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2021-12-04 10:00:14 PM  
Unjust court decisions age very poorly
 
2021-12-04 11:57:44 PM  
Well fark them.

These maps are WORSE than the previous ones.. if you are not GOP
 
2021-12-05 12:46:34 AM  
Mericans are so galldarn stupid it defies belief. Bipartisan this bipartisan that. How about a election commission professional and unpolitical. You know like most civilized countries have.
 
2021-12-05 12:48:49 AM  
FTA:
In explaining why the court wouldn't consider the partisan makeup of districts, Justice Rebecca Bradley wrote for the majority that those are "political questions, not legal ones."

"Such claims have no basis in the constitution or any other law and therefore must be resolved through the political process and not by the judiciary," Bradley wrote.
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But gerrymandering BREAKS THE FARKING POLITICAL PROCESS. Am I missing something? Other than the judges being corrupt I mean.
 
2021-12-05 12:57:25 AM  

Unscratchable_Itch: FTA:
In explaining why the court wouldn't consider the partisan makeup of districts, Justice Rebecca Bradley wrote for the majority that those are "political questions, not legal ones."

"Such claims have no basis in the constitution or any other law and therefore must be resolved through the political process and not by the judiciary," Bradley wrote.
-----

But gerrymandering BREAKS THE FARKING POLITICAL PROCESS. Am I missing something? Other than the judges being corrupt I mean.


Yup. It's total bullshiat and they know it.
It's a cop out, but a legally sound one.

The idea of free and fair elections is still new to this country.

LBJ lost his first run for Senate because he didn't cheat well enough. He cheated more carefully when he won.

"Only Jesus Christ actually knows who won those races"

"Farked beyond belief" is the status quo in Murica
 
2021-12-05 1:03:03 AM  
The GOP brand is dogshiat.
Their positions, the ones they actually state, are unpopular.
The policies they do advance and enact actually hurt the people who do vote for them.

Hard to imagine they get elected, were it not for their prowess in changing the rules and the lack of shame in their attitude toward cheating.
 
2021-12-05 1:04:21 AM  
It sucks that this is how it works.    In Ohio, the Republicans hold a 52-48 majority of known votes, but a 12-4 edge in Congressional representation.    Nothing anyone can do so long as Republicans outvote everyone else and keep their party in the governor's mansion.    Same deal in most states.
 
2021-12-05 1:05:20 AM  

hammettman: The GOP brand is dogshiat.
Their positions, the ones they actually state, are unpopular.
The policies they do advance and enact actually hurt the people who do vote for them.

Hard to imagine they get elected, were it not for their prowess in changing the rules and the lack of shame in their attitude toward cheating.


...and the millions of people who vote for them.

Let's stop trying to explain away the dark side of America as cheating. People want what it is the gop is selling. People suck.
 
2021-12-05 1:18:20 AM  
Ladies and gentlemen the answer is very simple. We have people move. You slip people into zip codes and whatever strategic areas we can and we totally break Republican strongholds because these maps are written to be that way for the next 10 years. We'd  degentrify areas.


There's sword truly is double-edged when you look at their population distributions. An unforeseen movement of people crush them Nationwide
 
2021-12-05 1:19:01 AM  
Gerrymandered elections have consequences.
 
2021-12-05 1:25:53 AM  
The state Supreme Court in Wisconsin is statewide, not gerrymandered, dumbmitter.

Their ruling sucks, but that's because Wisconsin fairly elected morons to the Supreme Court for 10 year terms.
 
2021-12-05 1:35:41 AM  

major hatred: Ladies and gentlemen the answer is very simple. We have people move. You slip people into zip codes and whatever strategic areas we can and we totally break Republican strongholds because these maps are written to be that way for the next 10 years. We'd  degentrify areas.


There's sword truly is double-edged when you look at their population distributions. An unforeseen movement of people crush them Nationwide


Yes because people can totally afford to do that. /s


And I don't just mean financially
 
2021-12-05 1:47:51 AM  
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Guffaws Kochly.
 
2021-12-05 1:54:58 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Unscratchable_Itch: FTA:
In explaining why the court wouldn't consider the partisan makeup of districts, Justice Rebecca Bradley wrote for the majority that those are "political questions, not legal ones."

"Such claims have no basis in the constitution or any other law and therefore must be resolved through the political process and not by the judiciary," Bradley wrote.
-----

But gerrymandering BREAKS THE FARKING POLITICAL PROCESS. Am I missing something? Other than the judges being corrupt I mean.

