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2021-12-04 10:31:57 PM  
Y'know, most companies suck it up and either reduce their profits a little or increase their prices.  Then there are assholes like these who just want to whine and moan.  It's getting old, assholes.

The inflation we're experiencing now was expected and was caused by the negligence of you and your colleagues in the GQP.  It only took you 4 years to turn a surplus into a Whoa, Nellie deficit and now you're biatching because the Dems haven't fixed it fast enough.  fark off.
 
2021-12-04 10:43:16 PM  
Paid a 10% one last night. I'm all for paying workers more, but honestly, just up your prices by a buck or two.
 
2021-12-04 10:44:13 PM  
Companies can charge whatever they want for anything. Why is this surprising?
 
2021-12-04 10:49:14 PM  
Too stupid to just raise prices?
Trying to be edgy?
 
2021-12-04 10:55:18 PM  

unixpro: Y'know, most companies suck it up and either reduce their profits a little or increase their prices.  Then there are assholes like these who just want to whine and moan.  It's getting old, assholes.

The inflation we're experiencing now was expected and was caused by the negligence of you and your colleagues in the GQP.  It only took you 4 years to turn a surplus into a Whoa, Nellie deficit and now you're biatching because the Dems haven't fixed it fast enough.  fark off.


Dude, this is inflation. We need to pay workers more, thus prices increase. Your waiter/waitress isn't going to work for $10/hr anymore.
 
2021-12-04 11:01:39 PM  
Too lazy to reprint the menu?
 
2021-12-04 11:07:10 PM  

adamgreeney: Paid a 10% one last night. I'm all for paying workers more, but honestly, just up your prices by a buck or two.


We went out last night. The menu had one price, and we were planning on a $65 dinner bill. Got the bill and it was $15 more than we'd expected because of "covid surcharges". We mentioned it to the server who said it was posted in the restaurant - it was, on a 3x5 card next to the door. We paid and decided we wouldn't be back.
 
2021-12-04 11:08:41 PM  

tudorgurl: adamgreeney: Paid a 10% one last night. I'm all for paying workers more, but honestly, just up your prices by a buck or two.

We went out last night. The menu had one price, and we were planning on a $65 dinner bill. Got the bill and it was $15 more than we'd expected because of "covid surcharges". We mentioned it to the server who said it was posted in the restaurant - it was, on a 3x5 card next to the door. We paid and decided we wouldn't be back.


I hope you told them you would never be back.
 
2021-12-04 11:13:02 PM  
Just put up a sign that says "fark you, we don't want your business".  I wouldn't even get mad at a restaurant that did that, at least it'd be honest.
 
2021-12-04 11:16:02 PM  

tudorgurl: adamgreeney: Paid a 10% one last night. I'm all for paying workers more, but honestly, just up your prices by a buck or two.

We went out last night. The menu had one price, and we were planning on a $65 dinner bill. Got the bill and it was $15 more than we'd expected because of "covid surcharges". We mentioned it to the server who said it was posted in the restaurant - it was, on a 3x5 card next to the door. We paid and decided we wouldn't be back.


They told us when they brought the check, which I felt was a bit shady. I don't mind paying it, but tell people up front.
 
2021-12-04 11:16:45 PM  
It's just capitalism 2021. What's wrong little children, you're pissed off because you didn't see the consequences of your actions? Sounds like a boomer problem to me. When you allow predatory capitalism to run rampant for your own benefit for 40 years, you get what you deserve. Hopefully we'll be able to pull it back from the f*cking brink before this nation dissolves into 100 DeSantises. But I wouldn't put money on it, b*tches.

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///+1 DeSantis = POWER UP
 
2021-12-04 11:36:55 PM  
Sure, I suppose you could do that... Or you could just raise your prices, accept lower profits, find new suppliers and/or renegotiate with the ones you have, look for cost savings elsewhere, adjust your menu items to better take advantage of disproportionate changes in the price of ingredients, or a dozen other things I'm sure I'm forgetting

But hey, if you really want to make the case that your restaurant deserves to be one of the 30% that fails every year, I won't stop you.

/My family owned a restaurant for 40+ years, we saw just a little inflation in that time...
 
2021-12-05 12:28:44 AM  
Sounds about right.  Make up some bogus new charge so that your profit doesn't go down, and leave it to your underpaid cashiers and wait staff to deal with customers, who are now going to watch how much they tip, because they got blindsided with your bogus charge.

/ just coffee and toast, please.
 
2021-12-05 1:20:53 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Companies can charge whatever they want for anything. Why is this surprising?


