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(Some Guy)   The N95 mask you bought on Amazon is probably a useless knockoff, but you bought it from Amazon, so that fact should have been obvious   (advisory.com) divider line
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2021-12-03 7:29:27 PM  
Bought a case in '18
 
2021-12-03 7:42:26 PM  
1. Is there a problem of counterfeit N95's, or just KN95's?  Are the KN95's counterfeit, or just not accredited as N95?

2. Isn't a bad KN95 better than the chintzy blue disposable paper masks, or the cloth one you haven't washed since Jun 2020?
 
2021-12-03 8:11:48 PM  
I got mine at AliExpress so I'm good, right?
 
2021-12-03 8:24:35 PM  
Still better than nothing.
 
2021-12-03 8:26:35 PM  

Izunbacol: 1. Is there a problem of counterfeit N95's, or just KN95's?  Are the KN95's counterfeit, or just not accredited as N95?

2. Isn't a bad KN95 better than the chintzy blue disposable paper masks, or the cloth one you haven't washed since Jun 2020?


KN95 masks are not NIOSH certified and not up to the same filtration standard as N95.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a35383193/n95-vs-kn95-mask-differences/

If you have a rated surgical mask is it probably better than then kn95 but a kn95 will be better than rando blue mask or a cloth one.

Don't buy anything made in china as it will likely be counterfeit.

Sites I have used to get genuine n95s are:
https://www.industrialsafetyproducts.com/disposable-respirators/
https://www.grainger.com/category/safety/respiratory-protection/disposable-respirators-masks?filters=shopItemsBy&shopItemsBy=Country+of+Origin%3A+US
https://www.mcmaster.com/respirators/disposable-respirators/
 
2021-12-03 8:33:34 PM  
 
2021-12-03 9:22:27 PM  
I've been paranoid about masks since the start of all this, but a general rule of thumb is that anything that doesn't have rubber bands going around the back of your head isn't great. It can be better than other masks, but without that wraparound you aren't getting a full "95" experience.

I still buy the KN95 masks for quick outside trips or to give away. It's better than nothing.
 
2021-12-03 9:31:34 PM  

khitsicker: Sites I have used to get genuine n95s are:
[...]
https://www.grainger.com/category/safety/respiratory-protection/disposable-respirators-masks?filters=shopItemsBy&shopItemsBy=Country+of+Origin%3A+US


That's pretty much my source for almost everything safety and janitorial at my museum.  City Hall wants us to use Amazon, but fark that.  I don't shop personally at Amazon, I won't give taxpayer money to Amazon.  Grainger verifies the stuff they sell, Amazon doesn't.
 
2021-12-03 9:35:13 PM  
Anything is better than nothing.

And you're almost certainly wearing your legit N95 mask wrong anyway
 
2021-12-03 9:41:11 PM  

Gubbo: Anything is better than nothing.

And you're almost certainly wearing your legit N95 mask wrong anyway


its not that hard to fit test at home. It might not be hospital level but as long as you buy the right size mask for your face and make sure it seals around your cheeks and chin and that the nose bridge doesn't fog up your glasses you have a good enough seal to get proper filtration.

theres this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7642972/ but one of the testing methods is to put a bag over your head. take that advice at your own risk lol.
 
2021-12-03 10:00:55 PM  
I bought some 3M N95s from Amazon last week. If they are fake, they're pretty good ones.
 
2021-12-03 10:58:42 PM  
I just smelled my own face and it smells like C.Morgan 100 proof plus various farts.
 
2021-12-03 10:58:54 PM  

Izunbacol: 1. Is there a problem of counterfeit N95's, or just KN95's?  Are the KN95's counterfeit, or just not accredited as N95?

2. Isn't a bad KN95 better than the chintzy blue disposable paper masks, or the cloth one you haven't washed since Jun 2020?


To three significant digits, all KN95 masks are trash. They're not fakes, they're not counterfeit, the "standard" they adhere to is basically "wet cardboard is good enough."

And you can't trust N95 either. Too many liars, the feds don't really care anymore, but at least the standard was honest.

And if you're buying anything from Amazon expecting it to protect you? You've already lost.
 
