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2021-12-04 8:52:53 AM  
Didn't they find pieces of the wreckage? Is it really THAT big of a mystery anymore?
Certainly keep investigating it for closure for families and yeah, super sad whenever there is a tragedy.

But there is no ooga booga mystery like Lost or that Jesus-y Manifest show.
 
2021-12-04 8:56:53 AM  
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2021-12-04 9:05:16 AM  
If this is on Fark often enough, then maybe once it will be to report the plane found.
 
2021-12-04 9:17:59 AM  
"The wreckage could lie as far as 4,000 metres deep "

Easy peasy - barely deeper than the Titanic.
 
2021-12-04 9:18:50 AM  
His assessment seems plausible (factor in/combine data sources not currently crossed with one another) ....and he's not asking for $ to reveal his findings.

If governments want to find the plane (and sort out exactly what happened...crashes almost always yield very valuable data), review the hypothesis.
 
2021-12-04 10:03:34 AM  

Sasquach: His assessment seems plausible (factor in/combine data sources not currently crossed with one another) ....and he's not asking for $ to reveal his findings.

If governments want to find the plane (and sort out exactly what happened...crashes almost always yield very valuable data), review the hypothesis.


He'll probably ask for money to appear on talk shows though.

I would if I were him, and why not. If he's right, maybe a for TV movie can be made about his search, which he could sell the rights to.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2021-12-04 10:10:04 AM  

Alaskan Yoda: Didn't they find pieces of the wreckage? Is it really THAT big of a mystery anymore?
Certainly keep investigating it for closure for families and yeah, super sad whenever there is a tragedy.

But there is no ooga booga mystery like Lost or that Jesus-y Manifest show.


The pieces that have been found have all been wash-ups.  This of course fuels conspiracies because of the potential to break pieces off of a plane and send them out on the ocean currents.

I think for a lot of people they really just want to know why, and knowing where helps answer that.  Even if the flight recorders aren't recovered, it a crash site can be determined that can help fill in how the aircraft got out of Malay airspace and to its final location, as other radio data from the automated systems on the aircraft can be more thoroughly filled in.

It would be a lie to deny that I would like to know too.  Even as safe as flying is, when one's life is put entirely into someone else's hands it's at least mildly disconcerting, and when a reason for the loss of that many people remains undetermined it is even more disconcerting, and it means that there's one more way for a large number of people to die that we cannot perform risk-mitigation on.
 
2021-12-04 10:14:21 AM  

TWX: Alaskan Yoda: Didn't they find pieces of the wreckage? Is it really THAT big of a mystery anymore?
Certainly keep investigating it for closure for families and yeah, super sad whenever there is a tragedy.

But there is no ooga booga mystery like Lost or that Jesus-y Manifest show.

The pieces that have been found have all been wash-ups.  This of course fuels conspiracies because of the potential to break pieces off of a plane and send them out on the ocean currents.

I think for a lot of people they really just want to know why, and knowing where helps answer that.  Even if the flight recorders aren't recovered, it a crash site can be determined that can help fill in how the aircraft got out of Malay airspace and to its final location, as other radio data from the automated systems on the aircraft can be more thoroughly filled in.

It would be a lie to deny that I would like to know too.  Even as safe as flying is, when one's life is put entirely into someone else's hands it's at least mildly disconcerting, and when a reason for the loss of that many people remains undetermined it is even more disconcerting, and it means that there's one more way for a large number of people to die that we cannot perform risk-mitigation on.


Well said!
 
2021-12-04 10:23:04 AM  

Alaskan Yoda: Didn't they find pieces of the wreckage? Is it really THAT big of a mystery anymore?
Certainly keep investigating it for closure for families and yeah, super sad whenever there is a tragedy.

But there is no ooga booga mystery like Lost or that Jesus-y Manifest show.


Yep.  Multiple pieces of it have washed up in various places.

Acting like it's a big mystery for a news story is dumb...everyone knows it's at the bottom of the ocean somewhere.
 