Except this is not being presented upfront in any but the most rules-lawyerly way ("we told you in the microdot hidden in the i of the third word of the second dessert's description").  If they changed the prices, then you know about it when you see the menu.  But not seeing it until the check comes is surprising someone who is already unable to return the food.  Most people wouldn't blink at prices going up when it is obviously to pay real wages to the staff.  But slapping charges on under the line like Comcast is sleezy farkerey.
 
2021-12-05 1:53:36 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Companies can charge whatever they want for anything. Why is this surprising?


I'm not sure what I would be buying with that surcharge. With the Covid surchagre mentioned up-thread, I can imagine hand soap at the door, masks for patron who don't bring their own, shorter hours. Okay, fair, as long as we are wearing masks I understand there are retrictions for businesses I probably haven't even heard about.

But paying 5% extra for...inflation? Did I pay for inflation on the food? On the wages? What...what bank account does the 5% go into? Is it being taxed? Am I being taxed by a private entity? What is it?
 
2021-12-05 1:58:57 AM  
"In today's financial news, economists have found that the number one contributor to inflation is inflation surcharges being tacked onto retail purchases. And now here's Richo with the sports..."
 
2021-12-05 2:07:46 AM  
Because you're a sucker, LOL.
 
2021-12-05 2:13:05 AM  
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2021-12-05 2:27:57 AM  

Stephen_Falken: It's just capitalism 2021. What's wrong little children, you're pissed off because you didn't see the consequences of your actions? Sounds like a boomer problem to me. When you allow predatory capitalism to run rampant for your own benefit for 40 years, you get what you deserve. Hopefully we'll be able to pull it back from the f*cking brink before this nation dissolves into 100 DeSantises. But I wouldn't put money on it, b*tches.

/+1 boomer
//+1 capitalism
///+1 DeSantis = POWER UP


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2021-12-05 2:40:25 AM  
IRS Code 145, sec. 3, paragraph F "Fark you, pay me"
 
2021-12-05 3:07:54 AM  
If you see this, you know you're dining at a place owned by a right-wing asshole who wants to stick it to Biden.
 
2021-12-05 3:24:21 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Companies can charge whatever they want for anything. Why is this surprising?


Huuurrrr
 
2021-12-05 3:37:17 AM  
Just to reiterate my feelings from the tipping thread, if owners would stop whining like children, no one will jump into your restaurant and go "Ah ha! I took a picture of your menu from last year, and see this went up by 45 cents!".

Why not go with complete honesty when billing customers?

Double cheese burger and soda:
Meat tax: 45 cents
Bun tax: 5 cents
Cheese tax: 8 cents
Plate tax: 1 cent
Napkin tax: one cent
Plastic cup tax: one cent
Straw tax: 1 cent
Propane tax: 5 cents
Spatula tax: 1 cent
Soda syrup tax: 15 cents
Soda water tax: 15 cents
Soda machine tax: 1 cent
Electric bill tax: 15 cents
Clean toilet tax: 1 cent
Took a vacation last month tax: 10 cents
Hired some teenager tax: 1 dollar
Scratched my ass tax: 1 dollar

Grand total: I am angry Trump lost dollars.

Tip: please feel bad for me.
 
2021-12-05 3:47:51 AM  
Or you know, you could avoid these surcharges by just cooking your own meals.
 
2021-12-05 3:56:47 AM  
Restaurants want to get in the game as airlines have with baggage and boarding fees and Las Vegas hotels have with "resort fees".

Charge more total but have your prices near/at the top of "sort by price low to high" pages.
 
2021-12-05 4:26:24 AM  
I'm not a business person. I'm sure they have studies showing how this is a viable strategy, but if I end up with surprise charges on the bill I promise I will never eat at your restaurant again.
 
2021-12-05 4:46:46 AM  

Pincy: Or you know, you could avoid these surcharges by just cooking your own meals.


Sorry, we have to bill you for the self-service surcharge. As you know, you failed to eat at our restaurant, La Cage Aux Farkies, even though we reserved a table for you when you didn't tell us not to. The surcharge terms are clearly stated on the bottom of our soup bowls, which you would've known if you had bothered to eat at the restaurant, so really it's your own fault if this comes as a surprise.
 
2021-12-05 5:16:19 AM  
If a surcharge (other than sales tax) is not clearly listed where the customer can be reasonably expected to see it prior to ordering, then it is almost certainly illegal and more importantly immoral. Hey I understand that if you prices go up you need to charge more, but do it up front.


/In my state retail stores are subject to having a hundred random items scanned to see if they match the signs. Indeed it is standard procedure for the signs for price increases to be hung before activating the batch. For price decreases, the batch is done first and then the signs hung. This way the consumer is not charged more then the expect assuming they can read the sign.
 
