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2021-12-03 9:06:15 PM  
Has he killed any student assistants down there yet?
 
2021-12-03 10:23:44 PM  
Both Kelly's offensive and defensive coordinators are staying in Indiana and they are not the only ones.

Better them than me.

/I kid, South Bend seems quite nice
 
2021-12-03 10:56:45 PM  
At 10 million a year for a sport too pure to pay it's athletes, I think he'll be fine
 
2021-12-03 11:03:51 PM  
An Irish guy, always Fightin'?
 
2021-12-04 12:39:54 AM  
That oozed a lot less "you go girl" and a lot more "you didn't break up with me, I broke up with you" bitterness. About what I'd expect from ND.

You were relevant 35 years ago. Like Miami. Now, you're just a program built mainly on mid westerners clinging to a few sporadic years of greatness none of which have been in the last 3 decades.
 
151 [OhFark]
2021-12-04 12:47:16 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: That oozed a lot less "you go girl" and a lot more "you didn't break up with me, I broke up with you" bitterness. About what I'd expect from ND.

You were relevant 35 years ago. Like Miami. Now, you're just a program built mainly on mid westerners clinging to a few sporadic years of greatness none of which have been in the last 3 decades.


That's.... Certainly an opinion that you have
 
2021-12-04 1:00:24 AM  

151: Peter von Nostrand: That oozed a lot less "you go girl" and a lot more "you didn't break up with me, I broke up with you" bitterness. About what I'd expect from ND.

You were relevant 35 years ago. Like Miami. Now, you're just a program built mainly on mid westerners clinging to a few sporadic years of greatness none of which have been in the last 3 decades.

That's.... Certainly an opinion that you have


We're all still waiting to hear about why that opinion is wrong
 
2021-12-04 1:04:51 AM  

151: Peter von Nostrand: That oozed a lot less "you go girl" and a lot more "you didn't break up with me, I broke up with you" bitterness. About what I'd expect from ND.

You were relevant 35 years ago. Like Miami. Now, you're just a program built mainly on mid westerners clinging to a few sporadic years of greatness none of which have been in the last 3 decades.

That's.... Certainly an opinion that you have


Literally what the f'n comments section of a web site is for. Not that difficult a concept to grasp. Well, for most.
 
2021-12-04 1:13:54 AM  

monsatano: 151: Peter von Nostrand: That oozed a lot less "you go girl" and a lot more "you didn't break up with me, I broke up with you" bitterness. About what I'd expect from ND.

You were relevant 35 years ago. Like Miami. Now, you're just a program built mainly on mid westerners clinging to a few sporadic years of greatness none of which have been in the last 3 decades.

That's.... Certainly an opinion that you have

We're all still waiting to hear about why that opinion is wrong


In a weird way, I think ND winds up underrated by fans that don't like them. They certainly wind up overrated by polls and whatnot, but it's not like they're bad. They're just never as good as the other top teams.
 
2021-12-04 4:57:53 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: 151: Peter von Nostrand: That oozed a lot less "you go girl" and a lot more "you didn't break up with me, I broke up with you" bitterness. About what I'd expect from ND.

You were relevant 35 years ago. Like Miami. Now, you're just a program built mainly on mid westerners clinging to a few sporadic years of greatness none of which have been in the last 3 decades.

That's.... Certainly an opinion that you have

Literally what the f'n comments section of a web site is for. Not that difficult a concept to grasp. Well, for most.


Notre Dame is ranked number 6 with an 11-1 record.  I hate ND as much as anybody, but saying they haven't been relevant in 35 years is eye rolling.  No need to wet your pants over someone mildly calling you out on your hyperbole.
 
2021-12-04 6:45:47 AM  

Craw Fu: Peter von Nostrand: 151: Peter von Nostrand: That oozed a lot less "you go girl" and a lot more "you didn't break up with me, I broke up with you" bitterness. About what I'd expect from ND.

You were relevant 35 years ago. Like Miami. Now, you're just a program built mainly on mid westerners clinging to a few sporadic years of greatness none of which have been in the last 3 decades.

That's.... Certainly an opinion that you have

Literally what the f'n comments section of a web site is for. Not that difficult a concept to grasp. Well, for most.

Notre Dame is ranked number 6 with an 11-1 record.  I hate ND as much as anybody, but saying they haven't been relevant in 35 years is eye rolling.  No need to wet your pants over someone mildly calling you out on your hyperbole.


