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(Yahoo)   The labor shortage is so bad no one wants to install solar panels for the kingly sum of 13 dollars an hour   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2021-12-05 9:11:10 AM  
I sold my business 28 yrs ago, and I was paying between $15 to $25 an hour.  I looked it up and $25 would be $50 todat and $26, so $13 in awful to climb onto dangeresly sloping roofs!
 
2021-12-05 9:12:40 AM  
oops that should be $15 then is now $25!
 
2021-12-05 9:19:58 AM  
You notice the tactic the right uses every time. Take something liberal like (Solar power, clean water, wind power)
and twist it on it's head with a negative. Like those poor poor birdie flying into windmills. And with unemployeemen checks...well, they'll live like kings on 790 a month.
 
2021-12-05 9:22:28 AM  
They are paying $33 per hour if you have experience.  so the real issue is if you have some green horn off the turnip truck, how long does it take to get from $13/hr to $33/hr?
 
2021-12-05 10:05:18 AM  
Gotta pay what the market will bear. Keep going up then.
 
2021-12-05 10:07:09 AM  
Funny thing -- people who would otherwise travel to work there can't afford the rent now.
 
2021-12-05 10:14:26 AM  
Hey subby, if it's asinine, go take the job yourself.
 
2021-12-05 10:34:26 AM  

freddyV: Hey subby, if it's asinine, go take the job yourself.


Not subby, but I think they meant it's asinine to offer $13 and wonder why there were only 2 applicants.
 
2021-12-05 10:39:14 AM  

BunkyBrewman: freddyV: Hey subby, if it's asinine, go take the job yourself.

Not subby, but I think they meant it's asinine to offer $13 and wonder why there were only 2 applicants.


Cuz it's not a living wage?
 
2021-12-05 10:39:27 AM  
Paying $13 an hour to do installations on rooftops? Hell no. If they're too cheap to pay a decent wage, they're too cheap to provide proper safety equipment.
 
2021-12-05 11:05:20 AM  
I wonder if it's one of those companies that keeps you full time at starting salary, until you've been around long enough (and your knees are shot) to earn the journeyman salary, at which point they cut your hours in half and hire some dumb kids for you to train to take over your hours.  The top tier salary is reserved for the brother in law, who's kind of an idiot, but hey, you have to make the wife happy, right?
 
2021-12-05 11:08:35 AM  
At least di pshiat is being up front about the miserly wages, my son is looking for a job right now and he's gone on several interviews where they've posted a certain wage per hour in the ad, then lowballed them when he showed up before the interview even started.

Business owner is still a dumbass
 
2021-12-05 11:08:41 AM  
Corrected for inflation, the minimum wage passed a long time ago is not much less than $13. IOW, the job doesn't pay jack.
 
2021-12-05 11:22:33 AM  

freddyV: BunkyBrewman: freddyV: Hey subby, if it's asinine, go take the job yourself.

Not subby, but I think they meant it's asinine to offer $13 and wonder why there were only 2 applicants.

Cuz it's not a living wage?


Wow, nobody puts one over on you today, do they?
 
2021-12-05 11:33:50 AM  

freddyV: Hey subby, if it's asinine, go take the job yourself.


THIS.
 
2021-12-05 12:11:59 PM  

kdawg7736: freddyV: Hey subby, if it's asinine, go take the job yourself.

THIS.


Two... two ... people who need their sarcasm detectors recalibrated.  In the famous words of Avril Lavigne.  "Could it be any more obvious?"  No one uses the word kingly without irony.

/Not subby.
 
2021-12-05 12:26:11 PM  
"Amid a huge labor shortage, companies across the US are increasingly competing with each other for personnel. Some are hiking pay and offering improved benefits to attract new workers as well as retain existing ones."

Remember kids, the free market is good unless social conditions benefit labor and drive wages upwards, in which case the free market is how sloth and lassitude of the current generation is dooming us all.
 
2021-12-05 12:32:21 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: "Amid a huge labor shortage, companies across the US are increasingly competing with each other for personnel. Some are hiking pay and offering improved benefits to attract new workers as well as retain existing ones."

Remember kids, the free market is good unless social conditions benefit labor and drive wages upwards, in which case the free market is how sloth and lassitude of the current generation is dooming us all.


People are to lazy to work for low wages now a days.
 