2021-12-04 10:24:44 AM  

Ketchuponsteak: Sasquach: His assessment seems plausible (factor in/combine data sources not currently crossed with one another) ....and he's not asking for $ to reveal his findings.

If governments want to find the plane (and sort out exactly what happened...crashes almost always yield very valuable data), review the hypothesis.

He'll probably ask for money to appear on talk shows though.

I would if I were him, and why not. If he's right, maybe a for TV movie can be made about his search, which he could sell the rights to.


Not against it considering he was the only person in this that figured it would be a good idea to use ALL of the available data instead of just one part.
 
2021-12-04 10:27:45 AM  
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2021-12-04 10:28:38 AM  
The exact cause is still a mystery. If the black boxes could be find in the wreckage, which might be impossible given the depletion of the locator beacons, any mystery about the cause of the crash could be resolved.
 
2021-12-04 10:34:22 AM  

TWX: I think for a lot of people they really just want to know why, and knowing where helps answer that.  Even if the flight recorders aren't recovered, it a crash site can be determined that can help fill in how the aircraft got out of Malay airspace and to its final location, as other radio data from the automated systems on the aircraft can be more thoroughly filled in.


Flight data recorders and other devices won't reveal the pilot's state of mind as he steered the plane out to the middle of nowhere.

Existing data is pretty conclusive: a deliberate act by the pilot(s).  No indication of device failure that would have misled a competent and non-suicidal pilot to take the route he did.
 
2021-12-04 10:52:14 AM  

The Official Fark Cajun: Ketchuponsteak: Sasquach: His assessment seems plausible (factor in/combine data sources not currently crossed with one another) ....and he's not asking for $ to reveal his findings.

If governments want to find the plane (and sort out exactly what happened...crashes almost always yield very valuable data), review the hypothesis.

He'll probably ask for money to appear on talk shows though.

I would if I were him, and why not. If he's right, maybe a for TV movie can be made about his search, which he could sell the rights to.

Not against it considering he was the only person in this that figured it would be a good idea to use ALL of the available data instead of just one part.


That's his claim anyway.

I find it hard to believe that no-one else, like the official organisations, didn't use all available data.

More data might have become available since, of course, with parts of the wreckage having washed up, allowing greater use of ocean currents. That sounds correct.
 
2021-12-04 10:56:42 AM  
Bettridge's law of headlines?
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2021-12-04 11:01:04 AM  

indy_kid: TWX: I think for a lot of people they really just want to know why, and knowing where helps answer that.  Even if the flight recorders aren't recovered, it a crash site can be determined that can help fill in how the aircraft got out of Malay airspace and to its final location, as other radio data from the automated systems on the aircraft can be more thoroughly filled in.

Flight data recorders and other devices won't reveal the pilot's state of mind as he steered the plane out to the middle of nowhere.


Obviously.  But flight data recorders would reveal the exact controls manipulated and just how exactly.  Since one of the pilots had a fairly sophisticated flight simulator set up at home with this flight programmed in and everything, comparing that pilot's choices in his recorded simulator runs to what a flight recorder made record of might at least tell us if that particular man was the one operating the aircraft.  It would also tell us altitude information and potentially the state of other ancillary systems.

indy_kid: Existing data is pretty conclusive: a deliberate act by the pilot(s). No indication of device failure that would have misled a competent and non-suicidal pilot to take the route he did.


See, this is where it gets complicated and fuels conspiracy theories.  You automatically claimed suicidal, but someone else might speculate that the pilot controlling the plane managed to take bottled oxygen, depressurize the aircraft and raise it to an altitude where the rest of the occupants were killed or incapacitated, then bring the aircraft down and soft-ditch it in the ocean, potentially at a rendezvous with a boat of some kind.  And this is presuming that the plane didn't somehow reach land, which is another conspiracy theory, or that the pilot deliberately changed course but somehow became incapacitated afterward and that the aircraft eventually ran out of fuel and crashed.

