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2021-12-03 7:07:19 PM  
Even at 30Hz, what kind of bandwidth do you need to port a 4K screen over wireless?
 
2021-12-03 7:15:39 PM  
Depends on compression. If you have a simple screen layout with large, single color blocks, then it's easy.

If you have non-repeating elements such as high resolution pictures or complex gradients, then it becomes really hard.

Tom Scott did a video talking about how falling snow rapidly degrades YouTube to the point where it's nearly unusable.
 
2021-12-03 7:17:14 PM  
So...
Good, you can cast Windows to a Mac display.
Bad, it's Windows 11
 
2021-12-03 7:31:55 PM  
Subby....a large portion of us might think macs are overpriced, low quality status symbols, but they do function

They always have had at least one good use
 
2021-12-03 7:39:10 PM  

lifeslammer: Subby....a large portion of us might think macs are overpriced, low quality status symbols, but they do function

They always have had at least one good use


I use both. On my Windows machine at the moment.
But the new M1 chips are pretty strong. Like, really really strong.
 
2021-12-03 7:40:03 PM  

lifeslammer: Subby....a large portion of us might think macs are overpriced, low quality status symbols, but they do function

They always have had at least one good use


I love how much you cry and whine in these threads. You'd think if you cared so little for Apple products you wouldn't go out of your way to comment every single time.

Cue hot tears in 3... 2...
 
2021-12-03 7:44:14 PM  
Luna Display is a product by Astropad that lets you turn an iPad into a wireless second display. The $130 offering uses a dongle and works with Windows PCs and Macs.

So pay $130 for a dongle that turns your ten inch iPad into a monitor? Instead of going on Amazon and buying a twenty inch monitor for the same price?
 
2021-12-03 8:04:27 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Luna Display is a product by Astropad that lets you turn an iPad into a wireless second display. The $130 offering uses a dongle and works with Windows PCs and Macs.

So pay $130 for a dongle that turns your ten inch iPad into a monitor? Instead of going on Amazon and buying a twenty inch monitor for the same price?


The silliest part is that iPads can be made into a wireless second display natively if you're using a Mac. No need for a dongle or anything. Half of the advertised functionality is useless.
 
2021-12-03 8:16:01 PM  
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2021-12-03 8:17:19 PM  

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The problem isn't with mug's handle, it's with the way you're holding it.
 
2021-12-03 8:24:58 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: So pay $130 for a dongle that turns your ten inch iPad into a monitor? Instead of going on Amazon and buying a twenty inch monitor for the same price?


The ipad is a higher resolution screen than any $130 monitor will be, if that matters for your application.

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: But the new M1 chips are pretty strong. Like, really really strong.


Apple's insistence on soldering in the RAM and primary storage makes them a non-starter. I get that they're nice for portables, but then you have to deal with Apple's terrible (poor key travel; comically oversized touchpads) input devices and all the other "one size fits some" decisions they've made for everyone who buys their hardware.

If you aren't doing the content creation work that's going to take greatest advantage of that M1 chip, you could just as well buy a midrange Chromebook probably get about the same level of productivity; MS Word and posting on Facebook doesn't exactly need a ton of horsepower.
 
2021-12-03 8:37:17 PM  
What do you mean "at last"? There's nothing new about finding a good use for a Mac.
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2021-12-03 8:47:05 PM  
....grabs popcorn....

This should be fun
 
2021-12-03 9:04:35 PM  

Ivo Shandor: What do you mean "at last"? There's nothing new about finding a good use for a Mac.
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I had one of those. That one looks photoshopped though. no sealant around the edges or hole at the top to change water  and feed the fish.
 
2021-12-03 9:10:41 PM  

khitsicker: Ivo Shandor: What do you mean "at last"? There's nothing new about finding a good use for a Mac.
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I had one of those. That one looks photoshopped though. no sealant around the edges or hole at the top to change water  and feed the fish.


or one of the fake acrylic mini aquarium that you just stick in an empty shell.
 
2021-12-03 9:20:14 PM  
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2021-12-03 9:35:08 PM  

scanman61: ....grabs popcorn....

This should be fun


Yeah, it's Friday night, so the teenage douchebags don't have any homework to do. They can bag on Apple products to try to make their tiny, tiny dicks seem larger.
 
