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2021-12-04 1:28:13 AM  
Big yards and attached garages also do that.
 
2021-12-04 1:37:04 AM  
My work schedule isn't too erratic, it's been graveyard shift for more than 12 years.

But lately it does sometimes go up from 5 nights a week to 6.
 
2021-12-04 5:25:30 AM  
Being a bad neighbour makes me a bad neighbour.

But, as always, people need to take ownership of automation and efficiency and reduce work hours for everyone.
 
2021-12-04 5:27:34 AM  
Being anti-social makes me a great, discreet, minding my own business neighbor.
 
2021-12-04 7:02:54 AM  
lived most of my life in NOVA and worked long hours, weekends holidays and it was hard to get to know my neighbors or have much of a social life and tie this in with having to do chores on the little free time i had off. yep this article is correct
 
2021-12-04 7:35:24 AM  
Or subby.....and stick with me here because this gets complicated fast....


We just dont give a fark about the people who live around us unless they irritate us. Its not the 50s anymore. Our social circles do not involve the people who live next to us. Deal with it
 
2021-12-04 7:45:10 AM  

lifeslammer: Or subby.....and stick with me here because this gets complicated fast....


We just dont give a fark about the people who live around us unless they irritate us. Its not the 50s anymore. Our social circles do not involve the people who live next to us. Deal with it


Nothing like being an example of the articles point, eh?
 
2021-12-04 7:56:48 AM  

lifeslammer: Or subby.....and stick with me here because this gets complicated fast....


We just dont give a fark about the people who live around us unless they irritate us. Its not the 50s anymore. Our social circles do not involve the people who live next to us. Deal with it


nah, I think this is more accurate than people just not wanting to know their neighbors. we are just too busy trying to survive and the personal connections have disappeared
 
2021-12-04 8:43:11 AM  
Less about the erratic work schedules, than folks HAVE a circle of people that they already maintain. Phones give us contact with people, rather than just proximity. My neighbors are decent enough, but our lives don't exactly intersect all that often. We don't go to church together, our kids don't play, and my housemates know our neighbors better, mainly because their dog will often go visiting when he's out and about. And then not come home for a while, so we have to figure out what direction he set out.

When I lived on base, our neighbors were part of our circles. Work, school, our neighbors were the only kids to play with. It was a fairly closed sort of community. Back in the states...you had a few kids you ran around with, generally that you met through school, and that Army brat socialization meant I can make friends anywhere, but it doesn't mean that I always do.

Folks who don't have kids don't have as much incentive to focus on the neighbors. You have your circle of friends, often work related, or related to your hobbies or interests, and our good friends often scatter to the winds after university. We aren't necessarily tethered to the neighborhood. It isn't isolation, it's just that folks maintain their circles differently. You move, you keep that circle of friends. Even if it's a town or two over.
 
2021-12-04 8:45:29 AM  
We had neighbors move in, back in the late summer of 2020.  Because of life and the pandemic, we've probably said less than 20 words to them.  Hopefully they don't think we're terrible snobs.  We just work crazy hours, and are usually sleeping or gone when normal folks are out and about.

I miss driving and walking in the neighborhood, but with the number of idjits around here, I only go maskless in my house, my office, and my car.  And depending on what I see, while I'm driving, sometimes I drive with it on.  But this means, I stay in my house and away from my neighbors almost continually.

I miss my innocence in believing my neighbors and society was improving.  I wonder if any future historians will label this era as another Dark Age, when learning and advancement simply stopped.
 
2021-12-04 8:48:52 AM  
I've had terrible luck with neighbors. The houses on either side of me have just been white trash. Right now both places are empty and it's been nice. My backyard neighbor is okay, we both like gardening and dogs, but I have a feeling that's where our interests stop.
 
2021-12-04 9:24:21 AM  

KB202: Being a bad neighbour makes me a bad neighbour.

But, as always, people need to take ownership of automation and efficiency and reduce work hours for everyone.


Lulz. Now they make you do the work of five people from forty years ago. It will be ten soon.
 
2021-12-04 9:45:27 AM  
I sorta know two of my neighbors and they are nice other than that I don't really bother since people seem to move in and out from here in about 5 years. I don't miss the wanna be drug lord neighbor kid. The real drug dealer a few doors down was a much better neighbor, he kept everything on the DL. Only thing that gave him away was hopping in and out of cars all day and the day time strippers he had over.
 
2021-12-04 9:49:39 AM  
I have very few people in my immediate area who I have much in common with.

I am friendly with, and can recognize many of my neighbors because the dog and I would go walking, and his adorable arse was a new frends magnet. But he's gone now, and I dunno when the next mutt will turn up, or if he'll be as popular.

If the one that just passed had somehow outlived me there would have been a line around the block of volunteers willing to take him.
 
