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2021-12-03 12:34:01 PM  
wireless transmissions propagate poorly through water, same goes for when inside a misty mountain
 
2021-12-03 1:11:48 PM  
Slow news day huh?
 
2021-12-03 1:18:09 PM  
Article does not answer the question in the headline.

The "WHY couldn't he?" part isn't explained at all.  It just restates that he couldn't, and we already knew that.
 
2021-12-03 1:20:59 PM  
It only pings when other Apple Ring of Power wearers are within range.
 
2021-12-03 1:27:03 PM  

Tarl3k: Slow news day huh?


Somebody is publishing college dorm room discussions.

/Next up have you ever really looked at your hands?
 
2021-12-03 1:27:52 PM  
Because that's what he wrote.
 
2021-12-03 1:33:17 PM  
Why Couldn't Sauron Find the Ring for Over 2000 Years?

Because it was under a mountain.  Tolkien was pretty up front about that.
 
2021-12-03 1:34:37 PM  

AlgaeRancher: Tarl3k: Slow news day huh?

Somebody is publishing college dorm room discussions.

/Next up have you ever really looked at your hands?



Its the Fandom page, what did you expect?
 
2021-12-03 1:37:27 PM  
Also, Sauron was regenerating most of those years, having the ring taken from him weakened him severely.
 
2021-12-03 1:38:33 PM  

LL316: Why Couldn't Sauron Find the Ring for Over 2000 Years?

Because it was under a mountain.  Tolkien was pretty up front about that.


Tolkien was the  kind of person who worked out an amazing amount of details and backstory.

/ probably my favorite book of his was "Farmer Guiles of Ham" Not nearly as impactful as LOTR but a very fun little story about a farmer and a not very impressive dragon.
 
2021-12-03 1:42:41 PM  
i had a friend who has The One Ring on her keychain and tried to play it off as "oh I'm such a big fan of LoTR aren't I nerdy lol"

i'm like, biatch that's the sort of attitude that caused the Fall of Man and got Isildor turned into a pincushiond. don't farking treat the farking Ring of Power like a farking deco accessory you wraith queen

we haven't talked since the knife fight
 
2021-12-03 1:43:06 PM  
Why didn't the elves look for it?  They had three rings of power they could have used.  Or they could at least have kept an eye on Isildur since they knew he had it.  Instead Elron just watches Isildur power walk away and is like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
2021-12-03 1:48:01 PM  
In The Lord of the Rings, the One Ring sat in a river near Mordor for well over 2000 years.

No it didn't. The Gladden Fields were nowhere near Mordor. Now if you want to pick nits, I suppose those Orcs that shot up Isildur should have known he had the Ring, but then again when you're a disembodied fea spirit as Sauron was at the time I imagine it's a little difficult to get your troops up to speed on things.
 
2021-12-03 1:48:24 PM  
The One Ring had a piece of Sauron's essence inside it.  If he couldn't find his own self by, like, psychic resonance or something, what good is sending out blind, dead guys to search hundreds of miles of river on horseback?

/yeah, OK, sure, the Nazgul could sense the Ring because their own rings were bound to it, but surely the same should be true of Sauron.
//I know, I know, it would be a very short book otherwise.
 
2021-12-03 1:50:52 PM  

Xythero: Why didn't the elves look for it?  They had three rings of power they could have used.  Or they could at least have kept an eye on Isildur since they knew he had it.  Instead Elron just watches Isildur power walk away and is like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Did you not notice how ugly things get when you try to forcibly take the Ring from someone?

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2021-12-03 1:52:11 PM  
Because it took a while for Sauron to get over the whole "destruction" thing. Not to mention that the longer he waited...the weaker the Elves would get. He fell into the trap of underestimating the races of man... to his own undoing.
 
2021-12-03 1:55:37 PM  

Xythero: Why didn't the elves look for it?  They had three rings of power they could have used.  Or they could at least have kept an eye on Isildur since they knew he had it.  Instead Elron just watches Isildur power walk away and is like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


They didn't want to be tempted to use The Ring. And they felt, correctly, that destroying The Ring may have impacted the power of their rings.
 