2021-12-05 12:33:23 PM  
Medium to long term it would be a good idea to invest in health care companies: Lots more employees will be getting better benefits going forward.  Short term keep your cash in your mattress.
 
2021-12-05 12:40:03 PM  
This is why the Democratic party killing a $15 minimum wage was so idiotic.
They have gone on record opposing better wages for the working class while those wages are going up to that level anyway.

They committed political suicide in the midterms for a worthless stance kissing the ring of the Chamber of Commerce.
 
2021-12-05 12:57:29 PM  

sinner4ever: This is why the Democratic party killing a $15 minimum wage was so idiotic.
They have gone on record opposing better wages for the working class while those wages are going up to that level anyway.

They committed political suicide in the midterms for a worthless stance kissing the ring of the Chamber of Commerce.


I was gonna say it wasnt idiotic, it was suicidal. But nevermind, you got it. Dems are happy with the status quo. That should scare their base.
 
2021-12-05 1:00:18 PM  
My favorite line is the about "taco restauranteur" who has high emoloyee turnover. Like, dude, first time? That's every restaurant.
 
2021-12-05 1:01:04 PM  
$13 an hour in Georgia for somebody with zero experience who you can't let work without an experienced co-worker doesn't sound unreasonable. However, since he's getting no takers, he'll either have to adjust that upwards or reconcile himself to having fewer workers than he wants.
 
2021-12-05 1:04:04 PM  
I pay the kid next door $15 an hour cash to pull weeds...
 
2021-12-05 1:04:22 PM  
Have Biden federalize all solar installation.

Problem solved.
 
2021-12-05 1:06:17 PM  
And on a dangerous roof in the hot sun all day.  Fark off with this shiatty job.
 
2021-12-05 1:10:35 PM  

jjorsett: $13 an hour in Georgia for somebody with zero experience who you can't let work without an experienced co-worker doesn't sound unreasonable. However, since he's getting no takers, he'll either have to adjust that upwards or reconcile himself to having fewer workers than he wants.


The McDonald's in Georgia by my house is advertising $15 an hour.
 
2021-12-05 1:17:33 PM  
When fast food joints, long considered the ideal first job, are offering $15,  you are going to have a hard time getting people to work on a roof for $13.
 
2021-12-05 1:19:26 PM  

sinner4ever: This is why the Democratic party killing a $15 minimum wage was so idiotic.
They have gone on record opposing better wages for the working class while those wages are going up to that level anyway.

They committed political suicide in the midterms for a worthless stance kissing the ring of the Chamber of Commerce.


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2021-12-05 1:20:38 PM  

Lambskincoat: sinner4ever: This is why the Democratic party killing a $15 minimum wage was so idiotic.
They have gone on record opposing better wages for the working class while those wages are going up to that level anyway.

They committed political suicide in the midterms for a worthless stance kissing the ring of the Chamber of Commerce.

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Is she balancing the legislation on her head?
 
2021-12-05 1:23:05 PM  

freddyV: Hey subby, if it's asinine, go take the job yourself.


Did you just have an brain aneurism or something, or did your cat walk across the keyboard to create something as nonsensical as that?
 
2021-12-05 1:27:39 PM  
Busch said that he'd raised starting wages to around $13 an hour for new solar installer hires with no experience, and to $17 for people with minor experience in the construction industry. More experienced staff are eligible for wages of up to $33 an hour, he said.

Okay, so you're hiring someone with no experience at $13.  Six months in, they have more than minor experience in the construction industry. And by eighteen months, they're more experienced and getting up to that $30/hour range.

Right?

Or, is it that you hired them at $12.15/hour (that's around $13, isn't it?).  And then two years in they're making $13.25 ("that's over 4% annual, you can't expect more than that can you???").
 
2021-12-05 1:30:57 PM  

optikeye: You notice the tactic the right uses every time. Take something liberal like (Solar power, clean water, wind power)
and twist it on it's head with a negative. Like those poor poor birdie flying into windmills. And with unemployeemen checks...well, they'll live like kings on 790 a month.


I get the exact same shiat about disability.  "Oh man you don't have to do anything hur de dur herp."

