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(Guardian)   The world owes Yoko an apology, Peter Jackson desperately needs a stronger editor, and 10 other things we learned from The Beatles: Get Back   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2021-12-03 10:04:00 AM  
I watched the whole thing. The footage and audio is historic and worth preserving. Watching Paul write "Get Back" from nothing was fascinating. But songwriting and rehearsing is just not cinematic. It's mostly dull and repetitive. Sometimes we even hear the songs for a sixth of seventh time as the Beatles crowd into the control room and listen to playback. Ultimately the repetition takes away from the impact of hearing the finished songs imho.

I think we owe Paul an apology as well. George was the one who was ready to quit the Beatles over Yoko's presence. Paul did not come across as a dictator. Frankly, they kind of needed a leader. It was technically John's band, but he was the class clown type, not the disciplinarian. They realize that they needed someone like Brian Epstein to impose order and make firm decisions. When the Beatles turned into a democracy, it became much more difficult for them to make plans.

"The Beatles: Get Back" doesn't even tell the viewer that the Beatles' plan for recording an album live with no overdubs fell apart completely.
 
2021-12-03 11:15:16 AM  
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2021-12-03 11:15:46 AM  
looking forward to seeing this at some point.

/the 321 thing with rick rubin was really good
 
2021-12-03 11:16:23 AM  
This is disappointing, since I thought They Shall Not Grow Old was paced just about perfectly, which is shocking, given what they were working with.
 
2021-12-03 11:18:26 AM  
Peter Jackson always needed a stronger editor.
 
2021-12-03 11:18:32 AM  
The main thing Get Back did for me was make me wish all the Beatles album studio sessions were filmed and made into documentaries.

Fascinating stuff.  These guys really loved each other and the ease with which they played new songs into form and played their instruments has increased my love for them (which was massive) to even higher levels.
 
2021-12-03 11:18:59 AM  

thatguyoverthere70: Ultimately the repetition takes away from the impact of hearing the finished songs imho.


Imagine how monumentally dull those songs would sound to anyone not alive during the '60s who's had to hear those songs on payola radio, movies, TV, advertisements, and every other piece of by-Boomers/for-Boomers pop culture one can't escape from.

/My "local" independent radio station plays more Beatles than local artists.
/My hometown has a weekend festival of Beatles cover bands.
 
2021-12-03 11:22:41 AM  
I pictured 1000s of orcs in the background of this flick after hearing he needs a better editor
 
2021-12-03 11:24:30 AM  
I'm sorry, who owes whom an apology ????

Yoko Ono is Scary Screaming
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2021-12-03 11:25:56 AM  
We will apologize to Yoko when she apologizes for this.

INCREDIBLE! Chuck Berry and John Lennon REACTION to the senseless screams of YOKO ONO
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2021-12-03 11:31:04 AM  

thatguyoverthere70: I watched the whole thing. The footage and audio is historic and worth preserving. Watching Paul write "Get Back" from nothing was fascinating. But songwriting and rehearsing is just not cinematic. It's mostly dull and repetitive. Sometimes we even hear the songs for a sixth of seventh time as the Beatles crowd into the control room and listen to playback. Ultimately the repetition takes away from the impact of hearing the finished songs imho.

I think we owe Paul an apology as well. George was the one who was ready to quit the Beatles over Yoko's presence. Paul did not come across as a dictator. Frankly, they kind of needed a leader. It was technically John's band, but he was the class clown type, not the disciplinarian. They realize that they needed someone like Brian Epstein to impose order and make firm decisions. When the Beatles turned into a democracy, it became much more difficult for them to make plans.

"The Beatles: Get Back" doesn't even tell the viewer that the Beatles' plan for recording an album live with no overdubs fell apart completely.


Every Band (or group of mates) needs some one to pull it along from time to time or you'll never get anywhere in life.
I find it telling that Ringo, George and John left the Beatles at some point but it was only really finished when Paul finally pulled the pin.
 
2021-12-03 11:32:09 AM  

jack_o_the_hills: I'm sorry, who owes whom an apology ????

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/t04qKj5W​MA0?start=40]


Number nine...Number nine...
 
2021-12-03 11:34:32 AM  
Anyone who's seen his last few movies* knows he needs a better editor.

