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2021-12-03 8:28:59 AM  
Native Americans: uh yeah
 
2021-12-03 8:48:45 AM  
America's "heroes". Yeah, right.
 
2021-12-03 9:17:27 AM  
Guys who volunteer to go kill brown people might be racist?
 
2021-12-03 9:17:56 AM  
At this point the only thing that would surprise me would be if one of these institutions actually received a positive report on, well, just about any social issue.
 
2021-12-03 9:19:22 AM  
It can't possibly be more likely than I think because.infivure the probability is equal to or greater than 100%.
 
2021-12-03 9:19:43 AM  
Thumb typing is hard.
 
2021-12-03 9:20:07 AM  
Sherlock, his bowels impacted.
 
2021-12-03 9:20:35 AM  
Combat
Race
Theory
 
2021-12-03 9:20:51 AM  
How many more data points does Fark need before the audience here recognizes that they are in a rapidly dwindling minority of American citizens that do not want fascism?  The rest of this nation is cheerfully running headlong towards it, faster every day.
 
2021-12-03 9:20:58 AM  
I think it's 100% likely.
 
2021-12-03 9:21:53 AM  
I thought it was pretty likely.
 
2021-12-03 9:22:49 AM  
Is racism better or worse than the outright religious nutbaggery at the Air Force academy.

Or do the 2 go hand in  hand.
 
2021-12-03 9:25:34 AM  

Gubbo: Is racism better or worse than the outright religious nutbaggery at the Air Force academy.

Or do the 2 go hand in  hand.


Is there any religion without the concept of the "other, lesser, not in God's sight sort of people?"
 
2021-12-03 9:27:04 AM  
Ask Mike Reich.
 
2021-12-03 9:28:49 AM  
How do you get more likely than 100%?
 
2021-12-03 9:31:18 AM  
Military (and government jobs in particular) are some of the most egalitarian and colour-blind institutions in the country. While lefties like to make out the average GI as a bloodthirsty a-rab killers (ahem, lilplatinum), the fact of the matter is that you are more likely to find a minority in the military (63% of members) than in the general public (40% of the public.)

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So, while this kind of institutionalised racism is cause for concern and needs to be rooted out, it shouldn't be used as a cudgel against the entire military. In many ways, the military is a model for what corporate America should aspire to at least at the lower levels. They still struggle with getting minorities into leadership positions, but there are now diversity targets and "blind resumes" being instituted to eliminate built-in prejudice in promotion decisions.
 
2021-12-03 9:31:30 AM  
There is a vast history and tradition of racism in the United States.

Our military academies are vast repositories of American history and tradition.

Are we confused how these things combine?
 
2021-12-03 9:32:25 AM  
Obvious tag busy doing pushups?
 
2021-12-03 9:34:19 AM  

Shaggy_C: Military (and government jobs in particular) are some of the most egalitarian and colour-blind institutions in the country. While lefties like to make out the average GI as a bloodthirsty a-rab killers (ahem, lilplatinum), the fact of the matter is that you are more likely to find a minority in the military (63% of members) than in the general public (40% of the public.)

[pewresearch.org image 223x344]

So, while this kind of institutionalised racism is cause for concern and needs to be rooted out, it shouldn't be used as a cudgel against the entire military. In many ways, the military is a model for what corporate America should aspire to at least at the lower levels. They still struggle with getting minorities into leadership positions, but there are now diversity targets and "blind resumes" being instituted to eliminate built-in prejudice in promotion decisions.


This analysis could equally apply to a Mississippi plantation in 1880.

"They've made great strides in bringing minorities into their workforce but they still struggle to develop diversity in the overseer and leadership ranks of the plantation."
 
2021-12-03 9:35:14 AM  

Shaggy_C: Military (and government jobs in particular) are some of the most egalitarian and colour-blind institutions in the country. While lefties like to make out the average GI as a bloodthirsty a-rab killers (ahem, lilplatinum), the fact of the matter is that you are more likely to find a minority in the military (63% of members) than in the general public (40% of the public.)

