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(Fox 5 New York)   After student loan debt and climate change and the pandemic, what is the latest thing that young Americans are worried about? Democracy   (fox5ny.com) divider line
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2021-12-04 6:14:08 AM  
Republican-leaning (and particularly MAGAt) types can't shut up about the "stolen" election. Meanwhile numerous red states are ratfarking electoral laws to skew results their way for future elections. It's no surprise a lot of young people are worried about the future of US democracy. It's being farked with by various states due to claims they've entirely failed to back up with evidence, because those claims are lies.

Leaving elections up to state and county officials means they're going to fark badly with them, delivering inconsistent results across the country. What a stupidly designed system.

Have an independent, national body set the rules which apply to all federal elections for the President and seats in the House and Senate. Same rules for all voters. Leave the states and counties right out. And voting machines are fraught with risks if not actual problems (as discussed various times by the likes of John Oliver, don't think I'm echoing Sidney Powell here), get rid of those while you're at it.
 
2021-12-04 6:24:40 AM  
So are the rest of us... so are the rest of us.
 
2021-12-04 6:59:33 AM  
Stop calling this country a democracy. If we were a democracy, large tracks  of empty land wouldn't have more representation than actual states with people who pay the taxes that support those tracks of empty land and people like Dubya and Trump would never have been President.
 
2021-12-04 7:01:41 AM  

Mugato: Stop calling this country a democracy. If we were a democracy, large tracks  of empty land wouldn't have more representation than actual states with people who pay the taxes that support those tracks of empty land and people like Dubya and Trump would never have been President.


You said "tracts of land" twice.
 
2021-12-04 7:17:35 AM  
There's nothing at all wrong with democracy. Everyone will have their chance to cast a ballot after running a gauntlet of "Voter Integrity Squad" militias checking ID and challenging the status of anyone darker than a cafe latte and that ballot to be "counted" by the election official who got the job by threatening the life of the previous official and who showed up to work rolling coal in a "Let's Go Brandon"-wrapped Dodge Ram, and the results will be carefully examined by a gerrymandered legislature who will vote on the "true intent of the electorate" and determine American Democracy is best preserved by eternal praise to our God-King for Life and our new Royal Family.
 
2021-12-04 7:24:56 AM  
Democracy's closed.
Line of traitors getting jobs at propaganda machines after a complimentary slaps on the wrist out front should have told ya.
 
2021-12-04 7:49:05 AM  
Meh. We've been living in an oligarchy for quite some time now. "Democracy" is just the window dressing.
 
2021-12-04 7:53:20 AM  
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2021-12-04 7:55:44 AM  

bostonguy: Mugato: Stop calling this country a democracy. If we were a democracy, large tracks  of empty land wouldn't have more representation than actual states with people who pay the taxes that support those tracks of empty land and people like Dubya and Trump would never have been President.

You said "tracts of land" twice.


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2021-12-04 7:58:30 AM  
As well they should be, I am too.

The problem is that for my peer group (old, white, male, upper middle class) it's largely academic; we'll be fine either way, mostly. The bottom isn't likely to completely fall out until after I'm dead.

If I could just stop caring about other people I could drop out of politics entirely. It's a horrible way to live, but if you don't care it doesn't effect you.
 
2021-12-04 8:05:59 AM  

EvilEgg: As well they should be, I am too.

The problem is that for my peer group (old, white, male, upper middle class) it's largely academic; we'll be fine either way, mostly. The bottom isn't likely to completely fall out until after I'm dead.

If I could just stop caring about other people I could drop out of politics entirely. It's a horrible way to live, but if you don't care it doesn't effect you.


A bit like saying if you didn't know eating cholesterol laden foods, sugary snacks and drink and smoking 24/7 kills you faster, it doesn't effect you.

You could win the genetics lottery and keel over at the ripe average age of 73. Or have cancer therapy. Or 3 bypasses.

Still alive, but not dead, so "you are insulated from it". Accepting the consequences of actions doesn't mean you are not effected by them, generally.
 
2021-12-04 8:07:14 AM  
If you want to know how to fight a government that has locked you out electorally then look at the Vietnam Era peace movement or the Civil Rights movement. 

That's how you make effective change when your vote doesn't count.  Make it an issued based movement, no sitting politician like Bernie Sanders can serve as the center point. It has to be something that equally hits at the Democrats and Republicans who are both ultimately not doing enough to address the democratic rollback
 
2021-12-04 8:07:14 AM  
That last one is slightly more important
 
2021-12-04 8:07:54 AM  

Meatsim1: If you want to know how to fight a government that has locked you out electorally then look at the Vietnam Era peace movement or the Civil Rights movement. 