2021-12-03 2:06:08 PM  

Bondith: The One Ring had a piece of Sauron's essence inside it.  If he couldn't find his own self by, like, psychic resonance or something, what good is sending out blind, dead guys to search hundreds of miles of river on horseback?

/yeah, OK, sure, the Nazgul could sense the Ring because their own rings were bound to it, but surely the same should be true of Sauron.
//I know, I know, it would be a very short book otherwise.


Does anyone truly ever find themselves?

As for the drop in the ocean bit, that more than likely gets eaten up by a sea creature that gets fished up, cut open and someone finds it. Same if its buried, someone eventually digs it up.
 
2021-12-03 2:07:44 PM  
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that when someone wore the ring that it attracted the attention of Suaron. That would mean that anytime Smeagol/Gollum or Bilbo wore the ring, even for just a few minutes, that Sauron would know the general location of the ring. Over the hundreds of years that Gollum owned the ring he used it countless times. Each use would allow Sauron's forces to triangulate on him. They should have been able to track it down within just a couple years
 
2021-12-03 2:09:05 PM  
He only had one eye and it was just out of depth perception?
 
2021-12-03 2:10:30 PM  
Because he couldn't afford the iRing version.
 
2021-12-03 2:14:36 PM  

Bondith: The One Ring had a piece of Sauron's essence inside it.  If he couldn't find his own self by, like, psychic resonance or something, what good is sending out blind, dead guys to search hundreds of miles of river on horseback?

/yeah, OK, sure, the Nazgul could sense the Ring because their own rings were bound to it, but surely the same should be true of Sauron.
//I know, I know, it would be a very short book otherwise.


If everyone was smarter, no stories would happen.

Hey, is that guy in spiky black armor talking to giant spider queen by our most treasured possessions? Might wanna let's go talk to them.

Sauron, the apprentice of Morgoth the Betrayer who has crossed us many times?  He says he's got bling?  Ask him if he's got wood in his head. We don't want anything from the likes of him.

Bilbo Baggins, now that Lonely Mountain is back in dwarvish hands, what did you find in the goblin cave?  May I see it a minute? *tosses it in fire*  Have you ever ridden an Eagle, Bilbo?
 
2021-12-03 2:26:20 PM  

Bondith: The One Ring had a piece of Sauron's essence inside it.  If he couldn't find his own self by, like, psychic resonance or something, what good is sending out blind, dead guys to search hundreds of miles of river on horseback?

/yeah, OK, sure, the Nazgul could sense the Ring because their own rings were bound to it, but surely the same should be true of Sauron.
//I know, I know, it would be a very short book otherwise.


It is just working a consistent "logic" within the story (verisimilitude), not that anything a reader has knowledge of
IRL has any influence or rationale to that world's logic at all.

So no the logic would be, the magical power of the rings is bound together, a wearer one ring, when enslaved by Sauron, can now sense, not The One Ring specifically. But their Master's presences. As he and the ring  are one in the same, this would then be a mechanically sound logic flow for how  the magic works.


I would further extend to harry potter world logic flow to example this. Which appears to be similar in concept, Voldmort does not sense his own soul in harry even when he physically touches him.


More or else, if you are participating WITH a fiction, then you help it make sense where it left gaps, not use those gaps to claim it don't make sense.
If you logic out why it fails, then you are explicitly not giving to the fiction, your temporary suspension of disbelief. Which is the first thing we the consumers of the fiction are actually obligated to give.


As to the question of the article, clearly someone was not paying attention to all the details and the flow of time.
The question itself is illegitimate thew way ti is framed as it ignores in place details that provide the answer.

Sauron was defeated, his physical form destroyed, and he was greatly weakened in a non-corporeal state.
Thus he was not really doing anything for a long long time, he was just recovering his strength. He is now in his full form of strength to be seeking his ring, when the LotR story kicks off. Though he is still yet to claim a physical form i the world.