[pewresearch.org image 223x344]

So, while this kind of institutionalised racism is cause for concern and needs to be rooted out, it shouldn't be used as a cudgel against the entire military. In many ways, the military is a model for what corporate America should aspire to at least at the lower levels. They still struggle with getting minorities into leadership positions, but there are now diversity targets and "blind resumes" being instituted to eliminate built-in prejudice in promotion decisions.


Fantastic mission statement. However the ranks are still a hive of villiany, bigotry, and racism.
 
2021-12-03 9:35:18 AM  

Gubbo: Is racism better or worse than the outright religious nutbaggery at the Air Force academy.

Or do the 2 go hand in  hand.


All part of the same effort.
 
2021-12-03 9:35:35 AM  

Shaggy_C: Military (and government jobs in particular) are some of the most egalitarian and colour-blind institutions in the country. While lefties like to make out the average GI as a bloodthirsty a-rab killers (ahem, lilplatinum), the fact of the matter is that you are more likely to find a minority in the military (63% of members) than in the general public (40% of the public.)

[pewresearch.org image 223x344]

So, while this kind of institutionalised racism is cause for concern and needs to be rooted out, it shouldn't be used as a cudgel against the entire military. In many ways, the military is a model for what corporate America should aspire to at least at the lower levels. They still struggle with getting minorities into leadership positions, but there are now diversity targets and "blind resumes" being instituted to eliminate built-in prejudice in promotion decisions.


Because it's you, and I know you're full of shiat. I'll engage once quickly.

Are you more likely to find these minorities at the military academies which will provide the future core of leadership to the military, or are they more likely to be enlisted men.
 
2021-12-03 9:36:45 AM  
Racism is farkin everywhere who's surprised
 
2021-12-03 9:38:05 AM  

JimmyTheHutt: How many more data points does Fark need before the audience here recognizes that they are in a rapidly dwindling minority of American citizens that do not want fascism?  The rest of this nation is cheerfully running headlong towards it, faster every day.


81 million Americans voted against Donald Trump.

Our government is set up in a stupid way, in which Wyoming's 14 people get as much representation in the Senate as 40 million Californians.  And in which a 7 million popular vote margin could be offset by a swing of like 50,000 votes in several key states. AND, thanks to nothing more than Senate rules, a minority of Senators, potentially representing a significant minority of Americans, can block legislation.

So, I'll agree that more and more Republican voters want fascism, but I don't think that the opposition is in the minority.  It's just the stupid form of government currently throws up more obstacles.
 
2021-12-03 9:38:41 AM  

JimmyTheHutt: How many more data points does Fark need before the audience here recognizes that they are in a rapidly dwindling minority of American citizens that do not want fascism?  The rest of this nation is cheerfully running headlong towards it, faster every day.


Yeah, the only question now is, what flavor of fascism do you want?

Spoiler: it's all boots in the end.
 
2021-12-03 9:39:03 AM  
The Military Academies, and the DoD as a whole, is reflective of the society its members are drawn from.

Remember that before you start taking your shots at military.
 
2021-12-03 9:39:07 AM  

wejash: This analysis could equally apply to a Mississippi plantation in 1880.

"They've made great strides in bringing minorities into their workforce but they still struggle to develop diversity in the overseer and leadership ranks of the plantation."


Is this a "Yet you participate in society!" argument? It's not perfect, so may as well be the 1800s!
 
2021-12-03 9:40:05 AM  

macadamnut: Gubbo: Is racism better or worse than the outright religious nutbaggery at the Air Force academy.

Or do the 2 go hand in  hand.

Is there any religion without the concept of the "other, lesser, not in God's sight sort of people?"


Most neo-pagans are pretty chill.  Some of the nutters are clogging up Asatru (Norse pagan branch) with their "Pure Race" BS - but the actual religion itself is accepting
 
2021-12-03 9:42:36 AM  

Gubbo: Shaggy_C: Military (and government jobs in particular) are some of the most egalitarian and colour-blind institutions in the country. While lefties like to make out the average GI as a bloodthirsty a-rab killers (ahem, lilplatinum), the fact of the matter is that you are more likely to find a minority in the military (63% of members) than in the general public (40% of the public.)

[pewresearch.org image 223x344]

So, while this kind of institutionalised racism is cause for concern and needs to be rooted out, it shouldn't be used as a cudgel against the entire military. In many ways, the military is a model for what corporate America should aspire to at least at the lower levels. They still struggle with getting minorities into leadership positions, but there are now diversity targets and "blind resumes" being instituted to eliminate built-in prejudice in promotion decisions.

