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2021-12-03 11:19:18 AM  
It was only a matter of time before the insurance companies would start recouping their costs incurred by willful ignorance.  I'm surprised it took this long to be honest.
 
2021-12-03 1:41:12 PM  
In other words,

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Suprised it's only up to $55 a month, tbh.
 
2021-12-03 1:53:06 PM  

BumpInTheNight: It was only a matter of time before the insurance companies would start recouping their costs incurred by willful ignorance.  I'm surprised it took this long to be honest.


Insurance companies probably assumed that the federal government would get it's shiat together and have a mandate in place already to give them cover.
 
2021-12-03 1:55:00 PM  
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2021-12-03 1:55:33 PM  
Good. Even better,  don't pay for Covid related illnesses for the unvaccinated.
 
2021-12-03 1:57:05 PM  
And I am sure I will have to hear about this from the unvaxxed idiots in my family how they are coming for them or some conspiracy theory. I bet the loudest will be the unvaxxed smoker.
 
2021-12-03 1:57:34 PM  
Insurance companies really don't want to do this, because they want to support Republicans, so that we never have socialized medicine like any normal country.
But they aren't going to sacrifice even 1 of their billions of dollars for these loonies.
 
2021-12-03 1:57:36 PM  

BumpInTheNight: It was only a matter of time before the insurance companies would start recouping their costs incurred by willful ignorance.  I'm surprised it took this long to be honest.


It is the ACA that prevents it. You cannot deny insurance coverage for medical conditions and there are very specific pre-approved items that permit an increase of premiums.

I'm honestly surprised there hasn't been a lobby push by hospitals and insurance companies to amend the law (and throw in other shenanigans while they are at it).
 
2021-12-03 1:59:58 PM  
GOOD.

Now re-distribute whatever revenue is collected to all of the rest of us sheeplelibbylibs. Exploitative socialism that benefits the not-retreads!

/Do that in Missouri and i'll be shiattin in high cotton in no time.
 
2021-12-03 2:02:31 PM  
Tom Verducci, a board member who represents state workers' deferred compensation plans, voted against the surcharge and said opposed the idea of imposing additional costs on workers regardless of the reason.
"State employees have been hit very hard with no raises over a number of years. And I think of the soul out in the Lovelock working for the Department of Corrections, paid $800 a month in a trailer with three kids. I have a hard time with this one," he said.


Someone tell Tom that the poor state worker in Lovelock doesn't have to pay the surcharge. It's a choice.  If they want to continue to be selfish and now a little more poorer, so be it.
 
2021-12-03 2:02:46 PM  
Is it to be glad to hope the market sorts this out, but still worry about eventual ramification? Something about this camel's nose in the tent makes me uneasy.
 
2021-12-03 2:03:07 PM  
Lool

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2021-12-03 2:04:14 PM  

EvaDewer: Is it to be glad to hope the market sorts this out, but still worry about eventual ramification? Something about this camel's nose in the tent makes me uneasy.


There are words missing in that first sentence. Consider it a "choose your own adventure" if you reply.
 
2021-12-03 2:06:30 PM  
As much as I hate insurance companies. We need to encourage this sort of thing.
 
2021-12-03 2:10:19 PM  

EvaDewer: Is it to be glad to hope the market sorts this out, but still worry about eventual ramification? Something about this camel's nose in the tent makes me uneasy.


You probably just haven't noticed how long its been in this tent.  Ever hear about sleep apnea racket?  If you're ever diagnosed with it you pretty much have to then go get one of those machines else the insurance companies will start to hammer you hard.

As a smoker I already pay a premium for that, and I accept that as part of my own self-destructive behavior.

Companies have been getting into cahoots with those life monitoring gadgets too, 'reducing premiums' for those who opt to wear one all the time...ie starting to penalize anyone not willing to have their vitals tapped by their insurance company 24/7.

Its all great stuff under the banner of the greater good of course.  I'm sure there are good intentions, but with any good intentions all it takes is an asshole with an agenda to turn it into an oppressive burden.
 
2021-12-03 2:10:43 PM  

farkitallletitend: Good. Even better,  don't pay for Covid related illnesses for the unvaccinated.


<The following is in no way an endorsement for the behavior of the willfully unvaxxed - fark 'em>

Careful what you wish for though.  That would open some doors that don't need opening.  And insurance companies love new ways not to pay for things.

"Yes, you did break your leg, but our statistics show mountain biking is a dangerous sport - you did this to yourself I'm afraid - we're going to have to charge extra..."

"I'm afraid we can only pay for 10% of your gunshot wound treatment ma'am. it's clear that you were walking in an area with a known high rate of muggings and attacks..."