Additionally in the lore on this, is that ring is sensed quite weakly, unless it is being used. And then it is a strong beacon power that draws the nazgul to it. So just sitting around not being used would mean it is really hard to find it. And this plays to why the rig itself is trying to get put to use, and tries to get swapped over to being in the hands of anyone else that will use it more.
Remember the ring is its own master, it can change size to slip off your finger anytime it wants to.
 
2021-12-03 2:46:59 PM  
Because Sauron just fetching the ring from the middle of a river and thus becoming unstoppable would have made for a much shorter story.
 
2021-12-03 2:54:54 PM  
How the problem could have been easily solved


Cast the ring into the middle of an iron ingot. Sail to the ocean. Drop the iron into the abyss


Problem solved
 
2021-12-03 2:59:56 PM  

lifeslammer: How the problem could have been easily solved


Cast the ring into the middle of an iron ingot. Sail to the ocean. Drop the iron into the abyss


Problem solved


Oh, sure, just give the ring directly to Cthulhu, that'll work out great!
 
2021-12-03 3:01:27 PM  

lifeslammer: How the problem could have been easily solved


Cast the ring into the middle of an iron ingot. Sail to the ocean. Drop the iron into the abyss


Problem solved


One Ring probably works it's way out with magic during the casting attempt and iron rusts quickly in sea water.  Just enjoy the story yeesh.
 
2021-12-03 3:06:18 PM  

Jubeebee: i had a friend who has The One Ring on her keychain and tried to play it off as "oh I'm such a big fan of LoTR aren't I nerdy lol"

i'm like, biatch that's the sort of attitude that caused the Fall of Man and got Isildor turned into a pincushiond. don't farking treat the farking Ring of Power like a farking deco accessory you wraith queen

we haven't talked since the knife fight


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2021-12-03 3:06:39 PM  
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Also, lets say you DO get the ring in the deep sea. Once an octopus or something puts it on, they're gonna try to conquer middle earth like Ika Musume but evil.  That just returns the ring to where Sauron can get it.
 
2021-12-03 3:09:35 PM  

Slypork: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that when someone wore the ring that it attracted the attention of Suaron. That would mean that anytime Smeagol/Gollum or Bilbo wore the ring, even for just a few minutes, that Sauron would know the general location of the ring. Over the hundreds of years that Gollum owned the ring he used it countless times. Each use would allow Sauron's forces to triangulate on him. They should have been able to track it down within just a couple years


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It doesn't exactly work like technology. Presumably it's like you can feel a far off him. Gollum didn't use it for much but sneaking around, so it's like seeing a lit match from a thousand miles away
 
2021-12-03 3:12:13 PM  

PvtStash: Bondith: The One Ring had a piece of Sauron's essence inside it.  If he couldn't find his own self by, like, psychic resonance or something, what good is sending out blind, dead guys to search hundreds of miles of river on horseback?

/yeah, OK, sure, the Nazgul could sense the Ring because their own rings were bound to it, but surely the same should be true of Sauron.
//I know, I know, it would be a very short book otherwise.

It is just working a consistent "logic" within the story (verisimilitude), not that anything a reader has knowledge of
IRL has any influence or rationale to that world's logic at all.

So no the logic would be, the magical power of the rings is bound together, a wearer one ring, when enslaved by Sauron, can now sense, not The One Ring specifically. But their Master's presences. As he and the ring  are one in the same, this would then be a mechanically sound logic flow for how  the magic works.


I would further extend to harry potter world logic flow to example this. Which appears to be similar in concept, Voldmort does not sense his own soul in harry even when he physically touches him.


More or else, if you are participating WITH a fiction, then you help it make sense where it left gaps, not use those gaps to claim it don't make sense.
If you logic out why it fails, then you are explicitly not giving to the fiction, your temporary suspension of disbelief. Which is the first thing we the consumers of the fiction are actually obligated to give.