I think that's the point for me - Notre Dame doesn't get sh*t done without Brian Kelly being an asshole.

The college football gods are aligned with the Big 10 and the SEC.  This includes recruiting players and coaches and playing a relevant weighted game schedule and getting national recognition.  College football also sustains itself on rivalries and Notre Dame football doesn't really have that either - yet Kelly put Notre Dame football back in the national category in spite of not having any of these things.

From that, Brian Kelly leaving will probably create a vacuum - less winning, lower national ranking, lower recruiting, fewer fans under the age of 75 again.

/I'm rooting for Marcus Freeman but being a first time head coach at Notre Dame in that vacuum is a holy sh*t moment.  He may also need to make his grad assistants get their shovels.
 
2021-12-04 8:28:35 AM  

Craw Fu: Peter von Nostrand: 151: Peter von Nostrand: That oozed a lot less "you go girl" and a lot more "you didn't break up with me, I broke up with you" bitterness. About what I'd expect from ND.

You were relevant 35 years ago. Like Miami. Now, you're just a program built mainly on mid westerners clinging to a few sporadic years of greatness none of which have been in the last 3 decades.

That's.... Certainly an opinion that you have

Literally what the f'n comments section of a web site is for. Not that difficult a concept to grasp. Well, for most.

Notre Dame is ranked number 6 with an 11-1 record.  I hate ND as much as anybody, but saying they haven't been relevant in 35 years is eye rolling.  No need to wet your pants over someone mildly calling you out on your hyperbole.


Well, I'll admit I haven't paid much attention this year. But no, pointing out that I'm leaving a comment, an opinion, in the exact place where such things are for is not getting my pants in a bunch. So, you saying I'm being hyperbolic is kind of.... ironic.
 
2021-12-04 8:50:53 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: Craw Fu: Peter von Nostrand: 151: Peter von Nostrand: That oozed a lot less "you go girl" and a lot more "you didn't break up with me, I broke up with you" bitterness. About what I'd expect from ND.

You were relevant 35 years ago. Like Miami. Now, you're just a program built mainly on mid westerners clinging to a few sporadic years of greatness none of which have been in the last 3 decades.

That's.... Certainly an opinion that you have

Literally what the f'n comments section of a web site is for. Not that difficult a concept to grasp. Well, for most.

Notre Dame is ranked number 6 with an 11-1 record.  I hate ND as much as anybody, but saying they haven't been relevant in 35 years is eye rolling.  No need to wet your pants over someone mildly calling you out on your hyperbole.

I think that's the point for me - Notre Dame doesn't get sh*t done without Brian Kelly being an asshole.

The college football gods are aligned with the Big 10 and the SEC.  This includes recruiting players and coaches and playing a relevant weighted game schedule and getting national recognition.  College football also sustains itself on rivalries and Notre Dame football doesn't really have that either - yet Kelly put Notre Dame football back in the national category in spite of not having any of these things.

From that, Brian Kelly leaving will probably create a vacuum - less winning, lower national ranking, lower recruiting, fewer fans under the age of 75 again.

/I'm rooting for Marcus Freeman but being a first time head coach at Notre Dame in that vacuum is a holy sh*t moment.  He may also need to make his grad assistants get their shovels.


The last ND head coach that came from the Cincinntucky area with no college head coaching experience was a huge success, right?
 
2021-12-04 9:35:40 AM  
This may very well indicate something about Kelly.  However, by making Freeman the new head coach, I guess the assistants will be keeping their jobs.  I wonder if Notre Dame was bringing in a new coach from outside, if maybe some of the assistants would have headed for LSU.
 
2021-12-04 9:44:31 AM  
So what advantage is there for Notre Dame to remain independent? 'Cause I've read/heard that one of the reasons why Brian Kelly left is that Notre Dame doesn't have any conference championships or titles to play for.
 
2021-12-04 9:46:56 AM  
Kelly has been an asshole everywhere he's gone, but he won enough to mask those issues.  He also doesn't like to recruit, and his ND assistant staff were the ones putting in all the legwork to do the recruiting.  That's part of the reason BK wanted his assistants to move south with him.

ND is going to try and build around Freeman's energy.  The players love him, and he's got Tommy Rees as a solid OC - who, by the way, now has access to a private aircraft for recruiting travel.