2021-12-03 10:06:11 PM  

bingethinker: Yeah, it's Friday night, so the teenage douchebags don't have any homework to do. They can bag on Apple products to try to make their tiny, tiny dicks seem larger.


You really think teenagers spend their Friday nights on Fark discussing Mac computers?
 
2021-12-03 10:13:35 PM  

bingethinker: Yeah, it's Friday night, so the teenage douchebags don't have any homework to do. They can bag on Apple products to try to make their tiny, tiny dicks seem larger.


Oh, and spending your Friday night talking about the size of teenagers dicks, while defending Apple Incorporated, is kinda pathetic.
 
2021-12-03 10:15:07 PM  

khitsicker: khitsicker: Ivo Shandor: What do you mean "at last"? There's nothing new about finding a good use for a Mac.
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I had one of those. That one looks photoshopped though. no sealant around the edges or hole at the top to change water and feed the fish.

or one of the fake acrylic mini aquarium that you just stick in an empty shell.

Most realistic aquarium screen-saver I've ever seen.
 
2021-12-03 10:17:37 PM  

Without Fail: bingethinker: Yeah, it's Friday night, so the teenage douchebags don't have any homework to do. They can bag on Apple products to try to make their tiny, tiny dicks seem larger.

You really think teenagers spend their Friday nights on Fark discussing Mac computers?


Yes because it's that or talking about how hot their 2080ti gets.
 
2021-12-03 10:29:32 PM  

COMALite J: khitsicker: khitsicker: Ivo Shandor: What do you mean "at last"? There's nothing new about finding a good use for a Mac.
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I had one of those. That one looks photoshopped though. no sealant around the edges or hole at the top to change water and feed the fish.

or one of the fake acrylic mini aquarium that you just stick in an empty shell.
Most realistic aquarium screen-saver I've ever seen.


hah took an hour but I actually managed to find an old pic of mine.
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6 gal or so If I remember correctly.
 
2021-12-04 12:06:35 AM  
Macs are fine. Open up the terminal, install homebrew, and then completely ignore the rest of the OS. Of course, that's just for work. Macs are pretty useless beyond that.
 
2021-12-04 12:42:45 AM  

Likwit: Carter Pewterschmidt: Luna Display is a product by Astropad that lets you turn an iPad into a wireless second display. The $130 offering uses a dongle and works with Windows PCs and Macs.

So pay $130 for a dongle that turns your ten inch iPad into a monitor? Instead of going on Amazon and buying a twenty inch monitor for the same price?

The silliest part is that iPads can be made into a wireless second display natively if you're using a Mac. No need for a dongle or anything. Half of the advertised functionality is useless.


Astropad used to be the best solution for using iPads as second displays on Macs (no dongle required).  But then Apple built that functionality into MacOS.
 
2021-12-04 2:12:50 AM  
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2021-12-04 9:19:17 AM  
Aww, it's another thread where the people who enjoy their Macs just shrug and the the PC folks obsess over them.  It's a weird one-way obsession.
 
2021-12-04 10:42:37 AM  
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2021-12-04 11:39:46 AM  
When good intelligence is put to stupid use we get products for stupid people that solve non existent problems or offer pointless frills.


You apparently by the article imagery, already have a decent 24+" screen to use. And this product imagines you want to pay USD $124 to get to use your 14" laptop screen as a second display to the 24+" one?
When you can just get another 22"-24" display for not much more than  that?


This is a gadget for status seekers whose existence is justified only in helping keep up the one a minuet pace of birthing fresh suckers.

Which reminds me:

If a coward dies a thousand deaths.
And a sucker is born every minute.
the i'd deduce a sucker is reborn a thousand times.
 
2021-12-04 11:45:45 AM  

optikeye: [Fark user image 420x632]


I like that one.

If the things were not selling for stupid high prices on Ebay, I'd make one of those.
 
2021-12-04 2:17:48 PM  
Ooh, did I miss the part where people pile into the thread with the prices for parts and how they can build an equivalent computer for less money?

That's my favorite part of these threads, I find people missing the point entirely really amusing.
 
2021-12-04 3:38:45 PM  

Grauenwolf: Depends on compression. If you have a simple screen layout with large, single color blocks, then it's easy.

If you have non-repeating elements such as high resolution pictures or complex gradients, then it becomes really hard.

Tom Scott did a video talking about how falling snow rapidly degrades YouTube to the point where it's nearly unusable.