That's how you make effective change when your vote doesn't count.  Make it an issued based movement, no sitting politician like Bernie Sanders can serve as the center point. It has to be something that equally hits at the Democrats and Republicans who are both ultimately not doing enough to address the democratic rollback


Seriously: fark you
 
2021-12-04 8:10:26 AM  
If a fascist dictatorship starts killing everyone not in a brown shirt, debt suddenly isn't at the top of the concern list anymore, and said dictatorship most certainly isn't going to do anything for the environment. So yeah, keeping the republic functional is pretty farking important... and pretty necessary to do anything about those other two problems.
 
2021-12-04 8:11:27 AM  
I'm almost 40. My entire adult life has been war, financial crisis, climate change, and eroding democracy. I'm not worried, that's all just a normal shared life experience for people my age. You're gonna need to try harder than that to make us worry.
 
2021-12-04 8:12:51 AM  

Masakyst: I'm almost 40. My entire adult life has been war, financial crisis, climate change, and eroding democracy. I'm not worried, that's all just a normal shared life experience for people my age. You're gonna need to try harder than that to make us worry.


I wonder if the complete lack of concern exhibited here could be a reason why these things remain problems
 
2021-12-04 8:13:58 AM  
Pretty sure at this point, with tensions as high as they are, the first federal election where the local/state just says "naw" and flips it to the loser, well, they'll end up needing a new set of members. :/ I can't see it not ending in violence.

I can barely see it not ending in violence if they do their job entirely appropriately.
 
2021-12-04 8:15:18 AM  

qorkfiend: Masakyst: I'm almost 40. My entire adult life has been war, financial crisis, climate change, and eroding democracy. I'm not worried, that's all just a normal shared life experience for people my age. You're gonna need to try harder than that to make us worry.

I wonder if the complete lack of concern exhibited here could be a reason why these things remain problems


I could live my life in grave concern and anxiety about all these major worldwide issues that I have no power to fix, or I can smoke weed and play video games. Hmmm tough choice.
 
2021-12-04 8:16:26 AM  
11 months until the midterms are ratfarked by mask-off autocrats.

Zero urgency from the Senate to preempt this by restoring the voting rights act.

Not great.
 
2021-12-04 8:16:32 AM  
This is why the geographical divisions in this country will become sharper and sharper over time.

Young people, who are the most mobile demographic, will more clearly start making choices based on the politics of a place. Fewer and fewer are going to bother even considering Gilead or the penis state, simply because the politics in those places are completely broken.

They'll instead start emigrating, in larger and larger numbers, to cities or liberal states or even more enlightened countries, where the governments reflect their values. I'm sure the GQP will start passing laws to make crossing county and state lines illegal, and make leaving America punishable by drone strike.
 
2021-12-04 8:17:04 AM  

Masakyst: qorkfiend: Masakyst: I'm almost 40. My entire adult life has been war, financial crisis, climate change, and eroding democracy. I'm not worried, that's all just a normal shared life experience for people my age. You're gonna need to try harder than that to make us worry.

I wonder if the complete lack of concern exhibited here could be a reason why these things remain problems

I could live my life in grave concern and anxiety about all these major worldwide issues that I have no power to fix, or I can smoke weed and play video games. Hmmm tough choice.


Uh, yeah. Exactly.

"Climate change? No thanks, too hard. I'll just smoke weed and play video games. Wait, why is no one doing anything about climate change?"
 
2021-12-04 8:19:30 AM  

qorkfiend: Masakyst: qorkfiend: Masakyst: I'm almost 40. My entire adult life has been war, financial crisis, climate change, and eroding democracy. I'm not worried, that's all just a normal shared life experience for people my age. You're gonna need to try harder than that to make us worry.

I wonder if the complete lack of concern exhibited here could be a reason why these things remain problems

I could live my life in grave concern and anxiety about all these major worldwide issues that I have no power to fix, or I can smoke weed and play video games. Hmmm tough choice.

Uh, yeah. Exactly.

"Climate change? No thanks, too hard. I'll just smoke weed and play video games. Wait, why is no one doing anything about climate change?"


Hey man, I'm sorting my garbage, I stopped using single-use plastics, I'm doing everything a person at my level is expected to do. Climate change isn't gonna be fixed my guys like me doing stuff like that. I'm not gonna convince the CEO of Exxon to stop oiling the oceans.
 
