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(Tech Xplore)   Small, isolated communities look to building their own microgrids as a fallback to the main grid. Blackjack and hookers are optional, batteries are not   (techxplore.com) divider line
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589 clicks; posted to STEM » on 03 Dec 2021 at 4:45 PM (6 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-12-03 2:13:08 PM  
Really, that's how renewable is going to start. It's not going to be tear down existing and replace it, it's going to be start small, build up over time and eventually the coal plants will become too obsolete and expensive to maintain and they'll fall over
 
2021-12-03 3:24:38 PM  

cretinbob: Really, that's how renewable is going to start. It's not going to be tear down existing and replace it, it's going to be start small, build up over time and eventually the coal plants will become too obsolete and expensive to maintain and they'll fall over

lobby the state legislatures to make them illegal because reasons.
 
2021-12-03 4:44:33 PM  
Ford's EV F150's can serve as batteries. An expensive option right now, but pioneering dual-use, so you're not paying for both transport and home storage battery.

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2021-12-03 5:17:02 PM  
This looks a lot like the "Smart Grid" plan President Obama was pushing back in 2010.
 
2021-12-03 5:24:21 PM  
By 2070 we'll "pellet generators" that burn mined and processed landfills.

By then we'll know better than to think of the environment as something other than lost.

And we'll be far more concerned with keeping the plasma rifles charged before the redhats come marauding again.
 
2021-12-03 5:37:57 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: cretinbob: Really, that's how renewable is going to start. It's not going to be tear down existing and replace it, it's going to be start small, build up over time and eventually the coal plants will become too obsolete and expensive to maintain and they'll fall over lobby the state legislatures to make them illegal because reasons.


And then the coal plants will fail and there won't be electricity to worry about.
 
2021-12-03 5:45:06 PM  
Solar + wind + battery and you are good to go, pretty much anywhere on the planet.
 
2021-12-03 6:26:43 PM  
But are the batteries included?
 
2021-12-03 6:36:39 PM  
Cue the power companies suing them for infringement on their territory in 5...4...3...2...
 
2021-12-03 6:43:01 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: they'll lobby the state legislatures to make them illegal because reasons.


AmbassadorBooze: Cue the power companies suing them for infringement on their territory in 5...4...3...2...


Already happening in several places.
 
2021-12-03 7:08:13 PM  

cretinbob: Really, that's how renewable is going to start. It's not going to be tear down existing and replace it, it's going to be start small, build up over time and eventually the coal plants will become too obsolete and expensive to maintain and they'll fall over


If had the money I'd already have a solar roof and batteries. I'm trying to figure out how to get the money together before the current roof, about to be 20 years old, craps out.

And I'm in a neighborhood on the grid. It wouldn't be enough power to run the air on the hottest or coldest days, but about 80 percent of my roof gets full sun all day.
 
2021-12-03 7:15:36 PM  

Boudyro: cretinbob: Really, that's how renewable is going to start. It's not going to be tear down existing and replace it, it's going to be start small, build up over time and eventually the coal plants will become too obsolete and expensive to maintain and they'll fall over

If had the money I'd already have a solar roof and batteries. I'm trying to figure out how to get the money together before the current roof, about to be 20 years old, craps out.

And I'm in a neighborhood on the grid. It wouldn't be enough power to run the air on the hottest or coldest days, but about 80 percent of my roof gets full sun all day.


I live on a river and am thinking about that
 
2021-12-03 7:49:58 PM  
Looked at some household options a while back. Solar panels of course. Then there are wind turbines you can even buy from Amazon. Water turbines available as well. I'm betting getting the permits and whatnot for a decent microhydropower system, even in the northeast US, would be a massive headache though. Still, if I had a good-sized stream or creek on my property, I'd think about having one built.
 
2021-12-03 9:13:24 PM  
Distributed inputs and outputs on a large scale system make perfect sense when distributed inputs are cost effective and allow for resiliency.

The question is never, "are distributed inputs key to resiliency?" the question is always, "Are distributed inputs cheap enough yet?" and "Is the current central control center a whopping bag of greedy dicks or will they let it happen?"

Doesn't matter whether it's power, internet, water or labour.
 
2021-12-03 9:54:39 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: cretinbob: Really, that's how renewable is going to start. It's not going to be tear down existing and replace it, it's going to be start small, build up over time and eventually the coal plants will become too obsolete and expensive to maintain and they'll fall over lobby the state legislatures to make them illegal because reasons.


Yep just like municipal broadband in many red states
 
2021-12-03 10:17:33 PM  

dionysusaur: But are the batteries included?


No. And accessories are sold separately. Somehow, things don't look the same as they show you on TV.
 
2021-12-04 5:41:21 AM  
Yes.  They should do that.  If I was younger and had the cash, I'd get some kind of independent power going for my house.
I just had to have my heater pretty much replaced, and it took forever to get a part.   Also it is old as hell.  But the tech guy told that since it was the simplest kind of gas heater, it would keep working if the electricity was out.  So I fixed it.  It's like having a  big version of my camp stove in the living room.
 
2021-12-04 8:07:31 AM  
The more wind and solar feeding the grid, the better. Whether that's power companies, people trying to avoid paying said power companies, or people afraid it's all going to come crashing down and they want their own when it does, they're increasing the ratio of renewables to shiat that's destroying the planet, and they're raising redundancy and resiliency in the grid, both of which are very good things.
 
2021-12-04 9:47:41 AM  
Got a mini-version of that here...  Generac and extension cords to run refrigerators and gas / oil furnaces.. if alll you have is a heat pump, you are SOL....
 
2021-12-04 12:20:59 PM  
How soon will they be sued by the nearest power company for infringement?
Nah, they'll just hire some whore politicians to ban running your own microgrids.
 
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