Freeman and Rees negotiated that perk knowing Rees is going to be important in picking up top skill players at an academically-minded private school.  It's how Jagodzinski got Matty Ryan to Boston College; Jeff gave Steve Logan carte blanche with 2-3 scholarships to hunt far and wide for a good QB.
 
2021-12-04 10:04:12 AM  

browneye: So what advantage is there for Notre Dame to remain independent? 'Cause I've read/heard that one of the reasons why Brian Kelly left is that Notre Dame doesn't have any conference championships or titles to play for.


Does Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, etc. even care about winning a conference title? It's like a participation ribbon for them, they're looking at a higher prize. I think Georgia would be perfectly happy losing the SEC game today and winning the next two.
 
2021-12-04 10:16:40 AM  

ChrisDe: browneye: So what advantage is there for Notre Dame to remain independent? 'Cause I've read/heard that one of the reasons why Brian Kelly left is that Notre Dame doesn't have any conference championships or titles to play for.

Does Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, etc. even care about winning a conference title? It's like a participation ribbon for them, they're looking at a higher prize. I think Georgia would be perfectly happy losing the SEC game today and winning the next two.


Who other than UGA can afford to lose their conference championship game and still get into the playoffs?
 
2021-12-04 10:26:30 AM  
Watching the Marcus Freeman interview is going to make hating Notre Dame a little bit harder.
 
2021-12-04 10:44:08 AM  
I think LSU got the wrong coach from ND.
 
2021-12-04 10:45:56 AM  
Lol @ anyone stupid enough to think that Brian Kelly left because there aren't any rivalry games at ND or because they aren't relevant or because there's no conference to be a champion of.

Notre Dame has some student athlete requirements that LSU doesn't. Kelly thinks he will have an easier path to a title at LSU and he's making a lot more money. That's all it takes.

ND always plays:
USC
Stanford
Navy;

They often play Michigan, Miami, Ga. Tech, etc. Basically mostly private schools with good academic reputations as well. Those would also be considered rivalries even if they're not played annually.

Y'know what? I'll do what the SEC paid promoters do and instead say he went to LSU because Riley went to USC and he was scared that he was going to start losing his rivalry game every year and never get near the playoff again.
 
2021-12-04 11:00:18 AM  

ChrisDe: Does Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, etc. even care about winning a conference title? It's like a participation ribbon for them, they're looking at a higher prize. I think Georgia would be perfectly happy losing the SEC game today and winning the next two.


A Big Ten title is nice but really, it'd just be something accumulated along the way. It'd be the byproduct of winning the game(s) that previously mattered with earning the privilege of playing for more. I couldn't tell you what years we won one with the exception of 2014 and I even messed up the only year we lost one, they just don't stick out in my head.

I know I'm in the minority on the reasoning but I have a difficult time getting excited over something so contrived. The "Legends" and "Leaders" thing didn't help, what a joke that was. To Jim Delany's credit, he did backtrack on that once the uproar hit.

I fully get that I'm unappreciative of many things, that if there ever was a specialness to winning the conference it has worn off.

I do have a distinct memory of that first SEC CCG though, of being up at Granny's and watching Antonio Langham getting that pick-six. At the risk of falling to the marketing, I've always gotten the sense that the SEC CCG "means more" to SEC teams which I'm totally cool with, it just isn't my thing.

At the same time, I fully believe that beating Alabama is more important to Georgia than the immediate prize they'd get for doing so. That a conference title would also be something they'd just accumulate along the way, so to speak. The win being the reward, not what they'd get for the win itself.

I couldn't come up with the specific pic I was thinking of but it was Boston College vs. somebody in the ACC CCG and nobody was in the stands, the attendance was twenty-thousand something and that seemed to be pushing it. BC doesn't travel because they don't have fans which is a shame, the game was in Jacksonville IIRC. That acknowledged and fully taken into account, it was still pretty farking embarrassing.

I don't really think Clemson cares about winning the ACC CCG and I've never gotten the impression that anybody in the ACC does, simply because it isn't basketball.
 
2021-12-04 12:22:03 PM  

WoodyHayes: ChrisDe: Does Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, etc. even care about winning a conference title? It's like a participation ribbon for them, they're looking at a higher prize. I think Georgia would be perfectly happy losing the SEC game today and winning the next two.

A Big Ten title is nice but really, it'd just be something accumulated along the way. It'd be the byproduct of winning the game(s) that previously mattered with earning the privilege of playing for more. I couldn't tell you what years we won one with the exception of 2014 and I even messed up the only year we lost one, they just don't stick out in my head.