Yup. It's total bullshiat and they know it.
It's a cop out, but a legally sound one.

The idea of free and fair elections is still new to this country.

LBJ lost his first run for Senate because he didn't cheat well enough. He cheated more carefully when he won.

"Only Jesus Christ actually knows who won those races"

"Farked beyond belief" is the status quo in Murica


Then he REALLY got creative for the presidency
 
2021-12-05 2:01:25 AM  

dickrickulous: Mericans are so galldarn stupid it defies belief. Bipartisan this bipartisan that. How about a election commission professional and unpolitical. You know like most civilized countries have.


I'm not sure why you think civilized countries have any bearing on the United States of God Bless America.

/and I live here
 
2021-12-05 2:03:21 AM  

dickrickulous: Mericans are so galldarn stupid it defies belief. Bipartisan this bipartisan that. How about a election commission professional and unpolitical. You know like most civilized countries have.


but that would be unpatriotic! who are we to question a 200 year old horrible tradition!

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2021-12-05 2:17:10 AM  

Shaggy_C: hammettman: The GOP brand is dogshiat.
Their positions, the ones they actually state, are unpopular.
The policies they do advance and enact actually hurt the people who do vote for them.

Hard to imagine they get elected, were it not for their prowess in changing the rules and the lack of shame in their attitude toward cheating.

...and the millions of people who vote for them.

Let's stop trying to explain away the dark side of America as cheating. People want what it is the gop is selling. People suck.


A minority sucks and wants it. And they keep it by cheating.
 
2021-12-05 2:25:28 AM  

Unscratchable_Itch: FTA:
In explaining why the court wouldn't consider the partisan makeup of districts, Justice Rebecca Bradley wrote for the majority that those are "political questions, not legal ones."

"Such claims have no basis in the constitution or any other law and therefore must be resolved through the political process and not by the judiciary," Bradley wrote.
-----

But gerrymandering BREAKS THE FARKING POLITICAL PROCESS. Am I missing something? Other than the judges being corrupt I mean.


It's a deliberate catch-22: You can't fix the broken political process unless you get elected, and you can't get elected if the political process is broken.
 
2021-12-05 2:31:48 AM  

dickrickulous: Mericans are so galldarn stupid it defies belief. Bipartisan this bipartisan that. How about a election commission professional and unpolitical. You know like most civilized countries have.


I'd almost want to leave it up to an algorithm with agreed-upon parameters. Basically nobody would know the results of the redistricting until the engineers input the parameters, at which point these engineers could show the receipts: "Here is how your bipartisan agreement resulted in this map." If the Republicans then want to throw a fit that they literally got what they asked for, they could explain why they changed their minds to a federal judge.

Choose the districts blind, and politicians wouldn't be able to pick their voters.
 
2021-12-05 2:35:08 AM  
SCOTUS farked over Wisconsin back in 2017 about this, and now the state supreme court farked over Wisconsin. Please for the love of farking god or math, vote, and democrats move into republican hot spots.
 
2021-12-05 3:46:08 AM  

demonfaerie: SCOTUS farked over Wisconsin back in 2017 about this, and now the state supreme court farked over Wisconsin. Please for the love of farking god or math, vote, and democrats move into republican hot spots.


But farkers keep telling us to move to a blue state instead.

We can't do both things at once.
 
2021-12-05 3:51:06 AM  

Unscratchable_Itch: FTA:
In explaining why the court wouldn't consider the partisan makeup of districts, Justice Rebecca Bradley wrote for the majority that those are "political questions, not legal ones."

"Such claims have no basis in the constitution or any other law and therefore must be resolved through the political process and not by the judiciary," Bradley wrote.
-----

But gerrymandering BREAKS THE FARKING POLITICAL PROCESS. Am I missing something? Other than the judges being corrupt I mean.


Makes you wonder how the US system functionally compares to the CCP system...
 
2021-12-05 3:56:58 AM  

dickrickulous: Mericans are so galldarn stupid it defies belief. Bipartisan this bipartisan that. How about a election commission professional and unpolitical. You know like most civilized countries have.


I dunno, kinda sounds like socialism to me...
 
2021-12-05 4:04:31 AM  

Ishkur: Unscratchable_Itch: FTA:
In explaining why the court wouldn't consider the partisan makeup of districts, Justice Rebecca Bradley wrote for the majority that those are "political questions, not legal ones."