2021-12-04 10:12:41 AM  

lifeslammer: Or subby.....and stick with me here because this gets complicated fast....
We just dont give a fark about the people who live around us unless they irritate us. Its not the 50s anymore. Our social circles do not involve the people who live next to us. Deal with it


So if you have  no community anymore, who do you turn to in a disaster?  Just the government and police?  Do you stand on your porch and say, Oh help, we're flooded out, please come help us.  But nobody does, because they don't know you and you don't know them and nobody cares.  Or if there's a creepy guy walking around the neighborhood, nobody knows it because nobody knows their neighbors, and you're pretty sure that they're porch pirates anyway.  You can't tell.
The "volunteer" fire department?  Yeah, get over it.  Buy some extra insurance or something.  Same with EMS.  Christ, take better care of yourself, slobs.  These people make a shiatload of money, that's why they move out of their houses every three years.  Let them pay for the details.

So what you do is a get a lot more security, and all those internet cameras to watch things for you, and you watch your farking house on your phone. It's fascinating, in fact. Your cat can lie still for over 13 hours at a time.  You know this, because with your commute, you're sometimes gone for 14 hours.

One lucky day you contact your friends on Facebook and ask them to come over.  Five of them try, but three of them are working.  They all drive their cars individually between 10 and 60 miles for your party.  But they can't park at your house, because you live nice safe place with covenants and shiat.  So you have to drive to the interstate and pick a few of them up.  Meanwhile, one of them got lost and has followed their GPS into Bloodtown.

When you get back, the party has already been crashed by some stranger from next door, and you don't know how to get rid of  him without being rude.  shiat, now he's inviting his wife over, and it's true, they're kind of not in your class.  No college at all.
She brought you some cookies when you moved in, which is kind of weird these days, so you threw them away.  They could be laced with something.  People are crazy.  The  kid wanted to go out for Halloween, but you don't know anyone around here, so you took him to the rich neighborhood.  They have the nicest decorations anyway.  God, maybe they give out homemade stuff in this neighborhood.

You have to go out and spend about $500 on Christmas decorations, because you keep moving and they can't go.  But you have to go all out, so that the neighbors don't get all judgy, like they do.  You spent six hours on some site trying to get the bargain lighted life-size Rudolph with whinnying sounds, but turns out that they're OUT.  At Christmas--christ, what is this country coming to?  There's a neighborhood Facebook page--you wanted to put it on there.  You haven't joined  yet, but you know you have to.

You couldn't live without the internet.  It makes it so easy to make friends, and it simplifies your life so much, and saves so much money.
 
2021-12-04 10:14:21 AM  

Alphax: My work schedule isn't too erratic, it's been graveyard shift for more than 12 years.

But lately it does sometimes go up from 5 nights a week to 6.


So how does it feel to be free?
 
2021-12-04 10:15:50 AM  

KB202: Being a bad neighbour makes me a bad neighbour.

But, as always, people need to take ownership of automation and efficiency and reduce work hours for everyone.


No!!

Feeding stock owners is most important!

Cutting  labor costs means more free money for them
 
2021-12-04 10:16:50 AM  

Warrior Kermit: lived most of my life in NOVA and worked long hours, weekends holidays and it was hard to get to know my neighbors or have much of a social life and tie this in with having to do chores on the little free time i had off. yep this article is correct


Sit at home stock owners are ok with it.


Giggle
 
2021-12-04 10:17:36 AM  

lifeslammer: Or subby.....and stick with me here because this gets complicated fast....


We just dont give a fark about the people who live around us unless they irritate us. Its not the 50s anymore. Our social circles do not involve the people who live next to us. Deal with it


Divide and Conquer works!!
 
2021-12-04 10:19:09 AM  

Warrior Kermit: lifeslammer: Or subby.....and stick with me here because this gets complicated fast....


We just dont give a fark about the people who live around us unless they irritate us. Its not the 50s anymore. Our social circles do not involve the people who live next to us. Deal with it

nah, I think this is more accurate than people just not wanting to know their neighbors. we are just too busy trying to survive and the personal connections have disappeared


Yep

The murcan would rather work like a dog and feed sit at home stock owners than have a life and get to know his neighbors


Murca
 
2021-12-04 10:21:13 AM  
My neighbors are fine, I don't really know them.

The neighbors to my left are a little bit of a mystery though, it's a wife, husband and their adult son. I don't know what they do as they almost never leave the house and it's been that way since I moved here in 2006 so it's not a pandemic thing.

There are also multiple delivery trucks at their house literally every single day. UPS, fedex, Amazon. In fact, there's an amazon truck out front delivering something as I type this. Maybe they're reselling or something or maybe they're just really rich and don't need to work.

The house on my right was foreclosed on about 5 years ago when my then neighbor decided to walk away and moved to Arizona. Someone bought it and it's a rental now with a revolving door of tenants. Now it's a woman with two young kids. Before that it was about 6 bros that all lived there. There's a college about mile away so I'm guessing it was college kids but I don't know.
 