As to the question of the article, clearly someone was not paying attention to all the details and the flow of time.
The question itself is illegitimate thew way ti is framed as it ignores in place details that provide the answer.

Sauron was defeated, his physical form destroyed, and he was greatly weakened in a non-corporeal state.
Thus he was not really doing anything for a long long time, he was just recovering his strength. He is now in his full form of strength to be seeking his ring, when the LotR story kicks off. Though he is still yet to claim a physical form i the world.

Additionally in the lore on this, is that ring is sensed quite weakly, unless it is being used. And then it is a strong beacon power that draws the nazgul to it. So just sitting around not being used would mean it is really hard to find it. And this plays to why the rig itself is trying to get put to use, and tries to get swapped over to being in the hands of anyone else that will use it more.
Remember the ring is its own master, it can change size to slip off your finger anytime it wants to.


This is pretty much all the answers right here, unless you want to start going all munchkin bullshiat and asking why Sauron didn't do everything perfectly as conceived by some nerd 80 years later.
 
2021-12-03 3:14:18 PM  

leeksfromchichis: lifeslammer: How the problem could have been easily solved


Cast the ring into the middle of an iron ingot. Sail to the ocean. Drop the iron into the abyss


Problem solved

One Ring probably works it's way out with magic during the casting attempt and iron rusts quickly in sea water.  Just enjoy the story yeesh.


Wouldnt matter if the iron rusts if nothing could actually reach the ring even if the iron all vanished in time
 
2021-12-03 3:24:02 PM  
lifeslammer:

Sauron was a giant flaming eye.  Before that, he was a shape shifter on par with Madam Mimm.  There were undead, wizards, dragons, and women running around doing what "no man" could.

Somebody or something would have dredged it up in time. Like the Ika Musume or an especially cruel isopod.

And that's assuming it let itself be cast.  I imagine it simply refusing to stay in the molten iron.
 
2021-12-03 3:31:08 PM  
Magneto could have just thrown it into the sun.
 
2021-12-03 3:55:56 PM  

skyotter: Magneto could have just thrown it into the sun.


Dude I've seen that movie!
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2021-12-03 4:08:55 PM  

Spice Must Flow: skyotter: Magneto could have just thrown it into the sun.

Dude I've seen that movie!
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2021-12-03 4:22:07 PM  
Sauron was greatly reduced when he was defeated. He spent centuries and centuries healing.
By the time he became that witch king or whatever he was known as before basically revealing himself back in Mordor. The ring had been hidden deep underground by Gollem for many centuries also.It wasn't until Bilbo brought it above ground and began using it that he was even aware that it hadn't been destroyed after his defeat.

So he wasn't even looking for it until he sensed Bilbo using it.
 
2021-12-03 4:32:15 PM  
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like ring?
 
2021-12-03 5:46:27 PM  
You know, I had quite forgotten that things that are explicitly spelled out in books somehow still count as "plot holes" if some dunce decides that he refuses to understand for clicks.
 
2021-12-03 6:10:31 PM  

leeksfromchichis: lifeslammer:

Sauron was a giant flaming eye.  Before that, he was a shape shifter on par with Madam Mimm.  There were undead, wizards, dragons, and women running around doing what "no man" could.

Somebody or something would have dredged it up in time. Like the Ika Musume or an especially cruel isopod.

And that's assuming it let itself be cast.  I imagine it simply refusing to stay in the molten iron.


This was my thought too that the ring had a mind of its own, it didn't want to be found.
 
2021-12-03 6:20:06 PM  

Boojum2k: Also, Sauron was regenerating most of those years, having the ring taken from him weakened him severely.


Exactly for a big chunk of those two millennia he was incoporeal and he never truly regained a physical form best he could do was a "great eye, lidless wreathed in flame".    Also the area where the ring was lost and eventually found was a fair bit north of Mordor.  The thing was only found by sheer dumb luck anyway.
 