I know I'm in the minority on the reasoning but I have a difficult time getting excited over something so contrived. The "Legends" and "Leaders" thing didn't help, what a joke that was. To Jim Delany's credit, he did backtrack on that once the uproar hit.

I fully get that I'm unappreciative of many things, that if there ever was a specialness to winning the conference it has worn off.

I do have a distinct memory of that first SEC CCG though, of being up at Granny's and watching Antonio Langham getting that pick-six. At the risk of falling to the marketing, I've always gotten the sense that the SEC CCG "means more" to SEC teams which I'm totally cool with, it just isn't my thing.

At the same time, I fully believe that beating Alabama is more important to Georgia than the immediate prize they'd get for doing so. That a conference title would also be something they'd just accumulate along the way, so to speak. The win being the reward, not what they'd get for the win itself.

I couldn't come up with the specific pic I was thinking of but it was Boston College vs. somebody in the ACC CCG and nobody was in the stands, the attendance was twenty-thousand something and that seemed to be pushing it. BC doesn't travel because they don't have fans which is a shame, the game was in Jacksonville IIRC. That acknowledged and fully taken into account, it was still pretty farking embarrassing.

I don't really think Clemson cares about winning the ACC CCG and I've never gotten the impression that anybody in the ACC does, simply because it isn't basketball.


This is why I believe their should only be conference champions in the CFP.
 
2021-12-04 12:24:38 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Now, you're just a program built mainly on mid westerners clinging to a few sporadic years of greatness none of which have been in the last 3 decades.


i don't really "do" college football but, in the pre-playoff era (meaning, from roughly 2005 to 2018ish), it always bugged me now ND had an automatic berth if they were ranked X.

no conference, thus no conference championship, usually only played 3-4 ranked teams and could cherry pick, yet if they were above a certain watermark, automatic Final Four berth.  stupid.
 
2021-12-04 12:30:48 PM  

IAmRight: Lol @ anyone stupid enough to think that Brian Kelly left because there aren't any rivalry games at ND or because they aren't relevant or because there's no conference to be a champion of.

Notre Dame has some student athlete requirements that LSU doesn't. Kelly thinks he will have an easier path to a title at LSU and he's making a lot more money. That's all it takes.

ND always plays:
USC
Stanford
Navy;

They often play Michigan, Miami, Ga. Tech, etc. Basically mostly private schools with good academic reputations as well. Those would also be considered rivalries even if they're not played annually.

Y'know what? I'll do what the SEC paid promoters do and instead say he went to LSU because Riley went to USC and he was scared that he was going to start losing his rivalry game every year and never get near the playoff again.


Easier path to a NC?  lulz

He doesn't (didn't) have a conference championship game every year so he got to sit back in the cut like done son!

BK won't even sniff a NC at LSU and be fired/leave within 5 years is my expert prediction.

/I'm notoriously bad at predicting so of course LSU will win the NC next year
 
2021-12-04 12:40:30 PM  

rickythepenguin: Peter von Nostrand: Now, you're just a program built mainly on mid westerners clinging to a few sporadic years of greatness none of which have been in the last 3 decades.

i don't really "do" college football but, in the pre-playoff era (meaning, from roughly 2005 to 2018ish), it always bugged me now ND had an automatic berth if they were ranked X.

no conference, thus no conference championship, usually only played 3-4 ranked teams and could cherry pick, yet if they were above a certain watermark, automatic Final Four berth.  stupid.


I get hate boners for Notre Dame but the BCS bids for were for bowl games not championship games. They received one BCS championship bid.
 
2021-12-04 12:45:44 PM  

Hillbilly Jim: I get hate boners for Notre Dame but the BCS bids for were for bowl games not championship games. They received one BCS championship bid.


yeah point being, they still got an automatic bid.  everybody else had to duke it out in a conference, but not them.
 
2021-12-04 12:49:20 PM  

rickythepenguin: Hillbilly Jim: I get hate boners for Notre Dame but the BCS bids for were for bowl games not championship games. They received one BCS championship bid.

yeah point being, they still got an automatic bid.  everybody else had to duke it out in a conference, but not them.


But once you got past the championship game it didn't matter anyway. The other games didn't matter. And those bowl game bids weren't automatic, it made Notre Dame eligible to select. And why wouldn't bowl committees select ND, they're guaranteed to sell out their allotment of tickets.
 