2021-12-04 10:23:32 AM  

cherryl taggart: We had neighbors move in, back in the late summer of 2020.  Because of life and the pandemic, we've probably said less than 20 words to them.  Hopefully they don't think we're terrible snobs.  We just work crazy hours, and are usually sleeping or gone when normal folks are out and about.

I miss driving and walking in the neighborhood, but with the number of idjits around here, I only go maskless in my house, my office, and my car.  And depending on what I see, while I'm driving, sometimes I drive with it on.  But this means, I stay in my house and away from my neighbors almost continually.

I miss my innocence in believing my neighbors and society was improving.  I wonder if any future historians will label this era as another Dark Age, when learning and advancement simply stopped.


The 1%s lives and fortune are improving....even maybe the top 10%. They own 84.7% of all company stocks after all.

Everyone elses is being slowly folded into the poor class

Cant go too fast bec it becomes too noticable

Used car salesman capitalism is a hellava drug

All it takes is time.
 
2021-12-04 10:24:44 AM  

Bluenosed Baker: KB202: Being a bad neighbour makes me a bad neighbour.

But, as always, people need to take ownership of automation and efficiency and reduce work hours for everyone.

Lulz. Now they make you do the work of five people from forty years ago. It will be ten soon.


Yep

And lazy sit at home stock owners approve!
 
2021-12-04 10:26:33 AM  

groppet: I sorta know two of my neighbors and they are nice other than that I don't really bother since people seem to move in and out from here in about 5 years. I don't miss the wanna be drug lord neighbor kid. The real drug dealer a few doors down was a much better neighbor, he kept everything on the DL. Only thing that gave him away was hopping in and out of cars all day and the day time strippers he had over.


Druggies are to stay away from

Unless you love drama in your life
 
2021-12-04 10:28:16 AM  

Boudyro: I have very few people in my immediate area who I have much in common with.

I am friendly with, and can recognize many of my neighbors because the dog and I would go walking, and his adorable arse was a new frends magnet. But he's gone now, and I dunno when the next mutt will turn up, or if he'll be as popular.

If the one that just passed had somehow outlived me there would have been a line around the block of volunteers willing to take him.


So how long have you been lonely?

Sorry couldnt help it 😀
 
2021-12-04 10:30:08 AM  

cryinoutloud: lifeslammer: Or subby.....and stick with me here because this gets complicated fast....
We just dont give a fark about the people who live around us unless they irritate us. Its not the 50s anymore. Our social circles do not involve the people who live next to us. Deal with it

So if you have  no community anymore, who do you turn to in a disaster?  Just the government and police?  Do you stand on your porch and say, Oh help, we're flooded out, please come help us.  But nobody does, because they don't know you and you don't know them and nobody cares.  Or if there's a creepy guy walking around the neighborhood, nobody knows it because nobody knows their neighbors, and you're pretty sure that they're porch pirates anyway.  You can't tell.
The "volunteer" fire department?  Yeah, get over it.  Buy some extra insurance or something.  Same with EMS.  Christ, take better care of yourself, slobs.  These people make a shiatload of money, that's why they move out of their houses every three years.  Let them pay for the details.

So what you do is a get a lot more security, and all those internet cameras to watch things for you, and you watch your farking house on your phone. It's fascinating, in fact. Your cat can lie still for over 13 hours at a time.  You know this, because with your commute, you're sometimes gone for 14 hours.

One lucky day you contact your friends on Facebook and ask them to come over.  Five of them try, but three of them are working.  They all drive their cars individually between 10 and 60 miles for your party.  But they can't park at your house, because you live nice safe place with covenants and shiat.  So you have to drive to the interstate and pick a few of them up.  Meanwhile, one of them got lost and has followed their GPS into Bloodtown.

When you get back, the party has already been crashed by some stranger from next door, and you don't know how to get rid of  him without being rude.  shiat, now he's inviting his wife over, and it's true, they're kind of not in your class.  No college at all.
She brought you some cookies when you moved in, which is kind of weird these days, so you threw them away.  They could be laced with something.  People are crazy.  The  kid wanted to go out for Halloween, but you don't know anyone around here, so you took him to the rich neighborhood.  They have the nicest decorations anyway.  God, maybe they give out homemade stuff in this neighborhood.

You have to go out and spend about $500 on Christmas decorations, because you keep moving and they can't go.  But you have to go all out, so that the neighbors don't get all judgy, like they do.  You spent six hours on some site trying to get the bargain lighted life-size Rudolph with whinnying sounds, but turns out that they're OUT.  At Christmas--christ, what is this country coming to?  There's a neighborhood Facebook page--you wanted to put it on there.  You haven't joined  yet, but you know you have to.