Knowing the manner of which the aircraft approached touchdown will tell a lot.  If the aircraft plunged into the ocean under-control, or if it essentially ditched, or if it ran out of fuel uncontrolled, entered and uncontrolled glide, and ultimately stalled and fell from the sky will answer a lot more than simply asssuming suicidal pilot.  Hell, for all we know someone besides the pilots were aware of the unusual air traffic control situation between Malaysia and Vietnam and exploited this for a hijacking, and the pilot's deliberate turn might have been under-duress.
 
2021-12-04 11:16:46 AM  

eclecticman666: Bettridge's law of headlines?


"If the headline asks a question, the answer is no"
 
2021-12-04 12:06:25 PM  
TWX:

Even if the flight recorders aren't recovered, it a crash site can be determined that can help fill in how the aircraft got out of Malay airspace and to its final location

I'm pretty sure it we've established it did that by flying.
 
2021-12-04 12:14:48 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: The Official Fark Cajun: Ketchuponsteak: Sasquach: His assessment seems plausible (factor in/combine data sources not currently crossed with one another) ....and he's not asking for $ to reveal his findings.

If governments want to find the plane (and sort out exactly what happened...crashes almost always yield very valuable data), review the hypothesis.

He'll probably ask for money to appear on talk shows though.

I would if I were him, and why not. If he's right, maybe a for TV movie can be made about his search, which he could sell the rights to.

Not against it considering he was the only person in this that figured it would be a good idea to use ALL of the available data instead of just one part.

That's his claim anyway.

I find it hard to believe that no-one else, like the official organisations, didn't use all available data.

More data might have become available since, of course, with parts of the wreckage having washed up, allowing greater use of ocean currents. That sounds correct.


It's not that hard to believe.

Since obviously nobody else in a non-official capacity has done it until he did it, there's no reason to think anyone in an official agency thought of it. There's a tendency to believe that official agency = superior thinking processes, and that's never been in evidence at any time in history.
 
2021-12-04 12:30:31 PM  
He did it. That's how he knows.
 
2021-12-04 12:58:15 PM  
How about finding the farking plane? Now that would be a story worth writing about.
 
2021-12-04 1:09:27 PM  

New Rising Sun: "The wreckage could lie as far as 4,000 metres deep "

Easy peasy - barely deeper than the Titanic.

Couldn't agree more.  I have an old retail glass top chest freezer in my basement that a store I worked at used for ice cream.  I could empty it, buy three cans of fix a flat so I have oxygen, and be down there to scout in no time.

 
2021-12-04 2:05:20 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Ketchuponsteak: The Official Fark Cajun: Ketchuponsteak: Sasquach: His assessment seems plausible (factor in/combine data sources not currently crossed with one another) ....and he's not asking for $ to reveal his findings.

If governments want to find the plane (and sort out exactly what happened...crashes almost always yield very valuable data), review the hypothesis.

He'll probably ask for money to appear on talk shows though.

I would if I were him, and why not. If he's right, maybe a for TV movie can be made about his search, which he could sell the rights to.

Not against it considering he was the only person in this that figured it would be a good idea to use ALL of the available data instead of just one part.

That's his claim anyway.

I find it hard to believe that no-one else, like the official organisations, didn't use all available data.

More data might have become available since, of course, with parts of the wreckage having washed up, allowing greater use of ocean currents. That sounds correct.

It's not that hard to believe.

Since obviously nobody else in a non-official capacity has done it until he did it, there's no reason to think anyone in an official agency thought of it. There's a tendency to believe that official agency = superior thinking processes, and that's never been in evidence at any time in history.


It's not that hard to discount, either.

I keep seeing this guy referred to as an "MH370 Expert" but afaict he's just a regular aviation engineer who's hobby is MH370.

The thing is, until someone comes up with a pile of cash to go to 33 S 95 E and send down some ROVs and start looking, it's just pointless speculation.

Wonder if James Cameron wants to do a MH370 movie?
 
2021-12-04 3:06:49 PM  

scanman61: eclecticman666: Bettridge's law of headlines?