*except for They Shall Not Grow Old, that was great.
 
2021-12-03 11:39:39 AM  

EyeballKid: /My "local" independent radio station plays more Beatles than local artists.


It's hard enough to have a successful radio station, so why would you make it even harder by playing a bunch of stuff that nobody wants to hear?

I get that there's this romantic idea out there that what people *really* want hear to local artisanal stuff and that the big acts are only popular because payola.  But that's pure BS.  People overwhelmingly want to hear the big acts.  There's a small percentage of weirdos out there that are different, but its extremely difficult to run a radio station off of them.

I primarily listen to the local college station when I drive around.  The college kids choose to play more random stuff like 70s funk or Boomer stuff than local artists.  And that's not because music labels are running around bribing random college students.
 
2021-12-03 11:40:32 AM  
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2021-12-03 11:42:56 AM  
One of the things I learned is that the guys loved toast.

And yes, I bit long. You can get away with watching the YouTube clips of the highlights from first two episodes. Then watch the third and can pretty much come away with the same feeling as seeing it all.
 
2021-12-03 11:45:23 AM  

thatguyoverthere70: I watched the whole thing. The footage and audio is historic and worth preserving. Watching Paul write "Get Back" from nothing was fascinating. But songwriting and rehearsing is just not cinematic. It's mostly dull and repetitive. Sometimes we even hear the songs for a sixth of seventh time as the Beatles crowd into the control room and listen to playback. Ultimately the repetition takes away from the impact of hearing the finished songs imho.


I am on the opposite end. I like the repetition because it highlighted how fleeting musical genius can be.

from an efficiency standpoint I can see where edits would help keep things moving. but once I'm committed to 4 or 5 hours of once in a lifetime footage, the extra doesn't bother me so much.

I'd have been more bothered if they made their musical talent out to be some "Good Will Hunting" type of deal, where they strum a few chords and then they've magically got the version that has endured for 50 years.
 
2021-12-03 11:45:34 AM  
Barenaked Ladies - Be My Yoko Ono (Video)
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2021-12-03 11:48:50 AM  

The_Philosopher_King: One of the things I learned is that the guys loved toast.


Well, they are a white bread act.
 
2021-12-03 11:49:09 AM  

The_Philosopher_King: One of the things I learned is that the guys loved toast.

And yes, I bit long.


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2021-12-03 11:50:47 AM  
On episode 2 now, and loving everything so far (except Disney+/- dying every few minutes).

Question:  The very first song at Twickenham is titled "On The Road To Marrakesh".  Huh?  It eventually morphs into "Jealous Guy" from Imagine and there is an early version of the song where John sings "On the road to Rishikesh".  Where did the Marrakesh come from?
 
2021-12-03 11:51:45 AM  
Time you shut your CAKE hole Yoko!
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2021-12-03 11:52:03 AM  

EyeballKid: thatguyoverthere70: Ultimately the repetition takes away from the impact of hearing the finished songs imho.

Imagine how monumentally dull those songs would sound to anyone not alive during the '60s who's had to hear those songs on payola radio, movies, TV, advertisements, and every other piece of by-Boomers/for-Boomers pop culture one can't escape from.


Sure.  Context is everything.  And when the Beatles first arrived on the scene, the music world unrecognizable by today's standards.  Whether or not a young person today likes the Beatles is irrelevant.  It wasn't made for them to begin with.  But the cultural significance of them cannot be overstated.  

/My "local" independent radio station plays more Beatles than local artists.
/My hometown has a weekend festival of Beatles cover bands.


The Beatles are played on SiriusXM's "Underground Garage."  Last time I checked they are the most mainstream band one could possibly imagine.  At least they could play deep cuts, but nooooo.
 
2021-12-03 11:54:22 AM  
I don't really have an opinion about her effect on the Beatles, but having had to walk through a room of Yoko's "art" at MOMO, she owes me an apology for the time wasted constantly muttering "WTF is this bullshiat!"

Haven't watched the show and probably won't, so I'll go with my current impressions:
John was an asshole.
George was a dick.
Ringo is kind of doofy.
Unsure about Paul's real self.

Great band that was right for the times.
 