Because it's you, and I know you're full of shiat. I'll engage once quickly.

Are you more likely to find these minorities at the military academies which will provide the future core of leadership to the military, or are they more likely to be enlisted men.


It's not exactly what you're asking but close, here's some numbers on enlisted vs officers:

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More: https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/demo​g​raphics-us-military
 
2021-12-03 9:44:48 AM  
Quite happy  to have been schooled in DOD schools, integrated students and teaching staff.  It was a real contrast with the deep south schooling at the time, as oppressive to whites as it was to blacks.

Maybe the academies should teach critical race theory when it comes to the history of wars and armies.  Certainly the Soviets had to deal with a heavy multiethnic population beyond having certain group who were to be the first sacrificed in any battle.  The Mongols had leaders from all conquered areas.

It would be a worthy subject to teach for its insight.
 
2021-12-03 9:45:44 AM  

Erek the Red: The Military Academies, and the DoD as a whole, is reflective of the society its members are drawn from.

Remember that before you start taking your shots at military.


The article makes the point that in fact they are not reflective of society.
 
2021-12-03 9:47:10 AM  

Gubbo: Are you more likely to find these minorities at the military academies which will provide the future core of leadership to the military, or are they more likely to be enlisted men.


Correct - and I mentioned this. The number of black generals (and, battalion commanders for that matter) versus the total are atrocious. Even more worrisome have been the few people of colour elevated to the 'middle management' level in the last few years. The general workforce (soldiers) are pretty well mixed, but the higher you go, the more white it gets, just like it does in corporate America.

There were a number of actions outlined for 2021 (PDF Warning) which should start to make some difference.
 
2021-12-03 9:50:30 AM  
No, I'm pretty sure it's just about as likely as I think. I grew up around a bunch of dumb chucklefarks that signed up because options for D students in the middle of bumfark are slim. I never was sure how many flunked out, some of these guys barely had the discipline to bathe. That might have been more likely than I think.

/Not saying there aren't some smart ones too, they aggressively went after anyone with a good GPA or SAT score and got a few of them too.
//Very aggressively.
 
2021-12-03 9:51:44 AM  
ToastmasterGeneral:

81 million Americans voted against Donald Trump.

Mostly because they didn't like the tone, not because they disagreed with the end goal.  If you want to see what they really want, look at the VA Governor's race.
We get exactly what we want.  And given the success of fascism at every level of government, right down to the local school boards, it isn't hard to see what the majority of Americans really want.
 
2021-12-03 9:52:42 AM  

Gubbo: Shaggy_C: Military (and government jobs in particular) are some of the most egalitarian and colour-blind institutions in the country. While lefties like to make out the average GI as a bloodthirsty a-rab killers (ahem, lilplatinum), the fact of the matter is that you are more likely to find a minority in the military (63% of members) than in the general public (40% of the public.)

[pewresearch.org image 223x344]

So, while this kind of institutionalised racism is cause for concern and needs to be rooted out, it shouldn't be used as a cudgel against the entire military. In many ways, the military is a model for what corporate America should aspire to at least at the lower levels. They still struggle with getting minorities into leadership positions, but there are now diversity targets and "blind resumes" being instituted to eliminate built-in prejudice in promotion decisions.

Because it's you, and I know you're full of shiat. I'll engage once quickly.

Are you more likely to find these minorities at the military academies which will provide the future core of leadership to the military, or are they more likely to be enlisted men.


Came here to say this.

The military may well be.

Military ACADEMIES are not and never have been.

Military academies only recognize one color, green.
 
2021-12-03 9:59:40 AM  

Shaggy_C: Military (and government jobs in particular) are some of the most egalitarian and colour-blind institutions in the country. While lefties like to make out the average GI as a bloodthirsty a-rab killers (ahem, lilplatinum), the fact of the matter is that you are more likely to find a minority in the military (63% of members) than in the general public (40% of the public.)