2021-12-05 5:25:11 AM  

cretinbob: Too stupid to just raise prices?
Trying to be edgy?


That's what I don't understand. Once a restaurant raises its prices, it will never lower them. So, they win when the costs come back down.

But you just tack on a fee, then you'll need to remove it later (in theory).

And a CSB: Years ago in Israel before things became a lot more peaceful (knock on wood), every cafe, bar, and restaurant had a security guard at the door who would check people and bags for weapons. Most places would add an equivalent of $1 or $2 to the bill for the "security charge."

Eventually, the guards and security fees disappeared.
 
2021-12-05 5:32:14 AM  

InfoFreako: I'm not a business person. I'm sure they have studies showing how this is a viable strategy, but if I end up with surprise charges on the bill I promise I will never eat at your restaurant again.


It's a viable business model for restaurants in tourist traps where those customers will never be back again. For other places, die-hard regulars might be understanding. But, overall, I think you're in the majority on that one.

It's one thing when surprise fees pop up when selling a house or buying a car, but if a restaurant pulls that crap on me when I'm just going out to relax and have a nice dinner, they can get bent.
 
2021-12-05 5:50:44 AM  

unixpro: Y'know, most companies suck it up and either reduce their profits a little or increase their prices.  Then there are assholes like these who just want to whine and moan.  It's getting old, assholes.

The inflation we're experiencing now was expected and was caused by the negligence of you and your colleagues in the GQP.  It only took you 4 years to turn a surplus into a Whoa, Nellie deficit and now you're biatching because the Dems haven't fixed it fast enough.  fark off.


Mass hysteria over modest inflation is one of the great American pastimes ever since it helped elect Ronald Reagan over Jimmy Carter.
Even now talking heads are claiming the risk of runaway inflation is high, especially crypto-bros (despite yesterday's bloodbath on crypto).
Look, if you are uneducated and unskilled, life is going to suck a little harder.  For the majority of Americans, 5% inflation is a godsend since our mortgages and student loans will shrink much faster and our incomes will grow.  Wake me up when inflation reaches 12%+.
 
2021-12-05 6:49:29 AM  
I am of the opinion that all fees should be included in the price of things BY LAW.  Taxes, fees, etc. Make the tax exempt folks do the math.  The rest of the 99% of consumers should not have to.

I think this would be a wildly popular pro-consumer transparency law.
 
2021-12-05 6:54:04 AM  

tudorgurl: adamgreeney: Paid a 10% one last night. I'm all for paying workers more, but honestly, just up your prices by a buck or two.

We went out last night. The menu had one price, and we were planning on a $65 dinner bill. Got the bill and it was $15 more than we'd expected because of "covid surcharges". We mentioned it to the server who said it was posted in the restaurant - it was, on a 3x5 card next to the door. We paid and decided we wouldn't be back.


If you had cash for the exact bill without the surcharge, leave that on the table and walk out.

Leave the exact payment with the surcharge and let the server decide if they get a tip or if the owner pockets it.
 
2021-12-05 6:59:46 AM  

sleze: I am of the opinion that all fees should be included in the price of things BY LAW.  Taxes, fees, etc. Make the tax exempt folks do the math.  The rest of the 99% of consumers should not have to.

I think this would be a wildly popular pro-consumer transparency law.


Fark no, tax increases can be hidden that way. Transparency would be breaking out all taxes separately.

For motor fuel it would be like items:
1. Actual price of fuel
2. Federal motor fuel tax
3. State motor fuel tax
4. County motor fuel tax
5. City motor fuel tax
6. State sales tax
7. County sales tax
8. City sales tax
 
2021-12-05 7:05:07 AM  
I like how they say they implemented it this way so "you, the customer, can hold us accountable to remove it later".

Yeah, that's what they expect to happen. Not for people to just get used to it over time and stop complaining.
 
2021-12-05 7:09:46 AM  
Is this like how you have to increase the %tip because "things cost more these days?"
 
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2021-12-05 7:39:40 AM  
Why would restaurants need "permission" to add charges to the bill?
 
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2021-12-05 7:45:40 AM  

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2021-12-05 7:46:02 AM  
Because shipping costs have risen ridiculously? Because labor is higher than ever since the folks you do have are doing OT on the regular? Because the market will bear it? What are you going to do, cook at home?

Y'all signed off on this why you decided that GrubHub and DoorDash were perfectly acceptable to charge restaurants and yourself, and even shake down their drivers, and you made nary a peep. If you set the stage, then you'd best be prepared to go through with the whole damn play.
 