2021-12-04 1:25:37 PM  

TheFoz: IAmRight: Lol @ anyone stupid enough to think that Brian Kelly left because there aren't any rivalry games at ND or because they aren't relevant or because there's no conference to be a champion of.

Notre Dame has some student athlete requirements that LSU doesn't. Kelly thinks he will have an easier path to a title at LSU and he's making a lot more money. That's all it takes.

ND always plays:
USC
Stanford
Navy;

They often play Michigan, Miami, Ga. Tech, etc. Basically mostly private schools with good academic reputations as well. Those would also be considered rivalries even if they're not played annually.

Y'know what? I'll do what the SEC paid promoters do and instead say he went to LSU because Riley went to USC and he was scared that he was going to start losing his rivalry game every year and never get near the playoff again.

Easier path to a NC?  lulz

He doesn't (didn't) have a conference championship game every year so he got to sit back in the cut like done son!

BK won't even sniff a NC at LSU and be fired/leave within 5 years is my expert prediction.

/I'm notoriously bad at predicting so of course LSU will win the NC next year


CCGs never cost anyone an opportunity at a title; it's always ONLY benefitted teams.
 
2021-12-04 1:27:48 PM  
I remember when Oklahoma lost their CCG 35-7 and got into the title game anyway.

I know that Georgia can lose their CCG and get into the playoff, much like Alabama has lost their CCG and gotten in. CCGs are a f*ckin' joke.
 
2021-12-04 1:30:56 PM  
At LSU, Kelly can lose two games a year and have a shot at making the playoff.

/for the record, I don't think he will and I hope he loses every game as a coach, just as I've been rooting for while he's been at Notre Dame after killing that GA
 
2021-12-04 1:40:26 PM  

IAmRight: TheFoz: IAmRight: Lol @ anyone stupid enough to think that Brian Kelly left because there aren't any rivalry games at ND or because they aren't relevant or because there's no conference to be a champion of.

Notre Dame has some student athlete requirements that LSU doesn't. Kelly thinks he will have an easier path to a title at LSU and he's making a lot more money. That's all it takes.

ND always plays:
USC
Stanford
Navy;

They often play Michigan, Miami, Ga. Tech, etc. Basically mostly private schools with good academic reputations as well. Those would also be considered rivalries even if they're not played annually.

Y'know what? I'll do what the SEC paid promoters do and instead say he went to LSU because Riley went to USC and he was scared that he was going to start losing his rivalry game every year and never get near the playoff again.

Easier path to a NC?  lulz

He doesn't (didn't) have a conference championship game every year so he got to sit back in the cut like done son!

BK won't even sniff a NC at LSU and be fired/leave within 5 years is my expert prediction.

/I'm notoriously bad at predicting so of course LSU will win the NC next year

CCGs never cost anyone an opportunity at a title; it's always ONLY benefitted teams.


Michigan this year won't make it if they lose.  I'd have to research prior years but I'm lazy so I'll just say "nuhh uhhh!" and scurry out of this thread.

/scurries
 
2021-12-04 1:52:56 PM  
I think being an asshole is part of being a college football coach

All these a-hole coaches the past few years actually make Saban seem likeable
 
2021-12-04 1:57:17 PM  

pastramithemosterotic: I think being an asshole is part of being a college football coach


:(
 
2021-12-04 2:21:25 PM  

TheFoz: IAmRight: TheFoz: IAmRight: Lol @ anyone stupid enough to think that Brian Kelly left because there aren't any rivalry games at ND or because they aren't relevant or because there's no conference to be a champion of.

Notre Dame has some student athlete requirements that LSU doesn't. Kelly thinks he will have an easier path to a title at LSU and he's making a lot more money. That's all it takes.

ND always plays:
USC
Stanford
Navy;

They often play Michigan, Miami, Ga. Tech, etc. Basically mostly private schools with good academic reputations as well. Those would also be considered rivalries even if they're not played annually.

Y'know what? I'll do what the SEC paid promoters do and instead say he went to LSU because Riley went to USC and he was scared that he was going to start losing his rivalry game every year and never get near the playoff again.

Easier path to a NC?  lulz

He doesn't (didn't) have a conference championship game every year so he got to sit back in the cut like done son!

BK won't even sniff a NC at LSU and be fired/leave within 5 years is my expert prediction.