While that sounds farking stupid, in both cases you were voluntarily engaging in something that was known to be dangerous.  We all do in many different ways, it's impossible to get through life without doing so.  But I'd almost guarantee you they WOULD try things like that - even though the comparison would be bullshiat.  Once again not getting vaxxed is NOT the same - you're endangering others severely - but your idea would create a precedent vis a vis not paying on anything that could be considered voluntary behavior - or they could just drop back and punt and refuse to issues policies on anything that might be considered voluntary - same effect

/and nearly farking anything can be twisted into 'voluntary'
//"Why were you in that neighborhood, you could have driven 40 miles out of your way and avoided it."
///"I see here you sometimes eat foods high in trans-fats - you're on the hook for your heart disease costs"
////we have to be very, Very, VERY careful with what we let insurance companies do and not do
 
2021-12-03 2:11:34 PM  
So... the STATE government of Nevada decided STATE employees get a surcharge on their STATE healthcare insurance. Why ABC got a picture of Biden on the article?
 
2021-12-03 2:11:45 PM  

BumpInTheNight: It was only a matter of time before the insurance companies would start recouping their costs incurred by willful ignorance.  I'm surprised it took this long to be honest.


I know it's asking a lot for the right wing contingent to exercise a little forethought, but there is a lot more of that coming if the GOP gets back full control/permanent control.  Individual/marketplace plans? Sure, technically they'll exist but they'll cost as much as your mortgage or more every year.  Out of pocket maximums? Gone. Pre-existing condition protection? Gone.  Work for a big business that's a huge customer for health insurance companies? Cool, your heathcare plan will actually cover some stuff but if you need care for a chronic problem or long-term treatment then you basically become an indentured servant due to medical expenses.  They will enable an even tighter coupling of healthcare to employment at a major company and nothing else.  I wouldn't be surprised to see routine healthcare expenses (i.e. insurance and treatment for fairly minor common issues) start to compete with housing as a normal person's #1 expense.
 
2021-12-03 2:12:24 PM  

SirGunslinger: BumpInTheNight: It was only a matter of time before the insurance companies would start recouping their costs incurred by willful ignorance.  I'm surprised it took this long to be honest.

It is the ACA that prevents it. You cannot deny insurance coverage for medical conditions and there are very specific pre-approved items that permit an increase of premiums.

I'm honestly surprised there hasn't been a lobby push by hospitals and insurance companies to amend the law (and throw in other shenanigans while they are at it).


Yeah, disability activists are warning that this could be a door to getting them even more locked out of health care than they are.

I don't mind the companies charging extra as long as it isn't ruinous. You don't want them dropping healthcare coverage alltogether because then they just end up indigent in the ER and we pay for it anyway.

People change for death, taxes, and social embarrassment.  Death and embarrassment didn't work, so I guess it's up to taxes.
 
2021-12-03 2:13:17 PM  

BumpInTheNight: EvaDewer: Is it to be glad to hope the market sorts this out, but still worry about eventual ramification? Something about this camel's nose in the tent makes me uneasy.

You probably just haven't noticed how long its been in this tent.  Ever hear about sleep apnea racket?  If you're ever diagnosed with it you pretty much have to then go get one of those machines else the insurance companies will start to hammer you hard.

As a smoker I already pay a premium for that, and I accept that as part of my own self-destructive behavior.

Companies have been getting into cahoots with those life monitoring gadgets too, 'reducing premiums' for those who opt to wear one all the time...ie starting to penalize anyone not willing to have their vitals tapped by their insurance company 24/7.

Its all great stuff under the banner of the greater good of course.  I'm sure there are good intentions, but with any good intentions all it takes is an asshole with an agenda to turn it into an oppressive burden.


Well said.
 
2021-12-03 2:14:10 PM  

EvaDewer: Is it to be glad to hope the market sorts this out, but still worry about eventual ramification? Something about this camel's nose in the tent makes me uneasy.


These surcharges already exist for tobacco users, between higher premiums and extra mandatory life insurance.
 
2021-12-03 2:15:37 PM  
NO VAT TAX!

Not relevant. I just felt it needed saying.
 
2021-12-03 2:15:55 PM  

lysdexic: EvaDewer: Is it to be glad to hope the market sorts this out, but still worry about eventual ramification? Something about this camel's nose in the tent makes me uneasy.

These surcharges already exist for tobacco users, between higher premiums and extra mandatory life insurance.


I mean, I guess that's my point. It's all well and good when you look at the groups before you and say "yeah, fark them."