You can see this in any digital TV broadcast - terrestrial or satellite - especially on subchannels or non-premium channels where the provider assigns less bandwidth for the less profitable channels.

Think the difference between premium paid HBO vs the free "old classic movie channel".  Action scenes in the bandwidth restricted channels often degrade to chunky pixels even though the input signal strength may be perfect.
 
2021-12-04 3:39:51 PM  

xsarien: Ooh, did I miss the part where people pile into the thread with the prices for parts and how they can build an equivalent computer for less money?

That's my favorite part of these threads, I find people missing the point entirely really amusing.


Which point you got there?  The one under your hat?
 
2021-12-04 3:43:36 PM  

Izunbacol: Aww, it's another thread where the people who enjoy their Macs just shrug and the the PC folks obsess over them.  It's a weird one-way obsession.


As a third-party bystander I do enjoy how it gets you worked up, though ;)
 
2021-12-04 3:59:52 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: lifeslammer: Subby....a large portion of us might think macs are overpriced, low quality status symbols, but they do function

They always have had at least one good use

I use both. On my Windows machine at the moment.
But the new M1 chips are pretty strong. Like, really really strong.


I'd like to have one just to play around with, but I'd prefer to be able to run Linux on it.  Supposedly that support is in progress.

I've got an AMD 5850U based mini PC that cost me about $850.  To get the iMac Mini up to its 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD spec would be $1100 with lower performance numbers.

OTOH, rumors say an iMac Mini with an M1 Pro or Max processor may be coming... now that would be something I've love to run Linux on even at a premium price.
 
2021-12-04 4:24:06 PM  

Randrew: I'd like to have one just to play around with, but I'd prefer to be able to run Linux on it.  Supposedly that support is in progress.


The SO built himself a 'hackintosh' using a HP laptop. That runs MacOS, Windows 10, and Linux. And Linux was basically the foundation that "Modern" Mac OS was built on.
So, look at building a Hackintosh. Finding the drivers...and other things can be "wow' thing for some...or "Fark this get me a MacBook Air.

Took him awhile to do it....but I recently said "Hey...maybe I could get you a MacAir for Xmas" and he was like "nope, don't you dare"
He likes his Hackintosh. He likes sticking his hands in it and getting them dirty.

Tho, you can run Mac OS on a fast Linux build...using a "Virtual Machine"
But frankly. (and I'm a big Apple Fan) for desktop and even in some cases laptops. Unless you're doing apps Apple does well with (graphics and editing and some desktop publishing) ...don't bother with needing that extra 'power'
 
2021-12-04 5:14:26 PM  

optikeye: Randrew: I'd like to have one just to play around with, but I'd prefer to be able to run Linux on it.  Supposedly that support is in progress.

The SO built himself a 'hackintosh' using a HP laptop. That runs MacOS, Windows 10, and Linux. And Linux was basically the foundation that "Modern" Mac OS was built on.
So, look at building a Hackintosh. Finding the drivers...and other things can be "wow' thing for some...or "Fark this get me a MacBook Air.

Took him awhile to do it....but I recently said "Hey...maybe I could get you a MacAir for Xmas" and he was like "nope, don't you dare"
He likes his Hackintosh. He likes sticking his hands in it and getting them dirty.

Tho, you can run Mac OS on a fast Linux build...using a "Virtual Machine"
But frankly. (and I'm a big Apple Fan) for desktop and even in some cases laptops. Unless you're doing apps Apple does well with (graphics and editing and some desktop publishing) ...don't bother with needing that extra 'power'


Mild correction: Mac OS is based on licensed BSD Unix, not Linux. It's a distinction without much of a difference (outside of some licensing matters), but it is a distinction.
 
2021-12-04 5:34:35 PM  

likefunbutnot: optikeye: Randrew: I'd like to have one just to play around with, but I'd prefer to be able to run Linux on it.  Supposedly that support is in progress.

The SO built himself a 'hackintosh' using a HP laptop. That runs MacOS, Windows 10, and Linux. And Linux was basically the foundation that "Modern" Mac OS was built on.
So, look at building a Hackintosh. Finding the drivers...and other things can be "wow' thing for some...or "Fark this get me a MacBook Air.

Took him awhile to do it....but I recently said "Hey...maybe I could get you a MacAir for Xmas" and he was like "nope, don't you dare"
He likes his Hackintosh. He likes sticking his hands in it and getting them dirty.