/I'm notoriously bad at predicting so of course LSU will win the NC next year

CCGs never cost anyone an opportunity at a title; it's always ONLY benefitted teams.

Michigan this year won't make it if they lose.  I'd have to research prior years but I'm lazy so I'll just say "nuhh uhhh!" and scurry out of this thread.

/scurries


But when does it ACTUALLY happen for "landed" programs? Sure, a CCG loss costs the non-elites, largely because everyone uses it as proof they're not an elite. But it never costs one of the elites.

Before someone else brings it up...I was wrong. I remember Alabama getting an NC shot they didn't deserve (although they won) against LSU after LSU beat them in the regular season and went undefeated. It was GEORGIA that still got in the playoff after losing to Alabama.
 
2021-12-04 2:37:01 PM  

IAmRight: But when does it ACTUALLY happen for "landed" programs? Sure, a CCG loss costs the non-elites, largely because everyone uses it as proof they're not an elite. But it never costs one of the elites.

Before someone else brings it up...I was wrong. I remember Alabama getting an NC shot they didn't deserve (although they won) against LSU after LSU beat them in the regular season and went undefeated. It was GEORGIA that still got in the playoff after losing to Alabama.


I realize you're not doing an all-encompassing post here so I'm not jumping on you but I always think that resumes must be compared when saying "X" deserved/didn't deserve a slot.

If your position is that a team has to win their CCG that is a moot point, obviously.
 
2021-12-04 2:58:56 PM  

IAmRight: I remember when Oklahoma lost their CCG 35-7 and got into the title game anyway.


yeah, kinda remember that.  "how do you get into the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP game, when you didn't win your conference?"

that was always the rap on the Pac 10; "you guys don't even have a championship game!"  oh, ok, just a Heisman winner every other year, an 11-0 team with NFL talent, sorry, your royal highness.....

/yes i know it is now the Pac 12
 
2021-12-04 3:46:30 PM  
These hit pieces against the move by Kelly to LSU are tiresome and empty.  He took a different job.  He more than doubled his salary. If Orgeron, the shrimp boat captain, can win a national championship at LSU, so can Kelly.

I'm a big fan of LSU and Notre Dame. I have two degrees from LSU and my daughter attends Notre Dame. I've been to maybe a hundred games at Tiger Stadium and a half dozen in South Bend. I can assure everyone that both programs will circle the wagons and will be just fine.
 
2021-12-05 3:30:15 AM  

WoodyHayes: ChrisDe: Does Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, etc. even care about winning a conference title? It's like a participation ribbon for them, they're looking at a higher prize. I think Georgia would be perfectly happy losing the SEC game today and winning the next two.

A Big Ten title is nice but really, it'd just be something accumulated along the way. It'd be the byproduct of winning the game(s) that previously mattered with earning the privilege of playing for more. I couldn't tell you what years we won one with the exception of 2014 and I even messed up the only year we lost one, they just don't stick out in my head.

I know I'm in the minority on the reasoning but I have a difficult time getting excited over something so contrived. The "Legends" and "Leaders" thing didn't help, what a joke that was. To Jim Delany's credit, he did backtrack on that once the uproar hit.

I fully get that I'm unappreciative of many things, that if there ever was a specialness to winning the conference it has worn off.

I do have a distinct memory of that first SEC CCG though, of being up at Granny's and watching Antonio Langham getting that pick-six. At the risk of falling to the marketing, I've always gotten the sense that the SEC CCG "means more" to SEC teams which I'm totally cool with, it just isn't my thing.

At the same time, I fully believe that beating Alabama is more important to Georgia than the immediate prize they'd get for doing so. That a conference title would also be something they'd just accumulate along the way, so to speak. The win being the reward, not what they'd get for the win itself.

I couldn't come up with the specific pic I was thinking of but it was Boston College vs. somebody in the ACC CCG and nobody was in the stands, the attendance was twenty-thousand something and that seemed to be pushing it. BC doesn't travel because they don't have fans which is a shame, the game was in Jacksonville IIRC. That acknowledged and fully taken into account, it was still pretty farking embarrassing.

I don't really think Clemson cares about winning the ACC CCG and I've never gotten the impression that anybody in the ACC does, simply because it isn't basketball.


Steve Spurrier always said that he only cared about winning the SEC, and if that led to a chance at the national championship, great, but his benchmark for success was conference titles.
 
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