2021-12-04 8:19:42 AM  
It's because the people who explain it are describing by terms of how it is designed to be, and through the 24 hour news cycle they live in they can observe how it really is.

They are smart, observant, and capable of saying "hey...wait just a minute there...".

Don't worry. We can drug it out of them in a few years, and they will be ready to take their places in the egg carton just like the rest of us.
 
2021-12-04 8:21:00 AM  

animal color: This is why the geographical divisions in this country will become sharper and sharper over time.

Young people, who are the most mobile demographic, will more clearly start making choices based on the politics of a place. Fewer and fewer are going to bother even considering Gilead or the penis state, simply because the politics in those places are completely broken.

They'll instead start emigrating, in larger and larger numbers, to cities or liberal states or even more enlightened countries, where the governments reflect their values. I'm sure the GQP will start passing laws to make crossing county and state lines illegal, and make leaving America punishable by drone strike.


The only problem with your theory: the Alt Reich skews younger than the GOP rank and file. A lot of the more influential fashies are under 40.

It's not a mess that the US can just wait out.
 
2021-12-04 8:22:44 AM  

Masakyst: qorkfiend: Masakyst: qorkfiend: Masakyst: I'm almost 40. My entire adult life has been war, financial crisis, climate change, and eroding democracy. I'm not worried, that's all just a normal shared life experience for people my age. You're gonna need to try harder than that to make us worry.

I wonder if the complete lack of concern exhibited here could be a reason why these things remain problems

I could live my life in grave concern and anxiety about all these major worldwide issues that I have no power to fix, or I can smoke weed and play video games. Hmmm tough choice.

Uh, yeah. Exactly.

"Climate change? No thanks, too hard. I'll just smoke weed and play video games. Wait, why is no one doing anything about climate change?"

Hey man, I'm sorting my garbage, I stopped using single-use plastics, I'm doing everything a person at my level is expected to do. Climate change isn't gonna be fixed my guys like me doing stuff like that. I'm not gonna convince the CEO of Exxon to stop oiling the oceans.


Perhaps maybe you need to do slightly better than these "expectations".

Whose expectations, exactly?
 
2021-12-04 8:28:29 AM  

Ham Sandvich: animal color: This is why the geographical divisions in this country will become sharper and sharper over time.

Young people, who are the most mobile demographic, will more clearly start making choices based on the politics of a place. Fewer and fewer are going to bother even considering Gilead or the penis state, simply because the politics in those places are completely broken.

They'll instead start emigrating, in larger and larger numbers, to cities or liberal states or even more enlightened countries, where the governments reflect their values. I'm sure the GQP will start passing laws to make crossing county and state lines illegal, and make leaving America punishable by drone strike.

The only problem with your theory: the Alt Reich skews younger than the GOP rank and file. A lot of the more influential fashies are under 40.

It's not a mess that the US can just wait out.


That's true, but those idiots don't speak to young people. They're entirely a fellow kids play from the old white folks who run the GQP.
 
2021-12-04 8:30:53 AM  
Bless their hearts
 
2021-12-04 8:34:10 AM  
What Democracy are they referring to? It must not be the United States because in this country:

-The candidate with fewer votes can be president
-The senators who cast more votes to a remove a president after being impeached lose because they didn't reach 2/3rds
-The Supreme Court can hault a recount
-States where nobody lives all get 2 senators and California gets 2 despite Los Angeles County having more residents than 10+ states
-A supreme court majority composed of justices appointed by 2 presidents that got fewer votes and two impeachment

I could keep going but its all so tiresome.
 
2021-12-04 8:37:17 AM  
This is the generation that brought us tide pod eating so I take their opinions with a grain of salt.
 
2021-12-04 8:39:14 AM  
Folks who think the youth aren't doing anything about climate have no idea what they are talking about.
 
2021-12-04 8:39:37 AM  

the unabomber was right: What Democracy are they referring to? It must not be the United States because in this country:

-The candidate with fewer votes can be president
-The senators who cast more votes to a remove a president after being impeached lose because they didn't reach 2/3rds
-The Supreme Court can hault a recount
-States where nobody lives all get 2 senators and California gets 2 despite Los Angeles County having more residents than 10+ states
-A supreme court majority composed of justices appointed by 2 presidents that got fewer votes and two impeachment

I could keep going but its all so tiresome.


What he said.
 
2021-12-04 8:39:54 AM  
Two generations believed the Baby Boomers. Finally, a smart one.
 