/yeah, my princely $900 a month to try to survive on
//and all it costs is enough pain to keep me from doing much of anything at all
///I will admit it, I am a prejudiced individual.  I farking HATE the hard of thinking

*: Not people with actual medical or developmental problems - unlike the "Free ride dude!" crowd they aren't farking stupid enough to say shiat like that
 
2021-12-05 1:39:43 PM  

TheSubjunctive: Busch said that he'd raised starting wages to around $13 an hour for new solar installer hires with no experience, and to $17 for people with minor experience in the construction industry. More experienced staff are eligible for wages of up to $33 an hour, he said.

Okay, so you're hiring someone with no experience at $13.  Six months in, they have more than minor experience in the construction industry. And by eighteen months, they're more experienced and getting up to that $30/hour range.

Right?

Or, is it that you hired them at $12.15/hour (that's around $13, isn't it?).  And then two years in they're making $13.25 ("that's over 4% annual, you can't expect more than that can you???").


Companies don't give raises anymore at that level.
If you know how to read these kinds of things you see the company has one longtime employee (probably decades of seniority) making $33 an hour. The company is trying to poach people with construction experience with the $17 figure while they are only offering new hires $13.  Just keep in mind, raises don't happen unless you get offered more by another company.
 
2021-12-05 1:43:03 PM  
No wants to take a $13/hr job because they're volunteering at Long John Silver's.
 
2021-12-05 1:47:44 PM  

Eightballjacket: They are paying $33 per hour if you have experience.  so the real issue is if you have some green horn off the turnip truck, how long does it take to get from $13/hr to $33/hr?


Four times falling off the roof minimum.
 
2021-12-05 1:58:33 PM  

sinner4ever: TheSubjunctive: Busch said that he'd raised starting wages to around $13 an hour for new solar installer hires with no experience, and to $17 for people with minor experience in the construction industry. More experienced staff are eligible for wages of up to $33 an hour, he said.

Okay, so you're hiring someone with no experience at $13.  Six months in, they have more than minor experience in the construction industry. And by eighteen months, they're more experienced and getting up to that $30/hour range.

Right?

Or, is it that you hired them at $12.15/hour (that's around $13, isn't it?).  And then two years in they're making $13.25 ("that's over 4% annual, you can't expect more than that can you???").

Companies don't give raises anymore at that level.
If you know how to read these kinds of things you see the company has one longtime employee (probably decades of seniority) making $33 an hour. The company is trying to poach people with construction experience with the $17 figure while they are only offering new hires $13.  Just keep in mind, raises don't happen unless you get offered more by another company.


Raises cut into the profit margin.
 
2021-12-05 1:59:56 PM  
Other people seem to have covered the wage progression concern, so I'll leave that be.

What no one is talking about is that the guy is talking about two totally unrelated hiring things. If he's offering people $17/hr for minimal construction experience, then you'd better believe he's not pitching $13/hr to electricians. My own solar install(should be done this week) had a significant delay because my energy company wouldn't offer a rebate because the master electrician that was going to do my project left. It is an already high paying skilled job and the solar craze has really driven up demand. Only 2 electrician candidates showing up is a skilled labor shortage not a shiatty unskilled starting wage.
 
2021-12-05 2:27:55 PM  

mcreadyblue: sinner4ever: TheSubjunctive: Busch said that he'd raised starting wages to around $13 an hour for new solar installer hires with no experience, and to $17 for people with minor experience in the construction industry. More experienced staff are eligible for wages of up to $33 an hour, he said.

Okay, so you're hiring someone with no experience at $13.  Six months in, they have more than minor experience in the construction industry. And by eighteen months, they're more experienced and getting up to that $30/hour range.

Right?

Or, is it that you hired them at $12.15/hour (that's around $13, isn't it?).  And then two years in they're making $13.25 ("that's over 4% annual, you can't expect more than that can you???").

Companies don't give raises anymore at that level.
If you know how to read these kinds of things you see the company has one longtime employee (probably decades of seniority) making $33 an hour. The company is trying to poach people with construction experience with the $17 figure while they are only offering new hires $13.  Just keep in mind, raises don't happen unless you get offered more by another company.

Raises cut into the profit margin.


Most people in the private sector get raises by changing jobs.

Consider how utterly farked that notion is.
 
2021-12-05 2:30:12 PM  
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2021-12-05 2:34:15 PM  

sinner4ever: This is why the Democratic party killing a $15 minimum wage was so idiotic.
They have gone on record opposing better wages for the working class while those wages are going up to that level anyway.