2021-12-03 11:00:09 PM  
khitsicker: Don't buy anything made in china as it will likely be counterfeit.

the N95s I bought were made in Taiwan so I'm good
 
2021-12-03 11:00:24 PM  
I was just noticing during a purchase unrelated to masks that Amazon is 80% bullshiat knockoffs and third party resales of shiat bots harvested from Amazon and I have to ask: was it ALWAYS like this or was Amazon actually good at some point
 
2021-12-03 11:03:53 PM  
Joke's on you, subby, got my N95 at Dollar Tree
 
2021-12-03 11:04:10 PM  
The masks aren't there to protect you. They're there to reduce the chance of spreading it to others by reducing the range of your spit infested breath.

If you want personal protection, wear a respiratory with the correct filter cartridges.
 
2021-12-03 11:07:14 PM  
Man, you guys just keep loading ammo into that GOP belt fed machine gun of bollocks.
 
2021-12-03 11:07:50 PM  

Grauenwolf: The masks aren't there to protect you. They're there to reduce the chance of spreading it to others by reducing the range of your spit infested breath.

If you want personal protection, wear a respiratory with the correct filter cartridges.


Umm.

Those cartridges are labeled N95. Unless they're N100, P95 or P100.

So, stop being stupid, people can see you.
 
2021-12-03 11:09:11 PM  

khitsicker: and for when shiat really hits the fan.

https://www.amazon.com/MIRA-SAFETY-Certified-Respirator-Professional/dp/B08DFPNG7P/
https://www.amazon.com/Certified-filter-Longest-shelf-life/dp/B07XNSMBH5/
https://www.amazon.com/MXBAOHENG-Resistant-Radiation-flameproof-Firefighter/dp/B07STZ4X1S/?th=1


The respirator has an exhaust valve, making it not appropriate to prevent the spread of disease.   Respirators certified for health-care settings don't have exhaust valves.

If it really hits the fan, I've got a stash of P-100 masks, better than those N-95s.
 
2021-12-03 11:10:45 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: I was just noticing during a purchase unrelated to masks that Amazon is 80% bullshiat knockoffs and third party resales of shiat bots harvested from Amazon and I have to ask: was it ALWAYS like this or was Amazon actually good at some point

I bought books from amazon back in the 90's.  they were good back then.
 
2021-12-03 11:11:11 PM  

Grauenwolf: The masks aren't there to protect you. They're there to reduce the chance of spreading it to others by reducing the range of your spit infested breath.

If you want personal protection, wear a respiratory with the correct filter cartridges.


Say again?I'm sorry Mr. Scientist, I couldn't hear you over my dystopian fabulousness
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2021-12-03 11:11:20 PM  
Jesus, the N95 vs KN95 has been beat to death for 18 months now.

If you don't understand the K means "krappy", you deserve to get whatever infection you get.
 
2021-12-03 11:11:41 PM  

RolandTGunner: Still better than nothing.


From what I heard, emphasis "heard", some of these cheapo masks have dangerous unapproved filtering material which can go into your respiratory system and fark you up real good.
 
2021-12-03 11:12:12 PM  
Joke's on them, I got mine through an ad here on Fark.
 
2021-12-03 11:13:15 PM  
Mine is pretty good...it says anti-virus on it and everything.

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2021-12-03 11:13:45 PM  

jaivirtualcard: RolandTGunner: Still better than nothing.

From what I heard, emphasis "heard", some of these cheapo masks have dangerous unapproved filtering material which can go into your respiratory system and fark you up real good.


A lot of the old Russian surplus gas mask filters use friable asbestos as the filter media.

Keeps you alive today as a military grunt, who gives a shiat after you're out for 30 years
 
2021-12-03 11:14:53 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: I was just noticing during a purchase unrelated to masks that Amazon is 80% bullshiat knockoffs and third party resales of shiat bots harvested from Amazon and I have to ask: was it ALWAYS like this or was Amazon actually good at some point


In my opinion, it's been a steady decline in quality. Amazon went from a virtual big box store to a virtual flea market. They're still coasting on the reputation they had a decade ago. I finally canceled my Prime last month and have no intention of shopping there again.
 
2021-12-03 11:16:05 PM  
I stay outdoors.
 
2021-12-03 11:17:29 PM  

Gough: khitsicker: and for when shiat really hits the fan.

https://www.amazon.com/MIRA-SAFETY-Certified-Respirator-Professional/dp/B08DFPNG7P/
https://www.amazon.com/Certified-filter-Longest-shelf-life/dp/B07XNSMBH5/
https://www.amazon.com/MXBAOHENG-Resistant-Radiation-flameproof-Firefighter/dp/B07STZ4X1S/?th=1

The respirator has an exhaust valve, making it not appropriate to prevent the spread of disease.   Respirators certified for health-care settings don't have exhaust valves.

