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(Axios)   AI might be the death of subtitles. Which is great because Americans need another reason to not read   (axios.com) divider line
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2021-12-04 4:44:28 PM  
Deaf people laugh at your headline.
 
2021-12-04 4:47:51 PM  
Subtitles take a percentage of my concentration away from the screen, but human actors doing dubbing is usually pretty bad already, I can't imagine an AI doing it just yet.

Eventually?  Sure - it'd be nice to hear the original actor's voice and inflections translated into another language rather than a different actor's interpretation of the lines or text on the bottom of the screen.
 
2021-12-04 4:48:08 PM  
I have to have subtitles. I can not stand dubbed movies. It's a distraction.
 
2021-12-04 4:49:06 PM  
I read plenty, Subby. For instance, I read the nonsense posted on this website every day.
 
2021-12-04 4:51:01 PM  
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2021-12-04 4:53:08 PM  
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2021-12-04 4:53:35 PM  
Why would humans read AI text instead of text created by a human? Our species require intention and empathy to be literate, which includes embodied observations along with a writer who can anitcipate the reader's affect. Beyond those casually obvious limitations, AI is programmed by people who have no theory in any of those things beyond some rather inane preliminary psych theories, and they seem to enitrely overlook hundred of years of dramatization and performance theories that we take for granted in our daily lives. Humans have no reason to wate our limited lives reading AI crap unless we are paid to read it as AI developers, at this point. Maybe in the future we will have converations with AI, but all writing is converation and AI definitely isn't being generated with that in mind.
 
2021-12-04 5:48:50 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Why would humans read AI text instead of text created by a human? Our species require intention and empathy to be literate, which includes embodied observations along with a writer who can anitcipate the reader's affect. Beyond those casually obvious limitations, AI is programmed by people who have no theory in any of those things beyond some rather inane preliminary psych theories, and they seem to enitrely overlook hundred of years of dramatization and performance theories that we take for granted in our daily lives. Humans have no reason to wate our limited lives reading AI crap unless we are paid to read it as AI developers, at this point. Maybe in the future we will have converations with AI, but all writing is converation and AI definitely isn't being generated with that in mind.


Could see real time ai translation being useful for sports commentary. My wife always has crap on in the background on the tv. I could totally see her having random soccer, hockey or whatever games on in the background. Would be kind of cool to have the commentary be whatever was being said by the native commentators. Would obviously have to be on a slight delay to give the computers time to process everything.
 
2021-12-04 5:49:53 PM  

geggy: Deaf people laugh at your headline.


Deaf people will have brain implants to hear.
 
2021-12-04 5:51:59 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Why would humans read AI text instead of text created by a human? Our species require intention and empathy to be literate, which includes embodied observations along with a writer who can anitcipate the reader's affect. Beyond those casually obvious limitations, AI is programmed by people who have no theory in any of those things beyond some rather inane preliminary psych theories, and they seem to enitrely overlook hundred of years of dramatization and performance theories that we take for granted in our daily lives. Humans have no reason to wate our limited lives reading AI crap unless we are paid to read it as AI developers, at this point. Maybe in the future we will have converations with AI, but all writing is converation and AI definitely isn't being generated with that in mind.


True AI is not programmed by people. It develops it's own intelligence through learning.
 
2021-12-04 5:54:28 PM  

KB202: Bennie Crabtree: Why would humans read AI text instead of text created by a human? Our species require intention and empathy to be literate, which includes embodied observations along with a writer who can anitcipate the reader's affect. Beyond those casually obvious limitations, AI is programmed by people who have no theory in any of those things beyond some rather inane preliminary psych theories, and they seem to enitrely overlook hundred of years of dramatization and performance theories that we take for granted in our daily lives. Humans have no reason to wate our limited lives reading AI crap unless we are paid to read it as AI developers, at this point. Maybe in the future we will have converations with AI, but all writing is converation and AI definitely isn't being generated with that in mind.

True AI is not programmed by people. It develops it's own intelligence through learning.


There's an example of human programming: I typed its, I chose its in the predictive selections, and the program still decided I meant it's. AI would know better.
 