They committed political suicide in the midterms for a worthless stance kissing the ring of the Chamber of Commerce.


The Democratic Party was never going to pass any legislation that would have helped the working class. They're just in on the con like the Trumper Party.
 
2021-12-05 2:43:47 PM  
I've always factored worker debt into the business model as the primary driver of labor.  Business debt on the other hand is the ticket to the Country Club and the private Jet Club.

Where's that genius Peter Navarro, Economist Extraordinaire, to save us?
 
2021-12-05 2:52:07 PM  

AllCatsAreBeautiful: sinner4ever: This is why the Democratic party killing a $15 minimum wage was so idiotic.
They have gone on record opposing better wages for the working class while those wages are going up to that level anyway.

They committed political suicide in the midterms for a worthless stance kissing the ring of the Chamber of Commerce.

The Democratic Party was never going to pass any legislation that would have helped the working class. They're just in on the con like the Trumper Party.


Get a load of this thread's big thinkers.

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2021-12-05 2:55:46 PM  
Democrats need to reframe this debate, by talking about the minimum wage in terms of annual income rather than hourly wage.

$15 / hour might seem like a lot to some people because we're talking about raising it from the current level of $7.25.

But as a full-time wage. $15 / hour * 40 hours * 52 weeks = $31,200 per year.  That's still not a living wage in most of the country.
 
2021-12-05 2:59:10 PM  

OptimisticCynicism: Other people seem to have covered the wage progression concern, so I'll leave that be.

What no one is talking about is that the guy is talking about two totally unrelated hiring things. If he's offering people $17/hr for minimal construction experience, then you'd better believe he's not pitching $13/hr to electricians. My own solar install(should be done this week) had a significant delay because my energy company wouldn't offer a rebate because the master electrician that was going to do my project left. It is an already high paying skilled job and the solar craze has really driven up demand. Only 2 electrician candidates showing up is a skilled labor shortage not a shiatty unskilled starting wage.


Not enough kids are got into skilled trades like plumbing and electrical. If you are young and want a good way to pay the bills consider an apprenticeship program.

/your job will not get outsourced and the money is good at the journeyman level. You do have to work and work hard but when my dad retired as an electrician he was making $43 an hour, not bad.
 
2021-12-05 2:59:46 PM  

NuclearPenguins: AllCatsAreBeautiful: sinner4ever: This is why the Democratic party killing a $15 minimum wage was so idiotic.
They have gone on record opposing better wages for the working class while those wages are going up to that level anyway.

They committed political suicide in the midterms for a worthless stance kissing the ring of the Chamber of Commerce.

The Democratic Party was never going to pass any legislation that would have helped the working class. They're just in on the con like the Trumper Party.

Get a load of this thread's big thinkers.

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Oh puke, upper class dems ain't been doing shiat but rolling in their money. D party is dead and refuses to admit it. shiat... or get off the pot.
 
2021-12-05 3:04:53 PM  

MetaDeth: NuclearPenguins: AllCatsAreBeautiful: sinner4ever: This is why the Democratic party killing a $15 minimum wage was so idiotic.
They have gone on record opposing better wages for the working class while those wages are going up to that level anyway.

They committed political suicide in the midterms for a worthless stance kissing the ring of the Chamber of Commerce.

The Democratic Party was never going to pass any legislation that would have helped the working class. They're just in on the con like the Trumper Party.

Get a load of this thread's big thinkers.

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Oh puke, upper class dems ain't been doing shiat but rolling in their money. D party is dead and refuses to admit it. shiat... or get off the pot.


So vote Republican? Or 3rd party? lol.
 
2021-12-05 3:14:58 PM  
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2021-12-05 3:24:43 PM  

QFarker: When fast food joints, long considered the ideal first job, are offering $15,  you are going to have a hard time getting people to work on a roof for $13.


You have to pass a drug test to work at McDonald's.

Part of what keeps construction wages so low is they are willing to hire felons and semi-functional addicts.
 
2021-12-05 3:33:42 PM  

hlehmann: freddyV: Hey subby, if it's asinine, go take the job yourself.

Did you just have an brain aneurism or something, or did your cat walk across the keyboard to create something as nonsensical as that?


Posted like a true wing nut
 
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