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2021-12-05 10:15:40 AM  
Xenophobia is a big part of most fascist programs. Alliances with outsiders would be oxymoronic, wouldn't it?
 
2021-12-05 10:23:05 AM  
So they don't have a spot for PiS in?
 
2021-12-05 11:13:52 AM  
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2021-12-05 11:17:35 AM  
They may have power now but they're likely to just PiS it away...
 
2021-12-05 12:05:50 PM  
PiS off.
 
2021-12-05 12:28:11 PM  
I had a bullwinkle PiS dispenser once
 
2021-12-05 1:56:55 PM  

aaronx: Xenophobia is a big part of most fascist programs. Alliances with outsiders would be oxymoronic, wouldn't it?


Anarchists unite!
 
2021-12-05 2:07:59 PM  

aaronx: Xenophobia is a big part of most fascist programs. Alliances with outsiders would be oxymoronic, wouldn't it?


In principle, yes. However, Putin is bankrolling them all and wants his money's worth.

Back in the old days it didn't matter if they constantly fought with each other, because the stakes were so tiny. None of them had a realistic chance of real power over anything but a small personality cult, or any clear idea of what they'd have done with it.

Putin knows what he wants: the removal of any obstacles to his dominion of the Soviet Union's former empire, the only difference being the abandonment of the pretense of any ideology beyond Russian supremacy.

Actually, no, I exaggerate. Putin wants to die in bed, and let the collapse of his empire happen on someone else's watch. The job of Europe's extreme right is to make sure European countries don't accelerate Russia's collapse any more than can be avoided.
 
2021-12-05 2:08:28 PM  

Mouser: aaronx: Xenophobia is a big part of most fascist programs. Alliances with outsiders would be oxymoronic, wouldn't it?

Anarchists unite!


Kinda insulting to anarchists - actual anarchists can and do unite temporarily when they want the same thing - why not?   These assholes can't even manage that much
 
2021-12-05 2:10:40 PM  

MikeyFuccon: aaronx: Xenophobia is a big part of most fascist programs. Alliances with outsiders would be oxymoronic, wouldn't it?

In principle, yes. However, Putin is bankrolling them all and wants his money's worth.

Back in the old days it didn't matter if they constantly fought with each other, because the stakes were so tiny. None of them had a realistic chance of real power over anything but a small personality cult, or any clear idea of what they'd have done with it.

Putin knows what he wants: the removal of any obstacles to his dominion of the Soviet Union's former empire, the only difference being the abandonment of the pretense of any ideology beyond Russian supremacy.

Actually, no, I exaggerate. Putin wants to die in bed, and let the collapse of his empire happen on someone else's watch. The job of Europe's extreme right is to make sure European countries don't accelerate Russia's collapse any more than can be avoided.


Me in 2004: ROFL ok, are they also trying to steal your precious bodily fluids, General?
Me in 2021: Pretty much describes what's happening, yeah
 
2021-12-05 2:13:25 PM  

aaronx: Xenophobia is a big part of most fascist programs. Alliances with outsiders would be oxymoronic, wouldn't it?


Many of them try to be coy and say, "Sure, we're against non-white immigrants, but we're not racists--we don't want other Europeans moving to our country either!"  Which makes it kinda hard for them to unite with other Europeans.

/I'm okay with them failing to unite.
//Probably moving back to Europe in 2023.
 
2021-12-05 2:19:03 PM  
Wait, the belligerent xenophobic nationalists are holding cooprative international discussions?

It sounds like they're so close to getting it...
 
2021-12-05 2:21:40 PM  

MikeyFuccon: aaronx: Xenophobia is a big part of most fascist programs. Alliances with outsiders would be oxymoronic, wouldn't it?

In principle, yes. However, Putin is bankrolling them all and wants his money's worth.

Back in the old days it didn't matter if they constantly fought with each other, because the stakes were so tiny. None of them had a realistic chance of real power over anything but a small personality cult, or any clear idea of what they'd have done with it.