If it really hits the fan, I've got a stash of P-100 masks, better than those N-95s.


this was more or less a joke post.... buuuuuuut CBRN > p100, by many factors.
 
2021-12-03 11:17:57 PM  

Grauenwolf: The masks aren't there to protect you. They're there to reduce the chance of spreading it to others by reducing the range of your spit infested breath.


This hypothesis has been debunked at this point.  Covid is spread by aerosol.  It is airborne. More than just a primitive spit-catcher is needed to effectively stop it.  It also is why hand washing and wiping down groceries is not stopping covid.
 
2021-12-03 11:22:37 PM  
I bought a box of disposable KN95 masks when Omicron started being reported in the US. Even if they are knockoffs they definitely works better than the multilayer cotton masks I've been using since when that was the only thing available to us non-essential folks.
 
2021-12-03 11:24:57 PM  
A short concise article, nice.

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2021-12-03 11:25:33 PM  

jaivirtualcard: RolandTGunner: Still better than nothing.

From what I heard, emphasis "heard", some of these cheapo masks have dangerous unapproved filtering material which can go into your respiratory system and fark you up real good.


this reminds me of when my mother in law said it was actually the sunscreen that was going to give you cancer
 
2021-12-03 11:25:54 PM  

farkitallletitend: I stay outdoors.


Homeless?
 
2021-12-03 11:26:16 PM  

fragMasterFlash: I bought a box of disposable KN95 masks when Omicron started being reported in the US. Even if they are knockoffs they definitely works better than the multilayer cotton masks I've been using since when that was the only thing available to us non-essential folks.


Nope, kns could be made from compressed black mold spores - so long as they hit certain filtering thresholds.

KN masks aren't worth it, leave them to the countries that make them.
 
2021-12-03 11:30:40 PM  

GranoblasticMan: Hyperbolic Hyperbole: I was just noticing during a purchase unrelated to masks that Amazon is 80% bullshiat knockoffs and third party resales of shiat bots harvested from Amazon and I have to ask: was it ALWAYS like this or was Amazon actually good at some point

In my opinion, it's been a steady decline in quality. Amazon went from a virtual big box store to a virtual flea market. They're still coasting on the reputation they had a decade ago. I finally canceled my Prime last month and have no intention of shopping there again.


my experience as well. At one point in time i was averaging about 1000 a month on amazon. Then it got to where I was buying products and they were fake knockoffs boxed as real stuff. After the third time I all but quit shopping there at all. If I drop 600 bucks on an item it needs to be the real deal when I receive it.

Also I received several items that had been opened and some even used. Having family that works in their warehouse I know the proper procedure for this type merchandise and they werent being followed. For instance I got a 270 dollar starter for my Honda labeled "new starter. but box was damaged" and I gave 40 bucks for it 2 yrs ago. Still going strong. But dont send me a 800 dollar rifle optic and it be in a box held together with scotch tape and missing the mounts lens cover and paperwork then give me shiat about returning it because I sent it back as I received it.
 
2021-12-03 11:42:00 PM  
No shiaaaaaaaaaaaat.

As if we haven't already learned by now that resold garbage on Amazon is trash?
 
2021-12-03 11:43:53 PM  

cefm: No shiaaaaaaaaaaaat.

As if we haven't already learned by now that resold garbage on Amazon is trash?


Given the amount of deliveries they make a day, it's clear Americans are happier than a pig in shiat buying the cheapest crap known to man from a dude that launches himself into space in a tin can dick.
 
2021-12-03 11:45:13 PM  
For starters, 3M has a very motivated, highly active fraud division. You can reach them here:

If you have purchased 3M products and would like more information on detecting fraud and avoiding counterfeit products, please contact us.

US:1 (800) 426-8688
Canada(English): 1 (800) 426-8688
Canadian(French): 1 (800) 426-8688
Brazil: 0800 878-2808
Mexico: +525546319926

Second, when I called 3M to check on the legitimacy of my filters, which I purchased from Amazon, the reply was, "Most of the vendors under the 3M name on Amazon are legitimate." 

But, you can also check them online at 3M here, with the lot numbers: 

https://safeguard.3m.com/Guest#/Validation

Now, on top of this, should you wish to get properly vetted products, you can order directly from 3M.com

I personally like to use their disposable N95s: Particulate Respirator 8210
I also use their P100 filters with my half and full face respirators: Particulate Filter 7093, P100

While news tends to thrive on sensationalism and bullschitt, the line must be drawn when people are trying to protect themselves. Full disclosure, I'm the guy who wrote about catching COVID in march of 2020. I almost died twice, and recently managed to live through a pulmonary embolism this October. I'm three for three. 