[pewresearch.org image 223x344]

So, while this kind of institutionalised racism is cause for concern and needs to be rooted out, it shouldn't be used as a cudgel against the entire military. In many ways, the military is a model for what corporate America should aspire to at least at the lower levels. They still struggle with getting minorities into leadership positions, but there are now diversity targets and "blind resumes" being instituted to eliminate built-in prejudice in promotion decisions.


Calling me a lefty is pretty amusing.  But enjoy the taste of boot polish.
 
2021-12-03 10:07:37 AM  
The article is kind of stupid and is overly fixated on Lee.

Sorry, but Lee was one of West Point's most prestigious and successful graduates. Graduated top of his class and served as an exceptional officer for 32 years. He also successfully led an inferior military force in the field for five year and held off a much more powerful adversary. He was an outstanding general and the civil war would have been much more of a blip if he DIDN'T support the decision of his home state to secede and join their military. While Lee does NOT belong on top of monuments across the country I would argue that he does belong in West Point. However the observation that the only black man in a painting at West Point was a slave is terrible. They should get right on that.
 
2021-12-03 10:14:13 AM  
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West Point:  We've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing.
 
2021-12-03 10:25:02 AM  
It blows my mind that West Point would have anything commemorating the Confederacy considering what Jefferson Davis did while at school there.
 
2021-12-03 10:26:59 AM  

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West Point:  We've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing.


Coke execs must have been having a heart attack, sponsoring that section of the stands.

"Have a Coke and a sign"
 
2021-12-03 10:27:41 AM  
The story was actually worst than I thought, not in terms of the racism, but in terms of the sudden shift towards Korea extremist recruits and the fact that leadership seems to be doing less than nothing about this.

Their loyalty is not to country or service but to an ideology of hate. The alt right has found how to flourish, by infiltrating police, military, and slowly creeping into political leadership.

And America is gonna burn.
 
2021-12-03 10:32:43 AM  

Shaggy_C: Military (and government jobs in particular) are some of the most egalitarian and colour-blind institutions in the country. While lefties like to make out the average GI as a bloodthirsty a-rab killers (ahem, lilplatinum), the fact of the matter is that you are more likely to find a minority in the military (63% of members) than in the general public (40% of the public.)

[pewresearch.org image 223x344]

So, while this kind of institutionalised racism is cause for concern and needs to be rooted out, it shouldn't be used as a cudgel against the entire military. In many ways, the military is a model for what corporate America should aspire to at least at the lower levels. They still struggle with getting minorities into leadership positions, but there are now diversity targets and "blind resumes" being instituted to eliminate built-in prejudice in promotion decisions.


We have blind resumes at my company and it works pretty well. We even do it for promotions where you have a committee of people that never met you look over your work with your name removed from everything. Our leadership is pretty diverse.

My last company had diversity quotas and it backfired terribly.  Some people were obviously hired  / promoted based solely on skin color and those that were actually qualified had to deal with the stigma of being a diversity hire. As a result, most diversity hires lasted about 6 months. Now leadership is entirely Indian with one Latino.

I guess it comes down to the company goals. Do you want diversity and equity or do you want a spreadsheet of checked boxes?
 
2021-12-03 10:34:50 AM  

JimmyTheHutt: ToastmasterGeneral:

81 million Americans voted against Donald Trump.

Mostly because they didn't like the tone, not because they disagreed with the end goal.  If you want to see what they really want, look at the VA Governor's race.
We get exactly what we want.  And given the success of fascism at every level of government, right down to the local school boards, it isn't hard to see what the majority of Americans really want.


I have lived in Virginia for more than 40 years.  Your analysis on the gubernatorial race is not accurate.

In reality, Virginia has been trending Democratic for the past decade.  With HUGE votes against Republicans during the Trump years.  Not just on the national tone.  If that were the case, 2019's state elections would not have been a Republican bloodbath, yet that's what they were.

2021 wasn't Virginia voters saying that without the outward ugliness of Trump, they're ok with the more authoritarian GOP bend. Both of Obama's win totals in Virginia were significantly higher than Youngkin's 2021 total (with a larger electorate) so it's not just an anti-Trump vibe.   2021 was an energized Republican base, and hundreds of thousands of potential Democratic voters who were fatigued after voting in significant numbers over the past 4 elections and who were looking at a mediocre candidate in McAuliffe.