Putin knows what he wants: the removal of any obstacles to his dominion of the Soviet Union's former empire, the only difference being the abandonment of the pretense of any ideology beyond Russian supremacy.

Actually, no, I exaggerate. Putin wants to die in bed, and let the collapse of his empire happen on someone else's watch. The job of Europe's extreme right is to make sure European countries don't accelerate Russia's collapse any more than can be avoided.


FTA:

Russia, Russia, Russia
The Franco-Polish tensions go beyond legislative jockeying. Russia looms over the relationship.

Conversely, in France, Le Pen is accommodating toward Russia.

She has called for warmer relations with Moscow and pushed to lift sanctions placed on the country after it annexed Crimea. She traveled to Moscow to hobnob with Russian President Vladimir Putin during her last run for the French presidency in 2017. "Well, all I hear all day long at school is how great Russia is at this, or wonderful Russia did that," LePen said.

Similarly, Orbán in Hungary has maintained warm ties with Russia and Salvini has faced allegations that The League courted Russian financing during European elections.

That core disagreement makes it hard for the parties to come together, even if they share rhetoric on other issues like immigration.
 
2021-12-05 2:22:47 PM  
That's hooorible! I'm going to play a sad prostitune on my - hooormonica!
 
2021-12-05 2:24:19 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: That's hooorible! I'm going to play a sad prostitune on my - hooormonica!


Frank Renyolds, is that you?
 
2021-12-05 2:24:59 PM  

MikeyFuccon: aaronx: Xenophobia is a big part of most fascist programs. Alliances with outsiders would be oxymoronic, wouldn't it?

In principle, yes. However, Putin is bankrolling them all and wants his money's worth.

Back in the old days it didn't matter if they constantly fought with each other, because the stakes were so tiny. None of them had a realistic chance of real power over anything but a small personality cult, or any clear idea of what they'd have done with it.

Putin knows what he wants: the removal of any obstacles to his dominion of the Soviet Union's former empire, the only difference being the abandonment of the pretense of any ideology beyond Russian supremacy.

Actually, no, I exaggerate. Putin wants to die in bed, and let the collapse of his empire happen on someone else's watch. The job of Europe's extreme right is to make sure European countries don't accelerate Russia's collapse any more than can be avoided.


It's not just Putin. Steve Bannon has been very active in these organizations and they get funding from other rich farking assholes from Saudi and the United States.
 
2021-12-05 2:28:34 PM  
I'm so tired of publications treating the far right as just some group of people with different beliefs. They're f*cking Nazis.
 
2021-12-05 2:30:45 PM  

Rattlesnake Rattles Me: Don't Troll Me Bro!: That's hooorible! I'm going to play a sad prostitune on my - hooormonica!

Frank Renyolds, is that you?


Whitest Kids U Know sketch.
 
2021-12-05 2:30:55 PM  
Well, this looks like Poland's revenge against the Allies for simply handing them from one murderous totalitarian to another without a care in the world. Long time coming, and shiatty for it to come in the form of a Neo-Nazi revival, but the resentment runs deep. If the PiS is all over the EUP then wow, Poland finally got its shiat together and made its move. England is virulently racist against Poles, like Americans are toward Mexicans (almost exactly the same migrant economy and hate). When England left, the Poles must have filled the vacuum in several offices, faster than other anti-Slavic racists could.
 
2021-12-05 2:34:10 PM  
Well that's nice, I need somewhere to flee when shiat goes to hell here.
 
2021-12-05 2:35:13 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: MikeyFuccon: aaronx: Xenophobia is a big part of most fascist programs. Alliances with outsiders would be oxymoronic, wouldn't it?

In principle, yes. However, Putin is bankrolling them all and wants his money's worth.

Back in the old days it didn't matter if they constantly fought with each other, because the stakes were so tiny. None of them had a realistic chance of real power over anything but a small personality cult, or any clear idea of what they'd have done with it.

Putin knows what he wants: the removal of any obstacles to his dominion of the Soviet Union's former empire, the only difference being the abandonment of the pretense of any ideology beyond Russian supremacy.