"First they came for the smokers..." and all that.
 
2021-12-03 2:16:32 PM  

BumpInTheNight: It was only a matter of time before the insurance companies would start recouping their costs incurred by willful ignorance.  I'm surprised it took this long to be honest.


Doesn't go into effect until July, so don't get too excited just yet.
 
2021-12-03 2:17:27 PM  

Megathuma: In other words,

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Suprised it's only up to $55 a month, tbh.


Yet another TV show ahead of its time. Satire is prophecy, prophecy is satire. That's all you know and all you need to know here below.
 
2021-12-03 2:19:38 PM  

dark brew: Tom Verducci, a board member who represents state workers' deferred compensation plans, voted against the surcharge and said opposed the idea of imposing additional costs on workers regardless of the reason.
"State employees have been hit very hard with no raises over a number of years. And I think of the soul out in the Lovelock working for the Department of Corrections, paid $800 a month in a trailer with three kids. I have a hard time with this one," he said.

Someone tell Tom that the poor state worker in Lovelock doesn't have to pay the surcharge. It's a choice.  If they want to continue to be selfish and now a little more poorer, so be it.


Call me crazy, but why not pay the prison worker more?
 
2021-12-03 2:21:27 PM  

farkitallletitend: Good. Even better,  don't pay for Covid related illnesses for the unvaccinated.


and people who are vaccinated and/or boosted and get hospitalized and are still incurring costs? Shame on them too. Stay healthier and get a better immune system.
 
2021-12-03 2:22:08 PM  

groppet: And I am sure I will have to hear about this from the unvaxxed idiots in my family how they are coming for them or some conspiracy theory. I bet the loudest will be the unvaxxed smoker.


Hol up... I can get vaccinated against smoke?
 
2021-12-03 2:26:01 PM  

lysdexic: SirGunslinger: BumpInTheNight: It was only a matter of time before the insurance companies would start recouping their costs incurred by willful ignorance.  I'm surprised it took this long to be honest.

It is the ACA that prevents it. You cannot deny insurance coverage for medical conditions and there are very specific pre-approved items that permit an increase of premiums.

I'm honestly surprised there hasn't been a lobby push by hospitals and insurance companies to amend the law (and throw in other shenanigans while they are at it).

Yeah, disability activists are warning that this could be a door to getting them even more locked out of health care than they are.

I don't mind the companies charging extra as long as it isn't ruinous. You don't want them dropping healthcare coverage alltogether because then they just end up indigent in the ER and we pay for it anyway.

People change for death, taxes, and social embarrassment.  Death and embarrassment didn't work, so I guess it's up to taxes.


This! Insurance Companies are a bit of an asshole victim in the scenario and I would never take a solution they present in any sort of good faith.
 
2021-12-03 2:27:13 PM  

Megathuma: In other words,

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Suprised it's only up to $55 a month, tbh.


TotalFark?
 
2021-12-03 2:27:52 PM  

dogsafark: farkitallletitend: Good. Even better,  don't pay for Covid related illnesses for the unvaccinated.

and people who are vaccinated and/or boosted and get hospitalized and are still incurring costs? Shame on them too. Stay healthier and get a better immune system.


We get it, you don't know how an immune system works.
 
2021-12-03 2:30:21 PM  
Huh, seems like a free market solution they always claim to love.
 
2021-12-03 2:30:25 PM  
I assumed Nevada would take care of the anti-vaxxers like this: "A lot of holes in the desert, and a lot of problems are buried in those holes."
 
2021-12-03 2:33:29 PM  
I want a refund because I'm at such a low risk of catching an STD.
 
2021-12-03 2:34:42 PM  

BumpInTheNight: It was only a matter of time before the insurance companies would start recouping their costs incurred by willful ignorance.  I'm surprised it took this long to be honest.


People pay extra if they're smokers, so there's precedent in charging more for "life" choices.
 
2021-12-03 2:35:19 PM  

Mrtraveler01: dark brew: Tom Verducci, a board member who represents state workers' deferred compensation plans, voted against the surcharge and said opposed the idea of imposing additional costs on workers regardless of the reason.
"State employees have been hit very hard with no raises over a number of years. And I think of the soul out in the Lovelock working for the Department of Corrections, paid $800 a month in a trailer with three kids. I have a hard time with this one," he said.

Someone tell Tom that the poor state worker in Lovelock doesn't have to pay the surcharge. It's a choice.  If they want to continue to be selfish and now a little more poorer, so be it.

Call me crazy, but why not pay the prison worker more?