"Such claims have no basis in the constitution or any other law and therefore must be resolved through the political process and not by the judiciary," Bradley wrote.
-----

But gerrymandering BREAKS THE FARKING POLITICAL PROCESS. Am I missing something? Other than the judges being corrupt I mean.

It's a deliberate catch-22: You can't fix the broken political process unless you get elected, and you can't get elected if the political process is broken.


Something something, those who make peaceful change impossible...
 
2021-12-05 4:43:32 AM  
Make party affiliation a secret. Open primaries. Adjust districts using existing borders and population.
 
2021-12-05 5:41:54 AM  

dickrickulous: Mericans are so galldarn stupid it defies belief. Bipartisan this bipartisan that. How about a election commission professional and unpolitical. You know like most civilized countries have.


It should be obvious why the GOP does not want such a thing
 
2021-12-05 5:46:05 AM  
Everyone saying "it's really simple, just do X" is missing the entire farking point.

X isn't done because Republicans don't want to do it, not because Americans are "stupid".
 
2021-12-05 5:52:19 AM  
'The 4-3 ruling rejected Democrats arguments that the current maps are heavily skewed to favor Republicans and dilute Democratic voting power.'
No. The court did not reject that idea at all. It agreed to and further advanced that idea.
 
2021-12-05 6:16:38 AM  
How blue Maryland drew my district:

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2021-12-05 7:02:21 AM  

major hatred: Ladies and gentlemen the answer is very simple. We have people move. You slip people into zip codes and whatever strategic areas we can and we totally break Republican strongholds because these maps are written to be that way for the next 10 years. We'd  degentrify areas.


There's sword truly is double-edged when you look at their population distributions. An unforeseen movement of people crush them Nationwide


I wish more sane people would move to my little part of Wisconsin. Wisconsin when it functions is one of the cooler progressive states in the union. We're literally the birthplace of the progressive movement. It hasn't functioned in a long time. We still sneak some shiat in there once in a while  We elected the first gay US Senator and she was re-elected and is still serving. If you're coming to my particular part at this particular point you're going to have to bring some serious numbers though, or you're not going to have a good time. I'm not having a good time.
 
2021-12-05 7:28:35 AM  

ghostfacekillahrabbit: We're literally the birthplace of the progressive movement. It hasn't functioned in a long time.


Progressives were a major force in passing Prohibition in Wisconsin and elsewhere.
 
2021-12-05 7:40:52 AM  

shpritz: A minority sucks and wants it. And they keep it by cheating.


They're clearly not that much of a minority if they can muster the power to control the state legislature in the first place. That's the thing that gets glossed over here all the time; despite being a minority nationwide, right wing regressives are the majority in many, many communities across the country.
 
2021-12-05 7:46:38 AM  
Why in the world is this still happening?
 
2021-12-05 8:09:57 AM  
Maybe it is time for the House of Representatives to vote on a Constitutional amendment. At least get the Republicans on record as supporters of Gerrymandering.
 
2021-12-05 8:15:24 AM  
What feedback does the system really have? Wisconsin's house reps don't really affect the way the state functions. They have their own bicameral government if they're like most states. Is that gerrymandered too?
 
2021-12-05 8:17:41 AM  

qorkfiend: Everyone saying "it's really simple, just do X" is missing the entire farking point.

X isn't done because Republicans don't want to do it, not because Americans are "stupid".


Trump got 10 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016. Americans are stupid. And racist.
 
2021-12-05 8:33:42 AM  
2018 Wisconsin state legislature election:

Votes for Democrats,1.3 million. Seats won: 36

Votes for Republicans, 1.1 million. Seats won: 63

America is not a democracy
 
2021-12-05 8:43:09 AM  

cranked: Gerrymandered elections have consequences.


Since when?
 
2021-12-05 8:45:35 AM  

Ishkur: Unscratchable_Itch: FTA:
In explaining why the court wouldn't consider the partisan makeup of districts, Justice Rebecca Bradley wrote for the majority that those are "political questions, not legal ones."

"Such claims have no basis in the constitution or any other law and therefore must be resolved through the political process and not by the judiciary," Bradley wrote.
-----

But gerrymandering BREAKS THE FARKING POLITICAL PROCESS. Am I missing something? Other than the judges being corrupt I mean.