2021-12-04 5:57:39 PM  

The_Homeless_Guy: Bennie Crabtree: Why would humans read AI text instead of text created by a human? Our species require intention and empathy to be literate, which includes embodied observations along with a writer who can anitcipate the reader's affect. Beyond those casually obvious limitations, AI is programmed by people who have no theory in any of those things beyond some rather inane preliminary psych theories, and they seem to enitrely overlook hundred of years of dramatization and performance theories that we take for granted in our daily lives. Humans have no reason to wate our limited lives reading AI crap unless we are paid to read it as AI developers, at this point. Maybe in the future we will have converations with AI, but all writing is converation and AI definitely isn't being generated with that in mind.

Could see real time ai translation being useful for sports commentary. My wife always has crap on in the background on the tv. I could totally see her having random soccer, hockey or whatever games on in the background. Would be kind of cool to have the commentary be whatever was being said by the native commentators. Would obviously have to be on a slight delay to give the computers time to process everything.


True, I give this the stamp of FACTS and am CORRECTED and my mind is embiggened.

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2021-12-04 6:01:36 PM  

KB202: KB202: Bennie Crabtree: Why would humans read AI text instead of text created by a human? Our species require intention and empathy to be literate, which includes embodied observations along with a writer who can anitcipate the reader's affect. Beyond those casually obvious limitations, AI is programmed by people who have no theory in any of those things beyond some rather inane preliminary psych theories, and they seem to enitrely overlook hundred of years of dramatization and performance theories that we take for granted in our daily lives. Humans have no reason to wate our limited lives reading AI crap unless we are paid to read it as AI developers, at this point. Maybe in the future we will have converations with AI, but all writing is converation and AI definitely isn't being generated with that in mind.

True AI is not programmed by people. It develops it's own intelligence through learning.

There's an example of human programming: I typed its, I chose its in the predictive selections, and the program still decided I meant it's. AI would know better.


To this I give no stamps, and my mind is not embiggened. I know about generative algorithms, and they are fundamental to my observation. I understand how they work and are developed, and they are limited pieces of crap that are selected for viability, ulitmately, by very hapless, in fact stunngingly unaware, researchers. And AIs do not produce their ideas through embodied affect. This gets the stamp of pfffft.

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2021-12-04 7:21:35 PM  
My favorite closed captioning boo boo.

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2021-12-04 7:25:20 PM  
I especially enjoy all the subtitles these days offering prompts regarding the emotive content of the music, so I can enjoy the cleverness of the sound guys as well as the dialog.

/Art-blind
 
2021-12-04 7:28:39 PM  
Hard pass. Like others have mentioned, dubs suck. Words not matching the speakers lips drives me nuts. Try watching something and delay the audio slightly and you'll see what I mean. I prefer to hear the content in its native language and read the subtitles.
 
2021-12-04 7:42:18 PM  

labman: My favorite closed captioning boo boo.

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The people were helping the fire fighters.
 
2021-12-04 8:01:37 PM  
I watch things with subtitles in the original language too. It's like less distracting closed captioning
 
2021-12-04 8:35:13 PM  
More Netflix subscribers watched dubbed versions of "Squid Game" than subtitled versions.

Partially because people are idiots and partially because that was the default setting if I recall correctly.
 
2021-12-04 8:47:56 PM  

geggy: Deaf people laugh at your headline.



To you and to the people who voted this 'Smart' for some reason: captions and subtitles are not the same thing.
 
2021-12-04 8:52:58 PM  
I watch stuff with subs a lot.

Volumes are farking horrible, and directors are still in love with two things:

1. A deafening swing between talk and action.

2. Speech that is literally drowned out.


fark that.
 
2021-12-04 9:02:05 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Subtitles take a percentage of my concentration away from the screen, but human actors doing dubbing is usually pretty bad already, I can't imagine an AI doing it just yet.

Eventually?  Sure - it'd be nice to hear the original actor's voice and inflections translated into another language rather than a different actor's interpretation of the lines or text on the bottom of the screen.


Dubbing is always going to be bad [depending on the language] because the speech will never match up with the movements of the actor's mouth.  We probably all do some amount of lip-reading anyway, so we're tuned into how the mouth should look.

As for the actors and their voices, the AI has to be getting the sounds from other sources, and those are all pretty much copyrighted.  The dubber would need the copyright owner's permission to use the audio in their AI.  Whether that money trickles down to the individual actors is questionable, but you can be sure it's addressed in current contracts.  Folks have seen deepfakes, so any contract will address deepfake issues.
 
2021-12-04 9:38:06 PM  
I watch everything with subtitles or captions because I never have go say "what did they say? go back" or complain that a scene with explosions was followed by a scene full of whispers.
 