2021-12-03 6:28:05 PM  

AlgaeRancher: Tarl3k: Slow news day huh?

Somebody is publishing college dorm room discussions.

/Next up have you ever really looked at your hands?


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2021-12-03 7:17:03 PM  
CSB:

Had my tattoo finished up. It's a cover-up of a flaming spade. I was 19 when I got the spade....don't ask me why.

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2021-12-03 7:48:38 PM  

Slypork: Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that when someone wore the ring that it attracted the attention of Suaron. That would mean that anytime Smeagol/Gollum or Bilbo wore the ring, even for just a few minutes, that Sauron would know the general location of the ring. Over the hundreds of years that Gollum owned the ring he used it countless times. Each use would allow Sauron's forces to triangulate on him. They should have been able to track it down within just a couple years


This is somewhat implied implied in the movies but is not the case, at least over long distances, and this is more clear in the books. Sauron was unaware of Bilbo's use of the ring even at the party. The Nazgul were already on Frodo's trail in Bree and his use of the ring tipped off some locals who then informed the Nazgul. When Sauron does the "I see you" near the end of the first movie, Frodo is atop an ancient watchtower from which he can see visions of places out of sight. When he looks to Sauron in his fortress, Sauron becomes aware of him and Frodo removes the ring before he is entirely found.

skyotter: Article does not answer the question in the headline.

The "WHY couldn't he?" part isn't explained at all.  It just restates that he couldn't, and we already knew that.


He didn't know exactly where it was and he could not be seen searching for it until he was ready. He rebuilt his power in secret, taking on the character of The Necromancer who was assumed to be just a human sorcerer. He revealed himself only once Gandalf discovered his identity. He already lost once against Elves and Men even with the ring, so he was being justifiably cautious.

It's also worth adding that, at this point, Sauron was making things up as it went along. His initial plan, to corrupt the elves with the rings, failed spectacularly and immediately. He tried a second time with the dwarves and that also failed because the dwarves were not interested in what he offered. Humans were the third try and finally produced some results. By the time of LoTR, the One Ring was as much a liability as an asset and it would have been better if it had never been found.

MCU Thanos did something similar, waiting until he knew exactly where each of the infinity stones was before beginning a blitzkrieg over just a few days to obtain them all because, as powerful as he was, he could not fight everyone at once.
 
2021-12-03 8:09:27 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: It only pings when other Apple Ring of Power wearers are within range.


"Ha! Funny joke! Wait a minute..."

The 9 ringwraiths all have one and can sense it when nearby. Damn, that was a good one. Ya get a smart too.
 
2021-12-03 9:16:12 PM  

SouthParkCon: CSB:

Had my tattoo finished up. It's a cover-up of a flaming spade. I was 19 when I got the spade....don't ask me why.

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That is a farking awesome cover-up!
 
2021-12-03 11:39:16 PM  

SouthParkCon: CSB:

Had my tattoo finished up. It's a cover-up of a flaming spade. I was 19 when I got the spade....don't ask me why.

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2021-12-04 5:17:15 AM  
The ring doesn't make you invisible, or rather that's a side effect of pushing you mostly into the spirit plane where Sauron mostly lives all the time. The ring itself is a physical object so it can't go there without being wielded, and Sauron can't scry long distance in the mortal plane.

Basically it has the same issue location service does aboveground: it has to be turned on to be visible. And even then it's not sending him a signal, it's just super obvious when he looks around for it, and his line of sight doesn't go deep underground where Gollum was.
 
2021-12-04 6:01:34 AM  

Jubeebee: i had a friend who has The One Ring on her keychain and tried to play it off as "oh I'm such a big fan of LoTR aren't I nerdy lol"

i'm like, biatch that's the sort of attitude that caused the Fall of Man and got Isildor turned into a pincushiond. don't farking treat the farking Ring of Power like a farking deco accessory you wraith queen

we haven't talked since the knife fight


Wraith Queen is the name of the all female 1960's flower power tribute band.
 
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