2021-12-05 7:48:26 AM  

Ker_Thwap: Too lazy to reprint the menu?


More like a sleazy tactic to surprise customers at the end of their meal.
 
2021-12-05 8:06:46 AM  
Don't like it?  Tell the manager that and leave a shiatty review.  Enough people do that and the restaurant either goes out of business or changes the business practice that offends their customers.

Doesn't matter why they do it.  They'll change the behaviour if it threatens the business.
 
2021-12-05 8:13:24 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Companies can charge whatever they want for anything. Why is this surprising?


As long as it's disclosed BEFORE you order and eat, you're right.
 
2021-12-05 8:18:04 AM  
"The reason that we chose this route was because it allows YOU the consumer to hold us accountable for when we remove it."

I hate that "you, the consumer" construction. No shait I'm the consumer, you could have just said "you" and I'd know what you meant. Also I'm more likely to hold you accountable for when you add a fee, rather than remove it.
 
2021-12-05 8:32:07 AM  

scotchcrotch: Ker_Thwap: Too lazy to reprint the menu?

More like a sleazy tactic to surprise customers at the end of their meal.


If it's a surprise at the end, don't pay it. What are they going to do?
 
2021-12-05 8:36:20 AM  
Sounds like a "Put me out of business, I'm a trump-humping cockroach and deserve to go bankrupt" surcharge.

Remember, baseline restaurant owners are usually raging asses.  Characters like the above, are a *hurk* special breed, in a godforsaken league of their own.
 
2021-12-05 8:58:17 AM  
because you let them.
because you pay it.
 
2021-12-05 9:07:35 AM  
It's playing to the main demographic of current restaurant patrons. The people who insist on being out in public maskless and eating while an aerosolized virus is making the rounds. People who care about others and want this goddamned covid shiatshow to end are avoiding needless public interactions and eating at home.

Restaurateurs will argue (publicly) that's not true, and certainly there are some exceptions. But by and large it is true, and we all know it. The vast majority of people eating out in restaurants these days are self-centered, Let's Go B-holes. It sucks for everyone in the restaurant business, and I feel for them. But they surely realize it, and have had to adapt in ways they never would have before, which unfortunately means either catering to the MAGAt crowd or shutting down the business they've staked their financial future on. Hobson's choice.
 
2021-12-05 9:14:27 AM  

Lsherm: unixpro: Y'know, most companies suck it up and either reduce their profits a little or increase their prices.  Then there are assholes like these who just want to whine and moan.  It's getting old, assholes.

The inflation we're experiencing now was expected and was caused by the negligence of you and your colleagues in the GQP.  It only took you 4 years to turn a surplus into a Whoa, Nellie deficit and now you're biatching because the Dems haven't fixed it fast enough.  fark off.

Dude, this is inflation. We need to pay workers more, thus prices increase. Your waiter/waitress isn't going to work for $10/hr anymore.


The minimum wage for tipped staff is $2.13.  Servers are completely reliant on tips.

We dined in yesterday for the first time since March 2020.  20% was automatically added to the bill.  The copy to sign came with a confusing section which didn't account for the automatically added gratuity in the total tips.

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2021-12-05 9:20:02 AM  

Schlubbe: It's playing to the main demographic of current restaurant patrons. The people who insist on being out in public maskless and eating while an aerosolized virus is making the rounds. People who care about others and want this goddamned covid shiatshow to end are avoiding needless public interactions and eating at home.

Restaurateurs will argue (publicly) that's not true, and certainly there are some exceptions. But by and large it is true, and we all know it. The vast majority of people eating out in restaurants these days are self-centered, Let's Go B-holes. It sucks for everyone in the restaurant business, and I feel for them. But they surely realize it, and have had to adapt in ways they never would have before, which unfortunately means either catering to the MAGAt crowd or shutting down the business they've staked their financial future on. Hobson's choice.


Funny, I've just been seeing a bunch of people who simply want to return to "normal" who are dining at the restaurants.

And that's the problem. Folks are so worn down by this thing that many are now saying "fark it, I'll take my chances because I'm vaccinated".

Why?  Because (and this is specific to the US), we let the pandemic get politicized.

On the up side, the whole clown show really put a spotlight on how bad we've let the economy become, and just how absolutely stupid a large % of the population truly is.

On the up side, it helped to get Trump out of office.
 
2021-12-05 9:21:26 AM  
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Tiny steak on a garlic toast and a smear of hummus with scattered pomegranate seeds? I wasn't going to be eating there anyway.
 
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