"If the headline asks a question, the answer is no"


Even though the answer here is clearly "yes?"
 
2021-12-04 3:21:57 PM  

flearhcp95: scanman61: eclecticman666: Bettridge's law of headlines?

"If the headline asks a question, the answer is no"

Even though the answer here is clearly "yes?"


Hah!

I guess the headline is in fact badly worded (not a surprise) and therefore ambiguous, but "could" to me, along with "finally" is trying to suggest that it has potentially been found at last (at least on paper), rather than "might" and "eventually" which would mean "the theoretical possibility exists that one day it will be".

/subby
 
2021-12-04 3:57:16 PM  

scanman61: Gyrfalcon: Ketchuponsteak: The Official Fark Cajun: Ketchuponsteak: Sasquach: His assessment seems plausible (factor in/combine data sources not currently crossed with one another) ....and he's not asking for $ to reveal his findings.

If governments want to find the plane (and sort out exactly what happened...crashes almost always yield very valuable data), review the hypothesis.

He'll probably ask for money to appear on talk shows though.

I would if I were him, and why not. If he's right, maybe a for TV movie can be made about his search, which he could sell the rights to.

Not against it considering he was the only person in this that figured it would be a good idea to use ALL of the available data instead of just one part.

That's his claim anyway.

I find it hard to believe that no-one else, like the official organisations, didn't use all available data.

More data might have become available since, of course, with parts of the wreckage having washed up, allowing greater use of ocean currents. That sounds correct.

It's not that hard to believe.

Since obviously nobody else in a non-official capacity has done it until he did it, there's no reason to think anyone in an official agency thought of it. There's a tendency to believe that official agency = superior thinking processes, and that's never been in evidence at any time in history.

It's not that hard to discount, either.

I keep seeing this guy referred to as an "MH370 Expert" but afaict he's just a regular aviation engineer who's hobby is MH370.

The thing is, until someone comes up with a pile of cash to go to 33 S 95 E and send down some ROVs and start looking, it's just pointless speculation.

Wonder if James Cameron wants to do a MH370 movie?


Well yeah...just saying, there's no reason to assume the official organizations did it just because they're "official".
 
2021-12-04 4:57:18 PM  

flearhcp95: scanman61: eclecticman666: Bettridge's law of headlines?

"If the headline asks a question, the answer is no"

Even though the answer here is clearly "yes?"


"Clearly"?

You mean they went there and recovered identifiable wreckage?  They've got sonar tracks showing the plane on the bottom?
 
2021-12-04 5:36:42 PM  

scanman61: flearhcp95: scanman61: eclecticman666: Bettridge's law of headlines?

"If the headline asks a question, the answer is no"

Even though the answer here is clearly "yes?"

"Clearly"?

You mean they went there and recovered identifiable wreckage?  They've got sonar tracks showing the plane on the bottom?


Read the question again
 
2021-12-04 8:52:18 PM  

flearhcp95: scanman61: flearhcp95: scanman61: eclecticman666: Bettridge's law of headlines?

"If the headline asks a question, the answer is no"

Even though the answer here is clearly "yes?"

"Clearly"?

You mean they went there and recovered identifiable wreckage?  They've got sonar tracks showing the plane on the bottom?

Read the question again


Headline:. MH370: Could missing Malaysian Airlines plane finally be found?
 
2021-12-04 9:15:39 PM  

scanman61: flearhcp95: scanman61: flearhcp95: scanman61: eclecticman666: Bettridge's law of headlines?

"If the headline asks a question, the answer is no"

Even though the answer here is clearly "yes?"

"Clearly"?

You mean they went there and recovered identifiable wreckage?  They've got sonar tracks showing the plane on the bottom?

Read the question again

Headline:. MH370: Could missing Malaysian Airlines plane finally be found?


Answer?  Sure it Could.  Was it found here?  Probably not.  Had it been found elsewhere yet?  Probably not.  Is it theoretically possible that it Could have been?   Absolutely.
 
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