You couldn't live without the internet.  It makes it so easy to make friends, and it simplifies your life so much, and saves so much money.


Fuk em

Only your friends accept you for who you are and allow you to be yourself.  The rest are posers
 
2021-12-04 10:56:07 AM  
One thing I do miss about living in a house is the general feel of a neighborhood. Before I moved here I knew all the people around me and the older woman that owned the house next door actually grew up in the house I had bought. She showed me where she had written her name on the wall when she was little. (It was covered up by peeling wallpaper at that point). We had general family gatherings and cookouts and it was nice. I do have a circle of friends, but the whole Pleasantville aspect of living in a small town was wonderful.

In the city apartment I've been in for the past nine years people come and go so fast that I only remember them by whether or not they have a dog I can pet. The neighbor in the apartment next door is a flight attendant who is away most of the time, and when she's home she's too tired to make noise. She is the best neighbor.
 
2021-12-04 12:17:24 PM  
I pretty much sleep using those nice gel 'noise canceling' earbuds and listening to audiobooks.
 
2021-12-04 1:58:48 PM  

Warrior Kermit: lifeslammer: Or subby.....and stick with me here because this gets complicated fast....


We just dont give a fark about the people who live around us unless they irritate us. Its not the 50s anymore. Our social circles do not involve the people who live next to us. Deal with it

nah, I think this is more accurate than people just not wanting to know their neighbors. we are just too busy trying to survive and the personal connections have disappeared


Yep.

I like my neighbors.

I have zero chance of hanging out with the. Due to working weekends, third shift, and holidays.

The older I get, the more this schedule has really took a shiat on my social life. Some friends moved away, others went trumpy, etc. Which is what it is, but replacing them, or dating without the bullshiat of dating apps and taking vacation days just to have bad first dates, is virtually impossible.

It sucks.
 
2021-12-04 2:03:42 PM  
Is this the thread where we talk about how much we love our insane schedules, like that graveyard shift thread?
 
2021-12-04 5:26:03 PM  

SiotMoc: Being anti-social makes me a great, discreet, minding my own business neighbor.


Hear, hear!
 
2021-12-04 5:56:18 PM  
It takes a toll on people. Know a guy who got fired from a job because the boss demanded he work 8 days a week.
 
2021-12-05 12:42:12 AM  
I guess I'm a terrible neighbor. I paid a contractor to put up a 9 foot tall privacy fence within a week of moving in May of 2020. Everyone around me is a Trumpanzee based upon all the yard signs that showed up during the election so I really want nothing to do with them in the first place.

I mow the yard when it suits me, neither of my vehicles are on blocks, and I rarely leave the house outside of work and family/social events. There is no real "need" to know the people living around me. Not that I live in suburban Hell with 3000sq.ft. lots.
 
2021-12-05 12:18:44 PM  

lifeslammer: Or subby.....and stick with me here because this gets complicated fast....


We just dont give a fark about the people who live around us unless they irritate us. Its not the 50s anymore. Our social circles do not involve the people who live next to us. Deal with it


My neighbors next door and across the street are halfway houses. They're quiet and keep to themselves.
 
2021-12-05 4:28:51 PM  

Linux_Yes: cryinoutloud: lifeslammer: Or subby.....and stick with me here because this gets complicated fast....
We just dont give a fark about the people who live around us unless they irritate us. Its not the 50s anymore. Our social circles do not involve the people who live next to us. Deal with it

So if you have  no community anymore, who do you turn to in a disaster?  Just the government and police?  Do you stand on your porch and say, Oh help, we're flooded out, please come help us.  But nobody does, because they don't know you and you don't know them and nobody cares.  Or if there's a creepy guy walking around the neighborhood, nobody knows it because nobody knows their neighbors, and you're pretty sure that they're porch pirates anyway.  You can't tell.
The "volunteer" fire department?  Yeah, get over it.  Buy some extra insurance or something.  Same with EMS.  Christ, take better care of yourself, slobs.  These people make a shiatload of money, that's why they move out of their houses every three years.  Let them pay for the details.

So what you do is a get a lot more security, and all those internet cameras to watch things for you, and you watch your farking house on your phone. It's fascinating, in fact. Your cat can lie still for over 13 hours at a time.  You know this, because with your commute, you're sometimes gone for 14 hours.

One lucky day you contact your friends on Facebook and ask them to come over.  Five of them try, but three of them are working.  They all drive their cars individually between 10 and 60 miles for your party.  But they can't park at your house, because you live nice safe place with covenants and shiat.  So you have to drive to the interstate and pick a few of them up.  Meanwhile, one of them got lost and has followed their GPS into Bloodtown.

When you get back, the party has already been crashed by some stranger from next door, and you don't know how to get rid of  him without being rude.  shiat, now he's inviting his wife over, and i ...


truth
 
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