Actually, no, I exaggerate. Putin wants to die in bed, and let the collapse of his empire happen on someone else's watch. The job of Europe's extreme right is to make sure European countries don't accelerate Russia's collapse any more than can be avoided.

It's not just Putin. Steve Bannon has been very active in these organizations and they get funding from other rich farking assholes from Saudi and the United States.


The number of servants and producers of product for rich people must be very small indeed.  They really don't care for the other 99% and would rather have them disappear off the globe with as little risk as possible.  That includes the poor end of multimillionaires.  Using robots and AI to create killing culture wars is just a way of culling the herd.  The cull is now a much deeper  things so that democracy never grows back due to too few people.
 
2021-12-05 2:40:12 PM  
Rightwing coonts are not compatible with liberty and democracy.

Jaywalk the fark out of them.
 
2021-12-05 2:44:05 PM  
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2021-12-05 2:47:12 PM  
FTA: "Often, they simply don't like each other."
LoL

Reality always sucks for ReichWing Fascists.
 
2021-12-05 2:50:03 PM  

BitwiseShift: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: MikeyFuccon: aaronx: Xenophobia is a big part of most fascist programs. Alliances with outsiders would be oxymoronic, wouldn't it?

In principle, yes. However, Putin is bankrolling them all and wants his money's worth.

Back in the old days it didn't matter if they constantly fought with each other, because the stakes were so tiny. None of them had a realistic chance of real power over anything but a small personality cult, or any clear idea of what they'd have done with it.

Putin knows what he wants: the removal of any obstacles to his dominion of the Soviet Union's former empire, the only difference being the abandonment of the pretense of any ideology beyond Russian supremacy.

Actually, no, I exaggerate. Putin wants to die in bed, and let the collapse of his empire happen on someone else's watch. The job of Europe's extreme right is to make sure European countries don't accelerate Russia's collapse any more than can be avoided.

It's not just Putin. Steve Bannon has been very active in these organizations and they get funding from other rich farking assholes from Saudi and the United States.

The number of servants and producers of product for rich people must be very small indeed.  They really don't care for the other 99% and would rather have them disappear off the globe with as little risk as possible.  That includes the poor end of multimillionaires.  Using robots and AI to create killing culture wars is just a way of culling the herd.  The cull is now a much deeper  things so that democracy never grows back due to too few people.


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2021-12-05 2:53:06 PM  
Matt Geatz killing OAN viewers and his own constituency?

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2021-12-05 3:14:39 PM  

HighOnCraic: aaronx: Xenophobia is a big part of most fascist programs. Alliances with outsiders would be oxymoronic, wouldn't it?

Many of them try to be coy and say, "Sure, we're against non-white immigrants, but we're not racists--we don't want other Europeans moving to our country either!"  Which makes it kinda hard for them to unite with other Europeans.

/I'm okay with them failing to unite.
//Probably moving back to Europe in 2023.


They did unite recently.

https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/fresh-allegations-of-fraud-against-mep-morten-messerschmidt

Yes, let by a Danish dude named Messerschmidt, which is a great name to have if you're far right. Actually it's not that far right.

It ended in a corruption scandal when he attempted to force his own party members to sign blank contracts, which caused them to leave. And him being accused of corruption by the Danish authorities by getting EU funds to hold EU information meetings that never occured.

Meanwhile, his Polish far-right pals, had a bazzilion pens printed, with the EU logo, to promote the EU. The EU does give money out to such activities, but noone has seen those pens live. They just recieved a bill, which the EU paid.

So at least they could agree on a common goal, which was to be corrupt (Messerschmidt was never accused of taking money for himself, he just wanted look like a big man by bringing funding to his local Danish party).
 
2021-12-05 3:21:03 PM  

aaronx: Xenophobia is a big part of most fascist programs. Alliances with outsiders would be oxymoronic, wouldn't it?