2021-12-03 11:57:57 AM  
That shot of George surfing down a staircase on the back of a shield was gratuitous and took me out of the film completely.
 
2021-12-03 12:03:12 PM  

jerryskid: I don't really have an opinion about her effect on the Beatles, but having had to walk through a room of Yoko's "art" at MOMO, she owes me an apology for the time wasted constantly muttering "WTF is this bullshiat!"

Haven't watched the show and probably won't, so I'll go with my current impressions:
John was an asshole.
George was a dick.
Ringo is kind of doofy.
Unsure about Paul's real self.

Great band that was right for the times.


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2021-12-03 12:08:15 PM  
Think of it this way... this is the kind of treasure streaming media is made for.  You have near infinite space for media.

Seeing that the original Let It Be movie was a major part of my growing up (I just adored the film, because there was nothing else)... yeah, I'm in the bag for this whole thing.

If someone on Jackson's team cut it down to a smaller size- as another version aside this 8 hour one- for casual fans, cool.  But this needs to exist for Beatles fans, and should!  Heck for the price of admission they should include the first edit (which was 18 hours I think?  So I heard.  From 50+ hours of source footage.)

If that's too much for causal fans, cool.  I would not watch 18 hours of Drake recording footage... but someone would so why not make it available?

I could geek out on this for hours.  Thank you $1.99 Disney+ trial offer plus OBS screen recorder ;)
 
2021-12-03 12:10:20 PM  

hoyt clagwell: On episode 2 now, and loving everything so far (except Disney+/- dying every few minutes).

Question:  The very first song at Twickenham is titled "On The Road To Marrakesh".  Huh?  It eventually morphs into "Jealous Guy" from Imagine and there is an early version of the song where John sings "On the road to Rishikesh".  Where did the Marrakesh come from?


Heh... I think they sometimes just made up lyrics.  John mentions this when telling George to keep going with "Something" and just sing "makes me feel like cauliflower" until something better comes to him.
 
2021-12-03 12:19:46 PM  
The best Beatles documentary will always be "Meet the Beat-Alls."
 
2021-12-03 12:23:30 PM  
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2021-12-03 12:24:42 PM  
Didn't Yoko have final approval on which footage Jackson was allowed to use?
 
2021-12-03 12:25:20 PM  
Great_Milenko:

To be fair Stevie Van Zandt can afford an underground Garage
 
2021-12-03 12:27:28 PM  

downstairs: Think of it this way... this is the kind of treasure streaming media is made for.  You have near infinite space for media.

Seeing that the original Let It Be movie was a major part of my growing up (I just adored the film, because there was nothing else)... yeah, I'm in the bag for this whole thing.

If someone on Jackson's team cut it down to a smaller size- as another version aside this 8 hour one- for casual fans, cool.  But this needs to exist for Beatles fans, and should!  Heck for the price of admission they should include the first edit (which was 18 hours I think?  So I heard.  From 50+ hours of source footage.)

If that's too much for causal fans, cool.  I would not watch 18 hours of Drake recording footage... but someone would so why not make it available?

I could geek out on this for hours.  Thank you $1.99 Disney+ trial offer plus OBS screen recorder ;)


Yeah, the length of this thing doesn't bother me at all. I actually think it's a strength.  A much more cut down tighter cut would just add more artificiality to it all.  And yeah, this really is only made possible because of streaming services.
 
2021-12-03 12:33:15 PM  

optikeye: Didn't Yoko have final approval on which footage Jackson was allowed to use?


That would certainly explain why her "singing" is featured multiple times.
 
2021-12-03 12:34:47 PM  

Krazikarl: EyeballKid: /My "local" independent radio station plays more Beatles than local artists.

It's hard enough to have a successful radio station, so why would you make it even harder by playing a bunch of stuff that nobody wants to hear?

I get that there's this romantic idea out there that what people *really* want hear to local artisanal stuff and that the big acts are only popular because payola.  But that's pure BS.  People overwhelmingly want to hear the big acts.  There's a small percentage of weirdos out there that are different, but its extremely difficult to run a radio station off of them.

I primarily listen to the local college station when I drive around.  The college kids choose to play more random stuff like 70s funk or Boomer stuff than local artists.  And that's not because music labels are running around bribing random college students.