2021-12-04 8:40:06 AM  

animal color: This is why the geographical divisions in this country will become sharper and sharper over time.

Young people, who are the most mobile demographic, will more clearly start making choices based on the politics of a place. Fewer and fewer are going to bother even considering Gilead or the penis state, simply because the politics in those places are completely broken.

They'll instead start emigrating, in larger and larger numbers, to cities or liberal states or even more enlightened countries, where the governments reflect their values. I'm sure the GQP will start passing laws to make crossing county and state lines illegal, and make leaving America punishable by drone strike.


It's already happening.  It's a brain drain from rural areas to urban areas, and the folks left behind resent it.  "My kid went to (big city), and now they're a queer who won't come home for the holidays!  I blame (big city)!".  These folks never understand that the choices they and their neighbors made are the reasons why Timmy doesn't call home anymore.

Instead it's the others fault, resulting in a cycle of resentment and hollowing out.  It plays out all the way from the country to the county level.

And yes, as you say, conservatives will continue to seek political solutions to a cultural failure, resulting in a government of resentment formed from modern day 'rotten boroughs'.  It's long term unsustainable, but in the short term will be very effective.
 
2021-12-04 8:43:48 AM  
This country was specifically designed to be ruled by a minority of propertied white males.
If you want to change that, you will have to interfere with existing privilege.
And privilege can be used to buy off foolish people who are not even in privileged groups.
Republicans routinely trick substantial numbers of women and POC into voting for them.
The problem isn't that we don't have a democracy - the problem is that we do, and people are stupid and self ,loathing.
 
2021-12-04 8:52:41 AM  
Glad to hear it.  Most of the younger types I deal with have no freaking interest in anything that even appears political.  They are simply not interested in talking heads blabbing about stuff.  It's only when something or someone immediately impacts their weekend plans they seem to get a bit involved.

I hope someone, somewhere can figure out something to capture the attention of the remaining spectators and get them off the sidelines and into this game called survival of society.
 
2021-12-04 8:54:20 AM  

slobberbone: Two generations believed the Baby Boomers.


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2021-12-04 8:58:20 AM  
So.  Nothing realistically threatening. Great job democrat run education mill. Take a bow.

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#5. Sharknado
 
2021-12-04 8:58:58 AM  

bostonguy: slobberbone: Two generations believed the Baby Boomers.

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"Generation" babble. It's what the 1% who own the media use to keep the poors from coming after them, and instead turn them against each other. Only really stupid people fall for it.
 
2021-12-04 8:59:49 AM  

jso2897: bostonguy: slobberbone: Two generations believed the Baby Boomers.

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"Generation" babble. It's what the 1% who own the media use to keep the poors from coming after them, and instead turn them against each other. Only really stupid people fall for it.


Actually, I meant "who" believed the Baby Boomers? :)
 
2021-12-04 9:00:52 AM  

Masakyst: qorkfiend: Masakyst: I'm almost 40. My entire adult life has been war, financial crisis, climate change, and eroding democracy. I'm not worried, that's all just a normal shared life experience for people my age. You're gonna need to try harder than that to make us worry.

I wonder if the complete lack of concern exhibited here could be a reason why these things remain problems

I could live my life in grave concern and anxiety about all these major worldwide issues that I have no power to fix, or I can smoke weed and play video games. Hmmm tough choice.


Shorter Masakyst:

"I don't care about other people."
 
2021-12-04 9:01:52 AM  
Find me a country not ran by uberwealthy industrialists.

No, not that one. It's being strip-mined by a subsidiary.
 
2021-12-04 9:03:00 AM  

animal color: This is why the geographical divisions in this country will become sharper and sharper over time.

Young people, who are the most mobile demographic, will more clearly start making choices based on the politics of a place. Fewer and fewer are going to bother even considering Gilead or the penis state, simply because the politics in those places are completely broken.

They'll instead start emigrating, in larger and larger numbers, to cities or liberal states or even more enlightened countries, where the governments reflect their values. I'm sure the GQP will start passing laws to make crossing county and state lines illegal, and make leaving America punishable by drone strike.


This is already happening and has been for some time. People are segregating based on political affiliations.

Once the violence starts ramping up and the anti-choice and anti-gay laws get held up in court, it will massively accelerate.
 
2021-12-04 9:03:50 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Folks who think the youth aren't doing anything about climate have no idea what they are talking about.


All the younger people in Tel Aviv ride electric scooters everywhere instead of taking the bus.* They say it's better for the environment.