Tho, you can run Mac OS on a fast Linux build...using a "Virtual Machine"
But frankly. (and I'm a big Apple Fan) for desktop and even in some cases laptops. Unless you're doing apps Apple does well with (graphics and editing and some desktop publishing) ...don't bother with needing that extra 'power'

Mild correction: Mac OS is based on licensed BSD Unix, not Linux. It's a distinction without much of a difference (outside of some licensing matters), but it is a distinction.


Still with a hackentosh...you run 'a version' under free linux on a HP.  YOU CAN ...BUT SHOULD YOU BLANCH. SHOULD YOU?
 
2021-12-04 6:10:51 PM  

optikeye: BUT SHOULD YOU BLANCH. SHOULD YOU?


If you're a Unix person, Mac OS has a more polished GUI than many other desktop environments. You'll probably leave one or more terminal or remote shell sessions open for doing work, and those things will largely be the same no matter what *nix you're using. It's just that you're going to get support for some common desktop software that doesn't exist in Unixland, like Adobe Creative Suite and MS Office  On the other hand, Finder is very possibly the worst file management interface I know of on a contemporary desktop OS, and Hackintoshes are locked out from some of the stuff Apple touts as the main reasons to consider Mac OS in the first place, like AirDrop and iMessage support.

It's kind of hard for me to get excited about them. I don't see any value to Apple's ecosystem, and I think it's generally easier to get other versions of Unix or even ChromeOS to interoperate than mess with the things Apple doesn't want to play nice with.
 
2021-12-04 8:11:34 PM  

likefunbutnot: Hackintoshes are locked out from some of the stuff Apple touts as the main reasons to consider Mac OS in the first place, like AirDrop and iMessage support.


Oh no.. don't stop.

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2021-12-04 9:59:33 PM  

likefunbutnot: Hackintoshes are locked out from some of the stuff Apple touts as the main reasons to consider Mac OS in the first place, like AirDrop and iMessage support.


Until about a month ago I had a desktop Hackmac and all the features worked fine.
 
2021-12-04 11:19:13 PM  

likefunbutnot: Carter Pewterschmidt: So pay $130 for a dongle that turns your ten inch iPad into a monitor? Instead of going on Amazon and buying a twenty inch monitor for the same price?

The ipad is a higher resolution screen than any $130 monitor will be, if that matters for your application.

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: But the new M1 chips are pretty strong. Like, really really strong.

Apple's insistence on soldering in the RAM and primary storage makes them a non-starter.


The M1 is a SOC, so having the components on one chip is part of the reason they are fast.
It does suck, as any upgrades or most repairs are impossible.
But unfortunately, as many laptops get thinner, other manufacturers are also soldering in RAM and SSDs.

If you want a laptop that still has the ability for RAM and storage upgrades, you just about are limited to gaming machines, or higher end business class laptops.

But this laptop looks really interesting. Hopefully, they are successful.
 
2021-12-05 12:35:11 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: If you want a laptop that still has the ability for RAM and storage upgrades, you just about are limited to gaming machines, or higher end business class laptops.


I've been buying Thinkpads for 25 years and I have no plans to stop, but even the $300 Tongfang (Acer/HP-branded) vomit laptops Walmart is selling have an open DIMM slot an upgradeable nVMe.  I'm hoping to see something I like in a proper 14" form factor, but I'll buy an X1 Carbon Extreme if I have to.

Gaming machines are of course born to die, but I do have to respect seeing sub-$1500 computers with OLED WQHD screens, discrete graphics and a pair of m.2 slots. Those machines can do real work, at least until the cooling system takes a crap.

I can't respect what Apple is doing. The "car with the engine compartment welded shut" analogy is unbearably close to the reality of the situation. Especially when Apple is pointing to RAM- and disk-intensive content creation as a primary application for its SoC. "Maybe I should've paid the extra $1000 to get a 2TB internal drive because now I need a new $2500 laptop" is going to become an entirely too common line of thinking for M1 Mac owners.
 
2021-12-05 2:52:33 AM  
Maybe ten years ago there was this really nifty tool called Synergy. You could seamlessly use the same mouse and keyboard across multiple systems, mac PC Linux, just move to the next screen over and you're on that computer. Then it got buggy. The end? Now they make you pay for it and it's apparently still buggy.
 
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