You'd be surprised, after all there was that whole "Axis" thing. And the Nazis were very good at inventing groups to be honorable aryans after invading Eastern Europe. A lot of dark history there.
 
2021-12-05 3:23:40 PM  
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Any setback for any far-right movement is a win for everyone.

Bunch of farking scumbag morons.

Seriously... Anyone today, in this day and age, that is still a far-right is a farking moron.  And purposely a scumbag.
 
2021-12-05 3:37:51 PM  
Remember when Hitler and Stalin formed a NonAggression Pact to divide Poland that Hitler then completely ignored, blew through Poland and invaded Ukraine with homicidal zeal.

That's what Fascist Alliences are like, fantasies.

Yeahyeah, I know, Stalin wasn't a "Fascist", but as a Totalitarian Dictator, it's pretty much what he was.
 
2021-12-05 3:42:29 PM  

DrD'isInfotainment: Remember when Hitler and Stalin formed a NonAggression Pact to divide Poland that Hitler then completely ignored, blew through Poland and invaded Ukraine with homicidal zeal.

That's what Fascist Alliences are like, fantasies.

Yeahyeah, I know, Stalin wasn't a "Fascist", but as a Totalitarian Dictator, it's pretty much what he was.


They call that "no honor amongst thieves", I think.
 
2021-12-05 4:03:19 PM  
Good. Pack of assholes.
 
2021-12-05 4:30:27 PM  

adamatari: aaronx: Xenophobia is a big part of most fascist programs. Alliances with outsiders would be oxymoronic, wouldn't it?

You'd be surprised, after all there was that whole "Axis" thing. And the Nazis were very good at inventing groups to be honorable aryans after invading Eastern Europe. A lot of dark history there.


I was thinking of the Anti-Comintern, which was basically the same thing. The pact included the Chinese nationalists, which annoyed Japan quite a bit.
 
2021-12-05 5:46:56 PM  

aaronx: Xenophobia is a big part of most fascist programs. Alliances with outsiders would be oxymoronic, wouldn't it?


Since things have gone global and everything is interconnected so people travel and work between countries and hang out with and get to know their neighbor countrypeople and since there really aren't petty border squabbles that turn into wars, no need to go to war for resources, and they have inter-bred they now glom onto "western culture" and the idea that being of of Western descent (aka european) is the thing that makes them special.

I do have to hand it to them in that aspect, unlike the US's hard righters, their European counterparts have "progressed" past nationality being the only factor as to friend or foe/superiority over others.

I think it was out of necessity, as they realized they'd never have any sort of power in the EU/power at home as most people don't buy into "our country is the best, if you weren't born here you're inferior to us!"  So they dropped the idea that the location of their birth or their parents birth makes them better than others.

Now they just tie their superiority on the western culture mythos.  So they're not xenophobic against other europeans as much.

It's the people not of European descent they all hate.

I'm sure it still exists and if the hard right were to seize absolute power throughout europe there would be some "purging" of groups/peoples they considered allies and have the same exact ideas and ideals but dislike them due to their nationalities.

I don't think they'd last all that long if the hard right seized power throughout Europe, both in EU and in their home countries for that exact reason.  They'd revert to their feral form and go back to hating people based on imaginary lines, even if they share the same "western superiority" ideology.  So the the partnership and the EU would collapse.

Which is probably why Putin loves supporting these and helps them gain power.
 
2021-12-05 6:00:47 PM  
There used to be a better time. A simpler time. When we hung fascists over rivers and used them for target practice

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Or entire neighborhoods turned out to give them a proper welcome

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2021-12-05 6:14:27 PM  

DrD'isInfotainment: Remember when Hitler and Stalin formed a NonAggression Pact to divide Poland that Hitler then completely ignored, blew through Poland and invaded Ukraine with homicidal zeal.

That's what Fascist Alliences are like, fantasies.

Yeahyeah, I know, Stalin wasn't a "Fascist", but as a Totalitarian Dictator, it's pretty much what he was.


Stalin was most definitely fascist.  He came to power under the banner of communism, but then went fully faschy.