Just wait until they find out how much greenhouse gas in takes to produce those scooters and their parts.

* And the idiots ride them in the middle of the street, among cars, with no helmets. And they travel on sidewalks at high speeds and almost hit pedestrians. I hate them.
 
2021-12-04 9:04:05 AM  

Masakyst: qorkfiend: Masakyst: qorkfiend: Masakyst: I'm almost 40. My entire adult life has been war, financial crisis, climate change, and eroding democracy. I'm not worried, that's all just a normal shared life experience for people my age. You're gonna need to try harder than that to make us worry.

I wonder if the complete lack of concern exhibited here could be a reason why these things remain problems

I could live my life in grave concern and anxiety about all these major worldwide issues that I have no power to fix, or I can smoke weed and play video games. Hmmm tough choice.

Uh, yeah. Exactly.

"Climate change? No thanks, too hard. I'll just smoke weed and play video games. Wait, why is no one doing anything about climate change?"

Hey man, I'm sorting my garbage, I stopped using single-use plastics, I'm doing everything a person at my level is expected to do. Climate change isn't gonna be fixed my guys like me doing stuff like that. I'm not gonna convince the CEO of Exxon to stop oiling the oceans.


No but you could get off your ass and vote for people who want to nationalize Exxon and out their CEO in a pillory.
 
2021-12-04 9:05:16 AM  

animal color: Ham Sandvich: animal color: This is why the geographical divisions in this country will become sharper and sharper over time.

Young people, who are the most mobile demographic, will more clearly start making choices based on the politics of a place. Fewer and fewer are going to bother even considering Gilead or the penis state, simply because the politics in those places are completely broken.

They'll instead start emigrating, in larger and larger numbers, to cities or liberal states or even more enlightened countries, where the governments reflect their values. I'm sure the GQP will start passing laws to make crossing county and state lines illegal, and make leaving America punishable by drone strike.

The only problem with your theory: the Alt Reich skews younger than the GOP rank and file. A lot of the more influential fashies are under 40.

It's not a mess that the US can just wait out.

That's true, but those idiots don't speak to young people. They're entirely a fellow kids play from the old white folks who run the GQP.


Now yes, they've been welcomed and sponsored by the oligarchs. But, that shiat started on edge lord internet forums, where Hitler jokes stopped being jokes. Then, Gen X suit nazis like Spencer and McInnes sold themselves as just "racial realists" and "defenders of western civilization", and it went national.

The Alt-Right Playbook: How to Radicalize a Normie
Youtube P55t6eryY3g
 
2021-12-04 9:07:13 AM  
Aussie_As:  Have an independent, national body set the rules which apply to all federal elections for the President and seats in the House and Senate.

Difficulty. The US Supreme Court is (at least on paper) an independent, national body that sets the rules for all. How's that been working out lately?
 
2021-12-04 9:08:29 AM  

animal color: Ham Sandvich: animal color: This is why the geographical divisions in this country will become sharper and sharper over time.

Young people, who are the most mobile demographic, will more clearly start making choices based on the politics of a place. Fewer and fewer are going to bother even considering Gilead or the penis state, simply because the politics in those places are completely broken.

They'll instead start emigrating, in larger and larger numbers, to cities or liberal states or even more enlightened countries, where the governments reflect their values. I'm sure the GQP will start passing laws to make crossing county and state lines illegal, and make leaving America punishable by drone strike.

The only problem with your theory: the Alt Reich skews younger than the GOP rank and file. A lot of the more influential fashies are under 40.

It's not a mess that the US can just wait out.

That's true, but those idiots don't speak to young people. They're entirely a fellow kids play from the old white folks who run the GQP.


That is also true. But I've been hearing some version "the old conservatives will die off soon and then liberals will have a permanent majority" for decades. It's not happening. Less than half of Americans go to college. So for every kid who goes off to college and never goes home there's another kid who never left their home town.
 
2021-12-04 9:11:26 AM  

jso2897: bostonguy: slobberbone: Two generations believed the Baby Boomers.

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"Generation" babble. It's what the 1% who own the media use to keep the poors from coming after them, and instead turn them against each other. Only really stupid people fall for it.


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2021-12-04 9:11:28 AM  

bostonguy: Actually, I meant "who" believed the Baby Boomers? :)


It's supposedly "cool" to hate the Boomers today. But I wonder what will happen when Gen X is old.

Will tomorrow's kids hate us because we were too apathetic to try to fix things?

/ cue "The Living Years" by Mike and the Mechanics
 
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