COVID, normal COVID is nothing to fsck with. Delta and Omicron? You better believe you should be wearing an N95 at the very least. 

Driving everyone away from Amazon when the 3M store there is legit in a time of real, for real crisis is an exceptionally shiatty thing to do. Establishing paranoia when people need to do everything in their power to not get infected is ghoulish at best. 

If in doubt, call the numbers above. Get protected. The disease doesn't fsck around, nor should you allow media to push you into a position of paralysis.
 
2021-12-03 11:52:57 PM  
I've just been buying KF94s from there. They're slightly less effective than N95s (obviously, hence the 94), but they're way cheaper, way better than a basic flu mask, and they're made in Korea, which has actual manufacturing standards, as opposed to China, which doesn't, so I can trust the damn things actually work.

That said, if you're in a particularly vulnerable profession where you know you -need- that extra percent, get them made in a country that isn't China. MOST countries have clear standards on manufacturing medical-grade masks, and well, they don't.
 
2021-12-03 11:58:05 PM  
Are the N95's reusable?

Basically what cost am I looking at for each month if I exclusively use those?
 
2021-12-03 11:58:30 PM  
Bought 800.00 worth of 3M N95 masks when they became available again. Ready to ride this wave with this and some homemade Everclear aloe and tea tree oil hand sanitizer. Two Pfizer  shots and a booster.

Cheers. 🥃
 
2021-12-04 12:01:02 AM  
Unless you're getting the made in Mexico 3M N95s( which are really good)

https://shop.demetech.us/ Demetech had been the last US producer of rated masks.

Armbrust is a texas based company that makes the surgical style masks
 
2021-12-04 12:01:12 AM  

GranoblasticMan: Hyperbolic Hyperbole: I was just noticing during a purchase unrelated to masks that Amazon is 80% bullshiat knockoffs and third party resales of shiat bots harvested from Amazon and I have to ask: was it ALWAYS like this or was Amazon actually good at some point

In my opinion, it's been a steady decline in quality. Amazon went from a virtual big box store to a virtual flea market. They're still coasting on the reputation they had a decade ago. I finally canceled my Prime last month and have no intention of shopping there again.


I'm somebody who rarely returns anything but in the past year, it's been mind-boggling how many things I've returned to Amazon for being crap. Light fixtures marketed for outdoor use that rust in six weeks. Phone charger clock combo represented and described as wood when it is not much more than cardboard covered in wood grained contact paper. When I tried to return each of these, Amazon said they weren't returnable because they were third party. I got customer service to reverse that.
 
2021-12-04 12:02:46 AM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: Bought 800.00 worth of 3M N95 masks when they became available again. Ready to ride this wave with this and some homemade Everclear aloe and tea tree oil hand sanitizer. Two Pfizer  shots and a booster.

Cheers. 🥃


You forgot the Ivermectin.
 
2021-12-04 12:03:57 AM  
The yellow elastic bands on the 3M N-95 masks are amazing. After years in the garage their stretch and strength are exceptional. I'd buy that elastic if they sold it.
 
2021-12-04 12:05:18 AM  

ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: fragMasterFlash: I bought a box of disposable KN95 masks when Omicron started being reported in the US. Even if they are knockoffs they definitely works better than the multilayer cotton masks I've been using since when that was the only thing available to us non-essential folks.

Nope, kns could be made from compressed black mold spores - so long as they hit certain filtering thresholds.

KN masks aren't worth it, leave them to the countries that make them.


So are you really a Truther who believes there is a conspiracy to sell us all infected masks so we will all get infected by wearing them? Is that really the path you want this discussion to take?

/my masks are fine
//they were made in Wuhan
 
2021-12-04 12:09:15 AM  
 
2021-12-04 12:09:56 AM  

jaivirtualcard: Are the N95's reusable?

Basically what cost am I looking at for each month if I exclusively use those?


after 8hish of exposure they would not stay n95 rated. Part of what makes them such good filters is an electric charge which attracts particles. this will "run out" after a while and will not filter particles as effectively. You can keep using them until the filter material is clogged and you still will get better filtration than a kn95 or surgical mask.

manufacturers are looking at ways to "recharge" them but nothing so far that is NIOSH approved.

https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0023940
 
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