-he was a hardcore nationalist.  Like super hardcore to the point of being an ethno nationalist.

-he was militaristic to no end.  He spent a large portion of the GDP on militarization, even outside of ww2.

-he held absolute power with an iron fist.

-he identified "enemies" (others) as a unifying cause.

-controlled the media.

-was obsessed with national security. (NKVD anyone?)

-The religion was the government.

-he was super into corporations and working with them to modernize the country.

-purged intellectuals who would put ideas into people's heads.

-was obsessed with crime and punishment.

-rampant corruption

-fraudulent elections

Stalin and his government literally check every single box of "is it fascism"?

He and hitler were basically mirrors of eachother.

Used the idea of socialism/communism to seize power and then went full authoritarian and were über ethno-nationalists.

The idea that people still think Russia was actually communist under stalin or any of the following leaders either doesn't actually know what communism is or are intentionally ignorant.
 
2021-12-05 6:34:02 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: MikeyFuccon: aaronx: Xenophobia is a big part of most fascist programs. Alliances with outsiders would be oxymoronic, wouldn't it?

In principle, yes. However, Putin is bankrolling them all and wants his money's worth.

Back in the old days it didn't matter if they constantly fought with each other, because the stakes were so tiny. None of them had a realistic chance of real power over anything but a small personality cult, or any clear idea of what they'd have done with it.

Putin knows what he wants: the removal of any obstacles to his dominion of the Soviet Union's former empire, the only difference being the abandonment of the pretense of any ideology beyond Russian supremacy.

Actually, no, I exaggerate. Putin wants to die in bed, and let the collapse of his empire happen on someone else's watch. The job of Europe's extreme right is to make sure European countries don't accelerate Russia's collapse any more than can be avoided.

It's not just Putin. Steve Bannon has been very active in these organizations and they get funding from other rich farking assholes from Saudi and the United States.


Bannon's motives are more far reaching though.  He wants the whole world to burn so he can be kingmaker.
 
2021-12-05 6:48:40 PM  

Mouser: aaronx: Xenophobia is a big part of most fascist programs. Alliances with outsiders would be oxymoronic, wouldn't it?

Anarchists unite!


Know how I know you don't know what anarchism is?
 
2021-12-05 7:04:09 PM  
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Yes, far right, please eat your own.
 
2021-12-05 7:18:43 PM  

Mouser: aaronx: Xenophobia is a big part of most fascist programs. Alliances with outsiders would be oxymoronic, wouldn't it?

Anarchists unite!


Dyslexics Untie!
 
2021-12-05 8:12:54 PM  

dkulprit: Now they just tie their superiority on the western culture mythos.  So they're not xenophobic against other europeans as much.

It's the people not of European descent they all hate.


From an article about the far-right fringe in Estonia:

"This does not make any difference whether they are from Ukraine or from Nigeria.  ... They are not Estonians."

Now, that's probably just a way to deflect from some earlier statements from the same party--DW's Tim Sebastian asked the deputy EKRE leader about racist comments he made before he entered politics.
"If you're black, go back," Helme said during a television appearance in 2013, adding, "I want Estonia to be a white country."  But that's the fig leaf they're using.

https://www.dw.com/en/far-right-party-deputy-we-are-the-mainstream-in-estonia/a-47893557

/I still might end up moving there...
 
2021-12-05 11:51:10 PM  

HighOnCraic: dkulprit: Now they just tie their superiority on the western culture mythos.  So they're not xenophobic against other europeans as much.

It's the people not of European descent they all hate.

From an article about the far-right fringe in Estonia:

"This does not make any difference whether they are from Ukraine or from Nigeria.  ... They are not Estonians."

Now, that's probably just a way to deflect from some earlier statements from the same party--DW's Tim Sebastian asked the deputy EKRE leader about racist comments he made before he entered politics.
"If you're black, go back," Helme said during a television appearance in 2013, adding, "I want Estonia to be a white country."  But that's the fig leaf they're using.

https://www.dw.com/en/far-right-party-deputy-we-are-the-mainstream-in-estonia/a-47893557

/I still might end up moving there...


