cost property to acquire from estate sales. Then there is the whole racial disparity, and it's like hitting MAGA BINGO.
 
2021-12-05 5:26:16 PM  

KingOfTown: Don't Troll Me Bro!: I had really hoped this pandemic would finally kill off the cruise industry. Those things are plague vectors in normal times.

And don't get me started on the "we visited 6 Caribbean nations" nonsense. No, you docked at six places and stayed in the immediate vicinity for a few hours where it is nothing like the rest of the country, and you experienced nothing of their cultures. And no, pinewood carvings of elephants aren't a thing in Jamaican culture; they import those and mark them up 2000% for your dumbass. Ever seen a pine tree there? No? How about an elephant?

Yes, I too wish things I don't personally enjoy didn't exist because the world is about me alone.

/wants to be on a big boat and not be able to see land
//most ports are tourist traps
///more days marked "At Sea" the better


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In all seriousness, I did six and Mrs. Pow three. Lots of blue water in the middle of the Pacific. Also good port visits. And no outbreaks of any kind because cleanliness is taken seriously.
 
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