Looking at the public polls on vaccine mandates, etc. I don't think it's fair to say that those in opposition are shrinking.  I'm not saying there isn't SIGNIFICANT danger - because there is.  The way our national system is set up, a minority can absolutely cause damaging problems.
 
2021-12-03 10:37:10 AM  
/CSB
Back in HS in the early 90s I was on my way to the Air Force Academy.  I had the grades, the extra curriculars, and even a recommendation from Montana's only state rep.

Then a retinal injury suffered during football practice ended that plan.  I'm thankful every day that happened.  We've found out in the last few decades that the AFA is riddled with racism and sexism...and I would've been in Colorado Springs, the place in CO where people who hate CO live. ;)
 
2021-12-03 10:44:31 AM  

Jumpthruhoops: Shaggy_C: Military (and government jobs in particular) are some of the most egalitarian and colour-blind institutions in the country. While lefties like to make out the average GI as a bloodthirsty a-rab killers (ahem, lilplatinum), the fact of the matter is that you are more likely to find a minority in the military (63% of members) than in the general public (40% of the public.)

[pewresearch.org image 223x344]

So, while this kind of institutionalised racism is cause for concern and needs to be rooted out, it shouldn't be used as a cudgel against the entire military. In many ways, the military is a model for what corporate America should aspire to at least at the lower levels. They still struggle with getting minorities into leadership positions, but there are now diversity targets and "blind resumes" being instituted to eliminate built-in prejudice in promotion decisions.

We have blind resumes at my company and it works pretty well. We even do it for promotions where you have a committee of people that never met you look over your work with your name removed from everything. Our leadership is pretty diverse.

My last company had diversity quotas and it backfired terribly.  Some people were obviously hired  / promoted based solely on skin color and those that were actually qualified had to deal with the stigma of being a diversity hire. As a result, most diversity hires lasted about 6 months. Now leadership is entirely Indian with one Latino.

I guess it comes down to the company goals. Do you want diversity and equity or do you want a spreadsheet of checked boxes?


I got a call from a VA loan officer.  Someone wanted to buy a single-family home in a common interest community, technically making the home a condo.  She said, "We can't issue a loan on a condo unless at least 50% of the units have been sold, indicating that it is a stable community and less of a risk.  This community has sold less than 50% of the units, but if you can divide it into two phases with my client's home in the phase containing at least 50% sold, I can issue the loan."  I sat there speechless for a moment while I processed that, and then I let loose on her.  "Lady, you want me to force the developer to submit an application to my commission, pay $210, wait a month, and waste my commission and my staff's time to put an artificial boundary on a map that changes absolutely nothing so you can check a box on your ridiculous paperwork?"  {silence}  She issued the loan.
 
2021-12-03 10:48:32 AM  

Jumpthruhoops: Shaggy_C: Military (and government jobs in particular) are some of the most egalitarian and colour-blind institutions in the country. While lefties like to make out the average GI as a bloodthirsty a-rab killers (ahem, lilplatinum), the fact of the matter is that you are more likely to find a minority in the military (63% of members) than in the general public (40% of the public.)

[pewresearch.org image 223x344]

So, while this kind of institutionalised racism is cause for concern and needs to be rooted out, it shouldn't be used as a cudgel against the entire military. In many ways, the military is a model for what corporate America should aspire to at least at the lower levels. They still struggle with getting minorities into leadership positions, but there are now diversity targets and "blind resumes" being instituted to eliminate built-in prejudice in promotion decisions.

We have blind resumes at my company and it works pretty well. We even do it for promotions where you have a committee of people that never met you look over your work with your name removed from everything. Our leadership is pretty diverse.

My last company had diversity quotas and it backfired terribly.  Some people were obviously hired  / promoted based solely on skin color and those that were actually qualified had to deal with the stigma of being a diversity hire. As a result, most diversity hires lasted about 6 months. Now leadership is entirely Indian with one Latino.

I guess it comes down to the company goals. Do you want diversity and equity or do you want a spreadsheet of checked boxes?


A distressing amount of places across a range of contexts (bussnes, government, acedemic) only care about statistics and check marks.

It takes work abd leadship to care about actual outcomes.
 