That's the far right fringe by your own admission.  That's the reason the can't form a coalition.  Those people are openly against everyone not from their country.

This article is about the hard right, not fringe right where it even states that one of the reasons the right can't form a coalition is because they don't want to be associated with the fringe like that.... at least openly.

I don't doubt a lot of them privately think that, but they realize, as I mentioned above, they won't be getting votes or getting power.   Especially since they can't seem to realize that theyd weird a lot more power if they could form a coalition.

So they stick with the "western civilization" line.

Even in their own country EKRE only holds a small minority in their government and is 1/7th of their delegation to the EU.

They are popular, even in their own country.

Even the ISAAMA of estonia doesn't like associating with the EKRE.
 
2021-12-06 12:32:03 AM  
I mean... it's not technically impossible for a far-right political party to have some internationalist tendencies, but 99% of the time the only way they can sell the (stupid) economic policies that define them as extremely to the right in the first place is to attach them to extreme social reactionary policies (because those ideas are equally moronic, and the idiots stupid enough to believe them are a pre-made audience of intellectual cripples who might also be dumb enough to fall for extreme right-wing shiat).  This also goes the other way with social reactionaries seeking out a far-right audience.

So like... just inevitably by the nature of the two agendas the vast majority of right-wing movements are also going to be highly nationalist and relatively hostile to or at least suspicious of factions from other nations.  Two groups that are both inherently suspicious of each other are kind of in a bad place to start negotiations for mutual benefit.

// Note that I didn't necessarily say fascist, though that's certainly true of a number of them and that's kind of the ultimate example and manifestation of the two extremely-stupid sets of policies seeking out each other's followers because they're the only people stupid enough to fall for the respective ideas.  For instance, the US's right-wing as a whole is completely unambiguously outright fascist.  It's just not necessarily true, and in most places only true of a smaller, more extreme faction of a larger right-wing bloc.
 
2021-12-06 1:06:44 AM  

dkulprit: HighOnCraic: dkulprit: Now they just tie their superiority on the western culture mythos.  So they're not xenophobic against other europeans as much.

It's the people not of European descent they all hate.

From an article about the far-right fringe in Estonia:

"This does not make any difference whether they are from Ukraine or from Nigeria.  ... They are not Estonians."

Now, that's probably just a way to deflect from some earlier statements from the same party--DW's Tim Sebastian asked the deputy EKRE leader about racist comments he made before he entered politics.
"If you're black, go back," Helme said during a television appearance in 2013, adding, "I want Estonia to be a white country."  But that's the fig leaf they're using.

https://www.dw.com/en/far-right-party-deputy-we-are-the-mainstream-in-estonia/a-47893557

/I still might end up moving there...

That's the far right fringe by your own admission.  That's the reason the can't form a coalition.  Those people are openly against everyone not from their country.

This article is about the hard right, not fringe right where it even states that one of the reasons the right can't form a coalition is because they don't want to be associated with the fringe like that.... at least openly.

I don't doubt a lot of them privately think that, but they realize, as I mentioned above, they won't be getting votes or getting power.   Especially since they can't seem to realize that theyd weird a lot more power if they could form a coalition.

So they stick with the "western civilization" line.

Even in their own country EKRE only holds a small minority in their government and is 1/7th of their delegation to the EU.

They are popular, even in their own country.

Even the ISAAMA of estonia doesn't like associating with the EKRE.


I'd say the line between the hard right and the fringe right is a bit blurry.

I hope you're right about EKRE not being a big deal.  They were kind of a big deal up until recently (from wiki):

After gaining 17.8% of the votes in the 2019 parliamentary election, EKRE joined Jüri Ratas' second cabinet with five out of fifteen cabinet positions.[59][60] In 2021, Jüri Ratas resigned and the new government was formed without EKRE.

/Still, I'm spending Christmas and New Year's in Tallinn.
//Terviseks!
 
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