THIS.

I worked in radio long enough to know for certain that the artisanal stuff will never pay the bills. And an "all Beatles, all the time" station would never make it off the ground. Sadly, radio really is a business above anything else so if you want to hear local-artist crap all the time just go buy their tapes so at least those artists can afford to eat supper a few times per week.
 
2021-12-03 12:41:47 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: Krazikarl: EyeballKid: /My "local" independent radio station plays more Beatles than local artists.

It's hard enough to have a successful radio station, so why would you make it even harder by playing a bunch of stuff that nobody wants to hear?

I get that there's this romantic idea out there that what people *really* want hear to local artisanal stuff and that the big acts are only popular because payola.  But that's pure BS.  People overwhelmingly want to hear the big acts.  There's a small percentage of weirdos out there that are different, but its extremely difficult to run a radio station off of them.

I primarily listen to the local college station when I drive around.  The college kids choose to play more random stuff like 70s funk or Boomer stuff than local artists.  And that's not because music labels are running around bribing random college students.

THIS.

I worked in radio long enough to know for certain that the artisanal stuff will never pay the bills. And an "all Beatles, all the time" station would never make it off the ground. Sadly, radio really is a business above anything else so if you want to hear local-artist crap all the time just go buy their tapes so at least those artists can afford to eat supper a few times per week.


Yep.

But when you are an independent station, you can program things like a "Hometown Lunch" program to give your local guys some exposure. It used to be a thing up until Clear Channel came along.
 
2021-12-03 12:45:49 PM  

downstairs: hoyt clagwell: On episode 2 now, and loving everything so far (except Disney+/- dying every few minutes).

Question:  The very first song at Twickenham is titled "On The Road To Marrakesh".  Huh?  It eventually morphs into "Jealous Guy" from Imagine and there is an early version of the song where John sings "On the road to Rishikesh".  Where did the Marrakesh come from?

Heh... I think they sometimes just made up lyrics.  John mentions this when telling George to keep going with "Something" and just sing "makes me feel like cauliflower" until something better comes to him.


The most (in)famous example of that was "Yesterday, all my troubles seem so far away" began life as "Scrambled eggs, oh my darling how I love your legs".
 
2021-12-03 12:48:19 PM  
Don't really care what Yoko Ono did or didn't do to the Beetles. However, I will never apologize to her fans for propping up such an untalented hack.
"Oh, it's Avant-garde"
No, it just sucks.  Screaming into a microphone is not talent.  It's torture worthy of prosecution at The Hague.
 
2021-12-03 12:53:24 PM  

jake_lex: downstairs: hoyt clagwell: On episode 2 now, and loving everything so far (except Disney+/- dying every few minutes).

Question:  The very first song at Twickenham is titled "On The Road To Marrakesh".  Huh?  It eventually morphs into "Jealous Guy" from Imagine and there is an early version of the song where John sings "On the road to Rishikesh".  Where did the Marrakesh come from?

Heh... I think they sometimes just made up lyrics.  John mentions this when telling George to keep going with "Something" and just sing "makes me feel like cauliflower" until something better comes to him.

The most (in)famous example of that was "Yesterday, all my troubles seem so far away" began life as "Scrambled eggs, oh my darling how I love your legs".


Yeah, the use of filler lyrics is just a good tool to establish a melody.
 
2021-12-03 12:53:42 PM  
Number 8!
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2021-12-03 1:00:49 PM  
Powerpuff Girls - Screaming Monkeys
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2021-12-03 1:01:07 PM  
I watched it all, and I found it a terrific way to demystify a band that always seemed far too hyped.  Seeing them struggle and occasionally persevere in creating art was worthwhile to anyone who has struggled to create something meaningful, as many of us have.  It was too long, but honestly even though Yoko wasn't nearly as much of a problem as has been suggested, Jackson totally glossed over the fact that she and John were shooting heroin during the recordings, and that other Beatles started inviting their families to the recordings completely in response to her presence.  Ironically, this created my favorite moment in the film, when Linda Eastman brings her daughter from a previous marriage, Heather, who is like 4, and Heather promptly starts mocking Yoko by screaming into a free microphone.  That was all-time awesome, and I never knew before that she gets a background sound credit on the album for messing around with Ringo's drunk kit during one of the takes.  Little moments like that make this film.