2021-12-03 10:49:40 AM  

chawco: Jumpthruhoops: Shaggy_C: Military (and government jobs in particular) are some of the most egalitarian and colour-blind institutions in the country. While lefties like to make out the average GI as a bloodthirsty a-rab killers (ahem, lilplatinum), the fact of the matter is that you are more likely to find a minority in the military (63% of members) than in the general public (40% of the public.)

[pewresearch.org image 223x344]

So, while this kind of institutionalised racism is cause for concern and needs to be rooted out, it shouldn't be used as a cudgel against the entire military. In many ways, the military is a model for what corporate America should aspire to at least at the lower levels. They still struggle with getting minorities into leadership positions, but there are now diversity targets and "blind resumes" being instituted to eliminate built-in prejudice in promotion decisions.

We have blind resumes at my company and it works pretty well. We even do it for promotions where you have a committee of people that never met you look over your work with your name removed from everything. Our leadership is pretty diverse.

My last company had diversity quotas and it backfired terribly.  Some people were obviously hired  / promoted based solely on skin color and those that were actually qualified had to deal with the stigma of being a diversity hire. As a result, most diversity hires lasted about 6 months. Now leadership is entirely Indian with one Latino.

I guess it comes down to the company goals. Do you want diversity and equity or do you want a spreadsheet of checked boxes?

A distressing amount of places across a range of contexts (bussnes, government, acedemic) only care about statistics and check marks.

It takes work abd leadship to care about actual outcomes.


I work in a place where one checkbox question is "has the client approved this" and another is "have you completed this checklist prior to sending to the client".

Ticking boxes is the most important thing.
 
2021-12-03 10:53:46 AM  
I feel so validated and sad by these responses.
 
2021-12-03 10:54:52 AM  

Gubbo: chawco: Jumpthruhoops: Shaggy_C: Military (and government jobs in particular) are some of the most egalitarian and colour-blind institutions in the country. While lefties like to make out the average GI as a bloodthirsty a-rab killers (ahem, lilplatinum), the fact of the matter is that you are more likely to find a minority in the military (63% of members) than in the general public (40% of the public.)

[pewresearch.org image 223x344]

So, while this kind of institutionalised racism is cause for concern and needs to be rooted out, it shouldn't be used as a cudgel against the entire military. In many ways, the military is a model for what corporate America should aspire to at least at the lower levels. They still struggle with getting minorities into leadership positions, but there are now diversity targets and "blind resumes" being instituted to eliminate built-in prejudice in promotion decisions.

We have blind resumes at my company and it works pretty well. We even do it for promotions where you have a committee of people that never met you look over your work with your name removed from everything. Our leadership is pretty diverse.

My last company had diversity quotas and it backfired terribly.  Some people were obviously hired  / promoted based solely on skin color and those that were actually qualified had to deal with the stigma of being a diversity hire. As a result, most diversity hires lasted about 6 months. Now leadership is entirely Indian with one Latino.

I guess it comes down to the company goals. Do you want diversity and equity or do you want a spreadsheet of checked boxes?

A distressing amount of places across a range of contexts (bussnes, government, acedemic) only care about statistics and check marks.

It takes work abd leadship to care about actual outcomes.

I work in a place where one checkbox question is "has the client approved this" and another is "have you completed this checklist prior to sending to the client".

Ticking boxes is the most important thing.


I'm actually lucky tomwork at a place that cares about more than check boxes as far as diversity and inclusive types goes, but there is still a stupid number of.places where they jsut want a check because it makes the admin look good. The level of bureaucracy has grown in leaps and bounds.
 
2021-12-03 10:56:33 AM  

madgonad: He also successfully led an inferior military force in the field for five year and held off a much more powerful adversary.


I'd argue that's overselling the US military at the time of the start of the war.

A huge proportion of the officer corps were Southern and left at the start of the war, and the Union was dealing with a long string of worthless commanders really for the first two years. The one thing the Union had was money, reflected in manpower and materiel. However, they were lions led by donkeys.

It's only 1863 where we start to see really good Union leadership, and even then it required heroic efforts on the part of some individual units to carry the day; witness the 20th Maine at Gettysburg, for example.

Competent leadership in 1861 could have finished the war much more quickly.
 
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