It's a deliberate catch-22: You can't fix the broken political process unless you get elected, and you can't get elected if the political process is broken.


And this will happen in a majority of states between now and 2024 when a Republithug is "voted" to be King.
 
2021-12-05 8:50:05 AM  

qorkfiend: Everyone saying "it's really simple, just do X" is missing the entire farking point.

X isn't done because Republicans don't want to do it, not because Americans are "stupid".


Exactly.

The ones reading this thread are the last ones that need "advice" about this.

Might as well tell the Titanic's steerage-level floor mopper's youngest child that, 'hey, I think I see some ice out there. You should go fix that.'
 
2021-12-05 8:51:23 AM  

peasandcarrots: dickrickulous: Mericans are so galldarn stupid it defies belief. Bipartisan this bipartisan that. How about a election commission professional and unpolitical. You know like most civilized countries have.

I'd almost want to leave it up to an algorithm with agreed-upon parameters. Basically nobody would know the results of the redistricting until the engineers input the parameters, at which point these engineers could show the receipts: "Here is how your bipartisan agreement resulted in this map." If the Republicans then want to throw a fit that they literally got what they asked for, they could explain why they changed their minds to a federal judge.

Choose the districts blind, and politicians wouldn't be able to pick their voters.


Algorithmic redistricting is the spherical cow of politics.
 
2021-12-05 8:51:44 AM  

durbnpoisn: Why in the world is this still happening?


Because there have never been repercussions for anyone that made them happen.
 
2021-12-05 8:59:18 AM  

LZeitgeist: durbnpoisn: Why in the world is this still happening?

Because there have never been repercussions for anyone that made them happen.


As politics become more polarized, the benefits of this kind of low power grab outweighs the negatives. However it probably doesn't end well for the win at all costs side that is uninterested in changing with the times.
 
2021-12-05 9:05:06 AM  
The cure for this is more people voting.
About a third of eligible people don't.
Nothing ever changes.
We are stuck in a cycle of inaction and apathy. it seems.
 
2021-12-05 9:09:23 AM  
This is why not just CRT shouldn't be taught, but mostly all history.  A corrupt court trumps even a military victory.

Norman the Conqueror just won a military battle against forces that were exhausted, and had just marched from the top end of the country to the bottom from a first battle.

About ten years later the real conquest began, at every court in the land where Saxon landowners were robbed of their property by a Norman judges with a special set of rules for Norman "truth."  About 97% of the land changed hands, not on the battle field, but in courts of law -- probably the largest effort by any country to corrupt the law at the local level. There was no appeal.
 
2021-12-05 9:15:12 AM  

covfefe: What feedback does the system really have? Wisconsin's house reps don't really affect the way the state functions. They have their own bicameral government if they're like most states. Is that gerrymandered too?


Yes to both.  It's really about insulating themselves in the Assmbly, state Senate and making sure US House seats are 6-2 Republican for as long as possible.
 
2021-12-05 10:07:34 AM  

Erebus1954: How blue Maryland drew my district:

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Are you saying that makes the Wisconsin GOP right, or are you just biatching to muddy the waters?

Also, is anyone here defending Maryland? Bad faith bullshiat from you.
 
2021-12-05 10:08:53 AM  

Shaggy_C: hammettman: The GOP brand is dogshiat.
Their positions, the ones they actually state, are unpopular.
The policies they do advance and enact actually hurt the people who do vote for them.

Hard to imagine they get elected, were it not for their prowess in changing the rules and the lack of shame in their attitude toward cheating.

...and the millions of people who vote for them.

Let's stop trying to explain away the dark side of America as cheating. People want what it is the gop is selling. People suck.


Ah, I see today is the "being reasonable" day for you, not the "spreading raving lunatic far-right bullsh*t" day.
 
2021-12-05 10:15:23 AM  

Shaggy_C: shpritz: A minority sucks and wants it. And they keep it by cheating.

They're clearly not that much of a minority if they can muster the power to control the state legislature in the first place. That's the thing that gets glossed over here all the time; despite being a minority nationwide, right wing regressives are the majority in many, many communities across the country.


He said, in a thread about gerrymandering.
 
2021-12-05 10:46:56 AM  
Well, that's not very inspiring. The only thing to do now is have all the democrats stay home to send a message to whatever Wisconsin's equivalent of the DNC that we're sick of Democrats not stopping this! I assume anyway, maybe it's different for state elections.
 
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