Billy Preston was a revelation as well, in fact I daresay he makes this album and Abbey Road possible just by showing up and becoming a 5th Beatle for their last two studio recordings.  Him jamming a Beatles song into a Martin Luther King tribute was amazing.

Paul broke up the band, clearly, but they were all headed in different directions anyway, with solo projects and RIngo's aborted movie career.  Leave Yoko alone, she was a sad outsider from the beginning to present day, and no one deserves that pariah status.
 
2021-12-03 1:01:25 PM  
You can "apologize" to Yoko all you want.  I don't think she broke up the Beatles and don't care.  I just hate her art and I'm annoyed that she gets exhibits because she dated John.
 
2021-12-03 1:01:46 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: Don't really care what Yoko Ono did or didn't do to the Beetles. However


jerryskid: I don't really have an opinion about her effect on the Beatles, but

Excellent
 
2021-12-03 1:02:38 PM  
*Ringo's drum kit!

Argh, but honestly they were all popping pills and drinking throughout, so it wasn't exactly wrong.
 
2021-12-03 1:04:15 PM  
Bovine Diarrhea Virus: Don't really care what Yoko Ono did or didn't do to the Beetles. However

jerryskid: I don't really have an opinion about her effect on the Beatles, but


Rapmaster2000: I don't think she broke up the Beatles and don't care.  I just


Very very nicely confessed
 
2021-12-03 1:04:44 PM  

downstairs: hoyt clagwell: On episode 2 now, and loving everything so far (except Disney+/- dying every few minutes).

Question:  The very first song at Twickenham is titled "On The Road To Marrakesh".  Huh?  It eventually morphs into "Jealous Guy" from Imagine and there is an early version of the song where John sings "On the road to Rishikesh".  Where did the Marrakesh come from?

Heh... I think they sometimes just made up lyrics.  John mentions this when telling George to keep going with "Something" and just sing "makes me feel like cauliflower" until something better comes to him.


I get that, but Rishikesh is where they all met Maharishi Mahesh Yogi so it makes sense John would sing about it.  I don't think this was making up lyrics so much as it was Jackson, et al, getting the title wrong.
 
2021-12-03 1:06:33 PM  
Honestly I started watching the first installment and the time just flew. There was something captivating about watching the process and the tensions within the band.
 
2021-12-03 1:06:37 PM  

Another Government Employee: MelGoesOnTour: Krazikarl: EyeballKid: /My "local" independent radio station plays more Beatles than local artists.

It's hard enough to have a successful radio station, so why would you make it even harder by playing a bunch of stuff that nobody wants to hear?

I get that there's this romantic idea out there that what people *really* want hear to local artisanal stuff and that the big acts are only popular because payola.  But that's pure BS.  People overwhelmingly want to hear the big acts.  There's a small percentage of weirdos out there that are different, but its extremely difficult to run a radio station off of them.

I primarily listen to the local college station when I drive around.  The college kids choose to play more random stuff like 70s funk or Boomer stuff than local artists.  And that's not because music labels are running around bribing random college students.

THIS.

I worked in radio long enough to know for certain that the artisanal stuff will never pay the bills. And an "all Beatles, all the time" station would never make it off the ground. Sadly, radio really is a business above anything else so if you want to hear local-artist crap all the time just go buy their tapes so at least those artists can afford to eat supper a few times per week.

Yep.

But when you are an independent station, you can program things like a "Hometown Lunch" program to give your local guys some exposure. It used to be a thing up until Clear Channel came along.


Agreed.
But don't EVEN get me started on Clear Channel (now known as I-Heart-Radio; they're not fooling anyone). CC and Jeff Pollack, back when he was a "consultant", changed the radio landscape and ruined radio for good as far as I see it.
Sure, there area few independent stations out there and whatnot and there might even be a number of stations that DO fill time-slots with local music but these days they are no longer common.
 
2021-12-03 1:06:57 PM  
Any editor strong enough to stand up to Peter Jackson would be fired. Jackson doesn't want an editor. He wants "more is always better."
 
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