2021-12-04 9:51:07 PM  
I would have my AI do a kid friendly version of foreign material. The AI would do most of the dialogue in the foreign language while the kid has to read subtitles in order to build reading skills. The only exceptions would be any foul or obscene language. The AI would provide that language in both the foreign tongue and in the kid's native language via subtitles. That way the kid will learn to curse bilingually.
 
2021-12-04 10:57:06 PM  

Smackledorfer: I watch stuff with subs a lot.

Volumes are farking horrible, and directors are still in love with two things:

1. A deafening swing between talk and action.

2. Speech that is literally drowned out.


fark that.


I re-watched Dune, with subtitles on. I picked up a lot more of the muffed and whispered dialog that was impossible to hear even in the theater.
 
2021-12-04 11:16:49 PM  

Zeroth Law: Hard pass. Like others have mentioned, dubs suck. Words not matching the speakers lips drives me nuts. Try watching something and delay the audio slightly and you'll see what I mean. I prefer to hear the content in its native language and read the subtitles.


Money in ~= quality out. As someone who enjoys rewatching films/t.v./anime a second or third time, if you give dubbing companies more than $20 and a cupcake and 2 hours for a budget and production, I find dubs can be just as good. Especially as some translators for subtitles just do the bare minimum of google translate.

It was especially wild for a couple years in anime as streaming services had their own competing translation teams. Watching one dub (usually simulcast) and another's dub 6 months later when it dropped from being exclusive. I appreciate when the translators try more than a literal translation and attempt to make it culturally relavent with inflections and jokes.
 
2021-12-05 1:18:08 AM  
I think it would be nice to not hear the same five voices coming from all the npcs in a video game. And multiple voice options for the player character. Fully voiced mods instead of awkwardly recycling audio from the rest of the game, or just leaving it unvoiced. It would put a lot of voice actors out of work, but buggy whip manufactures etc etc.
 
2021-12-05 1:19:39 AM  
What could possibly go AutoWrong™

""Yo fam, how was the bar last night?" 
"Went back with this girl, little did I know she had the yeeks.  Told her I was sick so I dipped out"
"What is hell?  I maintain it is the suffering of being unable to love"
                 Fyodor Dostoyevsky
 
2021-12-05 2:25:45 AM  
Like all translation, even in this day and age, having really well-translated subtitles is well out of AI reach for now.

In addition to all the usual difficulties of translation, you need to find one pithy enough to fit in the width of the screen and be readable before the cut to the next shot.

What is more, as I understand it subtitle translators for movies often don't have a transcript to work from, they first have to decipher the original speech from the audio.

/I translate for a living, occasionally do subtitles
 
2021-12-05 9:10:51 AM  
The stupid, it burns.

"AI could end foreign-language subtitles"

First, some people prefer subs over dubs. And new technologies don't come with laws against the old way. Color film didn't end b&w movies.

Second, there's the hard of hearing and watching at low volume and subtitles so you don't disturb people around you.

Third, who the fark (other than people using movies/tv to learn a new language) uses "foreign language subtitles"? If I'm using subtitles, it's going to be in my native language, not a foreign one.
 
2021-12-05 5:26:42 PM  
I loathe dubbing.   Can not stand desynched audio!   Subtitles are fine. I like subtitles.
 
2021-12-05 5:46:40 PM  

KB202: Bennie Crabtree: Why would humans read AI text instead of text created by a human? Our species require intention and empathy to be literate, which includes embodied observations along with a writer who can anitcipate the reader's affect. Beyond those casually obvious limitations, AI is programmed by people who have no theory in any of those things beyond some rather inane preliminary psych theories, and they seem to enitrely overlook hundred of years of dramatization and performance theories that we take for granted in our daily lives. Humans have no reason to wate our limited lives reading AI crap unless we are paid to read it as AI developers, at this point. Maybe in the future we will have converations with AI, but all writing is converation and AI definitely isn't being generated with that in mind.

True AI is not programmed by people. It develops it's own intelligence through learning.


That's one of the stupidest things I have read in a week. I won't waste a minute refuting it because it is pointless. Just realize that you don't have a clue.
 
2021-12-06 1:06:55 AM  
Two points... Point one, of you want to see the current state of AI subs, watch some YouTube vids with automatic captioning turned on (or turn on captioning for your Zoom meeting recordings). Point two, watch a movie that has been dubbed with subtitles turned on and watch the complete disconnect turn your brain into mush.

We've got a long way to go.
 
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