Yeah that too.  I don't know if he's being hyperbolic with his $800 month example but any amount to live in Lovelock is not enough.  I was just there on Sunday. It sucked.
 
2021-12-03 2:39:51 PM  

brantgoose: NO VAT TAX!

Not relevant. I just felt it needed saying.


you said tax twice

/Value Added Tax tax
 
2021-12-03 2:41:31 PM  
They do that for tobacco users, it was only a matter of time.  Next us fatties are getting it.
 
2021-12-03 2:43:44 PM  

farkitallletitend: Good. Even better,  don't pay for Covid related illnesses for the unvaccinated.


*depending on when the illness was developed*

Make sure to carve out exceptions for those that got sick before a vaccine was available, and those who are immunocompromised, and those under 5 who cannot get vaccines.

It looks as though those who got COVID before or get it now (unvaccinated) are in for a lifetime of medical issues and that's only what doctors are seeing after just two years. Imagine 5-10 years down the road. I bet a lot of them end up dead or with severe illness that causes them to need 24/7 care.
 
2021-12-03 2:47:52 PM  
Fark people are the worst.
Heartless little bastards, aren't you?
 
2021-12-03 3:10:12 PM  
$55? Make it $550. It needs to hurt.
 
2021-12-03 3:23:27 PM  
The surcharge presented liberal-leaning labor unions with a dilemma. It pit a policy intended to encourage vaccination against increasing healthcare costs for workers - a longtime centerpiece of their advocacy. Labor lobbyists from the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees and the Nevada Faculty Alliance testified in neutral about the surcharge proposal.

Bait it with $10 extra healthcare benefits for the vaccinated or in general.
 
2021-12-03 3:37:50 PM  

dark brew: Tom Verducci, a board member who represents state workers' deferred compensation plans, voted against the surcharge and said opposed the idea of imposing additional costs on workers regardless of the reason.
"State employees have been hit very hard with no raises over a number of years. And I think of the soul out in the Lovelock working for the Department of Corrections, paid $800 a month in a trailer with three kids. I have a hard time with this one," he said.

Someone tell Tom that the poor state worker in Lovelock doesn't have to pay the surcharge. It's a choice.  If they want to continue to be selfish and now a little more poorer, so be it.


someone else tell tom that there are lots of other jobs out there too.  Has this poor soul person heard about all those trucking jobs or many of those jobs in restaurants?  why that poor soul could have five jobs by the end of the day.

Why does Tom support the lazy people who cannot get themselves a better job?
 
2021-12-03 3:39:28 PM  

xsarien: $55? Make it $550. It needs to hurt.


It is already going to cost them nearly $6,000*

*over ten years
/1.5 trillion!
 
2021-12-03 3:43:08 PM  
If it was Utah instead of Nevada, they'd give them a bonus for being unvaxxed.
 
2021-12-03 3:44:09 PM  
I live in Nevada and the redhatters on Facebook are quite upset. One lady posted, Well new state and new job.

Folks who think omicron is a lab-created distraction from the Maxwell trial also refuse to get The Jab.

Long story short, folks like that have inspired me to get my real estate license here.
 
2021-12-03 3:47:22 PM  

OhioUGrad: I bet a lot of them end up dead or with severe illness that causes them to need 24/7 care.


that is what no trumpers seem to understand...long term effects.

what if we learn that each infection takes off a few IQ points (brain fog).  What happens in a decade for those who have caught it a dozen times?  they may be officially [redacted].  what then?  who will take care of them or the work they used to be able to do?

socialism may start to sound better when they feel entitled to health care for their bad decisions.
 
2021-12-03 3:51:44 PM  

inglixthemad: BumpInTheNight: It was only a matter of time before the insurance companies would start recouping their costs incurred by willful ignorance.  I'm surprised it took this long to be honest.

People pay extra if they're smokers, so there's precedent in charging more for "life" choices.


The ACA explicitly makes an exemption for smoking surcharges.  Employer plans (such as this) are more flexible, in that they can offer discounts for a "wellness plan" but there are still restrictions.
 
2021-12-03 3:52:37 PM  

Hyjamon: OhioUGrad: I bet a lot of them end up dead or with severe illness that causes them to need 24/7 care.

that is what no trumpers seem to understand...long term effects.

what if we learn that each infection takes off a few IQ points (brain fog).  What happens in a decade for those who have caught it a dozen times?  they may be officially [redacted].  what then?  who will take care of them or the work they used to be able to do?

socialism may start to sound better when they feel entitled to health care for their bad decisions.


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2021-12-03 3:58:49 PM  

DumbTrumpSupporter: Fark people are the worst.
Heartless little bastards, aren't you?


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